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2012-03-04 11:22:20 AM

Cpl.D: skinink: I call dibs on Kirsten Dunst.
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What movie was that?


A horrible movie called Melancholia (new window). It's supposed to be about depression, and it did make me depressed. . .
 
2012-03-04 11:27:38 AM

A Terrible Human: LouDobbsAwaaaay: I don't remember that part.

Lol but it was hilarious. The electric cord on it was whipping around. It just seemed like they were milking it for all it was worth,this may have been before the Y2K nonsense too.


Could it have been Maximum Overdrive? I vaguely recall people killed by things smaller then cars and such but it's been years since I've seen any of that movie.
 
2012-03-04 11:27:42 AM
60 meters would pretty much just flatten a city, which would suck, but hardly end-of-world.
 
2012-03-04 11:30:50 AM
No talk of Torino scale in article = me not giving a fark, because it likely has a rating of 0 and is a non-issue object.

Crappy article is crappy, must have had the sports writer tackle this one.
 
2012-03-04 11:34:46 AM

Honest Bender: In the event of a collision, scientists have calculated that the energy released would equate to the destructive power of a thermo-nuclear bomb.

You know..... That would make an excellent cover story for a clandestine nuking of one of our less favorite countries...

Step 1: Convince the masses that an asteroid will hit Earth.
Step 2: Nuke *country*
Step 3: Offer "aide" as a means of deploying troops.
Step 4: In the wake of the natural disaster, *country* is too unstable. The only responsible thing to do is annex them into our union.


Um, no, it wouldn't. Do you have any idea how many holes there are in that?

1: Asteroids aren't invisible. Even one as small as the one in the article aren't too hard to see if you know where to look. If the US were to try to convince people there was a guaranteed-impact asteroid on the way, astronomers the world over would be rushing to observe it. And when it wasn't there, things would get ugly. And no, trying to say 'there's a asteroid coming, but we're going to refuse to tell anyone where it currently is' would *instantly* flop. Nobody in the scientific community would believe it for a moment.

2: Asteroid impacts may well release energy equivalent to an atomic bomb, but that doesn't mean their explosions would be indistinguishable from such a bomb. And you can bet your ass that everyone in the world would be watching, and the accusations would fly thick and fast once it became obvious that the explosion was nuclear in origin.

3: How the hell do you deliver the bomb without anyone seeing it? Missiles, after all, don't look much like asteroids, especially since a true asteroid would come in on a trajectory from far outside the atmosphere. Even if you can somehow hide your missile, the fact that there *wasn't* an obvious entry trail from an asteroid would be damning.

It would be about the worst way possible to attempt to justify an invasion/annexation.
 
2012-03-04 11:35:26 AM
I call shannanagins
 
2012-03-04 11:39:55 AM

machoprogrammer: 60 meters would pretty much just flatten a city, which would suck


Depends on the city.
 
2012-03-04 11:49:49 AM
encrypted-tbn3.google.com

We'll just send Randy Quaid to take care of it,
 
2012-03-04 11:51:20 AM

Mikeyworld: RexTalionis: Here's the 2012 DA14 Impact Risk page from the JPL.

The highest risk that earth might be hit is about 0.001200000%. At no time does this even rate as a 1 on the Torino scale. The likelihood of impact is next to nothing.

Torino scale?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x266]

Let's put a couple of JATO units on it and really make an impact!

/hot as a Ford
//as likely to fly, too


When it gets to a level 5 on the Gran Torino scale is when Clint starts suiting up.
i40.tinypic.com
 
2012-03-04 11:53:07 AM
To avert a possible catastrophe - this time set for February 2013 - scientists suggest confronting asteroid 2012 DA14 with either paint or big guns

... What? I'm not getting this.
 
2012-03-04 11:53:43 AM
Step 1: Warn that an asteroid threatens to wipe out mankind in the near future.
Step 2: Demand that congress repents for its since by ceasing to spend money on war, hookers, and blow, just long enough so that it can pay for a massive science and exploration program to discover ways to deal with this threat.
Step 3: Profit.
Step 4: After developing asteroid deflection system and securing the future of mankind in space while moving afore mentioned rock, announce that it was never a real threat anyway. But we accidentally made a better society of ourselves in the process anyway so no one cares.

