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2012-03-03 04:03:03 PM

tigermouth: I work at a college, and believe me, threatening to sue is a regular occurrence from our lovely snowflake students & their helicopter parents.

Seemed that the school did their part & offered the student another room. And it is the girl's fault if she wasn't specific about the issues she had with her roommate. How can college officials expect to help mediate a situation when they aren't give all the details?

Typically, when roommate conflicts pop up, we talk to each student separately, then bring them together in a controlled situation to have a mediation from an undergrad RA, a grad student staff member or a professional staff member. If that doesn't work, then we move one or more parties when they request it, if there is space. In some schools, there just aren't any available rooms to move the student into - I know we were at capacity this year and we ended up having to move people temporarily into RA rooms when they were at each other's throats (these kids don't know how to communicate at all).

Often times, the annoyed student will demand that we move the offending student out of the room. It doesn't work that way. YOU have the problem? You move....you have control over that part. But they usually want to keep the room, or be the one to "win" in the situation & stay in the room. We can't kick someone out unless their is documented proof that they are a danger to themselves or the community.

Girl needed to tell staff what the issues were, and she needed to suck it up and take the other rooms she was offered! College living is not immaculate....

If she wanted 5 star accommodations, she should've stayed in the hotel or gotten a nice place off campus w/ Daddy's money.


Why would she have to move? Its the other girl that was causing problems, not her. She went to a religious school, that should at least have some guarantee that she wouldn't have to put up with this kind of thing. Look at BYU, they don't allow ANYTHING like this over there.

I had a problem when I lived on campus. I lived in a 4 bed/2 bath apartment with 3 other guys. My problem was, one of my roommates (the one I shared a bathroom with) invited his friend to stay there for free for like 2 years. It wouldn't have had a problem, except for the fact that this dude was HORRIBLE to live with. He was a complete fool, he was working but apparently couldn't get a place because he had knocked some girl up and she was trying to find him to collect child support. He would clog the toilet once a WEEK, and routinely left nasty shiat behind on the seat. He'd piss on my rug and use my towels when he showered. Doesn't sound that bad, except for the fact that the dude STANK. My bedroom was furthest back in the apt, and I swear you could smell him right when he walked in the door. He smelled so bad he stunk up the washer and dryer (he'd also wash and dry pairs of SHOES all the time breaking both appliances), he would stink up towels and the bathroom just from taking a shower, etc. He ruined a lot of my shiat and other things in the common area and stole minor things like glasses, plates, silverware, etc.

I'm glad I didn't have to share a room with the fool. Him and my roommate would leave their door open at all times, and they'd tag-team girls in there. I had to put up with hearing that, and this dude's horrible "donkey-bray" laugh constantly. Nothing like chilling out with friends, to hear this fool laugh like a complete idiot so loud it was like he was right next to my ear.

Pretty much everything he did was against code of conduct. When I talked to my RA and housing coordinator though, they wouldn't do shiat. They basically said that they would have to be there watching him commiting these offenses to "press charges" against him. Also said that they had to have definitive proof he was living there, to kick him out. His laptop and shoes and shiat in the common area and my roommate's room apparently weren't enough for that, and/or for some reason they couldn't hold things found during room inspection against him.

According to you, in my situation, I would've had to leave.....FARK THAT. The person causing problems should be at fault and forced to move, and/or face diciplinary action. Why would the person putting up with problems have to put up with MORE to move?
 
2012-03-03 04:04:49 PM

lwpengy: Another Friday night
And I ain't got nobody
I'm here listening
While my roomy get laid
Oh how I wish
I could just make some money
I'm in an awful state

She blew him just a week ago
And now its almost every night
If not shes in front of her puter
Playing with her cooter
Its really an ob setting sight

Another Friday night
And I ain't got nobody
I'm here listening
While my roomy get laid
Oh how I wish
I could just make some money
I'm in an awful state


Back home I'd be swingin. Two chicks on my arm.
 
2012-03-03 04:12:47 PM
www.dailyhaha.com

"Oh God I can't snort coke in zero gravity no fair!"
 
2012-03-03 04:17:03 PM

Tinton: According to you, in my situation, I would've had to leave.....FARK THAT. The person causing problems should be at fault and forced to move, and/or face diciplinary action. Why would the person putting up with problems have to put up with MORE to move?


To avoid living with an unwelcome stinky thief.

