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2012-03-04 03:50:31 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Or any faith, for that matter.


So long as your faith doesn't demand that your priesthood suck bloody baby penises with their filthy mouths.

Apparently, some faiths (albeit a very limited number of faiths) do.


This concerns a lot of more reasonable folks because- by definition- Faith is the antithesis of Reason, and can lead one to all sorts of ridiculous conclusions about what is, and what is not, a good idea.

Granted, it seems to only do so in a very limited number of cases, but really, we see this as a limited number far too many.

I don't hate Faith, nor would I call for an end to all forms of Faith because of this, and yet I really wouldn't feel a loss if it were all to disappear in a puff of illogic this very next second.

As it Harm None, Do as Thou Wilt.

This act has harmed someone. Irresponsibly, blithely, negligently, it has harmed someone. As it was an act of Faith I cannot with any honesty say that there isn't anything wrong with any Faith.

Clearly there is something wrong with some Faiths.
 
2012-03-04 03:51:53 PM  

Tatsuma: Except that it's not "horrendously" painful. They stop crying almost immediately. In the last years, there's barely a month where I don't go to one circumcision. Often, more than once. The baby cries for a few seconds, and it's over. Scarring and infection are quite rare, and I'm not going to go into that 'loss of function' discussion.


That's just weird.

I'm not against circumcision either but to make it a public - okay, not totally public, just close friends and family - is a bit too much for me.
 
2012-03-04 03:55:05 PM  
I had thought they stopped doing it that way years ago for health reasons. That and they occasionaly do have to work on adult converts.
 
2012-03-04 04:01:33 PM  

Happy Hours: Tatsuma: Except that it's not "horrendously" painful. They stop crying almost immediately. In the last years, there's barely a month where I don't go to one circumcision. Often, more than once. The baby cries for a few seconds, and it's over. Scarring and infection are quite rare, and I'm not going to go into that 'loss of function' discussion.

That's just weird.

I'm not against circumcision either but to make it a public - okay, not totally public, just close friends and family - is a bit too much for me.


A bit too much for you?

Well,are you Jewish?
 
2012-03-04 04:04:32 PM  
I guess we have to assume that the parents weren't right with G-d?
 
2012-03-04 04:05:33 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: I guess we have to assume that the parents weren't right with G-d?


You gotta be a giant a-hole to even think of going there.
 
2012-03-04 04:06:52 PM  

SkunkWerks: Coco LaFemme: Or any faith, for that matter.

So long as your faith doesn't demand that your priesthood suck bloody baby penises with their filthy mouths.


Did you not read any other post in this thread? NO ONE IS CONDONING BABY PENIS SUCKING RABBIS. What many other people are saying however, is this is not representative of Judaism as a whole, and therefore it is not smart to condemn the entire faith for it. You know, your basic common sense position.

The farking fark. I think Catholic priests who diddle little boys should be defrocked and then de-nutted, but that doesn't mean I think all of Catholicism is a scourge.
 
2012-03-04 04:11:02 PM  

Diogenes The Cynic: Its no more perverted than giving your child a bath.


If you cannot tell the difference, you are not allowed to bath my children.
 
2012-03-04 04:11:55 PM  

GungFu: Logic. You don't have it. Please smash head into wall at high speed.


I have plenty of logic, you're just an asshat, that's all.

/Mystery solved...
 
2012-03-04 04:16:00 PM  

Coco LaFemme:

Doesn't mean there's anything more wrong with the Jewish faith. Or any faith, for that matter.


Fixed that for ya. I will allow that of all the pinheaded, fearful, logically constipated, smite-happy, transparently derivative Abrahamic faiths, Jews knock on my door begging for me to drink their Kool-Aid the least.

Jews for Jesus, on the other hand, are just damned annoying.
 
2012-03-04 04:16:20 PM  

Tatsuma: buckler: And this is not a necessary procedure as performed. If suction is needed, there are many fine machines that could do the job well in a sterile fashion that doesn't require the lips of a bearded hairy man.

Agreed on both point. It is not a necessary procedure as performed, there can indeed be machines and tubes that can do a perfectly good job and requires no contact at all, and this is in fact how it is performed now in the vast vast majority of the Orthodox world.

I have been to possibly 60-70 of those over the years, easily, and I have never seen someone do it with the mouth. And I don't exactly hang out with the more lenient crowd either.




