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2012-03-06 08:50:40 AM  
Not particularly surprising that the average person is vastly outnumbered, but looking at the bit on how just the pharmaceutical lobbyists alone have legislators outnumbered 2:1 is really disturbing. They're like locusts eating the fields.
 
2012-03-06 09:02:07 AM  
You're telling me that the government is operated for the benefit of large businesses and the well connected instead of the American people?

get outta here!
 
2012-03-06 09:09:36 AM  
All of the little troll faces in the margins of the graphic made me laugh
 
2012-03-06 09:32:33 AM  
Heh, that was good.
 
2012-03-06 09:32:55 AM  
This is overly simplistic, but more people need to get a handle on special interest groups, lobbying, ideological motivations and $ and how it works on out political situation. Theres too much talk on people trying to "boil down" what is a complex interaction.

At any rate, its funny and accessible. Work on the content some more.
 
2012-03-06 09:38:34 AM  
static.happyplace.com
It's funny because it's true?
 
2012-03-06 10:02:32 AM  
Is there a more scumbag farking occupation than a lobbyist? They make Mexican drug cartel lords look like volunterrs for Habitats for Humanity.
 
2012-03-06 10:12:41 AM  
Wow, it must really suck to be a politician. Hated by the public and owned by the lobbyists. Why would anybody want to go into politics? Oh yeah, because the perks are sweet.
 
2012-03-06 10:17:41 AM  

Via Infinito: Wow, it must really suck to be a politician. Hated by the public and owned by the lobbyists. Why would anybody want to go into politics? Oh yeah, because the perks are sweet.


That article pretty much explains why politicians spend millions obtaining a job that pays a fraction of that.
 
2012-03-06 10:20:05 AM  
Does anyone not know this? The only thing lacking is any actual plan to change the entrenched system.
 
2012-03-06 10:20:58 AM  
Yes. And?

This is why I have been saying that nothing short of an armed rebellion is going to really change things. It is utterly corrupt, and we've allowed them to draft laws to make it utterly legal. They have complete control and they are not going to give it up.

Welcome to the future, William Gibson and Phillip K. Dick called it.

/Actually several scifi authors called it before them, but they just made it a popular.
 
2012-03-06 10:22:01 AM  

TsarTom: [static.happyplace.com image 550x752]
It's funny because it's true?


Oh god, that's so fantastic.
 
2012-03-06 10:22:09 AM  
This is why term limits will make a bad situation worse. You guarantee a novice legislature whie lobbyists and civil servants have tenure.

You wouldn't fly an airline where the maximum pilot seniority and experience is 8 years would you?
 
2012-03-06 10:23:38 AM  

lohphat: This is why term limits will make a bad situation worse. You guarantee a novice legislature whie lobbyists and civil servants have tenure.

You wouldn't fly an airline where the maximum pilot seniority and experience is 8 years would you?


That has nothing to do with what is really happening and what the real problem is.
 
2012-03-06 10:23:57 AM  
That would be much improved if not for the multiple recurrences of "Congress Critter", besides that it's a pretty good take on that mess in DC.
 
2012-03-06 10:24:24 AM  
Very occasionally, one will see a porn clip in which some degrading, messy act is being performed and the simulated ecstacy of the receiving end of the degrading act is replaced by a look of horror, just for a second, that reveals all the abusive steps that led from an innocent child to "cum dumpster".

This is like that.
 
2012-03-06 10:24:36 AM  
That was nicely presented.
 
2012-03-06 10:25:01 AM  

ichiban: Does anyone not know this? The only thing lacking is any actual plan to change the entrenched system.


I think the thing is people don't know how very real it is. I know I've talked to a lot of people who were floored to realize that DC is completely corrupt when faced with actual data and facts. It's one thing to joke about it on late night television, its another to actually see it. makes it more real.
 
2012-03-06 10:25:08 AM  

TsarTom: [static.happyplace.com image 550x752]
It's funny because it's true?


Not quote. Step three should be, "Rich White Person has lobbyist write bill for them and give to representative."

Most bills these days are written by lobbyists.
 
2012-03-06 10:25:16 AM  

lohphat: This is why term limits will make a bad situation worse. You guarantee a novice legislature whie lobbyists and civil servants have tenure.


And it makes getting your name out much more important while simultaneously taking away many traditional forms of fundraising - people don't know who you are if you're a new guy, so why would they donate to you? It would do nothing but increase corporate whoring for the chance to make it big.
 
2012-03-06 10:25:52 AM  
OK, the Dwayne graphic made me flaugh.

/flatulent laugh
 
2012-03-06 10:26:20 AM  
kil the white man. kill de ;landlord
 
2012-03-06 10:29:12 AM  
live by expanded government powers and taxation, die by expanded government powers and taxation.