Since your attempt to have the guy removed failed, leave. My situation got pretty ugly as the year went on. 2 guys stopped paying rent and one started inviting others over to do drugs literally morning, noon and night. Things started disappearing, my stuff was rifled through, and I GTFO.

The gal in the article had her options and refused them. She can only blame herself.
 
2012-03-03 04:22:24 PM
Why would someone apparently getting so much regular action resort to skype-farking?
 
2012-03-03 04:24:26 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Why would someone apparently getting so much regular action resort to skype-farking?


What if one of them was in a lecture at the time eh?
 
2012-03-03 04:26:46 PM
Blankmeyer said her roommate had sex with her boyfriend while she was trying to sleep

The actual problem is a vague pronoun reference,
 
2012-03-03 04:30:11 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Why would someone apparently getting so much regular action resort to skype-farking?


Who cares? What we need here are links.
 
2012-03-03 04:30:38 PM
Has it occurred to her to actually, y'know, TALK to her roommate and see if they can work out a compromise?

Or maybe smack a broom handle against the wall and yell "Shut the fark up or I'm coming over to join you."

Or play loud music in response? ...I recommend techno.

That usually shut them up.
 
2012-03-03 04:33:45 PM

Ishkur: "Shut the fark up or I'm coming over to join you."


I would then promply not shut the fark up.
 
2012-03-03 04:34:37 PM

BumpInTheNight: What if one of them was in a lecture at the time eh?


Kids these days...
 
2012-03-03 04:35:56 PM

MoronLessOff: I would then promply not shut the fark up.


I don't know...is it a coed dorm, and how hot is my roommate?
 
2012-03-03 04:37:39 PM

Ishkur: Or play loud music in response? ...I recommend techno


Depending on your particular choice in techno, you may just be encouraging them by setting a rhythm. I'd recommend some cookie monster metal. Or speaking of Cookie Monster, maybe Sesame Street songs. If you keep going through that you're pretty farked up.
 
2012-03-03 04:40:45 PM

Bungles: The reason she was suicidal and depressed was not because her room-mate was having sex.

Irritating? Yes. Inappropriate? Possibly. But not conceivably depression-inducing.

Unless she was in love with the room-mate, and hearing her flower ripped open every night broke her heart.


You don't understand the biology behind mood disorders. The woman suing had a pre-existing mood disorder that was stable when she applied to school.

Sleep disruption can severely worsen mood symptoms, so her roommate's nocturnal adventures and constantly having overnight guests could indeed have set off her mood disorder and aggravated the symptoms.

The article doesn't say what other potential accommodations the school offered. It also doesn't say what the plaintiff's psychiatrist said she needed to re-stabilize her condition.

The woman has a legitimate disability. The sleep disturbance aggravating her mood disorder is a legitimate disability-related complaint. The school is required by law to make a reasonable accommodation of her disability.

"Reasonable accommodation" doesn't mean just whatever accommodation she happens to want, necessarily.

Since we know they offered something, but we don't know why she found their proposed accommodation unacceptable, we don't have enough information to know who's right and who's wrong here.

The boundary violation and TMI of someone else having sex right in front of you when you don't want to watch is certainly icky, but without even getting to the point of talking about the sex part, the ongoing sleep disturbance alone is enough to account for the woman's mood disorder going to hell in a handbasket.
 
2012-03-03 04:46:12 PM
This whole story reminds me of someone I knew in college. Freshman year I used to hang out with these three girls who were roommates. One night we're hanging out drinking and playing "I've never." One of the girls didn't drink so she was just watching us play the game. The first few questions in, after rolling her eyes a lot, she finally said "Oh, come on! Like any one here has actually had sex yet!" She was serious. She had a boyfriend for three years. We were all amazed someone was that naive.
 
2012-03-03 04:46:43 PM

UsikFark: Cuchulane: I'm with the student. Roommate is a slimy, gaping a-hole.

Why would you say that?!?


Because she's a sexually active woman and Rush has told him any woman that has sex is a slut and a prostitute.
 
2012-03-03 04:48:19 PM
MoronLessOff, FreakinB:

Point is there are dozens of ways she can fight this back, none of which include getting the school involved. She can do it like xkcd:

qph.cf.quoracdn.net

Or she can drill holes in the wall and install cameras.

