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		Legalising gay marriage goes against natural law, says man who has spent most of his life in an organization that forbids its workers from having sexual relationships (telegraph.co.uk)		145
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hitlersbrain		2012-03-05 10:06:28 AM

Ooh, wicked burn subby!

macadamnut		2012-03-05 10:08:05 AM

Gay marriage is like slavery, Catholic leader says

So slavery is a sin? Since when?

Molavian		2012-03-05 10:08:27 AM

Hrmm. Leaving the weak to die goes with natural law, as does eating your opponent's offspring. I'm pretty sure we could work some rape into the equation, too.

Let's do it!

Lunaville		2012-03-05 10:09:31 AM

The Cardinal may not want the expected constraints of marriage and monogamy. Perhaps, he prefers a certain freedom to whore around.

macadamnut		2012-03-05 10:10:30 AM

Also, what a gay man's shoes may look like:

cache.boston.com

OlDood		2012-03-05 10:11:12 AM

Yeah, I was brought up a Cat Lick (a heathen now) but could never, ever fathom why or how a priest would be considered the most righteous source for marraige &/or child-rearing advice. Oops, maybe "rearing" is not a good choice of words there...

cynicalbastard		2012-03-05 10:11:22 AM

If gay marriage is like slavery, does that mean that historically the Church doesn't have much of a problem with it? Somebody help me here.
/bury me with my parka and mukluks
//between priests and politicians I won't be able to find a warm spot in hell

HailRobonia		2012-03-05 10:12:18 AM

The difference, of course, is that the Bible condemns homosexuality yet condones slavery.

pwhp_67		2012-03-05 10:13:04 AM

How farking dumb do you have to be to let celibate women-haters with a history of diddling little boys dictate to you who should and should not be allowed to marry? Or raise children? Or use birth control?

For f*cks sake people...

Satanic_Hamster		2012-03-05 10:13:09 AM

Wait. Doesn't the New Testament say that slavery is ok?

I'm getting mixed messages here.

Nurglitch		2012-03-05 10:14:24 AM

Wait, so it's okay to own a male slave so long as you don't marry him? Shweet!

ko_kyi		2012-03-05 10:14:29 AM

If history is any judge, there is no such thing as natural law.

Almost anything, under certain circumstances, has been A-OK sometime, somewhere, to some people.

BitwiseShift		2012-03-05 10:14:57 AM

Legalising gay marriage goes against natural law, says man who has spent most of his life in an organization that forbids its workers from having sexual relationships with adults.

Fixed it

Your Company's Computer Guy		2012-03-05 10:15:34 AM

pwhp_67: How farking dumb do you have to be to let celibate women-haters with a history of diddling little boys dictate to you who should and should not be allowed to marry? Or raise children? Or use birth control?

For f*cks sake people...

There is no thinking inside the god box!

Trance750		2012-03-05 10:16:41 AM

But having sexual relations with small boys, is a time-honored tradition.

Theaetetus		2012-03-05 10:16:57 AM

Responding to accusations that his speech was inflammatory, Cardinal Keith O'Brien stated: "This is changing the whole notion of what marriage and what a family is. It affects children who are born, who have a right to a mother and father. Because if gay couples marry, then suddenly children will be born from pods, or possibly via spores."
He continued, "the natural law teaching of what marriage is is quite simple. It is natural for a man and woman to be together for the procreation and education of children and for their own mutual love. And since gay couples can't adopt or raise children or love each other, marriage is unnatural for them."

Shrugging Atlas		2012-03-05 10:17:02 AM

This from the same organization that refused to acknowledge heliocentrism.

give me doughnuts		2012-03-05 10:17:55 AM

I think the English monarchy may have a bit of experience dealing with troublesome clergymen, and with breaking off relations with the Catholic church.

So how 'bout it, Liz?

HailRobonia		2012-03-05 10:18:56 AM

Shrugging Atlas: This from the same organization that refused to acknowledge heliocentrism.

That's because heliocentrism is just one tiny bit away from hellocentrism.

give me doughnuts		2012-03-05 10:20:06 AM

HailRobonia: Shrugging Atlas: This from the same organization that refused to acknowledge heliocentrism.

That's because heliocentrism is just one tiny bit away from hellocentrism.

Is that anything like Hello Cthulhu?

macadamnut		2012-03-05 10:20:10 AM

OlDood: could never, ever fathom why or how a priest would be considered the most righteous source for marraige &/or child-rearing advice.

That's what John Paul I said, too. Remember what happened to him?

UnrepentantApostate		2012-03-05 10:20:11 AM

Right, because slavery, an institution that inherently violates the most ardently held of our human rights, is just like letting two men or two women get hitched in a courthouse or sympathetic church.

