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2012-03-04 12:37:58 PM
Comforting to know that religious freedom allows rabbis to give babies blow jobs.
 
2012-03-04 12:38:08 PM

Tatsuma: Salt Lick Steady: Nobody hates you for what you are. They dislike you for what you do and say.

riiiiight and now anti-semitism and the Holocaust and so forth was our fault

Thank you for this absolutely brilliant comment, you are in no way wrong.


Listen, as long has you have a christ complex nobody is going to like you. You don't get some sort of free jew pass.
 
2012-03-04 12:39:32 PM

Tatsuma: for 3,300 plus years


Remember kids: the longer a practice has existed, the less insane it assuredly is, and without exception. Because the older it is, the more it's beyond any possibility or grounds for reproach.

Tatsuma: Thank you for this absolutely brilliant comment, you are in no way wrong.


Thank you for this out of context quote. It in no way applies.

:D
 
2012-03-04 12:39:47 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Nobody hates you for what you are. They dislike you for what you do and say.

You stop doing and saying that, they like you again. Poof!


i'm not sure anyone dislikes me, except for amos quito and his ilk. most of my friends are christian, some even quite church going. but this guy amos is rather... concerned... about what happens in jewish communities.
 
2012-03-04 12:39:49 PM

Tatsuma: ryarger: There is no medical reason for an adult to place their mouth on the genitals of an infant. Perhaps there used to be, but as you yourself said, there are now devices that do this and that are perfectly religiously acceptable.

Therefore we have a man sucking on the dick of an infant for non-medical and non-religious reasons. How in *any* philosophy is this not an unacceptable perversion??

There is a medical reason to do metzitzah peh, it's just that today it is considered dangerous due to new risks of infection, therefore the best way to do it is with a tube, or with a device that will pump the blood for you.

That does not change the fact that it's absolutely not an 'unacceptable perversion'.

shivashakti: Forgive them. This is something that's very foreign to them and they can't imagine a context where a grown man would put a baby's penis in his mouth and have it not be sexual.

I guess so.

Also every day I go to a mikveh, where there are at least a dozen naked men present as well. I'm guessing that they'd sexualize something like that as well.

It's quite impressive to see the shift from a purely puritan society where sex is not mentioned, to a society where the boundaries are now so far that almost everything is sexualized.


Seriously get over yourself and beliefs on this. You across as antiquated and every letter you waste on explanation does not excuse anything. We came from monkeys so everything in our history is sexualized and your vehement pretending that certain people from your tribe don't sexualize things just proves how naieve you are.
 
2012-03-04 12:41:20 PM
Tatsuma trying to explain circumcision and this whole story

3.bp.blogspot.com

Darwin wins, but it wasn't the rabbi with the herp that died unfortunately
 
2012-03-04 12:42:17 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Listen, as long has you have a christ complex nobody is going to like you. You don't get some sort of free jew pass.


You just claimed that no one in the world hates Jews for being Jews, they only hate Jews for what we say and do.

If you don't realize just how utterly retarded that statement is, I just don't know what else to say
 
2012-03-04 12:43:31 PM

Tatsuma: Salt Lick Steady: Listen, as long has you have a christ complex nobody is going to like you. You don't get some sort of free jew pass.

You just claimed that no one in the world hates Jews for being Jews, they only hate Jews for what we say and do.

If you don't realize just how utterly retarded that statement is, I just don't know what else to say


I would love it if you would say you're no longer strongly in favor of baby blow jobs.
 
2012-03-04 12:43:31 PM

SkunkWerks: You're not a Victorian, I take it?


no, but the capital city of my home province is :-)
 
2012-03-04 12:44:05 PM

Tatsuma: Salt Lick Steady: Listen, as long has you have a christ complex nobody is going to like you. You don't get some sort of free jew pass.

You just claimed that no one in the world hates Jews for being Jews, they only hate Jews for what we say and do.

If you don't realize just how utterly retarded that statement is, I just don't know what else to say


You farks have stayed on the cross long enough. Just get down.
 
