Tatsuma: And my point is that no, this is not a 'functional' part of the body that's needed at all to have a 100% functioning body.

Circumcision decreases penile sensitivity, so yes, the foreskin is necessary for a person to have a "100% functional body."

BurnShrike: So God made him do it? If he didn't have the desire to do it, then the impetus to put his mouth on a child's penis must've come from somewhere else. Where did it come from?

I am not having this discussion anymore with you. I have both explained this, and linked to a thorough explanation. You clearly do not care discussing this, just bashing.

So bash away, I'm done.

Who's the pervert, the one who makes you put a child's penis in your mouth? or the guy who actually follows through and does it?

The one who sexualizes it.

Some people will sure go far in trying to excuse taking a knife to a child's genitals.

Disgusting.

Tatsuma: I have been to possibly 60-70 of those over the years, easily

I can relate. When I was 18-early 20s I must have put a dozen strippers through college. We all have our things.

ryarger: There is no medical reason for an adult to place their mouth on the genitals of an infant. Perhaps there used to be, but as you yourself said, there are now devices that do this and that are perfectly religiously acceptable.

Therefore we have a man sucking on the dick of an infant for non-medical and non-religious reasons. How in *any* philosophy is this not an unacceptable perversion??

There is a medical reason to do metzitzah peh, it's just that today it is considered dangerous due to new risks of infection, therefore the best way to do it is with a tube, or with a device that will pump the blood for you.

That does not change the fact that it's absolutely not an 'unacceptable perversion'.

shivashakti: Forgive them. This is something that's very foreign to them and they can't imagine a context where a grown man would put a baby's penis in his mouth and have it not be sexual.

I guess so.

Also every day I go to a mikveh, where there are at least a dozen naked men present as well. I'm guessing that they'd sexualize something like that as well.

It's quite impressive to see the shift from a purely puritan society where sex is not mentioned, to a society where the boundaries are now so far that almost everything is sexualized.

BurnShrike: Who's the pervert, the one who makes you put a child's penis in your mouth? or the guy who actually follows through and does it?

Was that Obi Wan's line? Did they change it for the special edition?

casual disregard: . I don't think there is any reason for infant circumcision amongst the outsiders to your faith.

Agreed. It's a purely religious event, and is absolutely not necessary for anyone outside of Judaism (or Islam).

shivashakti: Also, Tatsuma, you've been around here long enough to know how contentious circumcision threads are around here. Combine that with the anti-religion attitude that's rife on Fark/TF, and it's really no surprise how this thread's gone.

Oh, I'm used to people bashing circumcision and religion. I'm just creeped out by those bringing a sexual aspect into play

lizaardvark: Tatsuma: Functionality implies necessity. This is not a necessary part of the body.

There's a macabre humor involved in reading this excuse for amputating parts of childrens' bodies. How far shall we run with this? I'm betting we don't need external ears, either.

I'm not using my pinkie toes. Maybe some old dude can cut them off and suck the blood.

Tatsuma: Fair_Poopsmith: Huh. Interestingish. Is there any system in place to ensure that rabbis performing this procedure are disease-free?

Generally there is, and this is absolutely something that you can inquire, and most mohelim gets regular shots against diseases such as hepatitis and so on. They can provide medical records showing that as well if you ask.

A mohel with herpes would be someone who just caught it recently and did not realize it yet, it would have to be invisible otherwise they certainly would be disqualified as a mohel the second it showed. Certainly with the mouth, and even with the tube. They themselves will stop in general.

There are very very very few communities that still use the mouth as the generally used method, the vast vast majority use the tube method.

Okay, just checking. As a fairly anti-religious atheist, I'm okay with this, so long as the Jewish community is aware of any risks. Thanks for clarifying.

The rest of you, what the hell are you so concerned about? Nobody's forcing you to be part of this particular ritual. If you're opposed to circumcision in principle, then you should have been fighting against it regardless.

casual disregard: Okay, I'm not familiar with this. I thought one of the main grievances with Greek-style life was that they were naked practically all the time? Now you're naked at church? I demand that you educate me on this mikveh.

A mikveh is a ritual bath where men go to be purified. This is where the idea of baptism actually comes from. Only men with men, and women with women, and absolutely in an enclosed space.

That's the difference with the greeks, who worshipped the body, nudity was on display publicly, both male and female, and sexual relations where not within the context of marriage, but the context of 'let's just do it guys'

Smoking GNU: I thought you were done arguing this topic on this thread.

No, I was done discussing with one person who couldn't be bothered to read what I was writing, or the explanations I was linking to. Not quite the same.

I'm also done with idiots who believe that this is in any way a sexual activity, for the record.

Tatsuma: Smoking GNU: I thought you were done arguing this topic on this thread.

No, I was done discussing with one person who couldn't be bothered to read what I was writing, or the explanations I was linking to. Not quite the same.

I'm also done with idiots who believe that this is in any way a sexual activity, for the record.

I don't think it's sexual...just fkn ridiculous.

For the record.

Well I'm not Jewish but I'm glad they lopped me, only because girls at least here in the States can be freaked out by an uncircumcised member. Besides which, I'm huge as it is so I could stand to have a little taken off the top, I don't want to scare the hell out of everyone. I'm pretty sure no one sucked me off though. Wouldn't a kid have repressed memories of that? It seems like something that would stay with a kid, even if it's in his subconscious.

Fair_Poopsmith: Okay, just checking. As a fairly anti-religious atheist, I'm okay with this, so long as the Jewish community is aware of any risks. Thanks for clarifying.

The rest of you, what the hell are you so concerned about? Nobody's forcing you to be part of this particular ritual. If you're opposed to circumcision in principle, then you should have been fighting against it regardless.

Posts like this is why you are favorited as a pretty cool dude.

And yes the community is aware of the risks, and literally you have one case every year, where often its not even determined that the mohel caused the death. There are for example problems with the clamp that cuts the umbilical cord is not properly sterilized, which will lead to a staph infection, and creates very similar symptoms to a case where a mohel with herpes would have contaminated the child.

And again this happens maybe once every couple of years or so. It's a tragedy, but also extremely rare.

Also, for the people who are oh so worried with infections:


There are literally tens of thousands of Americans every year who die because their doctors or nurses didn't properly wash their hands, versus possibly one child who dies from this every couple of years or so.

As tragic the latter case obviously is, attention should really be focused on the former than the latter, since as a community we're already taking care of that.

casual disregard: /FWIW I'm probably the only farker who doesn't think you are Mein

There's at least... 20 of you out there! Anyone who would use a bit of logic would realize based on clear evidence I'm not him, but whatever I just can't care anymore.

Um, well, that's horrific.