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2012-03-03 08:08:48 PM  
I want to vomit.
 
2012-03-03 08:12:26 PM  
The fark?!
 
2012-03-03 08:15:48 PM  
Betting that this thread goes redder than an infected glans.

3...2...1...
 
2012-03-03 08:19:26 PM  
The most unkindest cut of all.
 
2012-03-03 08:20:24 PM  
That sucks
 
2012-03-03 08:23:33 PM  
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An easily preventable tragedy.
 
2012-03-03 08:26:42 PM  
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/Obligatory
 
2012-03-03 08:27:19 PM  
o_O
 
2012-03-03 08:33:49 PM  
"In newborn babies (within the first month of life), HSV infection, known as neonatal herpes, can potentially be life threatening, and symptoms almost always accompany infection. The virus is able to enter the brain and spinal fluid and can cause seizures and even death."
 
2012-03-03 08:35:27 PM  

Amos Quito: "In newborn babies (within the first month of life), HSV infection, known as neonatal herpes, can potentially be life threatening, and symptoms almost always accompany infection. The virus is able to enter the brain and spinal fluid and can cause seizures and even death."


Now with a link (new window)
 
2012-03-03 08:36:12 PM  
That Rabbi needs to be shot.
 
2012-03-03 08:55:58 PM  
Under the practice, the rabbi or mohel removes blood from the wound with his mouth - a practice city health officials have criticized, saying it carried "inherent risks" for babies.

:O
 
2012-03-03 09:12:34 PM  
All I can say it it amazes me the jews were the ones to come up with this and not the catholics.
 
2012-03-03 09:18:28 PM  
Well that's not kosher.
 
2012-03-03 09:31:04 PM  
In other news, if you want to suck on infant's dicks, you just have to be a rabbi and circumcise them.
 
2012-03-03 09:39:02 PM  

You Cant Explain That: All I can say it it amazes me the jews were the ones to come up with this and not the catholics.



Judyism is older that Catholycism, and circumcision is older still.


/Jews get infant Herp-a-derp
//Catholics get hang nails
 
2012-03-03 10:02:20 PM  
That mohel was doing it wrong: The stated purpose of metziza tradition is to protect the child's health.
Mohels still perform the suction to keep to the Talmudic tradition, but not with direct oral contact rather via a sterile tube that has one way suction.

As for those who object to circumcision as a barbaric custom, Tziporah agrees.
It's our religion and our covenant.
 
2012-03-03 10:24:03 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: That mohel was doing it wrong: The stated purpose of metziza tradition is to protect the child's health.
Mohels still perform the suction to keep to the Talmudic tradition, but not with direct oral contact rather via a sterile tube that has one way suction.

As for those who object to circumcision as a barbaric custom, Tziporah agrees.
It's our religion and our covenant.



My position? If y'all want to hack away at your sons'
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for the sake of your silly religious superstitions, go for it.

Godspeed, good luck, and all that.

But PLEASE, don't try to justify your cruel barbaric bloodletting rites by insisting that it's healthier, more hygienic,or whatever, and don't try to get the gullible goyim to follow your example.


/Castration is the new circumcision
//Trendy
 
2012-03-03 10:36:55 PM  
Religion.
 
2012-03-03 11:08:04 PM  

GAT_00: In other news, if you want to suck on infant's dicks, you just have to be a rabbi and circumcise them.


I wonder if he sucks it, or just gently laps it up. Because I don't want to know either way.
 
2012-03-04 12:16:27 AM  
There are no words. Just vomit.
 
2012-03-04 12:37:54 AM  
wait...don't tell me subby, I know this answer..it's on the tip of my tongue.
 
2012-03-04 12:45:12 AM  

You Cant Explain That: All I can say it it amazes me the jews were the ones to come up with this and not the catholics.


lol

do you know what would solve these problems? banning religion

/sigh - delusion is such a wonderful thing
 
2012-03-04 12:48:56 AM  
So much for the "it's more hygienic" thing.
 
2012-03-04 12:50:18 AM  
Why can't we have laws against rabbis using their mouths on a newborn's freshly circumcised penis?

Oh yeah, it'll open another can of worms like making Catholic hospitals provide contraception coverage in their employee insurance policies.

/I'm really tired of religious organizations dictating health care for women and children.
//Wish they'd move up to the 21st Century instead of sticking with the ancient traditions on procreation, women's rights, infectious diseases.
 
2012-03-04 12:52:14 AM  
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2012-03-04 12:56:42 AM  
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Sterilize it, damn it!

/not what the Mohels use...
 
2012-03-04 12:57:35 AM  
........wat...........da................f*****ck.........
 
2012-03-04 12:59:45 AM  
Dammit, Subby...you were right.

/That's wrong on more levels than I want to contemplate.
 
2012-03-04 01:03:16 AM  

AirForceVet: Oh yeah, it'll open another can of worms


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2012-03-04 01:20:14 AM  
Call me an idealist, but people really shouldn't be sucking on an infant's junk for any reason.
 
2012-03-04 01:38:40 AM  

TsarTom: Call me an idealist, but people really shouldn't be sucking on an infant's junk for any reason.


BUT RELIGION!!!!!!

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm can I found religion where all drugs are legal, prostitution, and gambling is required.
 
2012-03-04 01:41:25 AM  
Religion is a mental illness. Circumcision is mutilation. Put 'em both together, and this is what happens.
 
2012-03-04 01:58:27 AM  
God is really obsessed with wangs.
 
2012-03-04 01:58:28 AM  
Under the practice, the rabbi or mohel removes blood from the wound with his mouth - a practice city health officials have criticized, saying it carried "inherent risks" for babies.

Religion is awesome!!

Hard to believe people stopped sacrificing animals but still put up with this shiat.
 
2012-03-04 02:01:58 AM  
In 2004, three infants circumcised by Rabbi Yitzchok Fischer were determined to have contracted herpes, city officials said.

If a Rabbi's going to go sucking off infants, shouldn't he AT LEAST be tested for STDs?
 
2012-03-04 02:23:11 AM  
Nope nope nope.

/Nope.
 
2012-03-04 03:04:34 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: In 2004, three infants circumcised by Rabbi Yitzchok Fischer were determined to have contracted herpes, city officials said.

If a Rabbi's going to go sucking off infants, shouldn't he AT LEAST be tested for STDs?


If only he believed in Jesus, everything would have been fine.
 
2012-03-04 03:39:51 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Lionel Mandrake: In 2004, three infants circumcised by Rabbi Yitzchok Fischer were determined to have contracted herpes, city officials said.

If a Rabbi's going to go sucking off infants, shouldn't he AT LEAST be tested for STDs?

If only he believed in Jesus, everything would have been fine.


I don't think Christians suck infant cock, but then again, I'm not a Christian.
 
2012-03-04 03:59:28 AM  
In other news, Jerry Sandusky has converted to Judaism.
 
2012-03-04 04:02:45 AM  
Does the Rabbi spit or swallow?
 
2012-03-04 04:13:24 AM  
JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST!
 
2012-03-04 04:54:52 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: I don't think Christians suck infant cock, but then again, I'm not a Christian.


Its only the Catholics who do it. And depending on the denomination of the Christian you ask, Catholics may or may not be considered Christian.
 
2012-03-04 06:28:33 AM  
Atheism is a Religion.
 
2012-03-04 06:32:10 AM  

coco ebert: Under the practice, the rabbi or mohel removes blood from the wound with his mouth - a practice city health officials have criticized, saying it carried "inherent risks" for babies.

:O


which holy book says that it's fine to lick the blood off of someone else body?
 
2012-03-04 06:33:19 AM  
Guy used same instrument to circumcise a guy with herpes beforehand?

*reads article*

Ooookay. Baby cocksucking herpes. Kosher...?
 
2012-03-04 06:34:28 AM  

ShawnDoc: Lionel Mandrake: I don't think Christians suck infant cock, but then again, I'm not a Christian.

Its only the Catholics who do it. And depending on the denomination of the Christian you ask, Catholics may or may not be considered Christian.


Why wouldn't Catholics be Christians? Aren't they the original ones and all the rest are splinter groups off of them.
 
2012-03-04 06:34:57 AM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


*facepalm*

Quit trying to change the topic with your nonsense, troll.
 
HBK
2012-03-04 06:35:25 AM  
I always told my friends in college- never get head from a girl with a cold sore.

/never thought I'd have to worry about rabbis.
 
2012-03-04 06:36:05 AM  
What the... I... who the fark... no. No. No farking words I've got available to adequately explain my curious mixture of bafflement and scorn. Let me know when they build the first colony ship. I want off this damned rock.
 
HBK
2012-03-04 06:37:30 AM  

EvilEgg: ShawnDoc: Lionel Mandrake: I don't think Christians suck infant cock, but then again, I'm not a Christian.

Its only the Catholics who do it. And depending on the denomination of the Christian you ask, Catholics may or may not be considered Christian.

Why wouldn't Catholics be Christians? Aren't they the original ones and all the rest are splinter groups off of them.


Yes. Catholics are the original Christians. If not for Catholics there would be no Lutherans, Baptists, et al. In fact, the Methodists still say "I believe in the Catholic Church" or some variance in their prayers.
 
2012-03-04 06:37:43 AM  
Ed Finnerty: People, and the Gods is they invent are really obsessed with wangs.

FTFY
 
2012-03-04 06:40:51 AM  
Problem is they used twitchy the mohel.

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2012-03-04 06:41:44 AM  
I'm surprised so many people didn't know about this practice.
 
2012-03-04 06:42:37 AM  
YAY we get to bash religion!

/could be worse
 
2012-03-04 06:44:58 AM  
...Words cannot describe....the amount of hatred I have right now. I just can't love and tolerate this.

/I've seen neonatal herpes encephalitis. Intractable Seizures. Horrid way to die.
 
2012-03-04 06:45:32 AM  

NicoFinn: I'm surprised so many people didn't know about this practice.


That's right. Everyone should know by now just how batshiat crazy religion makes people.
 
2012-03-04 06:45:51 AM  
DRTFT or TFA, guessing it's when the dude sucked the blood off the baby's dick...reading TFA now...

Yup. Crazy farkers. religion needs to die.
 
2012-03-04 06:46:45 AM  
letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

According to the US Census, so is Jedi and Sith. Why won't you accept that Obi Wan Kenobi died for your sins, letrole?
 
2012-03-04 06:47:14 AM  

BurnShrike: NicoFinn: I'm surprised so many people didn't know about this practice.

That's right. Everyone should know by now just how batshiat crazy religion makes people.


Not exactly the angle I meant, but now that you put it that way. Required reading (new window)?
 
2012-03-04 06:48:08 AM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


Le Troll is your surname.
 
2012-03-04 06:50:07 AM  

HBK: Yes. Catholics are the original Christians. If not for Catholics there would be no Lutherans, Baptists, et al. In fact, the Methodists still say "I believe in the Catholic Church" or some variance in their prayers.


Whereas Christians will say they believe in Jesus.

Catholics worship many things -- Mary, Saints, Relics, the Church itself. If you pray to Mary, you worship her. If you pray to saints, you worship them. If you have faith in some some bone fragment or burial shroud, you worship it.
 
2012-03-04 06:51:40 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: That mohel was doing it wrong: The stated purpose of metziza tradition is to protect the child's health.
Mohels still perform the suction to keep to the Talmudic tradition, but not with direct oral contact rather via a sterile tube that has one way suction.

As for those who object to circumcision as a barbaric custom, Tziporah agrees.
It's our religion and our covenant.


Just like you cannot have illegal stipulations in a contract, you cannot have illegal rules in your religion. Last time I checked, maiming was illegal.
 
2012-03-04 06:51:57 AM  
No, I really couldn't have guessed, subby.
 
2012-03-04 06:52:20 AM  

BronyMedic: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

According to the US Census, so is Jedi and Sith. Why won't you accept that Obi Wan Kenobi died for your sins, letrole?


I don't want to. I have free will. I'm sure you think have some sort of point there.
 
2012-03-04 06:53:54 AM  

NicoFinn: I'm surprised so many people didn't know about this practice.


Yeah, same. I saw the headline and knew exactly what it was talking about. That's farked, man.

If we're going to turn this into a circumcision thread, I'd just like to point out that I don't care if people do it, but the guys involved should be able to choose whether to do it or not later in life, rather than having it forced upon them before they even know their name.

If it's a religious thread, I'll just say that many things would be a lot simpler if there was no religion. Life would probably be quite a bit nicer, too.

/think I covered all the bases
//this guy should have never gotten on the diamond
 
2012-03-04 06:55:17 AM  

buckler: DRTFT or TFA, guessing it's when the dude sucked the blood off the baby's dick...reading TFA now...

Yup. Crazy farkers. religion needs to die.