/headdesk

orangehat		2012-03-05 10:20:43 AM

This from the world's largest organized crime syndicate.

Tiiba		2012-03-05 10:21:05 AM

Is he seriously saying that not being able to gay-marry is a right?

mongbiohazard		2012-03-05 10:21:15 AM

The interview, conducted by John Humphries, followed an article Cardinal O'Brien wrote for the Sunday Telegraph, in which he likened gay marriage to slavery.

So.... Then the church is OK with gay marriage then? Christianity is just fine with slavery: Ephesians 6:5

Even Jesus obviously approved of slavery, since he was OK with you beating your slaves. Luke 12:47-48

The christian bible is just FULL of approval of slavery. The bible is no special authority on morality. It's been through the advancement of the common philosophy of society itself that the church has been forced to accept changes in their morality. The bible is a terrible moral compass... rape, slavery, murder, genocide... all manner of nasty things are either approved of or even demanded by the christian deity in the bible itself.

The church has stood on the wrong side of history more than once before. This is another one of those times. If we didn't ignore the church from time to time we'd still have a far more barbaric society. Which of course begs the question.... why do we bother listening to the various churches at all?

Im_Gumby		2012-03-05 10:22:57 AM

Theaetetus: Responding to accusations that his speech was inflammatory, Cardinal Keith O'Brien stated: "This is changing the whole notion of what marriage and what a family is. It affects children who are born, who have a right to a mother and father. Because if gay couples marry, then suddenly children will be born from pods, or possibly via spores."
He continued, "the natural law teaching of what marriage is is quite simple. It is natural for a man and woman to be together for the procreation and education of children and for their own mutual love. And since gay couples can't adopt or raise children or love each other, marriage is unnatural for them."

What the fark is this?!
/I don't even...

maddogdelta		2012-03-05 10:24:57 AM

give me doughnuts: Is that anything like Hello Cthulhu?

I just had to google that...and voliois!
www.hello-cthulhu.com

Arkanaut		2012-03-05 10:27:34 AM

orangehat: This from the world's largest organized crime syndicate.

It's the world's stupidest crime syndicate. "Do what we say!" "Or else what?" "Or else... we punish you! After you're dead!"

Doubletwist-		2012-03-05 10:27:37 AM

"Claiming that someone else's marriage is against your religion is like being angry at someone for eating a donut because you're on a diet"

/Gratuitously stolen from the intarwebs...

generallyso		2012-03-05 10:27:59 AM

The "natural law of marriage" is that women are chattel with no rights and literally owned by their husbands. Been that way longer than the Catholic Church has existed but we seem to have abandoned that paradigm without protest from the Church. Strange.

Mnemia		2012-03-05 10:29:09 AM

ko_kyi: If history is any judge, there is no such thing as natural law.

Almost anything, under certain circumstances, has been A-OK sometime, somewhere, to some people.

"Natural law", in a Catholic context, is just a euphemism meaning "whatever the bishops and Pope say". It's not in any way connected to any rational notion of what's "natural".

biglot		2012-03-05 10:29:43 AM

Any Farkers live close by this guy? Stick a peep hole camera in this guy's water closet ... ?

vpb		2012-03-05 10:31:24 AM

I like small butts and I cannot lie,

CheekyMonkey		2012-03-05 10:33:43 AM

Doubletwist-: "Claiming that someone else's marriage is against your religion is like being angry at someone for eating a donut because you're on a diet"

/Gratuitously stolen from the intarwebs...

Makes perfect sense to me. My girlfriend keeps telling me that I need to stop buying ice cream, 'cause she needs to stop eating it.

\great headline, subby

formerfloozy		2012-03-05 10:34:21 AM

macadamnut: Also, what a gay man's shoes may look like:

Those...are...FABULOUS! They don't really match the dress, but it makes a bold statement nonetheless.

mongbiohazard		2012-03-05 10:35:12 AM

Arkanaut: orangehat: This from the world's largest organized crime syndicate.

It's the world's stupidest crime syndicate. "Do what we say!" "Or else what?" "Or else... we punish you! After you're dead!"

Yeah, see you SAY that... but it actually has proven to be an incredibly effective motivator of human beings, both for good and ill.

Koalaesq		2012-03-05 10:35:25 AM

generallyso: The "natural law of marriage" is that women are chattel with no rights and literally owned by their husbands. Been that way longer than the Catholic Church has existed but we seem to have abandoned that paradigm without protest from the Church. Strange.

Have you HEARD Rick Santorum recently?!

/ok, he's not 'The Church', but a lot of Church-going people agree with him.

Nurglitch		2012-03-05 10:37:37 AM

Shrugging Atlas: This from the same organization that refused to acknowledge heliocentrism.

Uh, what? The Catholic Church is notable for having adopted heliocentrism quite some time ago.