/you made your bed libs
//now you have to lie in it
 
2012-03-06 10:29:34 AM  
Ya... Politics is the way we are going to fix things????? LOL

How can anyone really question that big money runs this country (and probably a few others...)?
 
2012-03-06 10:30:58 AM  
You folks who claim that the system is unfixably corrupt are terrible.

Lobbyists are influential because they are literally on top of legislative business EVERY DAY.

Anyone can be a lobbyist if they take the time to get involved. If you don't have the time, then donate some your money to a group that lobbies on your behalf.

Even if you can't match the big corporations in spending, you can overpower them with an army of volunteers, angry petitions, and numbers. Legislators always care when a big group of angry people from their district start making a bunch of demands. Voting is the absolute minimum as far as responsible citizenship is concerned. Coporate lobbyists would not be so if Americans were more involved in the affairs of their state and congressional legislators.
 
2012-03-06 10:31:13 AM  
Oh come off it. It's nothing a few high-profile assassinations of key lobbyist figures wouldn't solve.

Not that we would endorse that sort of thing.

Ever.

/we know you're watching us, FBI
 
2012-03-06 10:31:26 AM  

beta_plus: live by expanded government powers and taxation, die by expanded government powers and taxation.

/you made your bed libs
//now you have to lie in it


RTFA.

Nothing to do with expanded government, you neocon twit.
 
2012-03-06 10:32:05 AM  
Christ, are people just waking up to this?
 
2012-03-06 10:32:09 AM  

beta_plus: live by expanded government powers and taxation, die by expanded government powers and taxation.

/you made your bed libs
//now you have to lie in it


Came for partisan upchuckery.
Leaving smug.
 
2012-03-06 10:33:00 AM  
Rampant cynicism will solve our political problems!
 
2012-03-06 10:33:22 AM  

Valiente: Very occasionally, one will see a porn clip in which some degrading, messy act is being performed and the simulated ecstacy of the receiving end of the degrading act is replaced by a look of horror, just for a second, that reveals all the abusive steps that led from an innocent child to "cum dumpster".

This is like that.


There's usually one such moment in most videos. That crushing defeat is what I search for. Not the other falseness of those videos.

That and boobies.

/ and that is why amateur is better
\ I've said too much
 
2012-03-06 10:34:08 AM  
is this really news? Our laws come from corporations and special int. groups like the NRA and MADD? I am shocked. How did this happen?
 
2012-03-06 10:34:30 AM  
Solution to lobbying power? Hard term limits on all elected positions. When there are no more career politicians, buying one will be at least considerably more difficult (it will also give a fighting chance for a lobby controlling act to pass).
 
2012-03-06 10:34:38 AM  

ichiban: Does anyone not know this? The only thing lacking is any actual plan to change the entrenched system.


Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


Would you like to know more? (new window)
 
2012-03-06 10:35:14 AM  

beta_plus: live by expanded government powers and taxation, die by expanded government powers and taxation.

/you made your bed libs
//now you have to lie in it


That made absolutely no sense on any conceivable level.
 
2012-03-06 10:35:53 AM  

lohphat: This is why term limits will make a bad situation worse. You guarantee a novice legislature whie lobbyists and civil servants have tenure.

You wouldn't fly an airline where the maximum pilot seniority and experience is 8 years would you?


Experience is desirable if you are flying a plane. Experience is the last thing that I want in my elected officials, because it means they have been part of the system for a longer period of time and are more likely corrupted by it at that point.

/Crappy analogy is crappy.
 
2012-03-06 10:36:59 AM  

SandmanEsq: When there are no more career politicians, buying one will be at least considerably more difficult (it will also give a fighting chance for a lobby controlling act to pass).


If you want to get into politics, what's more important? Connections and money, or having good ideas?
 
2012-03-06 10:37:38 AM  
The solution is to kill lobbyists. I don't care what they advocate, anyone who has any contact with a politician of any level who isn't another politician should be killed. They should not even be allowed to speak with their own families. Upon leaving office, all politicians are to be killed. If no one runs for office, a random citizen will be forcibly appointed. If they refuse to serve, they are killed.

Problem solved.
 
2012-03-06 10:38:02 AM  

SandmanEsq: Solution to lobbying power? Hard term limits on all elected positions. When there are no more career politicians, buying one will be at least considerably more difficult (it will also give a fighting chance for a lobby controlling act to pass).GET MORE INVOLVED IN LEGISLATIVE BUSINESS BY VOLUNTEERING FOR A FRIENDLY PAC, DONATING TO A PAC, WRITING LETTERS, CALLING YOUR LEGISLATOR AND ORGANIZING PEOPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY TO DO THE SAME, farkTARDS

 
2012-03-06 10:38:12 AM  

Protricity: Rampant cynicism will solve our political problems!