No sh*t.
I've attended a bris but never saw the sucking of blood. This is just insane, but hey, I'm a shiksa and don't really understand.
 
2012-03-04 06:56:37 AM  

NicoFinn: I'm surprised so many people didn't know about this practice.


It's not like this is the first time this procedure has been discussed on Fark. It's how I was able to accurately guess the question posed by the headline.

Because (judeo-christian false) god (that doesn't exist) knows I would not have heard about such a practice otherwise.

/born catholic, got out of that game a long time ago
 
2012-03-04 07:03:45 AM  
There must be some kind of solution for this jewish problem.
/wait that doesn't sound right.
 
2012-03-04 07:03:59 AM  
letrole: I don't want to. I have free will. I'm sure you think have some sort of point there.

No, you have the illusion of free will, while in reality being guided by your anger and vitriol. Fear and anger lead to the dark side. Lead to suffering and destruction. Let go of your hatred, letrole, and come back to the Light. Search your feelings, you know it to be true. Allow the force to guide your life.
 
2012-03-04 07:04:29 AM  
This reminds me.... I need to get re-circumcised.
I think it grew back.
 
2012-03-04 07:04:55 AM  
Tatsuma.

What's this all about?

Come give us the lowdown. Please?
 
2012-03-04 07:06:03 AM  
God intelligently designed you in his image. Except that bit of skin on your penis. He got distracted making women's breasts and forgot to finish that part. If you don't hack it off your babies you're reminding God of his bad memory and he'll hate you forever.
 
2012-03-04 07:07:43 AM  
This was done back then for medical reason, and those reasons are still valid today. However, in the vast vast vast majority of cases, they are performed through sterile tubes, and not directly with the mouth, in order to prevent situations like this.

This is of course an incredible tragedy, but far from the norm nowadays, as brit milah by a competent mohel is about as safe as it gets, bar the very rare and exceptional tragedy such as this
 
2012-03-04 07:07:48 AM  

cryinoutloud: :
I wonder if he sucks it, or just gently laps it up. Because I don't want to know either way.


Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes.
 
2012-03-04 07:11:27 AM  
You know, I when I hear about a weird new profession, I imagine introducing myself to someone at a party:

Them: "So, Honest Bender, what do you do for a living?"
Me: "I suck on bleeding infant dick."

No thank you. I'd rather do damn near anything else.
 
2012-03-04 07:11:36 AM  
Tatsuma: This is of course an incredible tragedy, but far from the norm nowadays, as brit milah by a competent mohel is about as safe as it gets, bar the very rare and exceptional tragedy such as this

Yeah, you know. Perfectly safe. Except the horrendous pain the infant experiences when being circumcised without even local anesthetic, scarring, infection, and loss of function that can occur.

You know, since we're on that note, why are Mohels performing a surgical procedure which is done when medically indicated in a surgical suite under general anesthetic, again?

/not against circumcision in general, just against someone without the initials "M.D." behind their name performing it.
//It's not the biblical age, Tats. Why must infants suffer?
 
2012-03-04 07:12:26 AM  

Tatsuma: This was done back then for medical reason, and those reasons are still valid today. However, in the vast vast vast majority of cases, they are performed through sterile tubes, and not directly with the mouth, in order to prevent situations like this.

This is of course an incredible tragedy, but far from the norm nowadays, as brit milah by a competent mohel is about as safe as it gets, bar the very rare and exceptional tragedy such as this


That's also assuming you don't think "mutilating an unwilling infant" is a tragedy.
 
2012-03-04 07:13:02 AM  

Tatsuma: This was done back then for medical reason, and those reasons are still valid today. However, in the vast vast vast majority of cases, they are performed through sterile tubes, and not directly with the mouth, in order to prevent situations like this.

This is of course an incredible tragedy, but far from the norm nowadays, as brit milah by a competent mohel is about as safe as it gets, bar the very rare and exceptional tragedy such as this


Huh. Interestingish. Is there any system in place to ensure that rabbis performing this procedure are disease-free?
 
2012-03-04 07:13:40 AM  
Fair_Poopsmith: Huh. Interestingish. Is there any system in place to ensure that rabbis performing this procedure are disease-free?

I don't even think that Rabbis that do it have to be physicians.
 
2012-03-04 07:14:43 AM  
God made the world and it was good, except the part that would require man to intervene into the physical workings of the human body in order to properly operate in this God created world.

/please put your penance in the offering plate
//please continue to muck up the Eden of Earth with all your man-made industrially polluting rationalities.
 
2012-03-04 07:16:35 AM  

Yogimus: YAY we get to bash religion!

/could be worse


I'm going to set up a temple to Moloch and sacrifice children.

Don't criticize me or you're "bashing religion!!"
 
2012-03-04 07:17:44 AM  
Soooooo, how many more babies are the authorities going to let this guy infect or kill? Cause, maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything about charges being brought against him.

By the way, subby, you win, because never in a million years would I have believed it.
 
2012-03-04 07:17:48 AM  

BronyMedic: You know, since we're on that note, why are Mohels performing a surgical procedure which is done when medically indicated in a surgical suite under general anesthetic, again?


Do you realize that many doctors are trained by professional mohelim? Also that mohelim are considered to be much better than doctors at this particular surgery most of the time?

/not against circumcision in general, just against someone without the initials "M.D." behind their name performing it.This article is a fairly good explanation as to why

BronyMedic: Yeah, you know. Perfectly safe. Except the horrendous pain the infant experiences when being circumcised without even local anesthetic, scarring, infection, and loss of function that can occur.


Except that it's not "horrendously" painful. They stop crying almost immediately. In the last years, there's barely a month where I don't go to one circumcision. Often, more than once. The baby cries for a few seconds, and it's over. Scarring and infection are quite rare, and I'm not going to go into that 'loss of function' discussion.
 
2012-03-04 07:18:20 AM  
i was circumcised in that hospital.
 
2012-03-04 07:19:10 AM  
hey, circumcision is a good look.. regardless of religion.

but keep your mouth of my kids bleeding dick, weirdo
 
2012-03-04 07:19:54 AM  
This story is hard to swallow.

/circumcision is unnecessary. Done for religion / tradition.

//chose not to do it to my babby. I couldnt imagine unnecessarily making him cry and suffer (vs, say, immunizations). Parents not amused.
 
2012-03-04 07:20:34 AM  
letrole: I don't want to. I have free will. I'm sure you think have some sort of point there.

BronyMedic: No, you have the illusion of free will, while in reality being guided by your anger and vitriol. Fear and anger lead to the dark side. Lead to suffering and destruction. Let go of your hatred, letrole, and come back to the Light. Search your feelings, you know it to be true. Allow the force to guide your life.

A big problem is that your religion is composed only of converts. Since members can't get laid, they can't have children to bring up in the faith.
 
2012-03-04 07:20:40 AM  

Fair_Poopsmith: Huh. Interestingish. Is there any system in place to ensure that rabbis performing this procedure are disease-free?


Generally there is, and this is absolutely something that you can inquire, and most mohelim gets regular shots against diseases such as hepatitis and so on. They can provide medical records showing that as well if you ask.

A mohel with herpes would be someone who just caught it recently and did not realize it yet, it would have to be invisible otherwise they certainly would be disqualified as a mohel the second it showed. Certainly with the mouth, and even with the tube. They themselves will stop in general.

There are very very very few communities that still use the mouth as the generally used method, the vast vast majority use the tube method.
 
2012-03-04 07:21:00 AM  

Tatsuma: This was done back then for medical reason, and those reasons are still valid today.


What reason, and why is it still valid?
 
2012-03-04 07:21:15 AM  

BronyMedic: Fair_Poopsmith: Huh. Interestingish. Is there any system in place to ensure that rabbis performing this procedure are disease-free?

I don't even think that Rabbis that do it have to be physicians.


No, just hungry.
 
2012-03-04 07:21:49 AM  
Natural selection. Parents unwilling to join the modern world are the cause. If they didn't ask for this kind of thing the penis sucking rabbi would have to earn money a different way. Can't really blame him. Probably didnt even know he had the herp - asymptomatic carrier.

Incorporate new knowledge or fail to pass on genes.
 
2012-03-04 07:23:17 AM  
For those who are interested into an in-depth article about this, the Orthodox Union produced a good one

Also you will notice this:

The New York State Department of Health recently formulated the following solution to the metzizah b'peh controversy. The agreed-upon solution is to permit a subsequent metzitzah after situation 5 takes place only if the mohel takes preventive anti-herpes medication on the day of the brit milah and for at least three days before it.

I will require this from the mohel of my children. This, and the tube.
 
2012-03-04 07:23:54 AM  
I... I... it... wh... GAH! So not right. It's a religion thing, I get that, but we do have things like gauze, and sterilization, and those little vacuums that they use to suck up blood.
 
2012-03-04 07:24:03 AM  

buckler: What reason, and why is it still valid?


Just read the articles I posted in my last post.
 
2012-03-04 07:24:10 AM  

Tatsuma: I'm not going to go into that 'loss of function' discussion.


How about the "maiming a child who is unable to consent" discussion?

With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.
 
2012-03-04 07:25:02 AM  

BurnShrike: How about the "maiming a child who is unable to consent" discussion?


Are you against piercing ears of children as well?
 
2012-03-04 07:25:26 AM  

Tatsuma: For those who are interested into an in-depth article about this, the Orthodox Union produced a good one

Also you will notice this:

The New York State Department of Health recently formulated the following solution to the metzizah b'peh controversy. The agreed-upon solution is to permit a subsequent metzitzah after situation 5 takes place only if the mohel takes preventive anti-herpes medication on the day of the brit milah and for at least three days before it.

I will require this from the mohel of my children. This, and the tube.


And why not just dispense with the dick-sucking, tube or not, and smear some antibiotic gel on the wound if the circumcision is deemed necessary?
 
2012-03-04 07:25:52 AM  

Tatsuma: BurnShrike: How about the "maiming a child who is unable to consent" discussion?

Are you against piercing ears of children as well?


Piercing ears doesn't permanently remove a functional part of their body.
 
2012-03-04 07:26:04 AM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


you don't even try anymore
 
2012-03-04 07:28:34 AM  
a blow job ending in death is still a blow job.

/you'd appreciate this if you had my girlfriend.
 
2012-03-04 07:28:36 AM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: /born catholic


This is not possible. Free your mind.
 
2012-03-04 07:28:53 AM  
 
2012-03-04 07:29:22 AM  

JudgeMuttonChops: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

you don't even try anymore


I'm going to cut up my son's dick in the name of Darwin.
 
2012-03-04 07:29:31 AM  
i feel bad saying this but if you want some guy to suck your infants penis in order to worship a zombie well then....

if a satanic priest or whatever had performed the exact same actions in their ceremony they would probably be awaiting sexual assault/manslaughterish type charges
 
2012-03-04 07:30:02 AM  

Amos Quito: My position? If y'all want to hack away at your sons' img.fark.com for the sake of your silly religious superstitions, go for it.


I disagree. If adult males of sound mind and legal capacity of their own bodies wish to consent to the rules of their religion, then circumcision, like any body modification, shall be readily available. I oppose infant circumcision on the same grounds that I oppose ear piercing of extremely young girls. It's a stupid, cruel, involuntary practice. Stop harming your children for the sake of your imagined ideal.
 
2012-03-04 07:30:08 AM  

buckler: And why not just dispense with the dick-sucking, tube or not, and smear some antibiotic gel on the wound if the circumcision is deemed necessary?


I'm a religious fundamentalist, hear me roar

BurnShrike: Piercing ears doesn't permanently remove a functional part of their body.


Functionality implies necessity. This is not a necessary part of the body.
 
2012-03-04 07:31:14 AM  

eventhelosers: i feel bad saying this but if you want some guy to suck your infants penis in order to worship a zombie well then....


... we're not xians.
 
2012-03-04 07:31:33 AM  
furthermore, if your Rabbi has sores on his mouth, don't let him suck your child's dick.
 
2012-03-04 07:31:59 AM  

Hetfield: Here'shiatchens


I lol'd.
 
2012-03-04 07:32:41 AM  
Oy Vey! אױ װײ

/at least he'll go to Jewish heaven
//the baby not the Rabbi
 
2012-03-04 07:32:42 AM  
"Hey rabbi, try not to suck any dick on your way through the synagogue."

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2012-03-04 07:33:27 AM  
I'm honestly surprised this is news to anyone.
I'm not even Jewish and I've heard of Orthodox mohels doing this.

Still, it's incredibly sad that a baby lost his life over this.
 
2012-03-04 07:34:35 AM  

eventhelosers: i feel bad saying this but if you want some guy to suck your infants penis in order to worship a zombie well then....

if a satanic priest or whatever had performed the exact same actions in their ceremony they would probably be awaiting sexual assault/manslaughterish type charges


...and that's what I wonder about. There seems to be a hazy admixture of "religious freedom" and "child sexual abuse" that I can't quite untangle here.
 