This. I've attended several chassidic brises; it wasn't done at any of them.
 
2012-03-04 04:16:30 PM  

Tatsuma: demaL-demaL-yeH: me: Obscure word? Because you haven't seen or heard it multiple times in, say, אלה אזכרה , which is read aloud at least once every year? Right.

Except that תלמידין absolutely does not feature in that particular piyut, and is absolutely an obscure word that is never really used, and the English version is about solely from the domain of messianic Jews and xians.

demaL-demaL-yeH: /What color are your socks, again, obnoxious Oshkenoz speed-davening yeshiva bocher boy?

you really are full of hatred for ashkenazim, aren't you? also to pretend that I'm a speed-davening guy is pretty funny.

Proved nothing yet again, except your hatred. I feel bad.


Yeah, "hatred for ashkenazim" explains my marriage and children. That makes perfect sense.

Ah, so you're in the Ten Minute Minchah Club. Nice to know.

I'd love to write that I'm overwhelmed* by your wisdom, humility, decency and kindness.
I do dislike you, personally, (and your know-it-all attitude,) although I shouldn't. After all, you give me no reason to dislike you for repeatedly claiming that I'm not Jewish (like you just did again), or by declaring from the other side of the planet that what I have witnessed with my own eyes and ears is not so, or any of the other various and sundry ways you tarnish am Yisrael in a public forum on the internet.

Keep tapdancing. And the poems are the same as the midrash and the stories as recounted in the Talmud. The martyrdom of R. Judah ben Baba, (what's he called, again?,) is "obscure." Nice to know.

*but "overwhelmed" would be a lie.

/Feel all better now?
 
2012-03-04 04:18:00 PM  

MadSkillz: Mikey1969: FirstNationalBastard: Circumcision is mutilation.

I see no problem with circumcision... My wife doesn't either. This kind of crap is ridiculous though.

Circumcision doesn't "mutilate" anything, it doesn't "disfigure" anything or "inflict serious damage", it makes things cleaner and a little more 'prominent', makes a rather silly looking body part look a lot less silly, but it doesn't destroy or damage anything. I don't know if I could live with myself if my willy looked like a snake wearing a sweater... :-)

In my case, when I was a baby, I apparently kept getting bad recurring infections under the foreskin so the doctor decided that circumcision was the best option. As an adult, I'm comfortable with that.


While one has to wonder about the doctor's sympathies in such a case, I can not in good conscience object to a medical rationale for circumcision.

Funny that we don't reach for the scalpel when it's a nasal infection, however.
 
2012-03-04 04:20:34 PM  
You can scream "but..but..its our religion" all you want. Its still mutilation and, you're still sucking baby cock for your invisible "sky wizard". Same as in africa, they mutilate the girl babies by cutting off their clitorises, sometimes when they are 15 or older. That has to be fun. And for the guy who posted "well..how is it different from cleaning your babies genitals in the bath? Isn't that molestation? Ya..about that..there is a big difference between me cleaning my little girl with a washcloth and sucking on her labia with my mouth. If you can't see the difference, you're the one who's farked up.
 
2012-03-04 04:21:05 PM  

Happy Hours: Tatsuma: Except that it's not "horrendously" painful. They stop crying almost immediately. In the last years, there's barely a month where I don't go to one circumcision. Often, more than once. The baby cries for a few seconds, and it's over. Scarring and infection are quite rare, and I'm not going to go into that 'loss of function' discussion.

That's just weird.

I'm not against circumcision either but to make it a public - okay, not totally public, just close friends and family - is a bit too much for me.


It's the option to cater the event I find distressing, almost as much as the baby dong bob.

There must be entire businesses where the prosperity is based on serving up lox, cream cheese and kosher wine suitable for a scarring. Humans: WTF?
 
2012-03-04 04:21:10 PM  
Oh that's right, Rabbi's suck the baby's dick after the cut.
 
2012-03-04 04:25:03 PM  
In before 1,000 replies.
 
2012-03-04 04:26:19 PM  

BronyMedic: Tatsuma: Yeah you're just another nazi twat. Many around these days.

Tatsuma, why do you play the Nazi card so much?

I'm honestly asking this, because I want to know what it is to have a world view that predisposes you to viewing anyone other than those who enjoy the your flavor of the Jewish Legato as wearing Swastikas and just waiting for the opportunity to open up Auschwitz II: Prussian Blugaloo.

