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(Huffington Post)   One out of every ten Wall Street employees is a psychopath, say researchers. The other nine know exactly what they're doing   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 67
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2012-03-04 02:09:47 PM
Anyone know what the percentage is for the regular population?
 
2012-03-04 02:10:30 PM
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One in nine now, the world just seems to open up and swallows them.
 
2012-03-04 02:20:58 PM
only?
 
2012-03-04 02:24:10 PM

cman: Anyone know what the percentage is for the regular population?


From what I've read it's about 1% of the general population. Robert Hare, a leading expert on psycopaths, has a few books out on the subject. There's also a good book by Jon Ronson called The Psycopath Test: A Journey Through the Madness Industry.
 
2012-03-04 03:08:33 PM
A Psychopath Walks Into A Room. Can You Tell? (new window)
"He admitted to many, many items on the checklist, but redefined them as leadership positives," he says. "So 'manipulation' was another way of saying 'leadership.' 'Grandiose sense of self worth' - which would have been a hard one for him to deny because he was standing underneath a giant oil painting of himself - was, you know, 'You've got to like yourself if you're going to be a success.'"
The guardian had published a nice long excerpt from [the aforementioned] Ronson book, but looks like they've taken it down.
 
2012-03-04 03:08:54 PM
I personally know a few of them. this is way too many. And all too often, they're in positions where they can affect your life .

fark YOU, and fark YOU, and especially YOU.
 
2012-03-04 03:26:05 PM
The other 9 pay the 10th to do it for them
 
2012-03-04 03:32:59 PM
What, you think psychopaths don't know exactly what they're doing, subby?
 
2012-03-04 03:49:38 PM

RexTalionis: What, you think psychopaths don't know exactly what they're doing, subby?


They don't care, they have no empathy. In fact, our species is made to work together, as survival technique. Psychopaths literally a threat to our society.
 
2012-03-04 03:51:36 PM
And when I say that- I mean the don't realize they are going against their own community.
 
2012-03-04 04:01:48 PM

Darth_Lukecash: RexTalionis: What, you think psychopaths don't know exactly what they're doing, subby?

They don't care, they have no empathy. In fact, our species is made to work together, as survival technique. Psychopaths literally a threat to our society.


Exactly. Psychopaths know what they're doing. They just don't care who they hurt while doing it.
 
2012-03-04 04:07:44 PM
Some psychologists have long claimed that the qualities that make for a high-achieving politician or stockbroker are also the same traits that psychopaths have in abundance.



kind of explains the success of Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich.
 
2012-03-04 05:27:15 PM
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2012-03-04 05:42:01 PM
That sounds pretty low.
 
2012-03-04 05:47:53 PM

calbert: [files.g4tv.com image 600x486]


Hahahahaha. Awesome.
 
2012-03-04 05:48:51 PM
Really interesting book:

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2012-03-04 05:55:34 PM
The other nine are sociopaths
 
2012-03-04 06:01:36 PM
i think you mean 9 out of 10.
 
2012-03-04 06:04:22 PM
Do you like Huey Lewis and The News?

Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost. He's been compared to Elvis Costello, but I think Huey has a far much more bitter, cynical sense of humor.

In '87, Huey released this, Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Hip to be Square", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself.
 
2012-03-04 06:07:50 PM
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old news
 
2012-03-04 06:09:35 PM
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2012-03-04 06:24:07 PM
So basically he read the work that showed that the majority of Fortune 500 CEO's were Psychopaths or Sociopaths and decided to take it down a level.
 
2012-03-04 06:27:52 PM

cman: Anyone know what the percentage is for the regular population?


Dr. Martha Stout, author of The Sociopath Next Door, suggests 4% of the general population has psychopathy.
 
2012-03-04 06:44:09 PM
Was the Obvious tag busy jumping from a building?
 
2012-03-04 06:46:52 PM
Anyone interested might want to check out a couple episodes of This American Life.

The Psychopath Test (new window)
Petty Tyrant (new window)

I especially recommend the second, as it's a truly fascinating case study about "a man who made himself feared and untouchable, in a place where no one thought to look for a tyrant."
 
2012-03-04 06:55:35 PM
Some psychologists have long claimed that the qualities that make for a high-achieving politician or stockbroker are also the same traits that psychopaths have in abundance.

Any [insert profession] come to mind?
 
2012-03-04 07:03:46 PM
Psychopath is a disconnection with human empathy.
Psychosis is a disconnection with reality.

Psychotic psychopaths (Buffalo Bill from "Silence of the Lambs") are extremely rare.

/Just being pedantic at subby's word choice
 
2012-03-04 07:07:17 PM
Came for the Patrick Bateman/American Psycho references, leaving satisfied.
 