2012-03-04 12:45:34 PM

Tatsuma: As far as being a 'religious nuts', this is the way that Judaism has held for 3,300 plus years, so really I'm not so much as nuts as following exactly what Judaism dictates.


it's nuts. and if this is the way that it's been done for 3300 years, what good are the teachings of akiva? what good was rambam? is bet yisrael jews? is the temeni hagadda the same as that of parisians?
 
2012-03-04 12:46:42 PM

proteus_b: Salt Lick Steady: Nobody hates you for what you are. They dislike you for what you do and say.

You stop doing and saying that, they like you again. Poof!

i'm not sure anyone dislikes me, except for amos quito and his ilk. most of my friends are christian, some even quite church going. but this guy amos is rather... concerned... about what happens in jewish communities.


Any one should be concerned, jewish or not, that you allow - nay, praise - this practice.
 
2012-03-04 12:47:08 PM

Salt Lick Steady: You farks have stayed on the cross long enough. Just get down.


Yeah you're just another nazi twat. Many around these days.

proteus_b: and if this is the way that it's been done for 3300 years, what good are the teachings of akiva? what good was rambam? is bet yisrael jews? is the temeni hagadda the same as that of parisians?


apples and oranges.

Mitzvot are the same as they were then, including circumcision. Has nothing to do with later teachings elaborating on the mitzvot or the written Torah.
 
2012-03-04 12:47:21 PM

Tatsuma: You just claimed


It must be awfully convenient to "argue" this way
It is like some sort of strawman crossed with a healthy dose of paranoia - and yet still has an overall self importance character

Is Chianti involved ?
 
2012-03-04 12:48:30 PM

coco ebert: Under the practice, the rabbi or mohel removes blood from the wound with his mouth - a practice city health officials have criticized, saying it carried "inherent risks" for babies.

:O


More like :o
 
2012-03-04 12:48:54 PM

Tatsuma: Yeah you're just another nazi twat. Many around these days.


It must be nice being Jewish and being able to pull this any time someone says something you don't like.
 
2012-03-04 12:49:21 PM

proteus_b: Tatsuma: As far as being a 'religious nuts', this is the way that Judaism has held for 3,300 plus years, so really I'm not so much as nuts as following exactly what Judaism dictates.

it's nuts. and if this is the way that it's been done for 3300 years, what good are the teachings of akiva? what good was rambam? is bet yisrael jews? is the temeni hagadda the same as that of parisians?


Ok, you talk the talk. Just who are you?
 
2012-03-04 12:51:00 PM

9beers: Ow My Balls: When our son was born, the doctor was going down his checklist of usual items in a matter of routine, and got to, "...will you want him circumcised?"

We said, "No."

He stopped dead in his tracks, looked up from his paper into our eyes and said a heartfelt, "Good for you. That's a lot more unusual here in the midwest..."

Not one single problem with son's little member, and there has been no maintenance or anything.

Your kid is going to hate you when he becomes an adult.


Bullshiat.
America is the only, ONLY country in the civilized world where people routinely mutilate their newborns genitals.
 
2012-03-04 12:51:03 PM

Aracnix: I didn't have my sons cut. Some people look at me with disbelief when this comes up in conversation (with moms, *everything* is discussed...). I honestly don't get it. There's no reason at all to have this done. There are justifications, but that's not the same thing. There's soap, now. So put away the little tiny knife. Girls get circumcised for religious reasons, too; doesn't make it right or reasonable.


You sounds like a good mom. I want to have your babies.

/wait... what?
//Oedipus' head explodes, and not from the protection of its foreskin
 
2012-03-04 12:51:40 PM

Tatsuma: Functionality implies necessity. This is not a necessary part of the body.


Is this because you can live without it?

You can live without your right arm. Is your right arm not a "necessity"? Would we tolerate a religion that amputates babies?
 
2012-03-04 12:52:25 PM
Tatsuma gimmegimme: Just because Judaism has been around for a long time doesn't make it sensible.

And that was not my point, my point is that I'm not a nut, in as much as this is what Judaism has been prescribing for 3,300 plus years, so I'm following exactly what Judaism dictates

It's really not a hard point to get.


