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2012-03-04 08:54:40 AM
Because God forbid they should move to Las Vegas.
 
2012-03-04 09:25:18 AM
Maybe they should try ghost riding their way out?
 
2012-03-04 09:26:12 AM
Could be worse; they could be stuck in Lodi.
 
2012-03-04 09:27:23 AM
Can they check out any time they like though?
 
2012-03-04 09:30:57 AM
Man, this bullshiat has been going on for over 20 years. Why anybody thought the result would be any different this time is beyond me.
 
2012-03-04 09:33:00 AM
something something but they can check out any time they like something something
 
2012-03-04 09:39:26 AM
I really hope baseball contracts a few teams. The drama surrounding the contraction players going to other teams would be awesome. A contraction draft would be kinda awesome.
 
2012-03-04 09:44:16 AM

MaxSupernova: I really hope baseball contracts a few teams. The drama surrounding the contraction players going to other teams would be awesome. A contraction draft would be kinda awesome.


They tried with the Twins and/or Brewers maybe twelve or fifteen years ago now. IIRC, Pohlad would have gladly taken the $500MM and run while Selig would have ended any questions about favoritism and nepotism while his daughter and a collection of mouth-breathers ran the team into the ground.
 
2012-03-04 09:49:01 AM
They could always relocate their farm team and move to Sacramento
 
2012-03-04 09:49:06 AM

mikemoto: Because God forbid they should move to Las Vegas.


The Area 51s (?) do pretty well from what I understand. I think Las Vegas can be a great sports town. When I lived there Las Vegas had an IHL hockey team called the LAs Vegas Thunder that had a lot of fan support.
 
2012-03-04 09:52:49 AM
The last thing anyone in the Bay Area needs is more people trying to get in and out of San Jose.
 
2012-03-04 09:55:02 AM

skinink: The Area 51s (?) do pretty well from what I understand. I think Las Vegas can be a great sports town. When I lived there Las Vegas had an IHL hockey team called the LAs Vegas Thunder that had a lot of fan support.


Isn't there some sort of state gambling law that prohibits Las Vegas from hosting a professional sports organization?
 
2012-03-04 09:58:23 AM
Sell the team to Zombie Al Davis: he's have the franchise moved to LA and back in one season.
 
2012-03-04 10:06:16 AM

Slow To Return: skinink: The Area 51s (?) do pretty well from what I understand. I think Las Vegas can be a great sports town. When I lived there Las Vegas had an IHL hockey team called the LAs Vegas Thunder that had a lot of fan support.

Isn't there some sort of state gambling law that prohibits Las Vegas from hosting a professional sports organization?


There may be, or it may be the Big Four Leagues who don't want teams there. All I know is Metro Las Vegas is a huge area and there would be some great places for a baseball field or football stadium. As long as it's nowhere near The Strip, traffic there is a nightmare.
 
2012-03-04 10:16:01 AM

Slow To Return: Isn't there some sort of state gambling law that prohibits Las Vegas from hosting a professional sports organization?


The NFL won't because they have a nod and a wink tease relationship with gambling, MLB won't because they're so farkin' stodgy the 1920's think they're squares, the NBA won't because it wouldn't be three years before reports came out about a player losing his annual salary playing craps every night and the NHL only has occasional moments of clarity anymore when it comes to decision-making.
 
2012-03-04 10:20:41 AM
What does the Mayor of San Jose and Scott Walker have in common? They're both tea-bagging assholes who villianize public employee unions to get what they want.. In this case, Reed is using the A's to cut pensions.


Reed on public employee pensions: The city is 650 million in debt, vote to cut pensions.

Reed on the A's: Disregard the plan to build retail shops at a one-time 13 million dollar loss, that will create jobs year round, and guarantee the city revenue of 10 million a year.
Instead the A's to San Jose, tax-free, at a 25 million dollar loss, it will create 7 months of jobs and make me look cool. You must vote to cut public employee pensions for this plan to work.


Reed on bonds
: The city is 200 million in debt, buy these bonds.

Public Employee unions: Hey SEC, see what he did there?
 