No, really, Tats. If someone disagrees with you, or - Celestia forbid - the policies of the Government of Israel, they're a closet internet nazi who is secretly cheerleading the destruction of the Jewish race. This is a reoccurring theme in your arguments.


Tatsuma: When someone says that there is no such thing as anti-semitism,


OK, you're just a troll. Quote a specific post in which someone said that. I think the most that anyone ever said is that Jews don't have a monopoly on being Semitic people, and that's a firm fact: Being "Semitic" is a thing of regional heritage; by co-opting it to mean "only Jews" you are engaging in a form of cultural genocide or ethnic cleansing, by trying to diminish the heritage of others. And you pretend to have the stones to accuse others of having "Nazi" inclinations?

Look in the mirror, bigot.
 
2012-03-04 04:32:03 PM  
Hooray for Rockland County.

/Okay, not where this particular victim was from, but still got a mention the first time around.
 
2012-03-04 04:32:04 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: Diogenes The Cynic: Spaced Cowboy: Tatsuma: BurnShrike: So God made him do it? If he didn't have the desire to do it, then the impetus to put his mouth on a child's penis must've come from somewhere else. Where did it come from?

I am not having this discussion anymore with you. I have both explained this, and linked to a thorough explanation. You clearly do not care discussing this, just bashing.

So bash away, I'm done.

Who's the pervert, the one who makes you put a child's penis in your mouth? or the guy who actually follows through and does it?

The one who sexualizes it.

I'm thinking the pervert is definitely the diseased freak with a child's dick in his mouth and the entire crowd of people who think that is any way appropriate behavior for this century of humanity. There's really no contest here concerning which is the sick fark between disgusted internet forum goers the guy with a baby's dick in his mouth. Baby dick guy wins this one hands down.

You can try to play your usual little troll deflection game, but as usual you are 100% wrong and your comments are utterly disgusting to everyone in the room that didn't have to lift their sense of morality from a two thousand year old book of fables.

Tats said it best up ahead. Its no more perverted than giving your child a bath. Don't think like a pervert all the time.

If your lips are on your kids dick at bath time, please send me your name and city you live in so I can call the farking police on you.


Out of curiosity, would you also call the farking police on a Jewish grandmother who kisses her grandchild's bare bottom while changing his/her diaper? I'm curious as to your answer.

Context is everything. While this is a legitimately knee-jerk-inducing situation, always consider the context.

And both parties stop being so obnoxiously righteous. Makes you sound like evangelical nutjobs.
 
2012-03-04 04:37:23 PM  

letrole: HBK: Yes. Catholics are the original Christians. If not for Catholics there would be no Lutherans, Baptists, et al. In fact, the Methodists still say "I believe in the Catholic Church" or some variance in their prayers.

Whereas Christians will say they believe in Jesus.

Catholics worship many things -- Mary, Saints, Relics, the Church itself. If you pray to Mary, you worship her. If you pray to saints, you worship them. If you have faith in some some bone fragment or burial shroud, you worship it.


Small balance between worshiping everything and nothing. I think I will stick to worshiping more than just some religious man-child of a faith and pay my respects to more than just that.
 
2012-03-04 04:37:37 PM  

SkunkWerks: I hate needles, partly because they DO hurt, but mostly because the idea of letting a near-stranger jam a half inch of surgical steel under my skin is a pretty uncomfortable thought.


I've found that it hurts much less if you watch. Really. It was an experiment I came up with while I was in hospital a few years ago. Since I was getting jabbed every day, I figured I could at least test the theory, and that's my takeaway.
 
2012-03-04 04:43:34 PM  

Diogenes The Cynic: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: I guess we have to assume that the parents weren't right with G-d?

You gotta be a giant a-hole to even think of going there.


Really? Is it so wrong and bad for me to point to the real centre of this, the assumption that what someone believes is the message in an ancient mouldy book written by ignorant and primitive desert nomads millennia ago should perhaps not be taken over what modern science tells is so? That maybe letting an old man suck on your baby's bleeding weewee -- or, hell, cutting your baby's weewee in the first place, for no other reason than that given above -- might not be so damn smart? That maybe ancient religions aren't so quaint and harmless after all, and actually can and do lead to real harm? That making excuses for all this idiocy in the name of 'religion' or 'faith' or 'tradition' is childish and inexcusable?