And for 33,000 + years before that, there was human sacrifice. I don't compare circumcision to that, but just saying that the length of time a tradition lasts is not necessarily a sign that the tradition is not "nuts." I don't necessarily think circumcision is nuts. Given that I'm in my 30s and I'm American, I'm glad that I was cut (looked normal in the locker room and no girls ever thought it looked weird; would be a different story if I grew up in Europe). But you'll need to come up with better arguments than longevity if you want to show that it isn't nuts.
 
2012-03-04 12:54:03 PM

proteus_b: Amos Quito: So you're saying that a Jewish boy kidnapped from a hospital right after birth and before being cut...

...would not be considered Jewish by other Jews???

by religious nuts like tatsuma, possibly not.

for nazis like yourself, it's unlikely that there's anything i can do to remove my original sin of having jewish ancestry.



the only reason that anyone knows that you are Jewish is because you insist on announcing it.

I too was raised in a religion, but you don't know what that religion is because I have and want nothing to do with it and never mention it. It is therefore irrelevant to all.

I'm sure that there are many people who, having been born to Jewish mothers, are technically Jews, but who have no interest in associating with the clan, don't run around talking/obsessing about it, and are therefor regarded by their fellow human beings as human beings. If these folks don't burden their children with the knowledge of their ancestry, the kids will grow up thinking of themselves as human and view other folks as human as well, and they will probably live much happier and less stressful lives as a result.

Is there something wrong with this approach?
 
2012-03-04 12:54:10 PM
You know, there are a lot of Haredi sects, from the Hassidim to the Neturei Karta (who are so conservative, they want to abolish Israel; I should point out that they appear to be serious but are not representative of even the haredim). Which one is this?
 
2012-03-04 12:54:14 PM

Hetfield: Here'shiatchens face-raping a rabbi who thinks genital mutilation is a topic for humor


Diogenes The Cynic: proteus_b: Diogenes The Cynic: We didn't abandon anything. Orthodox Judaism is (by nature of what orthodoxy is) unchanged.

since when? it's obviously changed a great deal since biblical times, otherwise the talmud would be considered as heretical as the teachings of jesus or muhammad.

it's also clear that there are vast differences between jews from different parts of the world. there is some common ground; circumcision is definitely one thing which is shared by all the jews.

Ok, concrete examples.

Name them.


Off the top of my head? Well, we have Peach coming up, and the annual disagreement over kitniyot, since she's Ashkenaz and I'm not.

Wait. Never mind. You are absolutely correct: There are no differences among Jews.


/Let's buy a brace of doves, go find a kohein, and make a peace offering.
//Aren't you up for some barbecue?
 
2012-03-04 12:54:31 PM

Tatsuma: Salt Lick Steady: You farks have stayed on the cross long enough. Just get down.

Yeah you're just another nazi twat. Many around these days.

proteus_b: and if this is the way that it's been done for 3300 years, what good are the teachings of akiva? what good was rambam? is bet yisrael jews? is the temeni hagadda the same as that of parisians?

apples and oranges.

Mitzvot are the same as they were then, including circumcision. Has nothing to do with later teachings elaborating on the mitzvot or the written Torah.


Yes, I am a nazi. If that means any one who thinks your practices are wrong. You have an adult suck the blood off an infant who has just been mutilated. And you want to call me wrong. farking call me it. I will be wrong if that is the measure of right. fark you.
 
2012-03-04 12:55:57 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Any one should be concerned, jewish or not, that you allow - nay, praise - this practice.


i have not allowed or praised the practice. i was circumcised at birth (in that hospital, incidentally).

there are proportionate levels of concern. i was joking as much as you were when i referred to "inferior gentiles". many of my friends are christian, some even rather devout. i am not religous. amos quito shows a disproportionate amount of concern for what happens in the jewish community. it's unlikely that he's a large fan of hindus, muslims, mexicans, blacks, or any number of other groups. but he is in particular very very concerned about what jews do. he will frequently claim that he is merely concerned about human rights abuses committed by the state of israel.

i trust that you are not an anti-semite and merely sick of people over-playing the "jew card". that's a reasonable view. people like amos quito, who seem to spend every waking hour worrying about the latest threat to humanity posed by jews, do not hold reasonable views.
 