2012-03-04 07:34:41 AM  
@HBK, "Methodists still say "I believe in the Catholic Church" or some variance in their prayers."

That would be "We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church."
Note that "catholic" is lowercase. "catholic" means "all-embracing" or "universal". This is not to be confused with a statement of allegiance to the Roman Catholic Church or the Pope, who of course you disagree with on a bunch of doctrinal points if you're a Methodist or a Lutheran.

For those of you who were "raised by wolves" as my wife claims to have been, the context is the Nicene Creed, a statement of faith that came out of one of the Councils of Nicaea, a series of meetings of the International Jesus Fan Club that started in AD 325.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
 
2012-03-04 07:34:50 AM  

AndreMA: I thought it was supposed to be an important rite of religious passage... and nobody is sure who performed it?


You don't understand, there were so many different mouths present that day. Maybe they took turns.
 
2012-03-04 07:35:44 AM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


Oh, Holy Darwin! You are sooooo farking predictable, and soooooooo farking booooooooooooriiiiiiing.

There's plenty of really rather entertaining trolls on fark. You're just not one of them.
 
2012-03-04 07:37:22 AM  

uttertosh: There's plenty of really rather entertaining trolls on fark. You're just not one of them.


Yet you responded. You lose.
 
2012-03-04 07:37:42 AM  

Tatsuma: BurnShrike: Piercing ears doesn't permanently remove a functional part of their body.

Functionality implies necessity. This is not a necessary part of the body.


So now you're deciding for the child which parts of their body you deem necessary? And what exactly do you mean by "necessary"? Ear lobes are entirely unnecessary. Would you be okay with someone making the decision for you that you don't need them and to cut them off?
 
2012-03-04 07:38:01 AM  
Oral suction?! What. The. FARK?!?!
 
2012-03-04 07:38:17 AM  

AndreMA: the perpetrator who has already been moved to another parish-equivalent by the bishop-equivalent, a trick they picked up from the Catholics.


Yeah that's not how the Jewish world works, sorry.
 
2012-03-04 07:38:50 AM  

Mugato: "Hey rabbi, try not to suck any dick on your way through the synagogue."

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Ha!
I wonder how they train for this task?
 
2012-03-04 07:39:14 AM  
Also I have to say, those of you who ascribe sexualized intentions to a medical procedure on a 8 days old toddler have big big problems and I wouldn't let you around my children without supervision.
 
2012-03-04 07:39:19 AM  
"the Jewish world".

I lol'd.
 
2012-03-04 07:39:22 AM  
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"I could have been a kosher butcher like my brother. The money's good. There's a union,
with benefits. And, cows have no families. You make a mistake with a cow, you move on with your life..."
 
2012-03-04 07:39:50 AM  

Hetfield: Here'shiatchens face-raping a rabbi who thinks genital mutilation is a topic for humor


Great video. Thanks for posting it.
 
2012-03-04 07:40:05 AM  

BurnShrike: So now you're deciding for the child which parts of their body you deem necessary?


You're the one who said it was a 'functional' part of the body.

And my point is that no, this is not a 'functional' part of the body that's needed at all to have a 100% functioning body.
 
2012-03-04 07:40:09 AM  
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2012-03-04 07:40:22 AM  

make me some tea: I want to vomit.

 
2012-03-04 07:40:48 AM  

Tatsuma: Also I have to say, those of you who ascribe sexualized intentions to a medical procedure on a 8 days old toddler have big big problems and I wouldn't let you around my children without supervision.


Some guy wants to put his mouth on a child's penis, but we're the perverts for thinking it's strange? You really have a twisted view of things.

Again I'll say: With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.
 
2012-03-04 07:41:33 AM  

BurnShrike: Great video. Thanks for posting it.


Glad you enjoyed it.
 
2012-03-04 07:44:27 AM  

Tatsuma: BurnShrike: Piercing ears doesn't permanently remove a functional part of their body.

Functionality implies necessity. This is not a necessary part of the body.


And this is not a necessary procedure as performed. If suction is needed, there are many fine machines that could do the job well in a sterile fashion that doesn't require the lips of a bearded hairy man.
 
2012-03-04 07:44:51 AM  

Tatsuma: BurnShrike: So now you're deciding for the child which parts of their body you deem necessary?

You're the one who said it was a 'functional' part of the body.

And my point is that no, this is not a 'functional' part of the body that's needed at all to have a 100% functioning body.


Citation need. Where's your evidence that it's not needed for a "100% functioning body". By that statement you'd be fine with cutting off people's noses. You could still breathe and smell things. Your body would be 100% functioning.

Or how about splashing acid in someone's face? Everything still functions; you're just a little disfigured. It's even done in the name of religion, because God wants it. So it should be fine, right?

Who the fark are you to inflict a permanent disfigurement onto an innocent child?

You truly have a warped sense of morality if you can come in here and try to defend your barbaric practices.
 
2012-03-04 07:44:58 AM  
You are correct, I didn't see that coming. I can only hope with my bad memory that this will fade fast.

Seriously, WTF!?

Why would anyone want someone's mouth on their infants dick? Seriously, WTF!?
 
2012-03-04 07:45:36 AM  

BurnShrike: Tatsuma: Also I have to say, those of you who ascribe sexualized intentions to a medical procedure on a 8 days old toddler have big big problems and I wouldn't let you around my children without supervision.

Some guy wants to put his mouth on a child's penis, but we're the perverts for thinking it's strange? You really have a twisted view of things.

Again I'll say: With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.


If thats the context you come up with, then yes.

Look, any procedure, even a noninvasive one will involve some degree of risk.
 
2012-03-04 07:45:40 AM  
People keep cutting them off, but mother nature just keeps popping boys out with a foreskin attached. Maybe, just maybe, she's trying to tell us something?

Oh, and this rabbi, and any other that sucks off a little kid, ought to be charged with molestation and put on the registered sex offenders' list. Religion be damned; there has to be a line drawn where people can't hide behind "freedom of religion", and this is an example of crossing that line. Frankly, the same should go for circumcision in general. Because of how difficult it is to surgically restore a foreskin, I think performing circumcision on a person incapable of consenting should be outlawed. It's not like the so-called sexual health benefits are going to be needed by a young child, anyway. If a kid reaches 16 or so, fully understanding the pain and consequences, and still wants to be circumcised, then so be it. I don't believe in the "well if they wait until they're older, it will be far more painful" bullcrap some people excuse infant circumcision with, either. Pain happens, and we all have to deal with some pretty severe pain in our lives.
 
2012-03-04 07:45:49 AM  

kemosabe: You are correct, I didn't see that coming. I can only hope with my bad memory that this will fade fast.

Seriously, WTF!?

Why would anyone want someone's mouth on their infants dick? Seriously, WTF!?


One word: religion.
 
2012-03-04 07:46:14 AM  

BurnShrike: Some guy wants to put his mouth on a child's penis, but we're the perverts for thinking it's strange? You really have a twisted view of things.


Again, the mere fact that you think he wants, has a desire to, shows just how your own mind is perverted in many ways.

This was established as a medical procedure (in times when oral herpes was not common) in order to make sure the life of a child was not needlessly endangered by the circumcision. Now, since today we have in fact other methods to do this, and there is an increased risk of infection, the vast majority of people perform metzitzah peh with a tube rather than their mouth

Again, I posted a very long and detailed article about this earlier.
 
2012-03-04 07:47:09 AM  

kemosabe: You are correct, I didn't see that coming. I can only hope with my bad memory that this will fade fast.

Seriously, WTF!?

Why would anyone want someone's mouth on their infants dick? Seriously, WTF!?


Really. The Catholics get in trouble when they do it. Not fair..
 
2012-03-04 07:47:43 AM  

LinaBo: I think performing circumcision on a person incapable of consenting should be outlawed.


It's already outlawed. It's expressly against the Geneva Convention of Human Rights. It's one of those things that's conveniently ignored though.
 
2012-03-04 07:47:48 AM  
y'all are f'n crazy...every single one of you
 
2012-03-04 07:48:20 AM  

buckler: And this is not a necessary procedure as performed. If suction is needed, there are many fine machines that could do the job well in a sterile fashion that doesn't require the lips of a bearded hairy man.


Agreed on both point. It is not a necessary procedure as performed, there can indeed be machines and tubes that can do a perfectly good job and requires no contact at all, and this is in fact how it is performed now in the vast vast majority of the Orthodox world.

I have been to possibly 60-70 of those over the years, easily, and I have never seen someone do it with the mouth. And I don't exactly hang out with the more lenient crowd either.
 
2012-03-04 07:50:08 AM  
I guessed correctly. What do I get?

Goyim here, with a head full of useless knowledge...
 
2012-03-04 07:50:25 AM  

LinaBo: People keep cutting them off, but mother nature just keeps popping boys out with a foreskin attached. Maybe, just maybe, she's trying to tell us something?

Oh, and this rabbi, and any other that sucks off a little kid, ought to be charged with molestation and put on the registered sex offenders' list. Religion be damned; there has to be a line drawn where people can't hide behind "freedom of religion", and this is an example of crossing that line. Frankly, the same should go for circumcision in general. Because of how difficult it is to surgically restore a foreskin, I think performing circumcision on a person incapable of consenting should be outlawed. It's not like the so-called sexual health benefits are going to be needed by a young child, anyway. If a kid reaches 16 or so, fully understanding the pain and consequences, and still wants to be circumcised, then so be it. I don't believe in the "well if they wait until they're older, it will be far more painful" bullcrap some people excuse infant circumcision with, either. Pain happens, and we all have to deal with some pretty severe pain in our lives.


Because you have a warped, oversexualized brain, other people should change their ways. Hmmmmmm

Because you think consent is necessary, you think a religious event done on the 8th day should be decided on by the person as an adult. Well, heres the thing. You will be impacted by which school your parents send you to, what they have you wear, what they name you, etc.
 
2012-03-04 07:50:32 AM  

BurnShrike: It's already outlawed. It's expressly against the Geneva Convention of Human Rights. It's one of those things that's conveniently ignored though.


now that's just ridiculous
 
2012-03-04 07:50:36 AM  
This just proves what I have been saying to my husband: because I love you, no beej.
 
2012-03-04 07:51:09 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: Because you have a warped, oversexualized brain, other people should change their ways. Hmmmmmm


Indeed.

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, but a lot of people in this thread are very very creepy.
 
2012-03-04 07:52:02 AM  

Tatsuma: BurnShrike: Some guy wants to put his mouth on a child's penis, but we're the perverts for thinking it's strange? You really have a twisted view of things.

Again, the mere fact that you think he wants, has a desire to, shows just how your own mind is perverted in many ways.

This was established as a medical procedure (in times when oral herpes was not common) in order to make sure the life of a child was not needlessly endangered by the circumcision. Now, since today we have in fact other methods to do this, and there is an increased risk of infection, the vast majority of people perform metzitzah peh with a tube rather than their mouth

Again, I posted a very long and detailed article about this earlier.


So God made him do it? If he didn't have the desire to do it, then the impetus to put his mouth on a child's penis must've come from somewhere else. Where did it come from?

Who's the pervert, the one who makes you put a child's penis in your mouth? or the guy who actually follows through and does it?
 
2012-03-04 07:52:26 AM  
Oh and one of those famous cases, from 2005 (yes they are rare enough that we can pinpoint specific cases and years), after autopsy and further tests, it was determined that the Rabbi was in fact perfectly healthy, and that the baby got the herpes from the mother.
 
2012-03-04 07:52:41 AM  

Tatsuma: Also I have to say, those of you who ascribe sexualized intentions to a medical procedure on a 8 days old toddler have big big problems and I wouldn't let you around my children without supervision.


There is no medical reason for an adult to place their mouth on the genitals of an infant. Perhaps there used to be, but as you yourself said, there are now devices that do this and that are perfectly religiously acceptable.

Therefore we have a man sucking on the dick of an infant for non-medical and non-religious reasons. How in *any* philosophy is this not an unacceptable perversion??
 
2012-03-04 07:53:09 AM  

Tatsuma: And my point is that no, this is not a 'functional' part of the body that's needed at all to have a 100% functioning body.


Circumcision decreases penile sensitivity, so yes, the foreskin is necessary for a person to have a "100% functional body."
 
2012-03-04 07:53:26 AM  

Tatsuma: BurnShrike: So now you're deciding for the child which parts of their body you deem necessary?

You're the one who said it was a 'functional' part of the body.

And my point is that no, this is not a 'functional' part of the body that's needed at all to have a 100% functioning body.


Neither is your appendix. Medically speaking, we don't go around cutting off body parts just because someone thinks its a good idea.

And the foreskin IS functional.
 