Speaker2Animals: Ho-hum. Get back to me when a legitimate (non-Russian) source reports this.

NASA report makes no mention of a dangerously close encounter next year.


Don't be "that guy".
Repeat after me "The sky is falling! the Sky is falling!! Call your senators and demand something be done!!"
 
2012-03-04 12:01:54 PM

Wayne 985: To avert a possible catastrophe - this time set for February 2013 - scientists suggest confronting asteroid 2012 DA14 with either paint or big guns

... What? I'm not getting this.


Giving it a different albedo will affect its orbit. As they slowly radiate away the thermal energy they absorb from the sun, it gives it a very minuscule push. Paint one half dark black, it'll absorb and radiate more energy. Over a year or years, it'll greatly affect its orbit. But that's a pure desperation move. It'd be very, very hard to predict which way it's gonna go.
 
2012-03-04 12:02:53 PM
Well, if it does hit, I just hope that it lands someplace that will do some good.
 
2012-03-04 12:04:26 PM

Mildot: 11 months to go and we're leaving it to the government ti solve this problem...


If there was every an opportunity for private enterprise...
 
2012-03-04 12:15:33 PM

MuonNeutrino: 1: Asteroids aren't invisible.


Deploy a fake asteroid into space.

2: Asteroid impacts may well release energy equivalent to an atomic bomb, but that doesn't mean their explosions would be indistinguishable from such a bomb.

Who is going to distinguish the difference? The peoples of a destroyed and occupied underdeveloped country?

3: How the hell do you deliver the bomb without anyone seeing it?

At night.
 
2012-03-04 12:20:48 PM

Glicky: Mildot: 11 months to go and we're leaving it to the government ti solve this problem...

If there was every an opportunity for private enterprise...


There isn't.
As we speak, the politicians are trying to raid the commercial crew program for planetary science funds. Because they don't want to raise NASA's funding or touch the SLS budget. Between ITAR and the new push for expensive safety demands from newspace, private companies wont stand a chance in the long run.
 
2012-03-04 12:24:04 PM
So, then, we just send up a bunch of taggers, with a rocket full of Krylon. Problem solved.

Bonus: wouldn't have to worry about getting them back. It's economical, too.
 
2012-03-04 12:25:17 PM

Karma Chameleon: Nefarious: So less 2012 more Deep Impact?

Well, we do have a black president.


www.alicia-logic.com
 
2012-03-04 12:30:14 PM

Speaker2Animals: Ho-hum. Get back to me when a legitimate (non-Russian) source reports this.

NASA report makes no mention of a dangerously close encounter next year.



You realize that Apophis is *one single asteroid* right, like...out of the thousands we've observed and named?

This story is about 2012 DA14, and Nasa's own trajectory simulations has it cutting between us and our satellites.

But yeah, not a major catastrophe. It could wipe out a city if it hits one. If it lands in an ocean, anyone on it's coast is going to be doing the Sendai Rally (new window).
 
2012-03-04 12:32:22 PM
Happy birthday to meeeee...
etc etc
 
2012-03-04 12:45:24 PM

Honest Bender: MuonNeutrino: 1: Asteroids aren't invisible.

Deploy a fake asteroid into space.

2: Asteroid impacts may well release energy equivalent to an atomic bomb, but that doesn't mean their explosions would be indistinguishable from such a bomb.

Who is going to distinguish the difference? The peoples of a destroyed and occupied underdeveloped country?

3: How the hell do you deliver the bomb without anyone seeing it?

At night.


Right. Suppose I should have realized immediately that you were just a troll, but so many people really *are* that stupid. You probably ought to work on that a bit; your Boobies steered a pretty good line between whackjobbery and plausibility, but your followup was a bit obvious.

Just for the record, though, in case anyone else thinks you make any sense:

If you can deploy a fake asteroid, you don't need to use a nuke in the first place. And if anyone thinks we could actually place a convincing enough fake asteroid on an appropriate orbit without anyone noticing, think again. And the people who would notice such a fake (or the difference between an asteroid impact and a nuke) would be everyone *else* on the planet, who would certainly be watching.
 
2012-03-04 12:46:33 PM
...... annnnnnnd filterpwnd. Heh.
 