Incidentally, the problem wasn't heliocentrism, it was writing about it in a way that made the Pope look like a flat-earther that got Galileo into trouble.

Hmm. Got trolled. Ah well.

Tyrone Slothrop		2012-03-05 10:43:37 AM

Theaetetus: Responding to accusations that his speech was inflammatory, Cardinal Keith O'Brien stated: "This is changing the whole notion of what marriage and what a family is. It affects children who are born, who have a right to a mother and father. Because if gay couples marry, then suddenly children will be born from pods, or possibly via spores."
He continued, "the natural law teaching of what marriage is is quite simple. It is natural for a man and woman to be together for the procreation and education of children and for their own mutual love. And since gay couples can't adopt or raise children or love each other, marriage is unnatural for them."

That's from the Onion, right?

formerfloozy		2012-03-05 10:43:44 AM

give me doughnuts: HailRobonia: Shrugging Atlas: This from the same organization that refused to acknowledge heliocentrism.

That's because heliocentrism is just one tiny bit away from hellocentrism.

Is that anything like Hello Cthulhu?

I predict a new trend in Japan with Hello Cthulu backpacks and lunchboxes. Because nothing says cute like an Elder God that will drive you to madness with just a glimpse.

/also, because tentacles

Jon iz teh kewl		2012-03-05 10:44:32 AM

Attention idiots in Washington: illegal means "against the law". not "against Catholic law"

BenJammin		2012-03-05 10:50:36 AM

Cardinal Keith O'Brien said countries which legalise gay marriage are "shaming themselves" by going against the "natural law," and should not consider their actions "progress".

Cardinal Keity O'Brien, shame one you for such ignorance and bigotry! Religious tolerance is crumbling in civilized countries precisely because of men like you, who prance around naked in their invisible clothes.

indylaw		2012-03-05 10:52:50 AM

mongbiohazard: Even Jesus obviously approved of slavery, since he was OK with you beating your slaves. Luke 12:47-48

I suppose you've never heard of a parable, or a metaphor.

formerfloozy		2012-03-05 10:53:25 AM

Define "aberration," sir. Is that where you toture people for not believing the way you think they should? Or perhaps committing genocide because the savages that occupy the land you discovered don't follow your customs? Oh wait, maybe it's where you imprisoned girls in slave conditions for failing to conform to your notion of polite society? (I'll bypass the child rape, cuz Pope Joey Ratz says that it's all good now.) Yeah, it couldn't be all that. It's the ghey that makes the world an awful place to live.

bonefish		2012-03-05 10:54:07 AM

What happens to men who are sexually repressed by their job/religion? They prey on the young and weak.

Arkanaut		2012-03-05 10:56:02 AM

mongbiohazard: Arkanaut: orangehat: This from the world's largest organized crime syndicate.

It's the world's stupidest crime syndicate. "Do what we say!" "Or else what?" "Or else... we punish you! After you're dead!"

Yeah, see you SAY that... but it actually has proven to be an incredibly effective motivator of human beings, both for good and ill.

True, but IMO that has more to do with the political power of the church.

mongbiohazard		2012-03-05 10:59:46 AM

indylaw: I suppose you've never heard of a parable, or a metaphor.

Of course I have. I suppose you've never heard that slavery was very real in the time of Jesus.

Ephesians 6:5 - "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ,"

ReverendJasen		2012-03-05 11:01:08 AM

So he thinks homosexuals reproduce via pods and spores?
The Catholic church is using Body Snatchers as a reference for their position on gay marriage? Really?? Bloody hell.

Julieahni		2012-03-05 11:01:31 AM

Is the submitter American, British or Canadian? Can't tell from the headline.

czetie		2012-03-05 11:02:51 AM

Stolen shamelessly from the article's comments (not mine, wish it was):

In the words of Mark Twain, regarding the Church and slavery:

In all the ages the Roman Church has owned slaves, bought and sold slaves, authorized and encouraged her children to trade in them. Long after some Christian peoples had freed their slaves the Church still held on to hers. If any could know, to absolute certainty, that all this was right, and according to God's will and desire, surely it was she, since she was God's specially appointed representative in the earth and sole authorized and infallible expounder of his Bible. There were the texts; there was no mistaking their meaning; she was right, she was doing in this thing what the Bible had mapped out for her to do. So unassailable was her position that in all the centuries she had no word to say against human slavery. Yet now at last, in our immediate day, we hear a Pope saying slave trading is wrong, and we see him sending an expedition to Africa to stop it. The texts remain: it is the practice that has changed. Why? Because the world has corrected the Bible. The Church never corrects it; and also never fails to drop in at the tail of the procession - and take the credit of the correction. As she will presently do in this instance.

(emphasis added)

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