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(The Sun)   Jake Lloyd says he will never act again after his role in The Phantom Menace, just like subby is never going to sleep with a supermodel again   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 175
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2012-03-05 11:07:47 AM

salvador.hardin: Kids don't act. They don't know how to make character choices or what needs to be emphasized.


I think the biggest problem w/kids in movies is that writers don't know how to write for kids. They make them into tiny adults. The only movie that comes to mind where the kids acted like real kids was The Others. THAT'S how siblings act--they pick on each other, they're annoying, and they think they're invulnerable.

Lloyd's not at fault for The Phantom Menace because, as many have pointed out, Lucas sucks as a writer and director. But, if he was really as miserable as he says he was/is, he should have done what the girl who played Newt did in Aliens--move out of the country and never do another interview. He had more than enough money to do it.
 
2012-03-05 11:19:47 AM

brigid_fitch: I think the biggest problem w/kids in movies is that writers don't know how to write for kids. They make them into tiny adults. The only movie that comes to mind where the kids acted like real kids was The Others. THAT'S how siblings act--they pick on each other, they're annoying, and they think they're invulnerable


I don't know, I thought Jake sounded like a real kid. I think the problem was the opposite. He should have sounded like a kid with a preternatural mind, not just the typical kid you see at the grocery and want to wring his neck.
 
2012-03-05 11:44:24 AM

brigid_fitch: I think the biggest problem w/kids in movies is that writers don't know how to write for kids. They make them into tiny adults.


That wasn't the problem in The Phantom Menace. The problem is that a kid really doesn't have much to do in a trade dispute.

A proper kid's role would be something like Newt in Aliens -- they can be creative and surprisingly resourceful, but when genuinely threatened they're quiet and skittish. Lucas wanted to appeal to families so he wrote Anakin as someone who turned slavery*, space politics and a war into a personal playground. Which is fine IF the movie was really for kids, but that also means there isn't any tension for the overarching plot. A movie can't be a light-hearted adventure for kids AND a tense, violent political drama. Mash the two together and the first thing that goes is the tension.

*There are a gazillion different ways to trash TPM, but if there's one that Pinkett mentioned only in passing, it's that Anakin's enslavement really isn't portrayed as anything problematic. He looks healthy and well-fed. He gets to tinker with robots and race pods and make friends and basically do anything a kid would want to do. He doesn't even have to go to school! His only real problem is the stupid "bomb" plot device that prevents him from leaving, but from his point of view why would he?
 
2012-03-05 12:36:26 PM
I wish Henry Thomas, Rick Schroeder and Drew Barrymore could have taken this kid outside and curb stomped him. There are good child actors out there, and their performances can shape the success or failure of a movie. How Lloyd was even allowed back into a casting office after Jingle All The Way is beyond me.
 
2012-03-05 12:58:18 PM
#firstworldproblems
 
2012-03-05 02:11:24 PM

ArkAngel: chewielouie: Yippeeeeee!

That's totally wizard


Why does no one say "wizard" anymore?
 
2012-03-05 02:30:45 PM
Flint Ironstag
Makes you wonder why he still does some Conventions then.

Conventions are where washed up has beens who didn't invest their paychecks wisely go to leach a few desperate bucks off one time fans

See Wheaton
www.oreillynet.com
 
2012-03-05 02:53:23 PM
So anyways, I've been playing Knights of the Old Republic. I was unsure at first but now I realize it is probably one of the greatest video games I've ever played. I stayed up all last night amazed by this game. What's the report on the new MMO version?
 
2012-03-05 03:07:51 PM

medanzig: So anyways, I've been playing Knights of the Old Republic. I was unsure at first but now I realize it is probably one of the greatest video games I've ever played. I stayed up all last night amazed by this game. What's the report on the new MMO version?


Wow with lightsabers and no pandas.
 