2012-03-04 12:57:42 PM
And no matter whether think circumcision is a good thing, the whole metzitzeh b'peh thing needs to go. The state has a compelling interest in making sure infants don't get molested and killed like this poor child was. This compelling interest overrides any 1st amendment considerations. The rabbi needs to be prosecuted for criminal sexual contact on a child (or whatever the N.Y. equivalent is) and manslaughter.
 
2012-03-04 12:57:58 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Hetfield: Here'shiatchens face-raping a rabbi who thinks genital mutilation is a topic for humor

Diogenes The Cynic: proteus_b: Diogenes The Cynic: We didn't abandon anything. Orthodox Judaism is (by nature of what orthodoxy is) unchanged.

since when? it's obviously changed a great deal since biblical times, otherwise the talmud would be considered as heretical as the teachings of jesus or muhammad.

it's also clear that there are vast differences between jews from different parts of the world. there is some common ground; circumcision is definitely one thing which is shared by all the jews.

Ok, concrete examples.

Name them.

Off the top of my head? Well, we have Peach coming up, and the annual disagreement over kitniyot, since she's Ashkenaz and I'm not.

Wait. Never mind. You are absolutely correct: There are no differences among Jews.


/Let's buy a brace of doves, go find a kohein, and make a peace offering.
//Aren't you up for some barbecue?


And we can find exactly the circumstances under which the Ashkanazim decided to not eat kitniot. We know the year. We know the reasons. Its all recorded, and out in the open.

And, we also, unfortunately know the year when the Temple was destroyed, so we can't perform any offerings.
 
2012-03-04 12:58:04 PM

BronyMedic: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

According to the US Census, so is Jedi and Sith. Why won't you accept that Obi Wan Kenobi died for your sins, letrole?


The part in bold is incorrect.

The U.S. Census does not ask about religion. (new window)

You're thinking about other English speaking countries. (new window)
 
2012-03-04 12:59:17 PM

proteus_b: there are proportionate levels of concern. i was joking as much as you were when i referred to "inferior gentiles". many of my friends are christian, some even rather devout. i am not religous. amos quito shows a disproportionate amount of concern for what happens in the jewish community. it's unlikely that he's a large fan of hindus, muslims, mexicans, blacks, or any number of other groups. but he is in particular very very concerned about what jews do. he will frequently claim that he is merely concerned about human rights abuses committed by the state of israel.


Human rights issues affect all of us. That's why they're called human rights, and not Jewish rights.

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing'
 
2012-03-04 12:59:25 PM

iollow: You can live without your right arm. Is your right arm not a "necessity"? Would we tolerate a religion that amputates babies?


A baby is not a necessary part of a body. I therefore believe that God wants abortions.

What?
 
2012-03-04 12:59:50 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Yes, I am a nazi.


You are because you blamed anti-semitism on us, then called us farks who need to get off our cross.
 
2012-03-04 01:00:16 PM
Circumsision is simply not worth the effort as the benefits are heavily outweighed by the downside as this sad case so painfully illustrates.

/Cut.
//Not best pleased with that decision.
///Circumcision threads demand slashies.
 
2012-03-04 01:00:27 PM

LordFlashheart: I don't often comment on much of anything. Mostly because I'm late for the party.

I was circumsized at the behest of my mother for cleanliness reasoning and she was an RN. I don't remember the pain of it so it didn't become a con when my own son was circumsized, It wasn't done for the Abrahamic reasons but for ultimately cosmetic ones. Who do I feel about that? I don't know, he'll never have a woman freak out at the moment of presentation and if he wants to convert to Judaism the job is half done I guess.


Who do I feel about that?
Who do I feel about that?
Who do I feel about that?
 
2012-03-04 01:01:30 PM

Tatsuma: You are because you blamed anti-semitism on us, then called us farks who need to get off our cross


Calling someone a nazi is pretty farking offensive
Do you even know what an actual nazi is anymore ?
 
2012-03-04 01:02:09 PM

Tatsuma: Salt Lick Steady: Yes, I am a nazi.

You are because you blamed anti-semitism on us, then called us farks who need to get off our cross.


Yes, it is your cross that you need to down from. Else stop the pity party.
 