But I agree with the nursery rhyme idea. Or better yet, Shirley Temple songs. If anyone can continue farking through that, they're pretty messed up.
 
2012-03-03 04:50:32 PM

FreakinB: Ishkur: Or play loud music in response? ...I recommend techno

Depending on your particular choice in techno, you may just be encouraging them by setting a rhythm. I'd recommend some cookie monster metal. Or speaking of Cookie Monster, maybe Sesame Street songs. If you keep going through that you're pretty farked up.


I bet christian rock could do wonders as well.
 
2012-03-03 04:51:23 PM

MoronLessOff: Tinton: According to you, in my situation, I would've had to leave.....FARK THAT. The person causing problems should be at fault and forced to move, and/or face diciplinary action. Why would the person putting up with problems have to put up with MORE to move?

To avoid living with an unwelcome stinky thief.

Since your attempt to have the guy removed failed, leave. My situation got pretty ugly as the year went on. 2 guys stopped paying rent and one started inviting others over to do drugs literally morning, noon and night. Things started disappearing, my stuff was rifled through, and I GTFO.

The gal in the article had her options and refused them. She can only blame herself.


The dude was living there illegally, and I was the one who was supposed to leave? There's something wrong with that. Besides, who's to say moving wouldn't have put me in a worse situation? For example, I heard from friends that living off campus was worse. You don't run from problems like that you're supposed to deal with them, which involved getting the college to help, which they didn't. That means they let me down, same as the girl in the article. They should be held accountable.
 
2012-03-03 04:55:41 PM

Tinton: MoronLessOff: Tinton: According to you, in my situation, I would've had to leave.....FARK THAT. The person causing problems should be at fault and forced to move, and/or face diciplinary action. Why would the person putting up with problems have to put up with MORE to move?

To avoid living with an unwelcome stinky thief.

Since your attempt to have the guy removed failed, leave. My situation got pretty ugly as the year went on. 2 guys stopped paying rent and one started inviting others over to do drugs literally morning, noon and night. Things started disappearing, my stuff was rifled through, and I GTFO.

The gal in the article had her options and refused them. She can only blame herself.

The dude was living there illegally, and I was the one who was supposed to leave? There's something wrong with that. Besides, who's to say moving wouldn't have put me in a worse situation? For example, I heard from friends that living off campus was worse. You don't run from problems like that you're supposed to deal with them, which involved getting the college to help, which they didn't. That means they let me down, same as the girl in the article. They should be held accountable.


Life's not fair, get a helmet. If you couldn't even convince the college staff to kick his ass out with all that going on then the only person you can blame for all of this is yourself.
 
2012-03-03 04:56:59 PM

Tinton: The dude was living there illegally, and I was the one who was supposed to leave?


If you went through the proper channels and nothing was done to correct the situation, yes.

Tinton: There's something wrong with that.


Yes there is.

Tinton: Besides, who's to say moving wouldn't have put me in a worse situation?


Not you. You chose to live with a stinky thief.
 
2012-03-03 05:00:24 PM

Tinton: The dude was living there illegally, and I was the one who was supposed to leave? There's something wrong with that. Besides, who's to say moving wouldn't have put me in a worse situation? For example, I heard from friends that living off campus was worse. You don't run from problems like that you're supposed to deal with them, which involved getting the college to help, which they didn't. That means they let me down, same as the girl in the article. They should be held accountable.


If he stank so bad, how in the hell were he and his friend getting chicks to agree to be tag-teamed? Had they cornered the market on rohypnol or what?

Sorry, just had to ask.
 
2012-03-03 05:02:56 PM
Slut
 
2012-03-03 05:07:13 PM

Julie Cochrane: Tinton: The dude was living there illegally, and I was the one who was supposed to leave? There's something wrong with that. Besides, who's to say moving wouldn't have put me in a worse situation? For example, I heard from friends that living off campus was worse. You don't run from problems like that you're supposed to deal with them, which involved getting the college to help, which they didn't. That means they let me down, same as the girl in the article. They should be held accountable.

If he stank so bad, how in the hell were he and his friend getting chicks to agree to be tag-teamed? Had they cornered the market on rohypnol or what?

Sorry, just had to ask.


Ya know, I was wondering the same thing.
 
2012-03-03 05:13:39 PM

Julie Cochrane: Bungles: The reason she was suicidal and depressed was not because her room-mate was having sex.

