EvilEgg: ShawnDoc: Lionel Mandrake: I don't think Christians suck infant cock, but then again, I'm not a Christian.

Its only the Catholics who do it. And depending on the denomination of the Christian you ask, Catholics may or may not be considered Christian.

Why wouldn't Catholics be Christians? Aren't they the original ones and all the rest are splinter groups off of them.

Yes. Catholics are the original Christians. If not for Catholics there would be no Lutherans, Baptists, et al. In fact, the Methodists still say "I believe in the Catholic Church" or some variance in their prayers.

Ed Finnerty: People, and the Gods is they invent are really obsessed with wangs.

FTFY

Problem is they used twitchy the mohel.

I'm surprised so many people didn't know about this practice.

YAY we get to bash religion!

/could be worse

...Words cannot describe....the amount of hatred I have right now. I just can't love and tolerate this.

/I've seen neonatal herpes encephalitis. Intractable Seizures. Horrid way to die.

NicoFinn: I'm surprised so many people didn't know about this practice.

That's right. Everyone should know by now just how batshiat crazy religion makes people.

DRTFT or TFA, guessing it's when the dude sucked the blood off the baby's dick...reading TFA now...

Yup. Crazy farkers. religion needs to die.

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

According to the US Census, so is Jedi and Sith. Why won't you accept that Obi Wan Kenobi died for your sins, letrole?

BurnShrike: NicoFinn: I'm surprised so many people didn't know about this practice.

That's right. Everyone should know by now just how batshiat crazy religion makes people.

Not exactly the angle I meant, but now that you put it that way. Required reading (new window)?

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Le Troll is your surname.

HBK: Yes. Catholics are the original Christians. If not for Catholics there would be no Lutherans, Baptists, et al. In fact, the Methodists still say "I believe in the Catholic Church" or some variance in their prayers.

Whereas Christians will say they believe in Jesus.

Catholics worship many things -- Mary, Saints, Relics, the Church itself. If you pray to Mary, you worship her. If you pray to saints, you worship them. If you have faith in some some bone fragment or burial shroud, you worship it.

demaL-demaL-yeH: That mohel was doing it wrong: The stated purpose of metziza tradition is to protect the child's health.
Mohels still perform the suction to keep to the Talmudic tradition, but not with direct oral contact rather via a sterile tube that has one way suction.

As for those who object to circumcision as a barbaric custom, Tziporah agrees.
It's our religion and our covenant.

Just like you cannot have illegal stipulations in a contract, you cannot have illegal rules in your religion. Last time I checked, maiming was illegal.

No, I really couldn't have guessed, subby.

BronyMedic: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

According to the US Census, so is Jedi and Sith. Why won't you accept that Obi Wan Kenobi died for your sins, letrole?

I don't want to. I have free will. I'm sure you think have some sort of point there.

NicoFinn: I'm surprised so many people didn't know about this practice.

Yeah, same. I saw the headline and knew exactly what it was talking about. That's farked, man.

If we're going to turn this into a circumcision thread, I'd just like to point out that I don't care if people do it, but the guys involved should be able to choose whether to do it or not later in life, rather than having it forced upon them before they even know their name.

If it's a religious thread, I'll just say that many things would be a lot simpler if there was no religion. Life would probably be quite a bit nicer, too.

/think I covered all the bases
//this guy should have never gotten on the diamond

buckler: DRTFT or TFA, guessing it's when the dude sucked the blood off the baby's dick...reading TFA now...

Yup. Crazy farkers. religion needs to die.

No sh*t.
I've attended a bris but never saw the sucking of blood. This is just insane, but hey, I'm a shiksa and don't really understand.

NicoFinn: I'm surprised so many people didn't know about this practice.

It's not like this is the first time this procedure has been discussed on Fark. It's how I was able to accurately guess the question posed by the headline.

Because (judeo-christian false) god (that doesn't exist) knows I would not have heard about such a practice otherwise.

/born catholic, got out of that game a long time ago

There must be some kind of solution for this jewish problem.
/wait that doesn't sound right.

letrole: I don't want to. I have free will. I'm sure you think have some sort of point there.

No, you have the illusion of free will, while in reality being guided by your anger and vitriol. Fear and anger lead to the dark side. Lead to suffering and destruction. Let go of your hatred, letrole, and come back to the Light. Search your feelings, you know it to be true. Allow the force to guide your life.

Tatsuma.

What's this all about?

Come give us the lowdown. Please?

God intelligently designed you in his image. Except that bit of skin on your penis. He got distracted making women's breasts and forgot to finish that part. If you don't hack it off your babies you're reminding God of his bad memory and he'll hate you forever.

This was done back then for medical reason, and those reasons are still valid today. However, in the vast vast vast majority of cases, they are performed through sterile tubes, and not directly with the mouth, in order to prevent situations like this.

This is of course an incredible tragedy, but far from the norm nowadays, as brit milah by a competent mohel is about as safe as it gets, bar the very rare and exceptional tragedy such as this

cryinoutloud: :
I wonder if he sucks it, or just gently laps it up. Because I don't want to know either way.

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes.

Tatsuma: This is of course an incredible tragedy, but far from the norm nowadays, as brit milah by a competent mohel is about as safe as it gets, bar the very rare and exceptional tragedy such as this

Yeah, you know. Perfectly safe. Except the horrendous pain the infant experiences when being circumcised without even local anesthetic, scarring, infection, and loss of function that can occur.

You know, since we're on that note, why are Mohels performing a surgical procedure which is done when medically indicated in a surgical suite under general anesthetic, again?

/not against circumcision in general, just against someone without the initials "M.D." behind their name performing it.
//It's not the biblical age, Tats. Why must infants suffer?