2012-03-04 01:03:49 PM
Tatsuma

Also I have to say, those of you who ascribe sexualized intentions to a medical procedure on a 8 days old toddler have big big problems and I wouldn't let you around my children without supervision.


Religious man with herpes sucks a child's penis, and if you think that's a bit suspect you're the pedophile.
 
2012-03-04 01:04:11 PM

Tatsuma: Salt Lick Steady: Yes, I am a nazi.

You are because you blamed anti-semitism on us, then called us farks who need to get off our cross.


Correlation is not causality.
 
2012-03-04 01:04:22 PM

Amos Quito: I'm sure that there are many people who, having been born to Jewish mothers, are technically Jews, but who have no interest in associating with the clan, don't run around talking/obsessing about it, and are therefor regarded by their fellow human beings as human beings. If these folks don't burden their children with the knowledge of their ancestry, the kids will grow up thinking of themselves as human and view other folks as human as well, and they will probably live much happier and less stressful lives as a result.

Is there something wrong with this approach?


you know, i consider myself a humanist. the only jewish ritual i indulge in is the fast on yom kipur.

yes, and while i detest the abuses committed by religious people of all religions... including the practice in the article... you seem to be overly concerned with the abuses committed by jews.

are you going to condemn the millions killed by christian crusades? the millions who suffered from the forced conversion by catholics in south and central america, africa, south asia, etc. etc.? the millions slaughtered by hindus? by buddhists? animists?

no, you reserve your condemnation for the jews. i know that it's time that someone finally stood up and condemned the jews---a group which has gotten off scot free in all their history. for this we thank you. thank you for bringing the matter to our attention.
 
2012-03-04 01:04:58 PM

Tatsuma: How about you read the article that I posted about this, which covers this whole thing?


How about you give a simple one-sentence answer and not demand that I search through an article whose credibility is unknown to me? It's not a complicated question. Does it reduce infection? (apparently not). Does it speed healing? (i doubt it). Does it nourish the rabbi? (trivial amount of blood for that).

I'm not going to read your link any more than i'd follow a link to nambla.org posted by a pedophilia apologist.
 
2012-03-04 01:05:59 PM

proteus_b: no, you reserve your condemnation for the jews. i know that it's time that someone finally stood up and condemned the jews---a group which has gotten off scot free in all their history. for this we thank you. thank you for bringing the matter to our attention.


Oh come on, haven't you seen him tirelessly advocating for the life of the ten thousand syrians who have been killed so far?

He will not rest until justice is rendered!
 
2012-03-04 01:06:16 PM

LordFlashheart: he'll never have a woman freak out at the moment of presentation


Them opening their mouths is not done out of shock or horror.

And i have a sneaking suspicion women find all penises kind of funny looking. A slight alteration isn't going to make much difference, unless, of course, it kills you.
 
2012-03-04 01:06:45 PM

proteus_b: Amos Quito: I'm sure that there are many people who, having been born to Jewish mothers, are technically Jews, but who have no interest in associating with the clan, don't run around talking/obsessing about it, and are therefor regarded by their fellow human beings as human beings. If these folks don't burden their children with the knowledge of their ancestry, the kids will grow up thinking of themselves as human and view other folks as human as well, and they will probably live much happier and less stressful lives as a result.

Is there something wrong with this approach?

you know, i consider myself a humanist. the only jewish ritual i indulge in is the fast on yom kipur.

yes, and while i detest the abuses committed by religious people of all religions... including the practice in the article... you seem to be overly concerned with the abuses committed by jews.

are you going to condemn the millions killed by christian crusades? the millions who suffered from the forced conversion by catholics in south and central america, africa, south asia, etc. etc.? the millions slaughtered by hindus? by buddhists? animists?

no, you reserve your condemnation for the jews. i know that it's time that someone finally stood up and condemned the jews---a group which has gotten off scot free in all their history. for this we thank you. thank you for bringing the matter to our attention.


The crusades are not only as despicable, they are more. Don't let that make you rest at night.
 
2012-03-04 01:06:45 PM

proteus_b: are you going to condemn the millions killed by christian crusades? the millions who suffered from the forced conversion by catholics in south and central america, africa, south asia, etc. etc.? the millions slaughtered by hindus? by buddhists? animists?