Is that where you're suggesting I should not go, and I'm an asshole if I do? If so, then I'm proud to be an asshole.

/I'm also not afraid of words like "asshole".
 
2012-03-04 04:43:56 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Did you not read any other post in this thread?


You ask me to read the thread, I ask you to read one post: mine.

I'm well aware of the general sentiment in the thread. It's irrelevant.

However, the Faith responsible for letting this Rabbi do what he did (along with all it's adherents) condoned it.

You said "there's nothing wrong with any Faith", to paraphrase somewhat.

Given that there are Faiths that condone this kind of behavior, yes, there very much IS something wrong with at least some Faiths.

If you'd like to take me to task for something, kindly do so about something I actually said, hmm?
 
2012-03-04 04:44:25 PM  
If tatsuma ignores all trolls, does that mean he ignores himself?
 
2012-03-04 04:45:44 PM  

foxyshadis: Which is weird, because I see Catholics doing this all the time. It's worshiping the baby's masculinity, imparting blessings, whatever, but not sexualized. I don't think it's nearly as common in urban areas as in the farmtowns and countrysides though, and definitely not as common now since the pedo craze started a few decades ago. How do you think most people get oral herpes? Being kissed by family members who have open cold sores at the time. Every so often it happens for the genitals too.


I'm not sure where you live, but as someone who was raised Catholic, I've never seen anyone kiss a baby on the genitalia. Worshipping the baby's masculinity is a completely foreign concept to me. But maybe it's a different culture. I don't know.
 
2012-03-04 04:50:34 PM  

SkunkWerks: Coco LaFemme: Did you not read any other post in this thread?

You ask me to read the thread, I ask you to read one post: mine.

I'm well aware of the general sentiment in the thread. It's irrelevant.

However, the Faith responsible for letting this Rabbi do what he did (along with all it's adherents) condoned it.

You said "there's nothing wrong with any Faith", to paraphrase somewhat.

Given that there are Faiths that condone this kind of behavior, yes, there very much IS something wrong with at least some Faiths.

If you'd like to take me to task for something, kindly do so about something I actually said, hmm?


OK: Every Jew who responded said that the mohel was doing it wrong.
Starting with my very Weeners in this here thread.
 
2012-03-04 04:50:50 PM  

Fireproof: Yeah, there's never been a single instance of good people doing evil things in the name of their country, their political ideology, animal rights, or even their favorite spots team.


If your point is that non-religious evil exists and it's therefore unfair to even for a moment focus exclusively on religious evil, then I have to call bullshiat. Evil is evil, no matter who's doing it, when, or why. That it's impossible to simultaneously address all evil equally isn't an even slightly valid reason to argue against addressing any given evil at any specific time.
 
2012-03-04 04:51:12 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: I've found that it hurts much less if you watch. Really. It was an experiment I came up with while I was in hospital a few years ago. Since I was getting jabbed every day, I figured I could at least test the theory, and that's my takeaway.


I've come to the same conclusion. Though perhaps not for the same reasons.

Still, it doesn't stop a lot of phlebotomists from insisting that I'd be much better off if I turned away while they worked their magic.

I took one aside one day and said, "Look, it's nothing personal lady, but: I don't know you, and you're about to jam a half inch of sharp surgical steel into my arm. Not keeping an eye on you while you do this will not make me feel any better about the affair. Need it put more simply? Okay: I don't trust you."

To be perfectly fair, I've had some very good nurses who know just what to do and pop that damn thing in without so much as a twinge. I've also had some remarkably bad ones. And when you're a guy whose veins in his dominant arm are actually smaller than the one in his non-dominant arm, and the nurse doesn't listen to you, well, you know you're in for some fun.
 
2012-03-04 04:52:55 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: OK: Every Jew who responded said that the mohel was doing it wrong.
Starting with my very Weeners in this here thread.



And a swing and a miss...
 
2012-03-04 04:54:23 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Eh. Zero tolerance is only acceptable against Catholics. Such is modern life.


I accept any church or other institution exactly to the extent that it accepts me. That's why I've been at war with the RCC for so long: they declared first, and left me with no choice but to defend myself. I don't feel even slightly bad about it, and never will.
 