Tatsuma: This was done back then for medical reason, and those reasons are still valid today. However, in the vast vast vast majority of cases, they are performed through sterile tubes, and not directly with the mouth, in order to prevent situations like this.

This is of course an incredible tragedy, but far from the norm nowadays, as brit milah by a competent mohel is about as safe as it gets, bar the very rare and exceptional tragedy such as this

That's also assuming you don't think "mutilating an unwilling infant" is a tragedy.

Tatsuma: This was done back then for medical reason, and those reasons are still valid today. However, in the vast vast vast majority of cases, they are performed through sterile tubes, and not directly with the mouth, in order to prevent situations like this.

This is of course an incredible tragedy, but far from the norm nowadays, as brit milah by a competent mohel is about as safe as it gets, bar the very rare and exceptional tragedy such as this

Huh. Interestingish. Is there any system in place to ensure that rabbis performing this procedure are disease-free?

Fair_Poopsmith: Huh. Interestingish. Is there any system in place to ensure that rabbis performing this procedure are disease-free?

I don't even think that Rabbis that do it have to be physicians.

God made the world and it was good, except the part that would require man to intervene into the physical workings of the human body in order to properly operate in this God created world.

/please put your penance in the offering plate
//please continue to muck up the Eden of Earth with all your man-made industrially polluting rationalities.

Soooooo, how many more babies are the authorities going to let this guy infect or kill? Cause, maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anything about charges being brought against him.

By the way, subby, you win, because never in a million years would I have believed it.

BronyMedic: You know, since we're on that note, why are Mohels performing a surgical procedure which is done when medically indicated in a surgical suite under general anesthetic, again?

Do you realize that many doctors are trained by professional mohelim? Also that mohelim are considered to be much better than doctors at this particular surgery most of the time?

/not against circumcision in general, just against someone without the initials "M.D." behind their name performing it.This article is a fairly good explanation as to why

BronyMedic: Yeah, you know. Perfectly safe. Except the horrendous pain the infant experiences when being circumcised without even local anesthetic, scarring, infection, and loss of function that can occur.

Except that it's not "horrendously" painful. They stop crying almost immediately. In the last years, there's barely a month where I don't go to one circumcision. Often, more than once. The baby cries for a few seconds, and it's over. Scarring and infection are quite rare, and I'm not going to go into that 'loss of function' discussion.

i was circumcised in that hospital.

hey, circumcision is a good look.. regardless of religion.

but keep your mouth of my kids bleeding dick, weirdo

This story is hard to swallow.

/circumcision is unnecessary. Done for religion / tradition.

//chose not to do it to my babby. I couldnt imagine unnecessarily making him cry and suffer (vs, say, immunizations). Parents not amused.

letrole: I don't want to. I have free will. I'm sure you think have some sort of point there.

BronyMedic: No, you have the illusion of free will, while in reality being guided by your anger and vitriol. Fear and anger lead to the dark side. Lead to suffering and destruction. Let go of your hatred, letrole, and come back to the Light. Search your feelings, you know it to be true. Allow the force to guide your life.

A big problem is that your religion is composed only of converts. Since members can't get laid, they can't have children to bring up in the faith.

Fair_Poopsmith: Huh. Interestingish. Is there any system in place to ensure that rabbis performing this procedure are disease-free?

Generally there is, and this is absolutely something that you can inquire, and most mohelim gets regular shots against diseases such as hepatitis and so on. They can provide medical records showing that as well if you ask.

A mohel with herpes would be someone who just caught it recently and did not realize it yet, it would have to be invisible otherwise they certainly would be disqualified as a mohel the second it showed. Certainly with the mouth, and even with the tube. They themselves will stop in general.

There are very very very few communities that still use the mouth as the generally used method, the vast vast majority use the tube method.

Tatsuma: This was done back then for medical reason, and those reasons are still valid today.

What reason, and why is it still valid?

Natural selection. Parents unwilling to join the modern world are the cause. If they didn't ask for this kind of thing the penis sucking rabbi would have to earn money a different way. Can't really blame him. Probably didnt even know he had the herp - asymptomatic carrier.

Incorporate new knowledge or fail to pass on genes.

For those who are interested into an in-depth article about this, the Orthodox Union produced a good one

Also you will notice this:

The New York State Department of Health recently formulated the following solution to the metzizah b'peh controversy. The agreed-upon solution is to permit a subsequent metzitzah after situation 5 takes place only if the mohel takes preventive anti-herpes medication on the day of the brit milah and for at least three days before it.

I will require this from the mohel of my children. This, and the tube.

I... I... it... wh... GAH! So not right. It's a religion thing, I get that, but we do have things like gauze, and sterilization, and those little vacuums that they use to suck up blood.

buckler: What reason, and why is it still valid?

Just read the articles I posted in my last post.

Tatsuma: I'm not going to go into that 'loss of function' discussion.

How about the "maiming a child who is unable to consent" discussion?

With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.

BurnShrike: How about the "maiming a child who is unable to consent" discussion?

Are you against piercing ears of children as well?

Tatsuma: For those who are interested into an in-depth article about this, the Orthodox Union produced a good one

Also you will notice this:

The New York State Department of Health recently formulated the following solution to the metzizah b'peh controversy. The agreed-upon solution is to permit a subsequent metzitzah after situation 5 takes place only if the mohel takes preventive anti-herpes medication on the day of the brit milah and for at least three days before it.

I will require this from the mohel of my children. This, and the tube.

And why not just dispense with the dick-sucking, tube or not, and smear some antibiotic gel on the wound if the circumcision is deemed necessary?

Tatsuma: BurnShrike: How about the "maiming a child who is unable to consent" discussion?

Are you against piercing ears of children as well?

Piercing ears doesn't permanently remove a functional part of their body.

letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

you don't even try anymore