2012-03-04 07:19:17 PM
Oh please that test is meaningless. If we are to believe that, I am a raging psychopath. DO I LOOK CRAZY?!?!?!?
 
2012-03-04 07:35:36 PM
A clinical psychopath is bright, gregarious and charming, writes DeCovny. He lies easily and often, and may have trouble feeling empathy for other people. He's probably also more willing to take dangerous risks -- either because he doesn't understand the consequences, or because he simply doesn't care.

I know a guy like this. He's married to a woman I know -- who refused to listen when I explained his personality. Shortly after the wedding -- rushed because she was PG, she showed up at my place and offered to pay me to hurt him -- BADLY.

The article is surprising, but then again, not so much when you think about it. After all we've known many a 1 percenter and politician who seem to get away with crap that most of us can't believe and folks let them keep on doing it.

I worked for a boss who was about as cutthroat as they come. He pulled everything, from harassing the employees, to cheating them on overtime and screwing them over with health insurance.

I guess we know where the 'it's just business' mentality came from -- nutcases.

I've only had two excellent bosses in my working career -- and one of them lost his business by being undercut by another guy who used insider information he wasn't supposed to have.

As for politics, I don't even want to start.

I did observe a 'public property' auction once -- you know, one of those things where they're required to post a public notice and hold it in public? (Usually the 'public' notice can be found posted in the boiler room or somewhere like that.) This auction was on the stairwell, with the buyer, a witness and another 'buyer' -- the latter not there to actually bid. A lot of real good seized property got sold that way by the Tax Collector.
 
2012-03-04 07:50:28 PM

Running Wild: Anyone interested might want to check out a couple episodes of This American Life.

The Psychopath Test (new window)
Petty Tyrant (new window)

I especially recommend the second, as it's a truly fascinating case study about "a man who made himself feared and untouchable, in a place where no one thought to look for a tyrant."


I was going to post links to both of those episodes. So, in absence of that, I'll just go with the time tested "THIS".
 
2012-03-04 08:02:43 PM
Late, but still wanna post....

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2012-03-04 08:03:07 PM

cman: Anyone know what the percentage is for the regular population?


About one in ten.
 
2012-03-04 08:08:36 PM
I think the United States has more psychopaths than the general population of several other 1st world countries (except Russia, but I wasn't sure if Russia is even a 1st world country, they probably aren't). I think it's due to our country having been started by convicts and religious zealots (both populations that have a higher than average concentration of psychopaths), and our free market zealotry which attracts them.
 
2012-03-04 08:26:06 PM
Well, the ethics taught in liberal arts programs like Great Books, History, Philosophy, etc., not only describe why psychopathy cannot be allowed to dominate decision making in politics, religion, and economics; those humanities programs also teach how to stop psychopaths and how to recognize and resist them when they begin to gain power.

However, social scientists are dickholes who ignore philosophy and arts that have practical uses. Psychopaths clearly recognize the power of these educational experiences and devalue them whenever they can. and so, hey, we cut budgets from the most important practical educations, and looks what happens: all hell breaks loose. And for some reason, we get studies like the one in the article, purporting to be some kind of newsflash...a 2300 year old newsflash... Goddam I hate the 21st century so much. Western civilization's institutions peaked in the 1700s (and for a brief moment in the USA around the civil rights movement, which was more literate than anyone ever). :(
 
2012-03-04 08:27:47 PM

Urbn: I think the United States has more psychopaths than the general population of several other 1st world countries (except Russia, but I wasn't sure if Russia is even a 1st world country, they probably aren't). I think it's due to our country having been started by convicts and religious zealots (both populations that have a higher than average concentration of psychopaths), and our free market zealotry which attracts them.


I remember reading (though not where) that highly individualistic societies have higher rates of psychopathy when compared to more communal ones.

Bootstrappiness breeds more psychopaths than socialism

/why yes, I am trolling a little
 
2012-03-04 09:11:00 PM

Urbn: I think the United States has more psychopaths than the general population of several other 1st world countries (except Russia, but I wasn't sure if Russia is even a 1st world country, they probably aren't). I think it's due to our country having been started by convicts and religious zealots (both populations that have a higher than average concentration of psychopaths), and our free market zealotry which attracts them.


Russia is a second-world country. If I remember correctly, the term "first-world" and it's relatives comes from the cold war, and were created by the United States as propaganda. "First-world" was defined as "The United States, and its allies." "Second-world" was defined as "The Soviet Union and its alles." "Third-world" was defined as anyone who wasn't taking part in the pissing contest.
 