2012-03-04 07:53:39 AM  

Tatsuma: Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, but a lot of people in this thread are very very creepy.


Forgive them. This is something that's very foreign to them and they can't imagine a context where a grown man would put a baby's penis in his mouth and have it not be sexual.
 
2012-03-04 07:54:25 AM  

BurnShrike: So God made him do it? If he didn't have the desire to do it, then the impetus to put his mouth on a child's penis must've come from somewhere else. Where did it come from?


I am not having this discussion anymore with you. I have both explained this, and linked to a thorough explanation. You clearly do not care discussing this, just bashing.

So bash away, I'm done.

Who's the pervert, the one who makes you put a child's penis in your mouth? or the guy who actually follows through and does it?

The one who sexualizes it.
 
2012-03-04 07:54:40 AM  
Some people will sure go far in trying to excuse taking a knife to a child's genitals.

Disgusting.
 
2012-03-04 07:55:11 AM  

Tatsuma: buckler: And this is not a necessary procedure as performed. If suction is needed, there are many fine machines that could do the job well in a sterile fashion that doesn't require the lips of a bearded hairy man.

Agreed on both point. It is not a necessary procedure as performed, there can indeed be machines and tubes that can do a perfectly good job and requires no contact at all, and this is in fact how it is performed now in the vast vast majority of the Orthodox world.

I have been to possibly 60-70 of those over the years, easily, and I have never seen someone do it with the mouth. And I don't exactly hang out with the more lenient crowd either.


Yokes on you. Hesus Crust fulfilled all your silly documents like a zillion years ago, so now everyone has a pony and drinks ice cream from the tap.

I don't agree with circumcision in general. I recognize that I can't change your mind on the matter. I don't think there is any reason for infant circumcision amongst the outsiders to your faith.
 
2012-03-04 07:55:17 AM  
At least the kid didn't die a virgin.
 
2012-03-04 07:55:48 AM  
Also, Tatsuma, you've been around here long enough to know how contentious circumcision threads are around here. Combine that with the anti-religion attitude that's rife on Fark/TF, and it's really no surprise how this thread's gone.
 
2012-03-04 07:56:28 AM  
Discussing the safety aspects of an immoral, brutal and barbaric procedure just serves to deflect from the immoral, brutal and barbaric nature of said procedure.

Don't do this.
 
2012-03-04 07:56:47 AM  

ryarger: Tatsuma: Also I have to say, those of you who ascribe sexualized intentions to a medical procedure on a 8 days old toddler have big big problems and I wouldn't let you around my children without supervision.

There is no medical reason for an adult to place their mouth on the genitals of an infant. Perhaps there used to be, but as you yourself said, there are now devices that do this and that are perfectly religiously acceptable.

Therefore we have a man sucking on the dick of an infant for non-medical and non-religious reasons. How in *any* philosophy is this not an unacceptable perversion??


You're probably talking about the circumcision clamps. They're not kosher.
 
2012-03-04 07:56:49 AM  

Tatsuma: I have been to possibly 60-70 of those over the years, easily


I can relate. When I was 18-early 20s I must have put a dozen strippers through college. We all have our things.
 
2012-03-04 07:57:32 AM  

ryarger: There is no medical reason for an adult to place their mouth on the genitals of an infant. Perhaps there used to be, but as you yourself said, there are now devices that do this and that are perfectly religiously acceptable.

Therefore we have a man sucking on the dick of an infant for non-medical and non-religious reasons. How in *any* philosophy is this not an unacceptable perversion??


There is a medical reason to do metzitzah peh, it's just that today it is considered dangerous due to new risks of infection, therefore the best way to do it is with a tube, or with a device that will pump the blood for you.

That does not change the fact that it's absolutely not an 'unacceptable perversion'.

shivashakti: Forgive them. This is something that's very foreign to them and they can't imagine a context where a grown man would put a baby's penis in his mouth and have it not be sexual.


I guess so.

Also every day I go to a mikveh, where there are at least a dozen naked men present as well. I'm guessing that they'd sexualize something like that as well.

It's quite impressive to see the shift from a purely puritan society where sex is not mentioned, to a society where the boundaries are now so far that almost everything is sexualized.
 
2012-03-04 07:57:49 AM  

Tatsuma: Functionality implies necessity. This is not a necessary part of the body.


There's a macabre humor involved in reading this excuse for amputating parts of childrens' bodies. How far shall we run with this? I'm betting we don't need external ears, either.
 
2012-03-04 07:58:50 AM  

shivashakti: Also, Tatsuma, you've been around here long enough to know how contentious circumcision threads are around here. Combine that with the anti-religion attitude that's rife on Fark/TF, and it's really no surprise how this thread's gone.


It's early the day, just wait. This thread has so much potential. Tatsuma knows what he is getting in to.
 
2012-03-04 07:58:51 AM  

BurnShrike: LinaBo: I think performing circumcision on a person incapable of consenting should be outlawed.

It's already outlawed. It's expressly against the Geneva Convention of Human Rights. It's one of those things that's conveniently ignored though.


Again, it's that hazy area between "religious freedom" and "right not to be mutilated while unable to consent". I get the whole "God's commandment to show you're on my team" thing, but it just seems like a really bizarre thing to command. I'm certainly no expert in Judaica, of course, but I can kind of grok having a self-sacrificial mark in a secret place that passersby won't notice, but foreskin-removal is a weird damned way to go about it. How about, say, a pair of slits if need be, or a brand on the taint or somesuch? I guess neither of those are too much weirder, though. I suppose trying to make religion make sense is a waste of time in any event.
 
2012-03-04 07:59:54 AM  

BurnShrike: Who's the pervert, the one who makes you put a child's penis in your mouth? or the guy who actually follows through and does it?


Was that Obi Wan's line? Did they change it for the special edition?
 
2012-03-04 08:00:03 AM  

casual disregard: . I don't think there is any reason for infant circumcision amongst the outsiders to your faith.


Agreed. It's a purely religious event, and is absolutely not necessary for anyone outside of Judaism (or Islam).

shivashakti: Also, Tatsuma, you've been around here long enough to know how contentious circumcision threads are around here. Combine that with the anti-religion attitude that's rife on Fark/TF, and it's really no surprise how this thread's gone.


Oh, I'm used to people bashing circumcision and religion. I'm just creeped out by those bringing a sexual aspect into play
 
2012-03-04 08:00:11 AM  

Tatsuma: BurnShrike: So God made him do it? If he didn't have the desire to do it, then the impetus to put his mouth on a child's penis must've come from somewhere else. Where did it come from?

I am not having this discussion anymore with you. I have both explained this, and linked to a thorough explanation. You clearly do not care discussing this, just bashing.

So bash away, I'm done.


Ah good. At least you realize you can't defend your barbaric practice of mutilation.

"How dare you bash me for defending cutting bits off infants! It's my religious right to chop people up!"

Your ethics have been thoroughly warped by the religion you follow. That you can't see how immoral you are saddens me.
 
2012-03-04 08:00:17 AM  

Tatsuma: Also every day I go to a mikveh, where there are at least a dozen naked men present as well. I'm guessing that they'd sexualize something like that as well.


Okay, I'm not familiar with this. I thought one of the main grievances with Greek-style life was that they were naked practically all the time? Now you're naked at church? I demand that you educate me on this mikveh.
 
2012-03-04 08:00:19 AM  

lizaardvark: Tatsuma: Functionality implies necessity. This is not a necessary part of the body.

There's a macabre humor involved in reading this excuse for amputating parts of childrens' bodies. How far shall we run with this? I'm betting we don't need external ears, either.


And yet, you already are a product of your parents upbringing. They chose your name, your clothes, what school you went to, and what environment you grew up in. They do have every right to make these kinds of decisions for their children.
 
2012-03-04 08:00:22 AM  
Actually, that was my first guess, subby.
Circumcision is for farking retards.
 
2012-03-04 08:00:35 AM  

lizaardvark: Tatsuma: Functionality implies necessity. This is not a necessary part of the body.

There's a macabre humor involved in reading this excuse for amputating parts of childrens' bodies. How far shall we run with this? I'm betting we don't need external ears, either.


I'm not using my pinkie toes. Maybe some old dude can cut them off and suck the blood.
 
2012-03-04 08:01:55 AM  

Tatsuma: ryarger: There is no medical reason for an adult to place their mouth on the genitals of an infant. Perhaps there used to be, but as you yourself said, there are now devices that do this and that are perfectly religiously acceptable.

Therefore we have a man sucking on the dick of an infant for non-medical and non-religious reasons. How in *any* philosophy is this not an unacceptable perversion??

There is a medical reason to do metzitzah peh, it's just that today it is considered dangerous due to new risks of infection, therefore the best way to do it is with a tube, or with a device that will pump the blood for you.

That does not change the fact that it's absolutely not an 'unacceptable perversion'.

shivashakti: Forgive them. This is something that's very foreign to them and they can't imagine a context where a grown man would put a baby's penis in his mouth and have it not be sexual.

I guess so.

Also every day I go to a mikveh, where there are at least a dozen naked men present as well. I'm guessing that they'd sexualize something like that as well.

It's quite impressive to see the shift from a purely puritan society where sex is not mentioned, to a society where the boundaries are now so far that almost everything is sexualized.


I thought you were done arguing this topic on this thread.

Also, if a grown, bearded man basically sucks off an 8 day old infant, the person guilty of sexual immorality in your view is the person who sees/reads this and is creeped the fark out?
Remind me never to accept an invitation to your house.
 
2012-03-04 08:02:00 AM  

Tatsuma: Fair_Poopsmith: Huh. Interestingish. Is there any system in place to ensure that rabbis performing this procedure are disease-free?

Generally there is, and this is absolutely something that you can inquire, and most mohelim gets regular shots against diseases such as hepatitis and so on. They can provide medical records showing that as well if you ask.

A mohel with herpes would be someone who just caught it recently and did not realize it yet, it would have to be invisible otherwise they certainly would be disqualified as a mohel the second it showed. Certainly with the mouth, and even with the tube. They themselves will stop in general.

There are very very very few communities that still use the mouth as the generally used method, the vast vast majority use the tube method.


Okay, just checking. As a fairly anti-religious atheist, I'm okay with this, so long as the Jewish community is aware of any risks. Thanks for clarifying.

The rest of you, what the hell are you so concerned about? Nobody's forcing you to be part of this particular ritual. If you're opposed to circumcision in principle, then you should have been fighting against it regardless.
 
2012-03-04 08:03:04 AM  

casual disregard: Okay, I'm not familiar with this. I thought one of the main grievances with Greek-style life was that they were naked practically all the time? Now you're naked at church? I demand that you educate me on this mikveh.


A mikveh is a ritual bath where men go to be purified. This is where the idea of baptism actually comes from. Only men with men, and women with women, and absolutely in an enclosed space.

That's the difference with the greeks, who worshipped the body, nudity was on display publicly, both male and female, and sexual relations where not within the context of marriage, but the context of 'let's just do it guys'
 
2012-03-04 08:03:25 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Tatsuma: BurnShrike: So now you're deciding for the child which parts of their body you deem necessary?

You're the one who said it was a 'functional' part of the body.

And my point is that no, this is not a 'functional' part of the body that's needed at all to have a 100% functioning body.

Neither is your appendix. Medically speaking, we don't go around cutting off body parts just because someone thinks its a good idea.

And the foreskin IS functional.


Just as an aside, research now seems to indicate that the appendix is a sort of refuge for beneficial bacteria, so that if something should wipe out the intestinal fauna, the appendix will seed a new supply. That's my current understanding at least. Sorry for the minor threadjack. Please continue.
 
2012-03-04 08:04:17 AM  
This is a very inefficient way to kill infants, aren't white phosphorus missiles and airstrikes faster and more reliable?
 
2012-03-04 08:04:28 AM  

Smoking GNU: I thought you were done arguing this topic on this thread.


No, I was done discussing with one person who couldn't be bothered to read what I was writing, or the explanations I was linking to. Not quite the same.

I'm also done with idiots who believe that this is in any way a sexual activity, for the record.
 
2012-03-04 08:05:05 AM  
The best foreskin function anybody can come up with is increased sensitivity? Yeah, because men have such trouble getting off....

What about the medical benefits of removal...such as reduced incidence of infection and decreased likelihood of STD transmission?
 
2012-03-04 08:05:16 AM  
No happy ending here.
 
2012-03-04 08:05:36 AM  

casual disregard: Tatsuma: Also every day I go to a mikveh, where there are at least a dozen naked men present as well. I'm guessing that they'd sexualize something like that as well.

Okay, I'm not familiar with this. I thought one of the main grievances with Greek-style life was that they were naked practically all the time? Now you're naked at church? I demand that you educate me on this mikveh.


The biggest problem Judaism has with Greek philosophy would probably be Epicurism.