2012-03-05 03:20:02 PM

roughridersfan: Big John's Breakfast Log: I seem to recall from the DVD extras that they showed some of the other kids' auditions. There was one dark-haired kid who seemed to have the chops. But George wanted a blonde kid with that Joey Lawrence "bowl" haircut. Should've went for the depth and the darkness instead of some Disney bullshiat. The Anakin character was insufferable and completely unsympathetic.

I remember a very blonde kid who appeared to be a bit older than Lloyd nailing the "Are you an angel?" scene for his screen test. The kid spoke really well and the words seemed to be orders of magnitude more natural than what came out of Jake Lloyd's mouth.

However, Lucas shrugged it off with a comment to the effect of "Some kids test well but don't do as well when the cameras are rolling." So, we ended up with Lloyd's sucky screen test (essentially the same as what you see in the movie) being the test that won him the role.


Justin Berfield and Michael Angarano auditioned for Anakin and got all the way to the final four or five. Justin went on to play Reese on Malcolm in the MIddle and Michael Angarano was the lead in Sky High and Forbidden Kingdom. Apparently, Haley Joel Osment also auditioned, but didn't make the final short list.

And Jake, I'm pretty sure the Phantom Menace ruined my childhood, too.

/35
 
2012-03-05 06:09:19 PM

OnlyM3: Conventions are where washed up has beens who didn't invest their paychecks wisely go to leach a few desperate bucks off one time fans


As someone who's helped organize conventions, including booking talent, I can tell you that is not always the case. I'd say it's

30% wash-ups
40% against their will but the studio is making them go in order to promote something
20% who love going and really appreciate the fans.
10% don't really know what to expect and walk a thin line between gracious & bemused.

Malcom McDowell is one of the 40% (an incredibly surly guy who does NOT like his sci-fi fans). Edward James Olmos & George Takei are in the 20% group. Gary Lockwood was definitely a wash-up & desperate for attention. Kristen Bauer never knew what hit her and was a consummate professional the entire time.

Worst guest I ever booked was Walter Koenig during his B5 run. Holy cats, he hates his fans.
Second worst was Claudia Christian, who had to be removed by security because she was drunk off her ass & threatening people w/knives from a dealer's table. But sober, she was nice enough.
 
2012-03-05 06:11:37 PM

brigid_fitch: Second worst was Claudia Christian, who had to be removed by security because she was drunk off her ass & threatening people w/knives from a dealer's table. But sober, she was nice enough.


I would have loved to have seen that.
 
2012-03-05 06:27:54 PM

brigid_fitch: Malcom McDowell is one of the 40% (an incredibly surly guy who does NOT like his sci-fi fans)


Yeah, I can see that. He probably sees himself as a serious actor and an entire generation (no pun intended) knows him as the guy who inadvertently killed Kirk.

Worst guest I ever booked was Walter Koenig during his B5 run. Holy cats, he hates his fans

That's weird. One would think he'd be in the desperate for attention category.

Second worst was Claudia Christian, who had to be removed by security because she was drunk off her ass & threatening people w/knives from a dealer's table.

I respect that.
 
2012-03-05 06:47:24 PM
brigid_fitch

OnlyM3: Conventions are where washed up has beens who didn't invest their paychecks wisely go to leach a few desperate bucks off one time fans

As someone who's helped organize conventions, including booking talent, I can tell you that is not always the case. I'd say it's

30% wash-ups
40% against their will but the studio is making them go in order to promote something
....

Interesting post (seriously) and I'm sure you're correct. I should have considered the number doing publicity for the studios.

I still however think the rest are just leaching. 20 bucks to put ink to a picture and act surly towards kids folks just seems like d-ckish behavior x10

// has watched to many youtube videos of TNG "stars" treating fans like cr-p.
 
2012-03-05 06:56:20 PM

brigid_fitch: OnlyM3: Conventions are where washed up has beens who didn't invest their paychecks wisely go to leach a few desperate bucks off one time fans

As someone who's helped organize conventions, including booking talent, I can tell you that is not always the case. I'd say it's

30% wash-ups
40% against their will but the studio is making them go in order to promote something
20% who love going and really appreciate the fans.
10% don't really know what to expect and walk a thin line between gracious & bemused.