2012-03-04 04:55:43 PM  

SkunkWerks: demaL-demaL-yeH: OK: Every Jew who responded said that the mohel was doing it wrong.
Starting with my very Weeners in this here thread.


And a swing and a miss...



More like a foul ball.

;-)
 
2012-03-04 04:56:08 PM  

JeffDudeLebowski: If tatsuma ignores all trolls, does that mean he ignores himself?


If this means that he falls into a singularity and is never heard from again, I am intrigued and want to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2012-03-04 04:56:48 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: SkunkWerks: Coco LaFemme:
Starting with my very Weeners in this here thread.


Filterpwned. Meh.
(At least it wasn't mutated to "brand-name pregnancy test.")
 
2012-03-04 05:01:11 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Diogenes The Cynic: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: I guess we have to assume that the parents weren't right with G-d?

You gotta be a giant a-hole to even think of going there.

Really? Is it so wrong and bad for me to point to the real centre of this, the assumption that what someone believes is the message in an ancient mouldy book written by ignorant and primitive desert nomads millennia ago should perhaps not be taken over what modern science tells is so? That maybe letting an old man suck on your baby's bleeding weewee -- or, hell, cutting your baby's weewee in the first place, for no other reason than that given above -- might not be so damn smart? That maybe ancient religions aren't so quaint and harmless after all, and actually can and do lead to real harm? That making excuses for all this idiocy in the name of 'religion' or 'faith' or 'tradition' is childish and inexcusable?

Is that where you're suggesting I should not go, and I'm an asshole if I do? If so, then I'm proud to be an asshole.

/I'm also not afraid of words like "asshole".


Its not right to say that you alone know the will of G-d. Suggesting that the parents had some sort of defect makes you an a-hole.

Euclid wrote an ancient book. Does that make geometry wrong?
 
2012-03-04 05:01:43 PM  

Mikey1969: Circumcision doesn't "mutilate" anything, it doesn't "disfigure" anything or "inflict serious damage", it makes things cleaner and a little more 'prominent', makes a rather silly looking body part look a lot less silly, but it doesn't destroy or damage anything. I don't know if I could live with myself if my willy looked like a snake wearing a sweater... :-)


http://www.circumstitions.com/death.html
 
2012-03-04 05:08:44 PM  
Circumcision (new window)
 
2012-03-04 05:13:41 PM  

Mikey1969: FirstNationalBastard: Circumcision is mutilation.

I see no problem with circumcision... My wife doesn't either. This kind of crap is ridiculous though.

Circumcision doesn't "mutilate" anything, it doesn't "disfigure" anything or "inflict serious damage", it makes things cleaner and a little more 'prominent', makes a rather silly looking body part look a lot less silly, but it doesn't destroy or damage anything. I don't know if I could live with myself if my willy looked like a snake wearing a sweater... :-)


Dude. You are commenting in a thread in an article about A BABY THAT IS DEAD BECAUSE IT GOT A CIRCUMCISION. Your comment makes no sense. The multiple babies mentioned in the article were indeed mutilated. The herpes sores on these babies' dicks certainly count as disfiguration and serious damage. How does herpes make anything cleaner.

Your comment is blindingly stupid.
 
2012-03-04 05:18:49 PM  

gimmegimme: Mikey1969: FirstNationalBastard: Circumcision is mutilation.

I see no problem with circumcision... My wife doesn't either. This kind of crap is ridiculous though.

Circumcision doesn't "mutilate" anything, it doesn't "disfigure" anything or "inflict serious damage", it makes things cleaner and a little more 'prominent', makes a rather silly looking body part look a lot less silly, but it doesn't destroy or damage anything. I don't know if I could live with myself if my willy looked like a snake wearing a sweater... :-)

Dude. You are commenting in a thread in an article about A BABY THAT IS DEAD BECAUSE IT GOT A CIRCUMCISION. Your comment makes no sense. The multiple babies mentioned in the article were indeed mutilated. The herpes sores on these babies' dicks certainly count as disfiguration and serious damage. How does herpes make anything cleaner.

Your comment is blindingly stupid.


The baby is dead because some dude sucked on his dick when it had an open wound and infected him. Not because of the circumcision. Did you even RTFA?
 