Mikvah= ritual bath.
 
2012-03-04 08:05:42 AM  

Tatsuma: casual disregard: Okay, I'm not familiar with this. I thought one of the main grievances with Greek-style life was that they were naked practically all the time? Now you're naked at church? I demand that you educate me on this mikveh.

A mikveh is a ritual bath where men go to be purified. This is where the idea of baptism actually comes from. Only men with men, and women with women, and absolutely in an enclosed space.

That's the difference with the greeks, who worshipped the body, nudity was on display publicly, both male and female, and sexual relations where not within the context of marriage, but the context of 'let's just do it guys'


Mikveh and bris both being religious ceremonies or traditions are not really a good comparison; no one is putting their mouth on your penis at a mikveh.
 
2012-03-04 08:06:21 AM  

Tatsuma: I guess so.

Also every day I go to a mikveh, where there are at least a dozen naked men present as well. I'm guessing that they'd sexualize something like that as well.

It's quite impressive to see the shift from a purely puritan society where sex is not mentioned, to a society where the boundaries are now so far that almost everything is sexualized.



Well, I think that's what happens in puritanical societies. When people aren't used to perfectly normal things like non-sexual nudity, any sort of nudity because sexualized. Look at the hubbub people have about women breastfeeding in public. Feeding their own child.

AbbeySomeone: It's early the day, just wait. This thread has so much potential. Tatsuma knows what he is getting in to.


True...
 
2012-03-04 08:06:36 AM  
I figured Tatsuma would be in here defending his stone age "wisdom".

fark off.
 
2012-03-04 08:06:45 AM  

Tatsuma: words, words, words


Meh.
 
2012-03-04 08:06:50 AM  

Tatsuma: Smoking GNU: I thought you were done arguing this topic on this thread.

No, I was done discussing with one person who couldn't be bothered to read what I was writing, or the explanations I was linking to. Not quite the same.

I'm also done with idiots who believe that this is in any way a sexual activity, for the record.


I don't think it's sexual...just fkn ridiculous.

For the record.
 
2012-03-04 08:07:11 AM  
Well I'm not Jewish but I'm glad they lopped me, only because girls at least here in the States can be freaked out by an uncircumcised member. Besides which, I'm huge as it is so I could stand to have a little taken off the top, I don't want to scare the hell out of everyone. I'm pretty sure no one sucked me off though. Wouldn't a kid have repressed memories of that? It seems like something that would stay with a kid, even if it's in his subconscious.
 
2012-03-04 08:07:30 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Mikveh and bris both being religious ceremonies or traditions are not really a good comparison; no one is putting their mouth on your penis at a mikveh.


No, that'd be a gay bathhouse....
 
2012-03-04 08:07:31 AM  

Tatsuma: Smoking GNU: I thought you were done arguing this topic on this thread.

No, I was done discussing with one person who couldn't be bothered to read what I was writing, or the explanations I was linking to. Not quite the same.

I'm also done with idiots who believe that this is in any way a sexual activity, for the record.


Alright then, i'll just go suck off a bunch of babies and claim it's for medical/religious purposes. That should keep me out of trouble. Thanks for the heads up.

/Yes, i did rape you but i never had any SEXUAL intentions for doing it, so we're cool, right?
//blergh
 
2012-03-04 08:07:31 AM  

Fair_Poopsmith: Okay, just checking. As a fairly anti-religious atheist, I'm okay with this, so long as the Jewish community is aware of any risks. Thanks for clarifying.

The rest of you, what the hell are you so concerned about? Nobody's forcing you to be part of this particular ritual. If you're opposed to circumcision in principle, then you should have been fighting against it regardless.


Posts like this is why you are favorited as a pretty cool dude.

And yes the community is aware of the risks, and literally you have one case every year, where often its not even determined that the mohel caused the death. There are for example problems with the clamp that cuts the umbilical cord is not properly sterilized, which will lead to a staph infection, and creates very similar symptoms to a case where a mohel with herpes would have contaminated the child.

And again this happens maybe once every couple of years or so. It's a tragedy, but also extremely rare.
 
2012-03-04 08:08:32 AM  

Tatsuma: casual disregard: Okay, I'm not familiar with this. I thought one of the main grievances with Greek-style life was that they were naked practically all the time? Now you're naked at church? I demand that you educate me on this mikveh.

A mikveh is a ritual bath where men go to be purified. This is where the idea of baptism actually comes from. Only men with men, and women with women, and absolutely in an enclosed space.

That's the difference with the greeks, who worshipped the body, nudity was on display publicly, both male and female, and sexual relations where not within the context of marriage, but the context of 'let's just do it guys'


So it's sort of like a same-sex sauna with ritual implications.

Got it!

/FWIW I'm probably the only farker who doesn't think you are Mein
//i do hate mein though
 
2012-03-04 08:09:48 AM  
Also, for the people who are oh so worried with infections:


There are literally tens of thousands of Americans every year who die because their doctors or nurses didn't properly wash their hands, versus possibly one child who dies from this every couple of years or so.

As tragic the latter case obviously is, attention should really be focused on the former than the latter, since as a community we're already taking care of that.
 
2012-03-04 08:09:48 AM  
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2012-03-04 08:09:56 AM  

Tatsuma: I'm also done with idiots who believe that this is in any way a sexual activity, for the record.


That's fine, but you realize people here are stigmatized and restricted in their activities for life for much less, like urinating in an alley? That there have been major court cases over a student inadvertently brushing his hand against a tutor's breast? Or even debates about photoshopped images of naked children who never existed? How can you be surprised some might be taken aback by a grown man sucking an infant's penis for whatever reason/
 
2012-03-04 08:10:10 AM  

Tatsuma: Smoking GNU: I thought you were done arguing this topic on this thread.

No, I was done discussing with one person who couldn't be bothered to read what I was writing, or the explanations I was linking to. Not quite the same.

I'm also done with idiots who believe that this is in any way a sexual activity, for the record.


I read part of the article you linked, but I've already heard all the standard excuses for mutilating babies.

And how could anyone possibly think that putting your mouth on someone else's genitals is in any way sexual? Why, just last week I did it 3 times to greet my best buds. It's just like a fist bump, and is in no way sexual.
 
2012-03-04 08:10:39 AM  
Getting your dick sucked by an altar boy is not sexual, it's a religious ritual for catholic priests, so it's alright and people calling it pedophilia are just haters. Amirite?
 
2012-03-04 08:11:52 AM  

casual disregard: /FWIW I'm probably the only farker who doesn't think you are Mein


There's at least... 20 of you out there! Anyone who would use a bit of logic would realize based on clear evidence I'm not him, but whatever I just can't care anymore.
 
2012-03-04 08:12:19 AM  
Did didn't get his shots in time.


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2012-03-04 08:13:21 AM  
Um, well, that's horrific.
 
2012-03-04 08:13:58 AM  

Kar98: Getting your dick sucked by an altar boy is not sexual, it's a religious ritual for catholic priests, so it's alright and people calling it pedophilia are just haters. Amirite?


The ones calling it pedophilia are the true perverts. They're the ones sexualizing perfectly normal behaviour.
 
2012-03-04 08:14:21 AM  

buckler: That's fine, but you realize people here are stigmatized and restricted in their activities for life for much less, like urinating in an alley?


Could it possibly because the courts, where mature adults with intellectual faculty sat down, examined this situation, and realized that clearly, in this situation, there is absolutely no sexual activity when it comes to metzitzah b'peh?

That's also why a doctor touching your child's genital during an examination is not quite the same as your neighbor doing the very same thing.
 
2012-03-04 08:14:29 AM  

Tatsuma: casual disregard: /FWIW I'm probably the only farker who doesn't think you are Mein

There's at least... 20 of you out there! Anyone who would use a bit of logic would realize based on clear evidence I'm not him, but whatever I just can't care anymore.


We should have a beer together sometime. My favorite is Old Rasputin, which is a Russian Imperial Stout. Very tasty.

/i hate hops!
 
2012-03-04 08:14:29 AM  
I wouldn't have guessed, but I'm not surprised.
 
2012-03-04 08:15:09 AM  

casual disregard: We should have a beer together sometime. My favorite is Old Rasputin, which is a Russian Imperial Stout. Very tasty.

/i hate hops!


That sounds good. I'm always partial to stouts, and now I want to drink one of those.
 
2012-03-04 08:16:18 AM  
Now I want to know where I can find one of those in Israel
 
2012-03-04 08:17:05 AM  

BurnShrike: Kar98: Getting your dick sucked by an altar boy is not sexual, it's a religious ritual for catholic priests, so it's alright and people calling it pedophilia are just haters. Amirite?

The ones calling it pedophilia are the true perverts. They're the ones sexualizing perfectly normal behaviour.


Meh. In Pakistan, its normal for parents to kiss the genitals of their infants.

Westerners can't help but attach sexual significance to that as well.
 
2012-03-04 08:17:20 AM  

Tatsuma: casual disregard: We should have a beer together sometime. My favorite is Old Rasputin, which is a Russian Imperial Stout. Very tasty.

/i hate hops!

That sounds good. I'm always partial to stouts, and now I want to drink one of those.


mmm yummy:
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2012-03-04 08:17:20 AM  

buckler: That there have been major court cases over a student inadvertently brushing his hand against a tutor's breast?


yeah, that wasn't inadvertent.
 
2012-03-04 08:17:25 AM  
This is ridiculous. How can I be expected to put in any effort when a circumcision/Tatsuma thread shows up on a Sunday morning?

Tatsuma:

Also every day I go to a mikveh, where there are at least a dozen naked men present as well. I'm guessing that they'd sexualize something like that as well.

It's quite impressive to see the shift from a purely puritan society where sex is not mentioned, to a society where the boundaries are now so far that almost everything is sexualized.


I got to the Y, where i see naked dudes with perfect regularity. The old catholics(Italians and portagee and Irish) and jews are the ones that always go buck no matter what, while the Indian/Asian dudes actually take showers with their underwear on because they are so hung up, and the younger white guys are split down the middle.
 
2012-03-04 08:17:51 AM  

Tatsuma: BurnShrike: Some guy wants to put his mouth on a child's penis, but we're the perverts for thinking it's strange? You really have a twisted view of things.

Again, the mere fact that you think he wants, has a desire to, shows just how your own mind is perverted in many ways.

This was established as a medical procedure (in times when oral herpes was not common) in order to make sure the life of a child was not needlessly endangered by the circumcision. Now, since today we have in fact other methods to do this, and there is an increased risk of infection, the vast majority of people perform metzitzah peh with a tube rather than their mouth

Again, I posted a very long and detailed article about this earlier.


So you agree it's a medical procedure.


Then the correct course of action would be a large number of arrests for practicing medicine without a license...
 
2012-03-04 08:19:32 AM  
"ultra-Orthodox ritual known as metzizah b' peh."

Damn Klingons.
 
2012-03-04 08:19:40 AM  

H31N0US: I figured Tatsuma would be in here defending his stone age "wisdom".

fark off.


You're supposed to say "fark off troll" when you don't share an opinion with somebody. You can also follow up with "welcome to ignore" if you're really awesome.
 
2012-03-04 08:19:51 AM  

casual disregard: Tatsuma: casual disregard: We should have a beer together sometime. My favorite is Old Rasputin, which is a Russian Imperial Stout. Very tasty.

/i hate hops!

That sounds good. I'm always partial to stouts, and now I want to drink one of those.

mmm yummy:
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That looks really good!
 
2012-03-04 08:20:09 AM  

Lehk: Tatsuma: BurnShrike: Some guy wants to put his mouth on a child's penis, but we're the perverts for thinking it's strange? You really have a twisted view of things.

Again, the mere fact that you think he wants, has a desire to, shows just how your own mind is perverted in many ways.

This was established as a medical procedure (in times when oral herpes was not common) in order to make sure the life of a child was not needlessly endangered by the circumcision. Now, since today we have in fact other methods to do this, and there is an increased risk of infection, the vast majority of people perform metzitzah peh with a tube rather than their mouth

Again, I posted a very long and detailed article about this earlier.

So you agree it's a medical procedure.


Then the correct course of action would be a large number of arrests for practicing medicine without a license...


Careful. Don't post difficult arguments to refute. Tats will stop discussions with you because you're "bashing". (Also because he can't justify the mutilations)
 
2012-03-04 08:20:12 AM  

Lehk: Tatsuma: BurnShrike: Some guy wants to put his mouth on a child's penis, but we're the perverts for thinking it's strange? You really have a twisted view of things.

Again, the mere fact that you think he wants, has a desire to, shows just how your own mind is perverted in many ways.

This was established as a medical procedure (in times when oral herpes was not common) in order to make sure the life of a child was not needlessly endangered by the circumcision. Now, since today we have in fact other methods to do this, and there is an increased risk of infection, the vast majority of people perform metzitzah peh with a tube rather than their mouth

Again, I posted a very long and detailed article about this earlier.