Irritating? Yes. Inappropriate? Possibly. But not conceivably depression-inducing.

Unless she was in love with the room-mate, and hearing her flower ripped open every night broke her heart.

You don't understand the biology behind mood disorders. The woman suing had a pre-existing mood disorder that was stable when she applied to school.

Sleep disruption can severely worsen mood symptoms, so her roommate's nocturnal adventures and constantly having overnight guests could indeed have set off her mood disorder and aggravated the symptoms.

The article doesn't say what other potential accommodations the school offered. It also doesn't say what the plaintiff's psychiatrist said she needed to re-stabilize her condition.

The woman has a legitimate disability. The sleep disturbance aggravating her mood disorder is a legitimate disability-related complaint. The school is required by law to make a reasonable accommodation of her disability.

"Reasonable accommodation" doesn't mean just whatever accommodation she happens to want, necessarily.

Since we know they offered something, but we don't know why she found their proposed accommodation unacceptable, we don't have enough information to know who's right and who's wrong here.

The boundary violation and TMI of someone else having sex right in front of you when you don't want to watch is certainly icky, but without even getting to the point of talking about the sex part, the ongoing sleep disturbance alone is enough to account for the woman's mood disorder going to hell in a handbasket.


FTA: "In the lawsuit, Blankmeyer says the college offered her two options, one was moving to another dorm where she would live in a room that was previously used as a study lounge and was a "small cubicle-like space." The other option was to move to a dorm with a reputation as a "party dorm" to live with a girl Blankmeyer did not know."

Those are pretty acceptable options. Yeah it might suck to be in a party dorm, but the parties sure as shiat won't be in the dorm.
 
2012-03-03 05:18:52 PM

dosboot: She then bunked down at a local hotel which as expected, caused this little snowflake further stress.


Wait, she actually left the dorm, got to live alone for a while... and blames the school for her getting worse because her initial demands to live alone weren't met?

Train wreck all the way indeed. I do understand clinical depression, been there, but suing your college because they didn't coddle you through it won't fix anything. The longer you blame someone else (and/or yourself) the longer you're stuck in that hellhole. Accept, let go, move on, live again.

bearcats1983: Why is this a lawsuit/national news? I'm sure you can find this exact case at every college in the US. I hate that being annoyed and having hurt feelings are allowable lawsuits in this country.


It has all the hallmarks of a GED in law filing that will get a summary dismissal. If she pushes hard enough, she might get a settlement that may or may not even match her legal fees. She's probably going to go through a whole new cycle of depression once she becomes a worldwide laughingstock; I guarantee she's cruising the web responses looking for validation right now.
 
2012-03-03 05:19:58 PM
Girl clearly signed up to room with the sexy roommate; otherwise the room she was in would have violated the "must know roommate" clause of her grievance.

So.... what gives? In my experiences with college dorms, they are always over-capacity and there are students who are waiting for a room the entire year only to go home after 2 semesters of a temporary room. To demand the hottest commodity (single person room) dorm once everything is established is silly.

I suppose she's expected the school to evict whoever had rented the dorm of her dreams.
 
2012-03-03 05:20:33 PM

foxyshadis: Train wreck all the way indeed. I do understand clinical depression, been there, but suing your college because they didn't coddle you through it won't fix anything. The longer you blame someone else (and/or yourself) the longer you're stuck in that hellhole. Accept, let go, move on, live again.


Sage advice
 
2012-03-03 05:26:05 PM
Hell, in my freshman year I came back to my room once to find my roommate with a girl in my bed. It's college, you deal.
 
2012-03-03 05:33:04 PM

Tinton: The dude was living there illegally, and I was the one who was supposed to leave? There's something wrong with that. Besides, who's to say moving wouldn't have put me in a worse situation? For example, I heard from friends that living off campus was worse. You don't run from problems like that you're supposed to deal with them, which involved getting the college to help, which they didn't. That means they let me down, same as the girl in the article. They should be held accountable.


This is what Blanket Parties were made for.
 
2012-03-03 05:36:19 PM

Julie Cochrane: Tinton: The dude was living there illegally, and I was the one who was supposed to leave? There's something wrong with that. Besides, who's to say moving wouldn't have put me in a worse situation? For example, I heard from friends that living off campus was worse. You don't run from problems like that you're supposed to deal with them, which involved getting the college to help, which they didn't. That means they let me down, same as the girl in the article. They should be held accountable.