2012-03-04 05:19:08 PM  
When are we going to outlaw inflicting this barbaric practice on children? You want a circumcision? Fine, get one when you're an adult and can choose it for yourself. If you want to inflict indescribable pain and permanently mutilate a person's sexual organs for no medical benefit, it's time to get some serious psychological help. There is _no_ reason this should be done to someone against their will, ever.
 
2012-03-04 05:19:30 PM  

Diogenes The Cynic: Euclid wrote an ancient book. Does that make geometry wrong?


Science bears out his assertions as correct. The ones we still adhere to, anyway.

Your analogy doesn't work.
 
2012-03-04 05:20:33 PM  

Via Infinito: gimmegimme: Mikey1969: FirstNationalBastard: Circumcision is mutilation.

I see no problem with circumcision... My wife doesn't either. This kind of crap is ridiculous though.

Circumcision doesn't "mutilate" anything, it doesn't "disfigure" anything or "inflict serious damage", it makes things cleaner and a little more 'prominent', makes a rather silly looking body part look a lot less silly, but it doesn't destroy or damage anything. I don't know if I could live with myself if my willy looked like a snake wearing a sweater... :-)

Dude. You are commenting in a thread in an article about A BABY THAT IS DEAD BECAUSE IT GOT A CIRCUMCISION. Your comment makes no sense. The multiple babies mentioned in the article were indeed mutilated. The herpes sores on these babies' dicks certainly count as disfiguration and serious damage. How does herpes make anything cleaner.

Your comment is blindingly stupid.

The baby is dead because some dude sucked on his dick when it had an open wound and infected him. Not because of the circumcision. Did you even RTFA?


And why was he sucking on an open wound?... because of the circumcision.
 
2012-03-04 05:27:53 PM  

Via Infinito: gimmegimme: Mikey1969: FirstNationalBastard: Circumcision is mutilation.

I see no problem with circumcision... My wife doesn't either. This kind of crap is ridiculous though.

Circumcision doesn't "mutilate" anything, it doesn't "disfigure" anything or "inflict serious damage", it makes things cleaner and a little more 'prominent', makes a rather silly looking body part look a lot less silly, but it doesn't destroy or damage anything. I don't know if I could live with myself if my willy looked like a snake wearing a sweater... :-)

Dude. You are commenting in a thread in an article about A BABY THAT IS DEAD BECAUSE IT GOT A CIRCUMCISION. Your comment makes no sense. The multiple babies mentioned in the article were indeed mutilated. The herpes sores on these babies' dicks certainly count as disfiguration and serious damage. How does herpes make anything cleaner.

Your comment is blindingly stupid.

The baby is dead because some dude sucked on his dick when it had an open wound and infected him. Not because of the circumcision. Did you even RTFA?


The babies are dead because of circumcision. They were giving disfiguring surgery against their will and infected with herpes. Here is more information about the complications that can arise when you give a child a completely elective surgery against their will: Link (new window)

First, do no harm.
 
2012-03-04 05:31:53 PM  
Oh, and to everyone claiming this is a medical procedure (I'm looking at you, tatsuma),

In order for anything to be a 'medical' procedure, it has to have some inherent benefit for the person involved. Prevention of infection, removal of pain or cancerous material, repair of structural damage, etc. There are no medical benefits to circumcision. It increases likelihood of infection, not decreases.

This is an ancient, barbaric practice invented by brainless, goat-farking savages thousands of years ago. Much like tattoos and piercings. If you want to get one, you wait till you're an adult and can get one for yourself. But nobody should want their child to grow up with a facial tattoo, or a pierced nose. And nobody should want their child to grow up with mutilated genitals.
 
2012-03-04 05:35:31 PM  
Via Infinito, I suggest you go to an actual medical doctor and ask him about the nerve-damage that circumcision causes. Seriously, do it. I'll wait.

Long story short, Circumcision permanently removes 40-60% of the nerve endings surrounding the Glans, as well as the protective barrier that shields it from infection and keeps it clean. Removing the foreskin is like carving off a woman's labia. It's not an acceptable practice in the modern world.
 
2012-03-04 05:37:11 PM  

BurnShrike: Via Infinito: gimmegimme: Mikey1969: FirstNationalBastard: Circumcision is mutilation.

I see no problem with circumcision... My wife doesn't either. This kind of crap is ridiculous though.