2012-03-04 12:47:07 PM
t1.gstatic.com

i245.photobucket.com

Has anyone considered dressing Kirk up as an Indian?
 
2012-03-04 12:49:49 PM
If it hits the earth I can only hope that it hits Iran. Or anywhere in the middle east, except Isreal
 
2012-03-04 12:51:31 PM

Honest Bender: In the event of a collision, scientists have calculated that the energy released would equate to the destructive power of a thermo-nuclear bomb.

You know..... That would make an excellent cover story for a clandestine nuking of one of our less favorite countries...

Step 1: Convince the masses that an asteroid will hit Earth.
Step 2: Nuke *country*
Step 3: Offer "aide" as a means of deploying troops.
Step 4: In the wake of the natural disaster, *country* is too unstable. The only responsible thing to do is annex them into our union.


You sir, or madam, as the case may be, have a devious mind.
This idea was one of the first to cross my mind as well.
 
2012-03-04 12:56:59 PM
The day I turn 18 is the end of the world? I always knew I was special.
 
2012-03-04 12:57:10 PM
Today's the day. I know I've put it off for too long but I've got to get rid of this gut & get back in shape. I've got my jogging shoes, vitamin water, iPod ready & what a beautiful day it is. This could be the start of a new me. Hey, what's that?
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2012-03-04 01:10:28 PM

Loki-L: Its cumulative impact probability is 1 in 4,550. That still counts as unlikely, but it is getting into the area of something where somebody maybe should do something about just in case.

We spend a lot of money, time and effort on averting possible dangers which are far more unlikely.


If human beings were more rational, our military and space programs would swap budget, and the money we spent on 'defense' would be spent on actually protecting humanity from outside threats (including asteroid impacts), rather than on killing each other.

It's just one more sign that humans are not terribly rational.
 
2012-03-04 01:14:29 PM

UID_Zero: So anything less than 27,000 km is now a hair's breadth? What kind of hair are we talking about here? I'm pretty sure "hair's breadth" isn't an SI unit.


Astronomically speaking, yes.
 
2012-03-04 01:17:47 PM

BigChad: UID_Zero: FTFA: NASA's data shows the 60-meter asteroid, spotted by Spanish stargazers in February, will whistle by Earth in 11 months. Its trajectory will bring it within a hair's breadth of our planet, raising fears of a possible collision.

The asteroid, known as DA14, will pass by our planet in February 2013 at a distance of under 27,000 km (16,700 miles). This is closer than the geosynchronous orbit of some satellites.

So anything less than 27,000 km is now a hair's breadth? What kind of hair are we talking about here? I'm pretty sure "hair's breadth" isn't an SI unit.

/ Pointless comment is pointless
// Tell him about the twinky...

What about the Twinkie®?



For reference with width of the earth is about 12,000 km so yes, a hair.
 
2012-03-04 01:18:44 PM
Well this is my chance to participate in the largest paranormal event since the Tunguska blast of 1908!

/no you can't have any of my brain tissue!
 
2012-03-04 01:19:53 PM

MuonNeutrino: If you can deploy a fake asteroid, you don't need to use a nuke in the first place.


I didn't say to deploy a real fake asteroid. Just use an inflatable fake. OR, sidestep that part entirely. Just announce that you know an asteroid is going to strike the planet somewhere on Earth in the next 24 hours. Tell the world you kept it under wraps because you didn't want to cause widespread panic.

Under cover of darkness, deploy a large nuke on the city/country of your choosing. Launch a full scale media frenzy about it. The 24 hour news networks will eat that shiat up and the idiots that watch 24 hour news will believe it.

Anyone who calls the events into question can just be slandered and made to look like a 9/11 truther.

Honestly, I think you greatly over-estimate the intelligence of the average human being. And most everyone else simply doesn't give a damn. Will it impact (pun intended) the cost of my morning Starbucks? No? Then who cares!
 
2012-03-04 01:20:36 PM
Sounds like a SyFy movie.

Giant asteroid hurdling towered earf. Millions may die and shiat. Death, Destruction, Global Warming! WTF CAN WE DO??????

We could paint it.
 
2012-03-04 01:22:37 PM
0.001200000%

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I'm actually ok with something going smack, although won't be too pleased if I'm in the resulting crater or blast zone.