If he stank so bad, how in the hell were he and his friend getting chicks to agree to be tag-teamed? Had they cornered the market on rohypnol or what?

Sorry, just had to ask.


Really made me lose a lot in faith in women, seeing them sleep with a dude like that. He had no class, laughed like a retard, and stank like nothing else. And yet he had a "baby momma" and lots of biatches who'd want to fark him.

To those who say it was MY fault for not getting out, eat a cock. The rules there were there for a reason, and when I tried to get the college to enforce them, they balked and wouldn't do ANYTHING. That's 100% their fault, I did all I could. The apartment was good until that asshole moved in, and he should've been evicted. What were my options? My school wouldn't move people around like that, their policy was keeping housing as full as possible at all times, so there was no place to move to. I could've moved off-campus, but apartments there were 10x worse. More freedom for all the drug-dealing, sketch asshats and slumlord management that didn't like to enforce anything.

College sucks balls. Movies make it out like its Animal House or something. In reality its just a bunch of poor idiots, thieving, farking, spreading STDs and starting fights at parties. My apartment wasn't the norm, it was chill until roommates started bringing that shiat in, like that freeloading asshole. I went anyplace else it would've been worse.

I'm very glad I'm graduated and done. I'll be damned if I pay another dime in tuition or live around dickheads like that again, lol. I'm done with roommates and I'm getting a house. Finally some PRIVACY and no one farking around.

/rant
 
2012-03-03 05:41:50 PM

Tinton: Julie Cochrane: Tinton: The dude was living there illegally, and I was the one who was supposed to leave? There's something wrong with that. Besides, who's to say moving wouldn't have put me in a worse situation? For example, I heard from friends that living off campus was worse. You don't run from problems like that you're supposed to deal with them, which involved getting the college to help, which they didn't. That means they let me down, same as the girl in the article. They should be held accountable.

If he stank so bad, how in the hell were he and his friend getting chicks to agree to be tag-teamed? Had they cornered the market on rohypnol or what?

Sorry, just had to ask.

Really made me lose a lot in faith in women, seeing them sleep with a dude like that. He had no class, laughed like a retard, and stank like nothing else. And yet he had a "baby momma" and lots of biatches who'd want to fark him.

To those who say it was MY fault for not getting out, eat a cock. The rules there were there for a reason, and when I tried to get the college to enforce them, they balked and wouldn't do ANYTHING. That's 100% their fault, I did all I could. The apartment was good until that asshole moved in, and he should've been evicted. What were my options? My school wouldn't move people around like that, their policy was keeping housing as full as possible at all times, so there was no place to move to. I could've moved off-campus, but apartments there were 10x worse. More freedom for all the drug-dealing, sketch asshats and slumlord management that didn't like to enforce anything.

College sucks balls. Movies make it out like its Animal House or something. In reality its just a bunch of poor idiots, thieving, farking, spreading STDs and starting fights at parties. My apartment wasn't the norm, it was chill until roommates started bringing that shiat in, like that freeloading asshole. I went anyplace else it would've been worse.

I'm very glad I'm graduated and done. I'll be ...


You seem like you would be a blast at parties. Fark is oddly appropriate for you, but I'd suggest moving to the politics tab with the rest of the maladjusted folk.
 
2012-03-03 05:42:02 PM

redmid17: FTA: "In the lawsuit, Blankmeyer says the college offered her two options, one was moving to another dorm where she would live in a room that was previously used as a study lounge and was a "small cubicle-like space." The other option was to move to a dorm with a reputation as a "party dorm" to live with a girl Blankmeyer did not know."

Those are pretty acceptable options. Yeah it might suck to be in a party dorm, but the parties sure as shiat won't be in the dorm.


The party dorm would still be subject to sleep disturbance, potentially----or not.

The "small, cubicle-like space" of the study lounge---well, how small? Does it have room for the same desk, dresser, closet space, bed, shelf, chair of a typical dorm room? Or not?

Those issues of fact are why cases get heard in court.



Tangent:

There's this common accommodation for grade school kids with various disabilities where the kid is supposed to "have access to a 'safe place' at all times" while at school. They stick that in specific kids' special ed documentation so there's a defined, systematic way to de-escalate a situation when you have a kid who's starting to have a meltdown. You get the kid away from the other kids and into the office of a counselor, or an assistant principal, or the nurse's office, or somewhere else with adult supervision where everyone knows where the kid is until the kid calms down and is okay again.