Circumcision doesn't "mutilate" anything, it doesn't "disfigure" anything or "inflict serious damage", it makes things cleaner and a little more 'prominent', makes a rather silly looking body part look a lot less silly, but it doesn't destroy or damage anything. I don't know if I could live with myself if my willy looked like a snake wearing a sweater... :-)

Dude. You are commenting in a thread in an article about A BABY THAT IS DEAD BECAUSE IT GOT A CIRCUMCISION. Your comment makes no sense. The multiple babies mentioned in the article were indeed mutilated. The herpes sores on these babies' dicks certainly count as disfiguration and serious damage. How does herpes make anything cleaner.

Your comment is blindingly stupid.

The baby is dead because some dude sucked on his dick when it had an open wound and infected him. Not because of the circumcision. Did you even RTFA?

And why was he sucking on an open wound?... because of the circumcision.


True, but doctors don't suck on baby's dicks. Circumcisions should be done in a hospital where people aren't hungry for teeny peen.
 
2012-03-04 05:38:04 PM  

Diogenes The Cynic: Its not right to say that you alone know the will of G-d. Suggesting that the parents had some sort of defect makes you an a-hole.

Euclid wrote an ancient book. Does that make geometry wrong?


I don't and won't claim to know the will of imaginary beings. The parents did have a defect: They accepted the claims of religion over those of science. They paid the price. I feel bad for the baby, who was innocent, but not for the parents, who should have known better; perhaps they will now.

Euclid's work has been validated by science. And for what it's worth, it's only reliable within two-dimensional space ("plane geometry"). There are higher orders of "non-Euclidean" geometry. For example, a triangle with three right angles is possible, but not within Euclid's geometry.

You're free to call me what you want, and if I'm an asshole for valuing testable science over untestable superstition, especially where they disagree, then I expect I'll live longer and better as an asshole than you will for calling me one.
 
2012-03-04 05:41:04 PM  

Via Infinito: BurnShrike: Via Infinito: gimmegimme: Mikey1969: FirstNationalBastard: Circumcision is mutilation.

I see no problem with circumcision... My wife doesn't either. This kind of crap is ridiculous though.

Circumcision doesn't "mutilate" anything, it doesn't "disfigure" anything or "inflict serious damage", it makes things cleaner and a little more 'prominent', makes a rather silly looking body part look a lot less silly, but it doesn't destroy or damage anything. I don't know if I could live with myself if my willy looked like a snake wearing a sweater... :-)

Dude. You are commenting in a thread in an article about A BABY THAT IS DEAD BECAUSE IT GOT A CIRCUMCISION. Your comment makes no sense. The multiple babies mentioned in the article were indeed mutilated. The herpes sores on these babies' dicks certainly count as disfiguration and serious damage. How does herpes make anything cleaner.

Your comment is blindingly stupid.

The baby is dead because some dude sucked on his dick when it had an open wound and infected him. Not because of the circumcision. Did you even RTFA?

And why was he sucking on an open wound?... because of the circumcision.

True, but doctors don't suck on baby's dicks. Circumcisions should be done in a hospital where people aren't hungry for teeny peen.


What did you think of the link I posted for your perusal?
 
2012-03-04 05:42:16 PM  

shivashakti: Forgive them. This is something that's very foreign to them and they can't imagine a context where a grown man would put a baby's penis in his mouth and have it not be sexual.


In fairness, is there any other situation where someone has their mouth on a penis and it's not sexual? I cannot think of anything, outside of oral sex, where someone would have a penis in their mouth, hence, the reaction.
 
2012-03-04 05:46:36 PM  

MaestroJ: To the people who do support this practice, I wonder if they will support the "religious freedom" of the Mormons to baptize non-Christian graves?


I finally went and looked that up, and there's a bit more to it than that. It's apparently based on genealogy, which the Mormons are very good at. Mormon doctrine allows you to baptise dead relatives, as long as you can prove you're actually related. So what's going on is that they do all this research, and when they feel they've confirmed a solid connection, they go ahead. The reason they seem to keep finding all these unlikely candidates is that so much of the Western world is related. Meaning, probably *most* Westerners are eventually eligible for this -- you, me, lots of people. That renders it a little silly in my mind, but I really do feel that it's meaningful only to the extent that you think it is. If you don't take Mormonism seriously, or religion seriously, then it's just silly and not worth getting worked up over. Let them have their fun, and forget about it.
 
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