I must've missed all those Fark threads, or you would've seen me in there attacking those actions as well.

But seriously, when was the last time a crusade article popped up here?
 
2012-03-04 01:07:31 PM

AndreMA: How about you give a simple one-sentence answer


Newsflash: most questions in life cannot be answered with a simple bullet point.

It's quite revealing that this is what you'd expect, however.
 
2012-03-04 01:10:59 PM
The Catholics can learn a thing or two from the jews: ritualize the pedophile perversion and you don't have to worry about moving your cardinals all over the country like they're in the witness protection program.
 
2012-03-04 01:12:37 PM

9beers: Ow My Balls: When our son was born, the doctor was going down his checklist of usual items in a matter of routine, and got to, "...will you want him circumcised?"

We said, "No."

He stopped dead in his tracks, looked up from his paper into our eyes and said a heartfelt, "Good for you. That's a lot more unusual here in the midwest..."

Not one single problem with son's little member, and there has been no maintenance or anything.

Your kid is going to hate you when he becomes an adult.


MIne doesn't and he is 20, and apparently quite functional and clean, so he says. His girlfriend of 4 years doesn't seem particularly upset with his bits being in their original configuration.
 
2012-03-04 01:12:50 PM
Religion: Is there any discussing behavior they can't justify?

/Or haven't already justified?
 
2012-03-04 01:14:23 PM

proteus_b: Salt Lick Steady: Any one should be concerned, jewish or not, that you allow - nay, praise - this practice.

i have not allowed or praised the practice. i was circumcised at birth (in that hospital, incidentally).

there are proportionate levels of concern. i was joking as much as you were when i referred to "inferior gentiles". many of my friends are christian, some even rather devout. i am not religous. amos quito shows a disproportionate amount of concern for what happens in the jewish community. it's unlikely that he's a large fan of hindus, muslims, mexicans, blacks, or any number of other groups. but he is in particular very very concerned about what jews do. he will frequently claim that he is merely concerned about human rights abuses committed by the state of israel.

i trust that you are not an anti-semite and merely sick of people over-playing the "jew card". that's a reasonable view. people like amos quito, who seem to spend every waking hour worrying about the latest threat to humanity posed by jews, do not hold reasonable views.



I am a harsh critic of Zionism and the influence that Zionists - inside AND outside of Israel have on the world at large and the US in particular.

If I seem to be disproportionately concerned with Zionists (which you and your ilk insist on twisting into J00S), it is because Zionists and the Zionist State have a disproportionately strong and, IMO, NEGATIVE (bad) influence on the affairs of my nation and the world at large.

Right now your Fearless Leader Bibi is in my country lobbying his ass off to try to con the US into starting WWIII for the benefit of the Zionist State - I don't like war, especially when it is prosecuted unjustly using lies, deception, trickery and political pressure - and for the benefit of a shiatt little country that has brought NOTHING BUT TROUBLE to the region AND the planet since long before it was declared a nation.

I don't biatch about Haiti, Iceland, New Zealand, the Philippines, etc because they're not constantly raising hell and creating a ruckus with the whole planet, are they?

You call me a Jew-hater because it's the only defense you have. You can't deny the shait that the Zionists constantly stir up, and you can't rationalize it, so your only option is your pathetic and dishonest ad hominem assaults.

Have a nice day.
 
2012-03-04 01:14:40 PM

BurnShrike: Human rights issues affect all of us. That's why they're called human rights, and not Jewish rights.


yes, and in this sense i have no problem with people condemning this ritual. but according to its level of barbarity, and the proportional amount of barbarity in the world. some people spend an inordinate amount of time condemning jews, jewish rituals, and the jewish state. none of those things are beyond reproach, but let's be reasonable about the level of criticism we level.

in the same year that this child died, 40,000 americans will be killed in car accidents. a large number of those, if not almost all of them, could have been directly avoided if only people could be bothered to pay attention to the road, not drive in an extraordinarily intoxicated state, or to not drive aggressively. should we have 40,000 fark threads wherein we condemn americans as a bunch of indifferent scum?
 
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