What I'm ok with though, is that it could (I'm a dreamer, I know) be a wake up call that started the U.S. and maybe the rest of the industrialized world to realize that one nest of eggs is not inherently a safe thing.

[Cut to 50,000 years later...]

Mankind finds the dino-planet around Alpha Centauri Proxima established ~65 million years ago when the dinosaur scientists realized they couldn't do anything about the asteroid heading for the Yucatan.
 
2012-03-04 01:27:51 PM

Speaker2Animals: Ho-hum. Get back to me when a legitimate (non-Russian) source reports this.

NASA report makes no mention of a dangerously close encounter next year.


I'm delighted that the old Soviet adage still rings true:

If it's in Pravda (Truth) it's not true, and if it's in Izvestia (News) it's not news.
 
2012-03-04 01:27:53 PM

Daraymann: We could paint it.


That would change it's albedo. Look it up.
 
2012-03-04 01:35:04 PM

Evil Twin Skippy: Meh, just one thermonuclear device?

It would suck to be under it, but it's not going to end the world.




Exactly. Japan survived two, and they're doing just fi--


s1.static.gotsmile.net


Oh dear god.
 
2012-03-04 01:39:49 PM
As a responsible American, I am willing to offer up our nation as the designated strike zone, preferably "The Jersey Shore." Announce a nightclub opening and Paris Hilton will probably also show up. Immediate urban renewal, societal cleansing, and genetic improvement all in one. Win all the way around.
 
2012-03-04 01:41:15 PM
I cannot believe I'm first in with the chihuahua's head reference.

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2012-03-04 01:42:29 PM

cherryl taggart: Announce a nightclub opening and Paris Hilton will probably also show up. Immediate urban renewal, societal cleansing, and genetic improvement all in one. Win all the way around.


It takes a hallway to beat a hotdog?
 
2012-03-04 01:45:06 PM
You just know if it did hit, there would be a ton of conspiracy theories out there that it was a nuke.
 
2012-03-04 01:49:51 PM

Mugato: NO! No more farking end of the world shiat. 2012 is it. If it doesn't happen this year, I don't want to hear about it.


Agreed. Just to be on the safe side though, I am taking Dec 21st off of work. Would really suck to be at work when the world ends.
 
2012-03-04 01:51:05 PM
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We should have listened to Ollie.

You know, it's funny. I remember very vividly the Oliver North hearings, but did not recall the name of 2012 DA14 as the asteroid that North was threatened by. Has this slimeball been around that long? It's pretty evident, in hindsight that we should have listened to OLLIE!

In a lecture at UNC the other day where they played a video of Oliver North during the Iran-Contra deals during the Reagan administration. In this particular clip. There was Olie in front of God and Country getting the third degree. But what he said was stunning, as he was being drilled by some senator, who asked him;

'Did you not recently spend close to $60,000 for a home security system?'

Oliver replied, 'Yes I did sir.'

The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience, 'Isn't this just a little excessive?'

'No sir,' continued Oliver.

'No. And why not?'

'Because the life of my family and I were threatened.'

'Threatened? By who.'

'By an asteroid, sir.'

'Asteroid? What asteroid could possibly scare you that much?'

'It's name is 2012 DA14.'

At this point the senator tried to repeat the name, but couldn't pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn't. A couple of people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued.

'Why are you so afraid of this rock?'

'Because sir, it is the most evil rock out there that I know of.'

'And what do you recommend we do about it?'

'If it were me I would recommend a NASA team be formed to eliminate it and its kind from the near space of Earth.'

The senator disagreed with this approach and that was all they showed of the clip.

It's scary when you think 25 years ago the government was aware of 2012 DA14 and its potential threat to the security of the world. I guess like all great space rocks, they start small but if left untended spread like the virus they truly are.
 
2012-03-04 01:51:23 PM
Can we not just blast it with rail guns? What kind of kickback do they have, and could we not mount them to some kind of orbital satellite? They require lots of energy, but there's nothing to obstruct the sun, so in theory it shouldn't be a problem.
 
2012-03-04 02:07:07 PM
Has anyone called Aerosmith yet??
 