2012-03-04 09:17:49 PM
You mean an industry filled with people who make more money than 99% of the people on the planet and yet have the pure hubris to complain when their bonuses are slightly lower after they nearly crash the world economy with outrageously risky, unethical, illegal and immoral actions, necessitating a trillion dollar bailout from the taxpayers whom they openly despise, might be filled with people who are extremely narcissistic and lack human empathy? Well, color me shocked. I suppose next you're going to try to tell me that politicians lie.
 
2012-03-04 09:30:37 PM
Alligators, tigers, lions, alligators.
 
2012-03-04 09:36:42 PM

Rik01: I know a guy like this. He's married to a woman I know -- who refused to listen when I explained his personality. Shortly after the wedding -- rushed because she was PG, she showed up at my place and offered to pay me to hurt him -- BADLY.


We need more detail man. This has all the makings of a cool story bro.
 
2012-03-04 10:39:05 PM

Bennie Crabtree: Well, the ethics taught in liberal arts programs like Great Books, History, Philosophy, etc., not only describe why psychopathy cannot be allowed to dominate decision making in politics, religion, and economics; those humanities programs also teach how to stop psychopaths and how to recognize and resist them when they begin to gain power.

However, social scientists are dickholes who ignore philosophy and arts that have practical uses. Psychopaths clearly recognize the power of these educational experiences and devalue them whenever they can. and so, hey, we cut budgets from the most important practical educations, and looks what happens: all hell breaks loose. And for some reason, we get studies like the one in the article, purporting to be some kind of newsflash...a 2300 year old newsflash... Goddam I hate the 21st century so much. Western civilization's institutions peaked in the 1700s (and for a brief moment in the USA around the civil rights movement, which was more literate than anyone ever). :(


Actually, its because Jesus is angry with us, so he lets the devil send his minions to rule over us. If the atheists hadn't devalued post graduate christian studies, we would have people that could identify and resist the unholy, and Jesus would love us again and give us each a pony.
 
2012-03-04 11:03:44 PM
If 1 out of 10 Wall Streeters are psychopaths, then logically the other 9 out of ten are whatever is more psychopathic than psychopaths.

Also, if 1 percent of the population are psychopaths, would anyone care to offer a guess where these 1 percent are on the wealth scale? I'm guessing the 1 percent that are psychopaths are also the 1 percent that hold the most wealth.

Coincidentally, a mammalian predator-prey ratio (in similarly sized predators/prey) is about 1 predator per 100 prey.

At one time in America, the insane were identified and institutionalized - it's time to go back to a sane approach to dealing with the insane.
 
2012-03-04 11:14:42 PM
 
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2012-03-04 11:36:34 PM

Trolljegeren: would anyone care to offer a guess where these 1 percent are on the wealth scale? I'm guessing the 1 percent that are psychopaths are also the 1 percent that hold the most wealth.


www.yalibnan.com
 
2012-03-04 11:43:21 PM

mod3072: You mean an industry filled with people who make more money than 99% of the people on the planet and yet have the pure hubris to complain when their bonuses are slightly lower after they nearly crash the world economy with outrageously risky, unethical, illegal and immoral actions, necessitating a trillion dollar bailout from the taxpayers whom they openly despise, might be filled with people who are extremely narcissistic and lack human empathy? Well, color me shocked. I suppose next you're going to try to tell me that politicians lie.


They don't really see it that way. I believe their argument would center around how hard they work, how stressful their jobs are, and how much risk they take and earn their pay and bonuses.
 
2012-03-04 11:46:11 PM
I see all the Patrick Batemen references has been done already, so I just wanted to instead mention that American Psycho had one of the best Goth portrayals in any film. :=)

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/plus that restaurant looked pretty awesome too
//"The menu's in braille!"
 
2012-03-05 12:20:47 AM
You never really know the good ones are psychopaths. They're the really scary ones.

And I know the difference between psychotic and psychopathic. About $5 if you know the right hooker.
 
2012-03-05 12:27:16 AM

James F. Campbell: Countries with widespread belief in individualistic philosophies are more likely to have a higher incidence of psychopathy than countries without it. (new window)


It does make me wonder if psychopathy is really a state of not wanting to play the game or playing the game just enough to get what you're willing to settle for. Of course, crime and violence are certainly out of bounds but just because everyone thinks the modern equivalent of group tick grooming is the proper activity for society doesn't mean some people will feel and act differently. Rejecting the group norms isn't necessarily a bad thing and not maintaining the internal ideas and feelings to meet those norms isn't necessarily a sign of disease.

Why yes I did take my meds today. Thank you for asking.
 
2012-03-05 01:05:55 AM
Came here for American Psycho, left satisfied, need to return some tapes.
 
2012-03-05 01:15:53 AM
Unfortunately some of them were my bosses...with exaggeration.


oh the stories I could tell you...
 
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