I doubt it.
 
2012-03-06 10:39:01 AM  
If you work for the government as an elected official or civil servant, you cannot cross over and work for a lobbying firm or PAC when your tenure is over.

If you work for a lobbying firm or PAC, you cannot cross over and work for the government as an elected official or civil servant when your tenure is over.

If you work for the government as an elected official, you shall have all of your expenses paid for, but all of your public meetings with lobbyists shall be completely disclosed, and receiving a gift of any value from a lobbyist shall be defined as a felony and grounds for impeachment from office.

All election campaign funds shall be maintained in blind trusts to prevent elected officials from knowing who donated to their cause.

Watch the problem disappear overnight.
 
2012-03-06 10:39:33 AM  

Farkn Yaj Yenrac: That would be much improved if not for the multiple recurrences of "Congress Critter", besides that it's a pretty good take on that mess in DC.


Wholeheartedly agree. Used even once, that makes me cringe.
 
2012-03-06 10:39:51 AM  
Don't vote for people who take bribes (see lobbyists for money).

Don't vote for people with powerful corporate connections.

Otherwise, yeah, we're gonna get screwed a lot.
 
2012-03-06 10:39:55 AM  

wedun: SandmanEsq: Solution to lobbying power? Hard term limits on all elected positions. When there are no more career politicians, buying one will be at least considerably more difficult (it will also give a fighting chance for a lobby controlling act to pass).GET MORE INVOLVED IN LEGISLATIVE BUSINESS BY VOLUNTEERING FOR A FRIENDLY PAC, DONATING TO A PAC, WRITING LETTERS, CALLING YOUR LEGISLATOR AND ORGANIZING PEOPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY TO DO THE SAME, farkTARDS


So, basically, by becoming a lobbyist. Got it.
 
2012-03-06 10:40:22 AM  

ichiban: Does anyone not know this? The only thing lacking is any actual plan to change the entrenched system.


Destroy the federal budgets and return power back to the states, constitutional amendment for an incredibly simple tax code. It certainly won't end lobbying, but in the current system the lobbyists need to be basically in one spot for all the power/purse-holders. Forcing them to do it at the state level means they'll be much less efficient in their efforts and you will be geographically closer to the people making the decisions that affect you.
 
2012-03-06 10:40:25 AM  
 
2012-03-06 10:41:24 AM  

Serious Black: If you work for the government as an elected official or civil servant, you cannot cross over and work for a lobbying firm or PAC when your tenure is over.

If you work for a lobbying firm or PAC, you cannot cross over and work for the government as an elected official or civil servant when your tenure is over.

If you work for the government as an elected official, you shall have all of your expenses paid for, but all of your public meetings with lobbyists shall be completely disclosed, and receiving a gift of any value from a lobbyist shall be defined as a felony and grounds for impeachment from office.

All election campaign funds shall be maintained in blind trusts to prevent elected officials from knowing who donated to their cause.

Watch the problem disappear overnight.


boom! goes the dynamite
 
2012-03-06 10:41:29 AM  

wedun: Anyone can be a lobbyist if they take the time to get involved. If you don't have the time, then donate some your money to a group that lobbies on your behalf.


Effective lobbying = massive amounts of CASH.

Saying "anyone can be a lobbyists" is like saying "Anyone can own the Bellagio Casino."

Even if you can't match the big corporations in spending, you can overpower them with an army of volunteers, angry petitions, and numbers. Legislators always care when a big group of angry people from their district start making a bunch of demands. Voting is the absolute minimum as far as responsible citizenship is concerned. Coporate lobbyists would not be so if Americans were more involved in the affairs of their state and congressional legislators.

We have an entrenched system in which lobbyists own the representatives and candidates of BOTH parties (at every level (city, state, and federal). And candidates who want to buck that system, like Buddy Roemer, are literary ignored off the political map and have not a chance in hell of being elected while the participating voters are distracted with political theatre of the church trying to invade the state.

And most legislation passed further entrenching them in power, the public never votes on.

Mr. Smith left Washington thirty years ago. Grow up.
 
2012-03-06 10:41:42 AM  

Danger Avoid Death: Protricity: Rampant cynicism will solve our political problems!

I doubt it.


I promise it will!

We're just not being jaded enough!
 
2012-03-06 10:42:00 AM  
But remember to vote in November! Make your voice heard! Your vote counts! Civic duty! Meaningless platitude!

The more I pay attention to this election, the more I think about just sitting the farking thing out.
 
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