So you agree it's a medical procedure.


Then the correct course of action would be a large number of arrests for practicing medicine without a license...


Its not medical. Its sanctioned by G-d.
 
2012-03-04 08:21:39 AM  

9beers: H31N0US: I figured Tatsuma would be in here defending his stone age "wisdom".

fark off.

You're supposed to say "fark off troll" when you don't share an opinion with somebody. You can also follow up with "welcome to ignore" if you're really awesome.


That's old and busted. New version is to tell them what color and description you will farkie them as, or something.
 
2012-03-04 08:23:52 AM  

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.


We wouldn't need the word atheism at all if people didn't believe in make believe shiat.
 
2012-03-04 08:24:23 AM  
 
2012-03-04 08:26:22 AM  

Tatsuma: This is of course an incredible tragedy, but far from the norm nowadays, as brit milah by a competent mohel is about as safe as it gets, bar the very rare and exceptional tragedy such as this


A tragedy is when a tornado hits a house, killing the occupants. A tragedy is when a tsunami wipes a town away. A tragedy is when a child dies from leukemia.

I'm not sure what I would call this utterly preventable happening. Medical malpractice? Child abuse? Reckless endangerment? Negligent homicide?

Yep, I think I'll go with the last one.
 
2012-03-04 08:28:03 AM  

Amos Quito: You Cant Explain That: All I can say it it amazes me the jews were the ones to come up with this and not the catholics.


Judyism is older that Catholycism, and circumcision is older still.


/Jews get infant Herp-a-derp
//Catholics get hang nails


and the C word clocks in with record time

herpaderp
 
2012-03-04 08:28:16 AM  

TsarTom: Call me an idealist, but people really shouldn't be sucking on an infant's junk for any reason.


Snakebite?
 
2012-03-04 08:28:33 AM  

Tatsuma: Now I want to know where I can find one of those in Israel


The best I can tell you is that it is brewed by North Coast Brewery: Link (new window)

How to get it in your nation is up to you. I suspect it's not widely available. Shoot, I only know of one store within a fifteen minute drive that sells it where I live.
 
2012-03-04 08:28:44 AM  
Blah blah blah restricted by age of consent blah, blah blah-blah.
 
2012-03-04 08:30:51 AM  
First off I gotta say that I think this practice is horrible and should die out with the other horrible religious traditions that society has deemed relics of another time. That said, I think one must remember the time and place it started. If those people thought it was holy to cut off the foreskin of a boy then they had to figure out what to do with him afterwards. If sucking the area was the only way they knew to keep it clean then that is what they would do. Its a nonlogical practice that can easily be done away with and most Jews have done so.

link talking about it:
http://www.jewishideas.org/articles/metzitzah-bpeh-oral-law

Stupid religious crap from wiki:
"Rabbi Saadia Gaon considers something to be 'complete', if it lacks nothing, but also has nothing that is unneeded. He regards the foreskin an unneeded organ that God created in man, and so by amputating it, the man is completed."

"Maimonides (Moses ben Maimon "Rambam", CE 1135-1204), who apart from being a great Torah scholar was also a physician and philosopher, argued that circumcision acts to repress sexual pleasure and serves as a common bodily sign to members of the same faith."


/atheist
//grandson of a jew
///cut, cringing at the thought if I was orthodox
 
2012-03-04 08:32:16 AM  

casual disregard: Tatsuma: Now I want to know where I can find one of those in Israel

The best I can tell you is that it is brewed by North Coast Brewery: Link (new window)

How to get it in your nation is up to you. I suspect it's not widely available. Shoot, I only know of one store within a fifteen minute drive that sells it where I live.


Tats, you ever try brewing your own beer?

I did, and the majority of the time, it ended up as what we called "Limburger beer" you might have more luck.
 
2012-03-04 08:32:50 AM  
I need therapy after reading that garbage.
 
2012-03-04 08:33:49 AM  

sharpiegreed: I need therapy after reading that garbage.


You should read the link Tatsuma posted. It explains everything and you'll end up feeling silly that you ever thought there was something wrong with using your mouth to remove a part of a boy's penis.
 
2012-03-04 08:34:26 AM  

Malky: First off I gotta say that I think this practice is horrible and should die out with the other horrible religious traditions that society has deemed relics of another time. That said, I think one must remember the time and place it started. If those people thought it was holy to cut off the foreskin of a boy then they had to figure out what to do with him afterwards. If sucking the area was the only way they knew to keep it clean then that is what they would do. Its a nonlogical practice that can easily be done away with and most Jews have done so.

link talking about it:
http://www.jewishideas.org/articles/metzitzah-bpeh-oral-law

Stupid religious crap from wiki:
"Rabbi Saadia Gaon considers something to be 'complete', if it lacks nothing, but also has nothing that is unneeded. He regards the foreskin an unneeded organ that God created in man, and so by amputating it, the man is completed."

"Maimonides (Moses ben Maimon "Rambam", CE 1135-1204), who apart from being a great Torah scholar was also a physician and philosopher, argued that circumcision acts to repress sexual pleasure and serves as a common bodily sign to members of the same faith."


/atheist
//grandson of a jew
///cut, cringing at the thought if I was orthodox


And somehow, your name is Malky? Something is fishy.
 
2012-03-04 08:35:45 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: casual disregard: Tatsuma: Now I want to know where I can find one of those in Israel

The best I can tell you is that it is brewed by North Coast Brewery: Link (new window)

How to get it in your nation is up to you. I suspect it's not widely available. Shoot, I only know of one store within a fifteen minute drive that sells it where I live.

Tats, you ever try brewing your own beer?

I did, and the majority of the time, it ended up as what we called "Limburger beer" you might have more luck.


I had a coworker who retired recently. She brewed her own beer with her husband. It was a darn sight better than what was commercially available in most places. I unsuccessfully tried to convince them to open their own brewery. They just like making their own stuff for fun. I once joked that it would be simpler to list the things they didn't make on their own.
 
2012-03-04 08:35:51 AM  
I'm an atheist, my son is circumsized and I don't feel guilty about it. I'M A MONSTER!
 
2012-03-04 08:35:52 AM  

Tatsuma: And again this happens maybe once every couple of years or so. It's a tragedy, but also extremely rare.


On the one hand, you almost nobody performs the ritual this way. On the other hand, you say that instances of infection are rare. I think the conclusion here is that infection is statistically significant with this ritual.

The fact is that people are knowingly putting a child at risk by performing a ritual. This is not an adult who can make a choice.

Tragedy is more commonly used to describe an unpreventable event that causes suffering. This was an entirely preventable disease inflicted upon a defenseless person by people knowingly engaging in risky behavior. A more accurate description of this event would be a crime.
 
2012-03-04 08:36:29 AM  
Philistines
 
2012-03-04 08:36:49 AM  
fish can be kosher :D
 
2012-03-04 08:37:40 AM  

dezba: I'm an atheist, my son is circumsized and I don't feel guilty about it. I'M A MONSTER!


My parents decided to cut me. I suppose it's nice having a smegma-free life, but I have to wonder if the sex might have been more fun.
 
2012-03-04 08:38:34 AM  

casual disregard: Diogenes The Cynic: casual disregard: Tatsuma: Now I want to know where I can find one of those in Israel

The best I can tell you is that it is brewed by North Coast Brewery: Link (new window)

How to get it in your nation is up to you. I suspect it's not widely available. Shoot, I only know of one store within a fifteen minute drive that sells it where I live.

Tats, you ever try brewing your own beer?

I did, and the majority of the time, it ended up as what we called "Limburger beer" you might have more luck.

I had a coworker who retired recently. She brewed her own beer with her husband. It was a darn sight better than what was commercially available in most places. I unsuccessfully tried to convince them to open their own brewery. They just like making their own stuff for fun. I once joked that it would be simpler to list the things they didn't make on their own.


A commercial brewery can't really compete with a good brewer. A person can make a couple of gallons of beer with honey, for example, but a brewery would consider that too expensive.
 
2012-03-04 08:38:52 AM  

BronyMedic: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

According to the US Census, so is Jedi and Sith. Why won't you accept that Obi Wan Kenobi died for your sins, letrole?


Jedi a religion? Let's see:

1) Sexual repression, since lust and love lead to the Dark Side.
2) Preach pacifism and serenity as the way to peace, but just to make sure you're ready for war, practice all the time with photonic death swords that can slice and dice your opponent to shreds.
3) Lying to the last scion of the Jedi to ensure he hates and distrusts the Lord of the Sith, who just happens to be his father.
4) Letting yourself be killed by said Sith Lord to ensure your martyrdom ensures a supportive, vengeful pupil.
5) When the pupil learns the truth on their own and confronts you with it, explain to them that his father wasn't really his father anymore, truth is relative, so shut the fark up about it.

Yeah, sounds like a religion to me.
 
2012-03-04 08:40:56 AM  
Tatsuma: Do you realize that many doctors are trained by professional mohelim? Also that mohelim are considered to be much better than doctors at this particular surgery most of the time?

/not against circumcision in general, just against someone without the initials "M.D." behind their name performing it.This article is a fairly good explanation as to why


(CITATION NEEDED). Funny how circumcisions in a hospital are performed, again, in a surgical suite by either a qualified Pediatric Surgeon or Urologist, under either local anesthetic or general.

Tatsuma: Except that it's not "horrendously" painful. They stop crying almost immediately. In the last years, there's barely a month where I don't go to one circumcision. Often, more than once. The baby cries for a few seconds, and it's over. Scarring and infection are quite rare, and I'm not going to go into that 'loss of function' discussion.

....UH. NO. Please educate yourself on the physiologic indicators of pain in neonates and infants. Crying, or the absense there-of, does not function as the only indicator of pain. Thank you for playing, good Sir.

Position Statement from the American Society of Pain Management Nurses - http://www.aspmn.org/pdfs/Pediatric%20Circumcision.pdf

ASPMN recognizes that neonatal circumcision is a painful procedure. The Society recognizes that the
neonate has a right to an anesthetic to prevent the pain of the procedure. Therefore, as healthcare
providers, we are obligated to provide an appropriate anesthetic for neonatal circumcision.


Position Statement from the American Academy of Pediatrics - http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;103/3 /686

There is considerable evidence that newborns who are circumcised without analgesia experience pain and physiologic stress. Neonatal physiologic responses to circumcision pain include changes in heart rate, blood pressure, oxygen saturation, and cortisol levels.36-39 One report has noted that circumcised infants exhibit a stronger pain response to subsequent routine immunization than do uncircumcised infants.40 Several methods to provide analgesia for circumcision have been evaluated.

/so again, Tatsuma, why must you torture infants who have no medical need for circumcision, especially when circumcision is not required for Jewish Identity?
 
2012-03-04 08:41:48 AM  

buckler: dezba: I'm an atheist, my son is circumsized and I don't feel guilty about it. I'M A MONSTER!

My parents decided to cut me. I suppose it's nice having a smegma-free life, but I have to wonder if the sex might have been more fun.


You have no way of knowing, so whats the difference?
 
2012-03-04 08:41:59 AM  
letrole: A big problem is that your religion is composed only of converts. Since members can't get laid, they can't have children to bring up in the faith.

Actually, Jedi do have sex. It's emotionless. Much like what your mom does.
 
2012-03-04 08:44:26 AM  

Amos Quito: demaL-demaL-yeH: That mohel was doing it wrong: The stated purpose of metziza tradition is to protect the child's health.
Mohels still perform the suction to keep to the Talmudic tradition, but not with direct oral contact rather via a sterile tube that has one way suction.

As for those who object to circumcision as a barbaric custom, Tziporah agrees.
It's our religion and our covenant.


My position? If y'all want to hack away at your sons' [img.fark.com image 54x11] for the sake of your silly religious superstitions, go for it.

Godspeed, good luck, and all that.

But PLEASE, don't try to justify your cruel barbaric bloodletting rites by insisting that it's healthier, more hygienic,or whatever, and don't try to get the gullible goyim to follow your example.


/Castration is the new circumcision
//Trendy


Isn't there evidence/biological plausibility that circumcision can reduce the risk of STD transmission? That said it's obviously better to just wrap it up and the benefits are probably only significant in a place like Africa.
 
2012-03-04 08:45:15 AM  

Tatsuma: Also, for the people who are oh so worried with infections:


There are literally tens of thousands of Americans every year who die because their doctors or nurses didn't properly wash their hands, versus possibly one child who dies from this every couple of years or so.

As tragic the latter case obviously is, attention should really be focused on the former than the latter, since as a community we're already taking care of that.