2012-03-04 10:25:20 AM
Not that this will surprise me if it's true, but I'm gonna need a better source than Bill Madden.
 
2012-03-04 10:28:07 AM
Please welcome YOUR Portland A's!
 
2012-03-04 10:55:12 AM
To strip the Giants of their territorial rights to San Jose would require a three-quarters vote of the clubs, and as one baseball lawyer observed: "Clubs would realize what a terrible 'there but for the grace of God go us' precedent that would create in which all of their territorial rights would then be in jeopardy." As an example of that, one can't imagine the Yankees, Mets or Phillies voting to take the Giants' territorial rights to San Jose away when it could conceivably open the doors for a team seeking to re-locate to New Jersey.

This makes a lot of sense to me, I guess. But, why the hell would any team want to move to New Jersey? You could go to Newark/Jersey City and be essentially a third New York team. You could go to Trenton, a mere 30 minutes away from Philadelphia, and that city only has a population of 84k.

Orlando, Sacramento, Charlotte, Portland, San Antonio and Indianapolis are all top 30 MSAs in the US that don't have MLB teams (Except for Charlotte and Indy, all of them only have NBA teams). Surely at least one of those cities can be a good host for the A's if they're trying to move. Ultimately, though, they would all still leave the A's as a small-market franchise.
 
2012-03-04 11:04:53 AM
Orlando and Portland are in the soccer business lately- Orlando's trying to swipe MLS team #20 out from under New York's nose, and Portland just spent a bunch of money converting their baseball stadium to be soccer-exclusive because their minor league team left town. So they're probably out. (Yes, soccer counts, especially when it sucks up money that might otherwise be used for baseball.)

If Sacramento put in an effort, Oakland would probably be partial to them because that's still northern California. Charlotte and Indy would probably be better able to handle an MLB team, though.
 
2012-03-04 11:05:53 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: the NBA won't because it wouldn't be three years before reports came out about a player losing his annual salary playing craps every night


That would probably make the nightly news for any sport.
 
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2012-03-04 11:08:46 AM
One does not simply walk out of Oakland.
 
2012-03-04 11:11:55 AM

Gosling: Orlando and Portland are in the soccer business lately- Orlando's trying to swipe MLS team #20 out from under New York's nose, and Portland just spent a bunch of money converting their baseball stadium to be soccer-exclusive because their minor league team left town. So they're probably out. (Yes, soccer counts, especially when it sucks up money that might otherwise be used for baseball.)

If Sacramento put in an effort, Oakland would probably be partial to them because that's still northern California. Charlotte and Indy would probably be better able to handle an MLB team, though.


Their AAA team has been well supported in Sacramento, and it has in the past been suggested that Raley Field could be expanded to accommodate the A's

/hell yeah
//I'd still be a Giants fan, though
 
2012-03-04 11:20:55 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Gosling: Orlando and Portland are in the soccer business lately- Orlando's trying to swipe MLS team #20 out from under New York's nose, and Portland just spent a bunch of money converting their baseball stadium to be soccer-exclusive because their minor league team left town. So they're probably out. (Yes, soccer counts, especially when it sucks up money that might otherwise be used for baseball.)

If Sacramento put in an effort, Oakland would probably be partial to them because that's still northern California. Charlotte and Indy would probably be better able to handle an MLB team, though.

Their AAA team has been well supported in Sacramento, and it has in the past been suggested that Raley Field could be expanded to accommodate the A's

/hell yeah
//I'd still be a Giants fan, though


The River Cats have actually outdrawn the As ( on a game versus game basis, not a whole season) but I'm not sure the area is ready for another pro team fight when they barely kept the Kings.
 
2012-03-04 11:30:32 AM

Your_Huckleberry: The River Cats have actually outdrawn the As ( on a game versus game basis, not a whole season) but I'm not sure the area is ready for another pro team fight when they barely kept the Kings.


I'm not sure it'd be much of a fight, really. And we could let West Sac and Yolo county carry the water on this one

/the Kings thing isn't exactly a done deal yet, either. There's voting involved, isn't there?
 