Malcom McDowell is one of the 40% (an incredibly surly guy who does NOT like his sci-fi fans). Edward James Olmos & George Takei are in the 20% group. Gary Lockwood was definitely a wash-up & desperate for attention. Kristen Bauer never knew what hit her and was a consummate professional the entire time.

Worst guest I ever booked was Walter Koenig during his B5 run. Holy cats, he hates his fans.
Second worst was Claudia Christian, who had to be removed by security because she was drunk off her ass & threatening people w/knives from a dealer's table. But sober, she was nice enough.


Jesus. Exactly how hateful does Koenig have to be to make him a worse guest than the lady that tries to cut people?

/csb, btw
 
2012-03-05 06:57:55 PM

OnlyM3: // has watched to many youtube videos of TNG "stars" treating fans like cr-p.


Some of them are surprisingly awesome, though. (new window)
 
2012-03-05 07:20:26 PM

North_Central_Positronics: Tell ya what, Jakey: you give back all that money which you made (are making) and then we'll see if that tiny little violin is less loud. Otherwise, you just sound like a spoiled brat who doesn't understand how fame works.


Ah, Fark. I love the smell of judgementalism in the morning.

He was a kid when he got the role. It's a bit much to expect that a kid is going to be able to fully understand how invasive and stressful fame can be. It's a pretty safe bet to say that the sum of his thoughts, when he got the role, was "Yay! I'm going to be in Star Wars!"

I know we all hated the movie, but give the boy a break.
 
2012-03-05 10:07:27 PM
I actually went to school with the kid. Met him once when I didn't know who he was. The guy's a douche. One of those people that thinks he's smarter than everyone and always insults their intelligence but can't take criticism himself.

Funny story though. I saw him at lunch one day and this jock came up to him with an Anakin Skywalker figure and decapitated it in front of his face.

/You guys are welcome
 
2012-03-05 10:21:11 PM

AeAe: My life will be complete when Jake Lloyd kills himself.


Not cool.
 
2012-03-06 06:06:20 AM

OnlyM3: See Wheaton


Wheaton the moderately successful author and recurring character on Big Bang Theory?
 
2012-03-06 08:24:16 AM

doug1963aaa: AeAe: My life will be complete when Jake Lloyd George Lucas kills himself.

Not cool.


Better?
 
2012-03-06 01:52:15 PM

doug1963aaa: AeAe: My life will be complete when Jake Lloyd kills himself.

Not cool.


Oh calm down. I didn't mean it.
 
2012-03-06 10:40:53 PM
Cashing in on your extremely limited fan appeal by going to Star Wars conventions to charge Star Wars fans for your autograph, then taking the piss out of them for legitimately criticizing your laughably awful portrayal as child Darth?

DIAF twice, Jake. You'll never be cast in anything meaningful, because you were a shiat actor, not because Lucas brown-stamped you. Even Hayden got some terrible roles post-Darth Vader, and he was about as bad an actor as you.
 
2012-03-06 10:55:50 PM

OnlyM3: That said.. hey jake, if you want to distance yourself from the part, how about getting a different haircut than the one you had when you were eight.


He has thin hair, so I can sympathize. I've had thin hair my entire life, and there's not a whole lot you can do with it. It doesn't stick up if you cut it short, it just lays flat and lifeless against your head. If you want to do anything with it you have to involve a hair dryer, gel, three kinds of combs and a woman.

On the plus side, I'm in my early 40's and I haven't started losing it, so while most of my friends are learning to deal with thin hair, I have 4 decades of experience with it.

/the easiest thing to do with it is keep the haircut you had when you were eight.
//cries myself to sleep.
 
2012-03-07 01:23:57 AM
I may have gone to summer camp with this kid... pretty sure I did. Didn't know him though. Heard he got kicked out for causing so much trouble. Totally irrelevant but that's all I've got.
 
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