Yeah, i'd like to see the overall percentage of incidence on those for comparison. I'm actually sensitive to the tradition argument but how about some 21st century common sense? Use a straw or a filter, or make the Mohels who do this be regularly tested for communicable disease. There must be a good Jewish doctor somewhere who could help.
 
2012-03-04 08:46:19 AM  

BronyMedic: Actually, Jedi do have sex. It's emotionless. Much like what your mom does.


They do? They'd have to use contraception though. If Jedi were allowed to breed there'd be way too many of them. They'd be a whole race and it would fark up the one to one master to padawan ratio.

/trying to get off the sucking off babies thing
//that didn't come out right
///neither did that
 
2012-03-04 08:46:21 AM  

BronyMedic: /so again, Tatsuma, why must you torture infants who have no medical need for circumcision, especially when circumcision is not required for Jewish Identity?


He already stated that circumcision is abnormal and unnecessary for non-religious reasons in response to me. Search my name! I can't be bothered to quote it!

Diogenes The Cynic: buckler: dezba: I'm an atheist, my son is circumsized and I don't feel guilty about it. I'M A MONSTER!

My parents decided to cut me. I suppose it's nice having a smegma-free life, but I have to wonder if the sex might have been more fun.

You have no way of knowing, so whats the difference?


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2012-03-04 08:47:39 AM  

BronyMedic: Tatsuma: Do you realize that many doctors are trained by professional mohelim? Also that mohelim are considered to be much better than doctors at this particular surgery most of the time?

/not against circumcision in general, just against someone without the initials "M.D." behind their name performing it.This article is a fairly good explanation as to why

(CITATION NEEDED). Funny how circumcisions in a hospital are performed, again, in a surgical suite by either a qualified Pediatric Surgeon or Urologist, under either local anesthetic or general.

Tatsuma: Except that it's not "horrendously" painful. They stop crying almost immediately. In the last years, there's barely a month where I don't go to one circumcision. Often, more than once. The baby cries for a few seconds, and it's over. Scarring and infection are quite rare, and I'm not going to go into that 'loss of function' discussion.

....UH. NO. Please educate yourself on the physiologic indicators of pain in neonates and infants. Crying, or the absense there-of, does not function as the only indicator of pain. Thank you for playing, good Sir.

Position Statement from the American Society of Pain Management Nurses - http://www.aspmn.org/pdfs/Pediatric%20Circumcision.pdf

ASPMN recognizes that neonatal circumcision is a painful procedure. The Society recognizes that the
neonate has a right to an anesthetic to prevent the pain of the procedure. Therefore, as healthcare
providers, we are obligated to provide an appropriate anesthetic for neonatal circumcision.

Position Statement from the American Academy of Pediatrics - http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;103/3 /686

There is considerable evidence that newborns who are circumcised without analgesia experience pain and physiologic stress. Neonatal physiologic responses to circumcision pain include changes in heart rate, blood pressure, oxygen saturation, and cortisol levels.36-39 One report has noted that circumcised infants exhibi ...


Sure, non-religious circumcisions are done in hospitals, but for Jews, they would be invalid. That point is moot.
Many mohels are M.D.'s in small communities.

And, while the medical need of circumcision is debatable, the religious need is indisputable. G-d commanded it. Case closed. It is necessary for Jewish identity, as we define it.

Your definition just doesn't matter.
 
2012-03-04 08:48:33 AM  
The_Homeless_Guy: Isn't there evidence/biological plausibility that circumcision can reduce the risk of STD transmission? That said it's obviously better to just wrap it up and the benefits are probably only significant in a place like Africa.

Actually, there's strong evidence that Circumcision reduces STD transmission. But there's also the loss of function that goes with elective circumcision.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22249299
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22249298
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22014096
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21992987
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21965090
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21917697
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21909030

TL;DR - Males that were circumcised showed greatly decreased rates of STDs in second and third world countries.
 
2012-03-04 08:49:18 AM  

Mugato: BronyMedic: Actually, Jedi do have sex. It's emotionless. Much like what your mom does.

They do? They'd have to use contraception though. If Jedi were allowed to breed there'd be way too many of them. They'd be a whole race and it would fark up the one to one master to padawan ratio.

/trying to get off the sucking off babies thing
//that didn't come out right
///neither did that


They kind of did away with that in the EU. There's hundreds of Jedi running around. Luke married Mara and had like three kids. Also, a splinter group to the Sith became the only Sith alive at the time. They're called the One Sith, and despite the presence of the word "one" it was basically just an excuse to have a powerful leader and a bunch of cannon fodder.

/EU sucks
 
2012-03-04 08:51:22 AM  
Diogenes The Cynic: And, while the medical need of circumcision is debatable, the religious need is indisputable. G-d commanded it. Case closed. It is necessary for Jewish identity, as we define it.

Your definition just doesn't matter.


Um, really? You might want to discuss that with such groups as the Collage of Judaeism as Culture in Israel, and the Secular and Humanistic Jews. They might just disagree with you.

/I worship Khorne. You're cool with me taking your skull, right? For the throne? After all, religion!
 
2012-03-04 08:51:29 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: And, while the medical need of circumcision is debatable, the religious need is indisputable. G-d commanded it. Case closed. It is necessary for Jewish identity, as we define it.

Your definition just doesn't matter.


I would state it differently. Again, I am 100% anti-circumcision, but I realize that I can never change your mind on the matter.

Let the religiously required circumcisions occur. Stop all generic circumcisions in hospitals. I get mine, you get yours.
 
2012-03-04 08:52:37 AM  

dezba: I'm an atheist, my son is circumsized and I don't feel guilty about it. I'M A MONSTER!


You're not a monster. Unless you are building jewelry from foreskin... That would be kinda sick.

I assume you had it done either because you didn't want him to stand out in the boys locker room or concern about infections for potential female partners?

I didn't have my boys circumcised but these thoughts crossed my mind. In the end I just decided that if they evolved to have foreskin, I'd let that ride.
 
2012-03-04 08:53:22 AM  
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2012-03-04 08:53:25 AM  
casual disregard: They kind of did away with that in the EU. There's hundreds of Jedi running around. Luke married Mara and had like three kids. Also, a splinter group to the Sith became the only Sith alive at the time. They're called the One Sith, and despite the presence of the word "one" it was basically just an excuse to have a powerful leader and a bunch of cannon fodder.

SWTOR-verse did away with it completely. Powerful Jedi are encouraged to breed to provide powerful offspring for the rebuilding of the Tython order. You can't really blame them, though - the Sith did kind of almost completely exterminate them in the Bombardment of Coruscant.

/you know, come to think about it, the Jews and Jedi do share some key similarities.
 
2012-03-04 08:55:15 AM  

apachevoyeur: dezba: I'm an atheist, my son is circumsized and I don't feel guilty about it. I'M A MONSTER!

You're not a monster. Unless you are building jewelry from foreskin... That would be kinda sick.

I assume you had it done either because you didn't want him to stand out in the boys locker room or concern about infections for potential female partners?

I didn't have my boys circumcised but these thoughts crossed my mind. In the end I just decided that if they evolved to have foreskin, I'd let that ride.


Luggage, not jewelry.
 
2012-03-04 08:55:28 AM  

BronyMedic: Diogenes The Cynic: And, while the medical need of circumcision is debatable, the religious need is indisputable. G-d commanded it. Case closed. It is necessary for Jewish identity, as we define it.

Your definition just doesn't matter.

Um, really? You might want to discuss that with such groups as the Collage of Judaeism as Culture in Israel, and the Secular and Humanistic Jews. They might just disagree with you.

/I worship Khorne. You're cool with me taking your skull, right? For the throne? After all, religion!


Are they Orthodox Jewish establishments?

Hmmmmmmmmmm, No?

Well then, they do not represent, or practice Judaism.
 
2012-03-04 08:57:07 AM  

casual disregard: Diogenes The Cynic: And, while the medical need of circumcision is debatable, the religious need is indisputable. G-d commanded it. Case closed. It is necessary for Jewish identity, as we define it.

Your definition just doesn't matter.

I would state it differently. Again, I am 100% anti-circumcision, but I realize that I can never change your mind on the matter.

Let the religiously required circumcisions occur. Stop all generic circumcisions in hospitals. I get mine, you get yours.


So, you leave me alone, and I leave you alone?

Its a deal!
 
2012-03-04 08:57:13 AM  

Tatsuma: There are literally tens of thousands of Americans every year who die because their doctors or nurses didn't properly wash their hands, versus possibly one child who dies from this every couple of years or so.


Some people. Making a mountain out of a mohel.
 
2012-03-04 08:58:08 AM  

casual disregard: They kind of did away with that in the EU. There's hundreds of Jedi running around. Luke married Mara and had like three kids. Also, a splinter group to the Sith became the only Sith alive at the time. They're called the One Sith, and despite the presence of the word "one" it was basically just an excuse to have a powerful leader and a bunch of cannon fodder.

/EU sucks


Yeah I figured after Luke all the Jedi rules went out the window but I figured at the time of the Prequels they were all monks. And yes, the EU sucks.
 
2012-03-04 08:58:39 AM  

Babwa Wawa: Tragedy is more commonly used to describe an unpreventable event that causes suffering. This was an entirely preventable disease inflicted upon a defenseless person by people knowingly engaging in risky behavior. A more accurate description of this event would be a crime.


citation needed. did you hear about the family whose children were killed in a car accident while they were on their way to a baptism? christ, if they'd just given the kid a bath at home, it all would have been ok. hope those parents go up for life for engaging in the risky behavior of navigating boston's streets.

whether or not the circumcision has to be performed as done in the article may be up for debate. i myself was circumcised at maimonides by an m.d. my parents don't give me anything---i have to get my own stds!
 
2012-03-04 09:04:14 AM  
Diogenes The Cynic: Well then, they do not represent, or practice Judaism

So they're not "True Jews©®™" unless they follow Orthodox Judaism, then? Is that like you're only a "true Christian" if you follow the doctrine of the person you're talking with?

I guess only 13% of American Jews and 25% of Israeli Jews are true, then. You know what, I think I see a Scotsman somewhere. Maybe not, he wasn't wearing a kilt. All true Scotsmen wear kilts.

/So, you're cool with me taking that skull, right? Religion and all?
//And this, folks, is why we have separation of Church and State.
 
2012-03-04 09:04:31 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: casual disregard: Diogenes The Cynic: And, while the medical need of circumcision is debatable, the religious need is indisputable. G-d commanded it. Case closed. It is necessary for Jewish identity, as we define it.

Your definition just doesn't matter.

I would state it differently. Again, I am 100% anti-circumcision, but I realize that I can never change your mind on the matter.

Let the religiously required circumcisions occur. Stop all generic circumcisions in hospitals. I get mine, you get yours.

So, you leave me alone, and I leave you alone?

Its a deal!


Sigh, if only it were so simple.

I profess no worship at all. Here's where I differ from others - I will never cite an inferior authority on Judaism when attempting to speak authoritatively on Judaism. What i want is openness, freedom, and peace. I want a good future, and that's the only way to have it. I wish you could do more to educate the masses on your customs and traditions, because really they aren't scary at all. I also wish that you could discourage your rites amongst the masses who are not your people, because it skews perceptions and tarnishes your own reputation.

/you think this thread is bad, i have actually met people who stringently believe that Judaism is named after Judas
 
2012-03-04 09:06:55 AM  
fark me, i knew it. Open wound, guy puts his herpes laden mouth over it, and the baby dies, cause he wants to suck it's dick. Charming custom. How about just cleaning it off with some sterile water and sponges? Christ.
 
2012-03-04 09:12:51 AM  
Maybe he's a vampire Rabbi with STDs. It could happen.
 
2012-03-04 09:13:53 AM  

BronyMedic: Diogenes The Cynic: Well then, they do not represent, or practice Judaism

So they're not "True Jews©®™" unless they follow Orthodox Judaism, then? Is that like you're only a "true Christian" if you follow the doctrine of the person you're talking with?

I guess only 13% of American Jews and 25% of Israeli Jews are true, then. You know what, I think I see a Scotsman somewhere. Maybe not, he wasn't wearing a kilt. All true Scotsmen wear kilts.

/So, you're cool with me taking that skull, right? Religion and all?
//And this, folks, is why we have separation of Church and State.


Don't you go putting words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say they were not True Jews

They're not PRACTICING Jews.

I have no idea what your skull references are to. They do sound weird.
 
2012-03-04 09:14:16 AM  
Tatsuma: And again this happens maybe once every couple of years or so. It's a tragedy, but also extremely rare.

And is 100% preventable.
 
2012-03-04 09:14:50 AM  

Tatsuma: The one who sexualizes it.


By this reason, Toddler pageants are not bad at all, It's the fault of those who thinks of it as sexual, since they're the ones that injects their mind-view of sexuality on the pageants.
 
2012-03-04 09:15:00 AM  
And what specifically does one call the sucking of a bloody baby penis?