2012-03-04 11:33:58 AM
Photo caption:Fans of the A's are looking at another long, dreary season in Oakland.

You know how I can tell this is an East Coast publication?

The writer of this piece would like you to think it's about the fans, when nothing can be further from the truth. The A's have plenty of devoted fans, very few of whom want to travel to San Jose for a ballgame (or any other reason) or (like Dodger fans 50-odd years ago) suddenly stop hating the crosstown rival. It's the owner who wants to move, not even for a larger fan base and greater number of butts in seats, but rather for a sweeter stadium deal and more lucrative luxury boxes (sure, the Coliseum has "luxury" boxes, but most of them have terrible views, due to being designed for football, not baseball, and don't generate a lot of revenue).

The A's and their ballpark take a lot heat (not least from "journalists" who make a good living parroting the opinions of Bud Selig and the owners), but they have a lot going for them. Unlike other underfinanced teams, the A's have a GM who really tries to field a winning team, even if he doesn't always succeed, making them an underdog actually worth rooting for. The stadium is a few hundred feet away from a BART station connecting it with almost the entire Bay Area, and the spacious and low-tech interior preserves some of the pastoral experience that old-timers like me (age 48) crave from a day at the ball park. The newer stadiums, by contrast, with their huge scoreboards, short fences, and minimal foul territory (the new, miniature Yankee Stadium exemplifies this trend), create a cramped, intense, urban experience more suitable, ironically, to the football games they were designed to exclude.
 
2012-03-04 11:39:09 AM

Cornelius Dribble: Photo caption:Fans of the A's are looking at another long, dreary season in Oakland.

Unlike other underfinanced teams, the A's have a GM who really tries to field a winning team, even if he doesn't always succeed, making them an underdog actually worth rooting for.


What Beane needs is some sort of big ball of money...a moneyball, if you will.

/Move to Sacramento!
 
2012-03-04 11:56:07 AM
To strip the Giants of their territorial rights to San Jose would require a three-quarters vote of the clubs, and as one baseball lawyer observed: "Clubs would realize what a terrible 'there but for the grace of God go us' precedent that would create in which all of their territorial rights would then be in jeopardy." As an example of that, one can't imagine the Yankees, Mets or Phillies voting to take the Giants' territorial rights to San Jose away when it could conceivably open the doors for a team seeking to re-locate to New Jersey.

The precedent that was already set when the Expos turned into the Nationals?
 
2012-03-04 12:07:06 PM
As a life-long A's fan (since their Kansas City days), fark it. Build a 100,000 seat stadium. Dimensions, 400 feet down the lines, 500' to dead center. Retool your pitching staff to feature hard throwers only. And do this in... MEXICO CITY!

You could fill a 100,000 seat stadium there daily. 8,000' altitude, so breaking balls won't break. Fill your outfield with track stars. Dominate the Latino signing market. You'll win all your home games, and lose most of your road games, but .500 is better than they've shown in the past decade. With the largest population in the world for the metropolitan area, the Mexico City Athletics could soon rival the Yankees in spending power and ability.

I'd love to see them in Las Vegas, as they'd only be 100 miles from me, and I could be there every weekend. But Mexico City is their best and probably only chance to be a big market team.
 
2012-03-04 12:12:56 PM
VICTORY COURT!
 
2012-03-04 12:18:44 PM

Slow To Return: skinink: The Area 51s (?) do pretty well from what I understand. I think Las Vegas can be a great sports town. When I lived there Las Vegas had an IHL hockey team called the LAs Vegas Thunder that had a lot of fan support.

Isn't there some sort of state gambling law that prohibits Las Vegas from hosting a professional sports organization?


No law exists. Only law that does exist is betting on teams in casinos that have a ownership stake in a team. That is the reason you could not bet on the Sacramento Kings at the palms. The Maloof family owns a stake in both.
 
2012-03-04 01:08:19 PM

BunkoSquad: Could be worse; they could be stuck in Lodi.


Oh lord.
 
2012-03-04 01:27:53 PM
I smell colitas.
 
2012-03-04 02:10:45 PM

The Bestest: Please welcome YOUR Portland A's!