2012-03-04 02:07:14 PM

spiral_fishcake: Can we not just blast it with rail guns? What kind of kickback do they have, and could we not mount them to some kind of orbital satellite? They require lots of energy, but there's nothing to obstruct the sun, so in theory it shouldn't be a problem.


Sir Isaac Newton would like a word with you.
 
2012-03-04 02:11:05 PM

Honest Bender: MuonNeutrino: If you can deploy a fake asteroid, you don't need to use a nuke in the first place.

I didn't say to deploy a real fake asteroid. Just use an inflatable fake. OR, sidestep that part entirely. Just announce that you know an asteroid is going to strike the planet somewhere on Earth in the next 24 hours. Tell the world you kept it under wraps because you didn't want to cause widespread panic.

Under cover of darkness, deploy a large nuke on the city/country of your choosing. Launch a full scale media frenzy about it. The 24 hour news networks will eat that shiat up and the idiots that watch 24 hour news will believe it.

Anyone who calls the events into question can just be slandered and made to look like a 9/11 truther.

Honestly, I think you greatly over-estimate the intelligence of the average human being. And most everyone else simply doesn't give a damn. Will it impact (pun intended) the cost of my morning Starbucks? No? Then who cares!


Still not sure whether you're trolling or just being dumb, but whatever.

The point of the 'you don't need to use a nuke in the first place' is that if you can pull that off, you don't need to invent such a ridiculously roundabout rationale for attacking said country in the first place. Simply take whatever magical invisible orbital-mechanics-defying transport method you used to emplace the decoy, and use the magic tech behind that to zap said place with rayguns or divert a few hurricanes. It's about as plausible.

And giving only 24 hours warning with the justification that 'we didn't want to cause a panic' would be less plausible than giving no warning at all. If you know about it even that far in advance, what possible logical justification would you give for withholding the information instead of, say, warning people to begin an evacuation? It's not as if any hypothetical panic would be any *worse* for the people under the impact point than the actual impact would be. And even if 'avoiding panic' were a legitimate reason, why would you say anything at all in that case? After all, that's a really good way to ensure that those 24 hours are about as panic-filled as possible.

And finally, you still aren't going to be able to mimic an asteroid strike with a nuke. As mentioned before, the explosions aren't the same, and the lack of any entry fireball will be a blatantly obvious clue that it's not an asteroid. Not to mention that the radioactive fallout will be rather tough to explain.

Thing is, it's not the average human being you'd have to worry about. I agree that it would be fairly easy to deceive them. The people you need to worry about, though, are the worldwide scientific community and the governments of countries that don't really like us. You *will not* fool the astronomy and physics communities, and do you seriously think that china and russia would just passively stand by and let us get away with something like that? For that matter, our allies would be none too pleased either, and don't make the mistake of thinking that they wouldn't find out. This would represent the knowing, deliberate use of nuclear weapons, outside of a declared state of war, against a civilian target! Can you possibly think of a better 'crossing the moral event horizon' action we could take?
 
2012-03-04 02:11:39 PM

SilverStag: spiral_fishcake: Can we not just blast it with rail guns? What kind of kickback do they have, and could we not mount them to some kind of orbital satellite? They require lots of energy, but there's nothing to obstruct the sun, so in theory it shouldn't be a problem.

Sir Isaac Newton would like a word with you.


I smell a séance.
 
2012-03-04 02:21:12 PM

Loki-L: RexTalionis: Here's the 2012 DA14 Impact Risk page from the JPL.

The highest risk that earth might be hit is about 0.001200000%. At no time does this even rate as a 1 on the Torino scale. The likelihood of impact is next to nothing.

Its cumulative impact probability is 1 in 4,550. That still counts as unlikely, but it is getting into the area of something where somebody maybe should do something about just in case.

We spend a lot of money, time and effort on averting possible dangers which are far more unlikely.


take 100% if the TSA budget and use it for impact prevention. at least we would reap the benefits of short airport lines and advances in space tech!!
 
2012-03-04 02:25:10 PM

ima turkey: If it hits the earth I can only hope that it hits Iran. Or anywhere in the middle east, except Isreal



Funny, I was hoping that it would slam directly into the Temple Mount / Dome of The Rock in Jerusalem, with large fragments slamming into Tel Aviv and Mecca.


/Kill two (thee?) birds with one stone
 
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