The Aristocrats!
 
2012-03-04 09:15:18 AM  

proteus_b: did you hear about the family whose children were killed in a car accident while they were on their way to a baptism? christ, if they'd just given the kid a bath at home, it all would have been ok. hope those parents go up for life for engaging in the risky behavior of navigating boston's streets.

whether or not the circumcision has to be performed as done in the article may be up for debate. i myself was circumcised at maimonides by an m.d. my parents don't give me anything---i have to get my own stds!


Irrelevant comparison is irrelevant. It's like trying to compare russian roulette to car accidents.

Placing your mouth on someone else's open wound is extraordinarily risky behavior - the chances of infection are exceedingly high. Compared to a car ride, the risk of this ritual as performed in TFA is a lot higher than a car ride, and the risk is not random in nature.
 
2012-03-04 09:15:45 AM  

BronyMedic: Diogenes The Cynic: Well then, they do not represent, or practice Judaism

So they're not "True Jews©®™" unless they follow Orthodox Judaism, then? Is that like you're only a "true Christian" if you follow the doctrine of the person you're talking with?

I guess only 13% of American Jews and 25% of Israeli Jews are true, then. You know what, I think I see a Scotsman somewhere. Maybe not, he wasn't wearing a kilt. All true Scotsmen wear kilts.

/So, you're cool with me taking that skull, right? Religion and all?
//And this, folks, is why we have separation of Church and State.


What, even if you're not part of the faith, you're willing to take a stand on how devout someone is? Come on. I think it's all hocus-pocus bullshiat, but there are obviously some Christians who are "better" at being Christian than others, likewise Jews. These people have their insane laws and guidelines for whatever reason, and who's to say that the more orthodox adherents can't pass judgment on those who claim to share their faith but fall short in practice? The way I see it, if someone wants to be "half-assed Jewish," "half-assed Catholic," or "half-assed Mormon," they're free to start their own religious movement.
 
2012-03-04 09:17:21 AM  
Came for Rabbi Tuckman, leaving satisfied.
 
2012-03-04 09:20:42 AM  
When our son was born, the doctor was going down his checklist of usual items in a matter of routine, and got to, "...will you want him circumcised?"

We said, "No."

He stopped dead in his tracks, looked up from his paper into our eyes and said a heartfelt, "Good for you. That's a lot more unusual here in the midwest..."

Not one single problem with son's little member, and there has been no maintenance or anything.
 
2012-03-04 09:21:40 AM  

The_Homeless_Guy: Amos Quito: demaL-demaL-yeH: That mohel was doing it wrong: The stated purpose of metziza tradition is to protect the child's health.
Mohels still perform the suction to keep to the Talmudic tradition, but not with direct oral contact rather via a sterile tube that has one way suction.

As for those who object to circumcision as a barbaric custom, Tziporah agrees.
It's our religion and our covenant.


My position? If y'all want to hack away at your sons' [img.fark.com image 54x11] for the sake of your silly religious superstitions, go for it.

Godspeed, good luck, and all that.

But PLEASE, don't try to justify your cruel barbaric bloodletting rites by insisting that it's healthier, more hygienic,or whatever, and don't try to get the gullible goyim to follow your example.


/Castration is the new circumcision
//Trendy

Isn't there evidence/biological plausibility that circumcision can reduce the risk of STD transmission?



Darwin at work

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Do not disturb

 
2012-03-04 09:22:37 AM  

Hetfield: uttertosh: There's plenty of really rather entertaining trolls on fark. You're just not one of them.

Yet you responded. You lose.


HA!!! So letrole is your alt!! Nice of you to tip your hand.

/has no idea what he lost by responding.
 
2012-03-04 09:22:43 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: I have no idea what your skull references are to. They do sound weird.


Khorne is the blood god in the Warhammer universe. It is one of the agents of chaos. More demon than god, really.

There is a bitonal nature present in most people. You're either a white pixel or you're a black pixel. You're either this, or you're that. You're either with us, or you're against us. Most people just don't have the organs necessary to perceive the various shades of gray present in a given population. This is one of those cases where I'm going to have to put the onus on you to better explain your life, not because your life is aberrant but because nobody else knows what's happening.
 
2012-03-04 09:24:20 AM  
I knew this guy who was changing his infant son and while he was changing him he was trying to tickle him and talking like a baby to him. As he lowered his head to get closer to his son I was about to say careful he might piss on you. The guy then put his son's penis in his mouth and moved it side to side. While he was doing that you could tell he was still talking like a baby to him. I was shocked and didn't say anything amd left the room. That was the last time I ever talked to that guy. I know the son was only 2 months at the time but I hope it didn't continue or the mom made him stop doing that.
 
2012-03-04 09:24:54 AM  

letrole: BronyMedic: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

According to the US Census, so is Jedi and Sith. Why won't you accept that Obi Wan Kenobi died for your sins, letrole?

I don't want to. I have free will. I'm sure you think have some sort of point there.


According to many/most religions, you don't have free will.

/Obi-Wan DID die for my sins... my sin of paying to watch the damn movie
 
2012-03-04 09:25:32 AM  
the religion of penis strikes again.
 
2012-03-04 09:26:41 AM  

namatad: do you know what would solve these problems? banning religion

/sigh - delusion is such a wonderful thing



NO ONE is saying that. There are many acceptable solutions.

I for one endorse rounding up the Jews into railroad cars & shipping them to work camps built around coal power plants. We can use their forced labor to assemble consumer electronic devices rather than outsourcing that work to China. We can save even more money by feeding them a thin gruel (roughly 300 calories per day per person). As they get too sick and weak we will burn them for fuel in the power plants. In order to reduce the number of people living off welfare we'll also round up the homeless and the mentally or physically ill for immediate conversion into fuel.

Under my proposal, the US fiscal budget would be balanced in less than 5 years.

I call it the Nein, Nein, Nein plan.
 
2012-03-04 09:27:05 AM  

Don Bigles:

If we're going to turn this into a circumcision thread, I'd just like to point out that I don't care if people do it, but the guys involved should be able to choose whether to do it or not later in life, rather than having it forced upon them before they even know their name.


You know what? I'm good with it happening when I'm maybe a day old.
 
2012-03-04 09:27:46 AM  

uttertosh: HA!!! So letrole is your alt!! Nice of you to tip your hand.

/has no idea what he lost by responding.



I don't think so. Responding to trolls are one of the measures of trolling, that if they respond specifically to their post, it counts as a bite.

/ Unless if you're trolling, then kudos, you got me ;)
 
2012-03-04 09:28:09 AM  
People do some really farked up things in the name of religion.
 
2012-03-04 09:29:42 AM  
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/oblig
 
2012-03-04 09:31:24 AM  
braedan: namatad: do you know what would solve these problems? banning religion

/sigh - delusion is such a wonderful thing


NO ONE is saying that. There are many acceptable solutions.

I for one endorse rounding up the Jews into railroad cars & shipping them to work camps built around coal power plants. We can use their forced labor to assemble consumer electronic devices rather than outsourcing that work to China. We can save even more money by feeding them a thin gruel (roughly 300 calories per day per person). As they get too sick and weak we will burn them for fuel in the power plants. In order to reduce the number of people living off welfare we'll also round up the homeless and the mentally or physically ill for immediate conversion into fuel.

Under my proposal, the US fiscal budget would be balanced in less than 5 years.

I call it the Nein, Nein, Nein plan.


I think I may have read that plan in a book once, while setting in Mein Kampfy chair.

/going to Hell for that one.
 
2012-03-04 09:33:05 AM  
Arrr! bitemark........

Almost 300 comments and not a mention of Hitlerino. Farkers have standards?

/How is babby deformed?
 
2012-03-04 09:33:21 AM  
What...the...hell...
 
2012-03-04 09:33:43 AM  
Jewish Babycock Vampires:

Only Religion could come up with something this insane.
 
2012-03-04 09:34:23 AM  

LinaBo: People keep cutting them off, but mother nature just keeps popping boys out with a foreskin attached. Maybe, just maybe, she's trying to tell us something?


Did you have your wisdom teeth pulled?

Genuinely curious.

/still have mine, actually
 
2012-03-04 09:36:27 AM  
I'm sorry but how does a tradition such as this get developed? Who even thought this was a good idea when it came about.
 
2012-03-04 09:37:35 AM  

Devolving_Spud: I guessed correctly. What do I get?

Goyim here, with a head full of useless knowledge...


I guessed right too, after hearing about the practice on the Howard Stern show, which I was forced to listen to when it was on the air (since beating the radio with a hammer would have possibly got me canned, as therapeutic as it would have been).

I'm just shocked that herpes can be fatal. I thought it was more of one of those really annoying nuisance diseases.
 
2012-03-04 09:38:03 AM  

Coastalgrl: I'm sorry but how does a tradition such as this get developed? Who even thought this was a good idea when it came about.


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2012-03-04 09:38:34 AM  

Coastalgrl: I'm sorry but how does a tradition such as this get developed? Who even thought this was a good idea when it came about.


G-d told us to do circumcisions. Its plain as day in the Torah.

The how of the practice comes from the Gemara.
 
2012-03-04 09:40:24 AM  

Mister Peejay: I'm just shocked that herpes can be fatal. I thought it was more of one of those really annoying nuisance diseases.


A lot of things that aren't normally fatal can be fatal to infants, and the elderly, for that matter.

Sadly, the moment you point this out to the ultra-orthodox, they're going to retreat to the "it was God's will" stance and the "you're discriminating against my religion" talking point.
 
2012-03-04 09:41:06 AM  

ShawnDoc: Lionel Mandrake: I don't think Christians suck infant cock, but then again, I'm not a Christian.

Its only the Catholics who do it. And depending on the denomination of the Christian you ask, Catholics may or may not be considered Christian.


Christianity started with Catholics and wouldn't exist with them. The Orthodox church split off first. It reminds me of people who claim that real America isn't in the cities and states where this country was founded.
 
2012-03-04 09:41:19 AM  

AirForceVet: Why can't we have laws against rabbis using their mouths on a newborn's freshly circumcised penis?

Oh yeah, it'll open another can of worms like making Catholic hospitals provide contraception coverage in their employee insurance policies.

/I'm really tired of religious organizations dictating health care for women and children.
//Wish they'd move up to the 21st Century instead of sticking with the ancient traditions on procreation, women's rights, infectious diseases.


There is a difference from make one do something and stopping one from doing something.
 
2012-03-04 09:41:46 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: buckler: dezba: I'm an atheist, my son is circumsized and I don't feel guilty about it. I'M A MONSTER!

My parents decided to cut me. I suppose it's nice having a smegma-free life, but I have to wonder if the sex might have been more fun.

You have no way of knowing, so whats the difference?


Having no choice in a matter doesn't make it the right choice. Not in the least.

That said, lack of foreskin isn't the end of sex. far from it. Personally, though, I have trouble finishing in a reasonable time.
 
2012-03-04 09:43:56 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Religion is a mental illness. Circumcision is mutilation. Put 'em both together, and this is what happens.


It's not all that cut and dry........
 
2012-03-04 09:43:59 AM  
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2012-03-04 09:44:14 AM  
Yeah, the Jews abandoned some traditions for a reason. Leave it to the Jewish version of Fred Phelps to not only dig them up, but kill babies with them.

/circumcision is one of the best ways to ensure children survive to adulthood
//circumcision combined with a baby blowjob, however, is not
 
2012-03-04 09:45:12 AM  

SkunkWerks: Mister Peejay: I'm just shocked that herpes can be fatal. I thought it was more of one of those really annoying nuisance diseases.

A lot of things that aren't normally fatal can be fatal to infants, and the elderly, for that matter.

Sadly, the moment you point this out to the ultra-orthodox, they're going to retreat to the "it was God's will" stance and the "you're discriminating against my religion" talking point.


I prefer being called Haredi over ultra-orthodox. We are not ultra anything. What we practice is normative Judaism. TYVM

As to it being G-d's will. We have free will, and aren't in much of a position to discern what G-d "wants."

As to the point of discrimination, read this entire thread from the point of view of a religious Jew, and tell me if you think everyone calling for and end to religion isn't all for discriminating against things they don't care for.
 
2012-03-04 09:46:10 AM  
Bleh. Disgusting. Shouldn't have read this while eating bacon.
 
2012-03-04 09:46:43 AM  

octopied: coco ebert: Under the practice, the rabbi or mohel removes blood from the wound with his mouth - a practice city health officials have criticized, saying it carried "inherent risks" for babies.

:O

which holy book says that it's fine to lick the blood off of someone else body?


Satan's!!!
 
2012-03-04 09:48:18 AM  
Well, if the baby wasn't circumcised he would have died of AIDS anyway in adulthood.

Everyone knows uncircumcised people always die of some venerial disease. Duh.
 
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