When the Beavers left they were attracting about 3000 people per game, and the largest stadium left in Portland that I can think of is Joe Etzel Field on UP's campus, and that only seats 1000 people.
 
2012-03-04 02:28:34 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: and the NHL only has occasional moments of clarity anymore when it comes to decision-making.


The NHL hasn't worked out too well in the desert. Staying out of Vegas is smart.
 
2012-03-04 02:36:31 PM
I love how people are taking seriously what some NY hack has to say. Nobody knows what Bud Selig is going to do until he makes a decision. It's been three years now that he's been "investigating" into San Jose. Make a decision you piece of shiat!
 
2012-03-04 03:20:56 PM
Wearing a tigers jersey at an As game is the closest I've ever come to getting stabbed, so I'm obviously getting a kick out of this thread.
 
2012-03-04 03:30:36 PM

bangmaid: Wearing a tigers jersey at an As game is the closest I've ever come to getting stabbed, so I'm obviously getting a kick out of this thread.


And if you think that was bad, try it at an A's home game
 
2012-03-04 03:33:21 PM

Gosling: Portland just spent a bunch of money converting their baseball stadium to be soccer-exclusive because their minor league team left town.


Close. As I remember it, the Beavers were to have a new stadium deal in place before the Timbers could take over PGE Park, and make it a soccer only facility. Then some jackwagon in Beaverton threw the Westgate stadium plans away by not agreeing to well above market value to buy his property (it was the last piece of land needed to get the stadium.) When the Timbers took over PGE park anyway, The Beavers were sold.
 
2012-03-04 03:45:37 PM

bangmaid: Wearing a tigers jersey at an As game is the closest I've ever come to getting stabbed, so I'm obviously getting a kick out of this thread.


Probably one of the few games where you were outnumbered by A's fans most likely. It's at least 50/50 when the Sox or Yanks come to town.
 
2012-03-04 04:04:46 PM

Cornelius Dribble: Photo caption:Fans of the A's are looking at another long, dreary season in Oakland.

You know how I can tell this is an East Coast publication?

The writer of this piece would like you to think it's about the fans, when nothing can be further from the truth. The A's have plenty of devoted fans, very few of whom want to travel to San Jose for a ballgame (or any other reason) or (like Dodger fans 50-odd years ago) suddenly stop hating the crosstown rival. It's the owner who wants to move, not even for a larger fan base and greater number of butts in seats, but rather for a sweeter stadium deal and more lucrative luxury boxes (sure, the Coliseum has "luxury" boxes, but most of them have terrible views, due to being designed for football, not baseball, and don't generate a lot of revenue).

The A's and their ballpark take a lot heat (not least from "journalists" who make a good living parroting the opinions of Bud Selig and the owners), but they have a lot going for them. Unlike other underfinanced teams, the A's have a GM who really tries to field a winning team, even if he doesn't always succeed, making them an underdog actually worth rooting for. The stadium is a few hundred feet away from a BART station connecting it with almost the entire Bay Area, and the spacious and low-tech interior preserves some of the pastoral experience that old-timers like me (age 48) crave from a day at the ball park. The newer stadiums, by contrast, with their huge scoreboards, short fences, and minimal foul territory (the new, miniature Yankee Stadium exemplifies this trend), create a cramped, intense, urban experience more suitable, ironically, to the football games they were designed to exclude.


You can tell me all you want about how the location is nice, it doesn't take away from the fact that the Mausoleum was forever ruined by Mount Davis and needs to be replaced. Not that it's up to me, but it if was, and assuming the Raiders don't go back to LA or something, I'd say build a new stadium just north of the Coliseum, one that seats about 35-36k and has a huge foul territory like the current park. If the Raiders are staying, build a new stadium for them on the opposite side. Buy up some property around the park to replace lost parking, and we're set. It would also be a great time to figure out how stadiums cost so many hundreds of millions of dollars to make and ask yourself what you're getting out of the profit. As the model of small market effectiveness, they should be able to figure it out....
 
2012-03-04 04:16:29 PM

dohrk: Gosling: Portland just spent a bunch of money converting their baseball stadium to be soccer-exclusive because their minor league team left town.

Close. As I remember it, the Beavers were to have a new stadium deal in place before the Timbers could take over PGE Park, and make it a soccer only facility. Then some jackwagon in Beaverton threw the Westgate stadium plans away by not agreeing to well above market value to buy his property (it was the last piece of land needed to get the stadium.) When the Timbers took over PGE park anyway, The Beavers were sold.


The plan was that it was up to the region to find a team before the MLS switchover. When no suitable site was found, the team was sold to a group that had stadium plans in Northern San Diego County. The Beaverton plan, like the Lents plan, was just a way for Paulson to look like he didn't want to get rid of the team.

Their attendance was in the 3000's when they left. There was no viable way to build a stadium for a team with attendance lower than it was back when they were playing at the Vaughn Street ballpark.
 
2012-03-04 04:44:42 PM
By the way speaking of new ballparks... The Fabulous New Marlins Park is just about done, home run monument and all.
 
2012-03-04 04:58:32 PM

FriarReb98: By the way speaking of new ballparks... The Fabulous New Marlins Park is just about done, home run monument and all.


I've been wondering since I've seen it... how did that get out of the think tank and into production? How the fark did it get into consideration in the first place? Jobs need to be lost because of this.

/D-backs fan
 
2012-03-04 05:07:00 PM
Oakland is closer to San Jose than San Francisco is. I never could understand why that is claimed as San Francisco territory.
 
2012-03-04 05:27:28 PM

muck4doo: Oakland is closer to San Jose than San Francisco is. I never could understand why that is claimed as San Francisco territory.


It clearly follows the legal precedent of Finders v. Keepers. That, and the Giants have a farm team there in case the precedent is struck down by that radical SCOTUS....
 
2012-03-04 05:40:47 PM
The Raiders moved from Oakland to LA, back to Oakland.

No-one seemed to notice.
 
2012-03-04 05:50:45 PM

CavalierEternal: The Raiders moved from Oakland to LA, back to Oakland.

No-one seemed to notice.


Well sure... what's one gang of thugs more or less in Oakland?
 
2012-03-04 06:18:07 PM

muck4doo: Oakland is closer to San Jose than San Francisco is. I never could understand why that is claimed as San Francisco territory.


Santa Clara county used to be the A's property, and both the A's and Giants had 3 bay area counties each. In the early 90s, Walter Haas allowed Bob Lurie (owner of the Giants) to explore land in the south bay for a stadium site out of the goodness of his heart. Back then, it was the Giants, not the A's, who were in huge financial straits, and their move to St. Petersburg was a done deal in 1992 before Peter Magaywad bought them and kept them in SF.

Ever since then, the Giants have claimed that Santa Clara county belongs to them on the basis of...um...some sort of rhetoric that never makes sense and insults your intelligence to listen to. And if MLB had a commission who didn't have an asshole where his brain would be, the issue would have been settled in 1996 when he would have told the Giants to go suck a lemon and that county belongs to the A's.

Larry Baer and the rest of the Giants mongoloid ownership group are trying to force the A's out of the bay area, or get a huge payoff from the team and/or MLB in order to "give" the A's back the county that rightfully belongs to them.

Basically, what I'm saying is fark the Giants.
 
2012-03-04 07:14:07 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Walter Haas allowed Bob Lurie (owner of the Giants) to explore land in the south bay for a stadium site out of the goodness of his heart. Back then, it was the Giants, not the A's, who were in huge financial straits, and their move to St. Petersburg was a done deal in 1992 before Peter Magaywad bought them and kept them in SF.


God bless the memory of Walter Haas Jr. Possibly the best owner in the history of baseball. The A's certainly didn't have to cover up the third deck when HE owned the team. I used to take my baby brother to see Dave Stewart pitch every chance I got. He probably still believes every Major League game ends 1 or 2 to nothing.

Baseball needs a commissioner who will do what is in the best interests of BASEBALL, not just the owners. I used to always support the Giants as my second team, and spent a lot of money at Candlestick. They can go pound sand, now.
 
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