Schools all over the country implement this accommodation all the time with no trouble and with no derp factor, they manage.

There was this one particular idiot school that decided that the "safe place" should be the in school suspension room with the kids who were having in school suspension, and that "at all times" meant, "when the teacher finds it convenient."

They got a knot jerked in them, quite firmly, by the kid's doctor who explained in no uncertain terms exactly what "at all times" meant and exactly how inappropriate it was to send a distraught, disabled child to in school suspension for being disabled.

Moral of the Story:

Sometimes you can have an accommodation that 99% of the schools or businesses dealing with a disability would get right, right off the bat----and then have somebody at one specific school or business royally louse up handling it with some massive derp factor.

When you do have a school or business get massively stupid about an accommodation, it virtually always takes a bona fide authority figure ripping them a new one to convince them they were being asshats and get them to fix their policy stance.

If this particular school is full of stupid, it's of benefit to other students with disabilities that the school get an attitude adjustment via legal wedgie. [grin]
 
2012-03-03 05:47:52 PM

Julie Cochrane: redmid17: FTA: "In the lawsuit, Blankmeyer says the college offered her two options, one was moving to another dorm where she would live in a room that was previously used as a study lounge and was a "small cubicle-like space." The other option was to move to a dorm with a reputation as a "party dorm" to live with a girl Blankmeyer did not know."

Those are pretty acceptable options. Yeah it might suck to be in a party dorm, but the parties sure as shiat won't be in the dorm.

The party dorm would still be subject to sleep disturbance, potentially----or not.

The "small, cubicle-like space" of the study lounge---well, how small? Does it have room for the same desk, dresser, closet space, bed, shelf, chair of a typical dorm room? Or not?

Those issues of fact are why cases get heard in court.


Just about every college has issues balancing out dorms and accommodations. Plenty of students at IU (alma mater) had to live in the communal lounge.
 
2012-03-03 05:57:22 PM

dosboot: foxyshadis: Train wreck all the way indeed. I do understand clinical depression, been there, but suing your college because they didn't coddle you through it won't fix anything. The longer you blame someone else (and/or yourself) the longer you're stuck in that hellhole. Accept, let go, move on, live again.

Sage advice


Well, it would be wisdom if we were talking about, oh, a 12 step program and some step of the recovery process.

Instead, we're talking about a biological disorder with a very complicated mix of genetic and environmental causes, where it varies a great deal from person to person how someone responds to treatment and what someone needs to recover.

"Accept, let go, move on" makes it sound like you can simply think your way past depression, la de da.

Calling it "coddling" to request accommodations for a major disability also speaks not of "understanding" of clinical depression, but of a great deal of ignorance of mood disorders.

While it is true that many people can have a single episode of clinical depression, can recover from it even spontaneously, and may never experience another episode again, that is absolutely not the case with the woman in this story.

The woman in this story has a pre-existing mental health condition and we don't know the specific diagnosis because the story didn't specify. She could have any one of the various diagnoses that can co-occur with depression, or she could have any one of the mood disorders that would include episodes of depression.

Regardless, for anyone with a mood disorder, it is absolutely not coddling to expect regular, undisturbed sleep hours. Regular sleep is one of the most critical and most overlooked (by laymen) non-drug factors in stabilizing mood disorders.
 
2012-03-03 06:05:52 PM
She probably just discovered how much she owes on her student loan and how much she can expect to make with the liberal arts degree she received.

/didn't read the article so don't really know what kind of degree she received
 
2012-03-03 06:11:23 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Smurfme: I can't believe no one on fark has fixed her red eye yet


i43.tinypic.com
 
2012-03-03 06:14:18 PM

redmid17: Just about every college has issues balancing out dorms and accommodations. Plenty of students at IU (alma mater) had to live in the communal lounge.


Yeah, but this is a kid with a mood disorder, and there are disability laws on the books.

I understand that if you don't know mood disorders that this just sounds like some whiny little princess, but sleep issues are so key in mood disorders that some of the non-drug treatments that are actually effective revolve around manipulating light levels and sleep.

You've probably heard of light therapy and light boxes used to treat Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) (the winter blues)?

There's also something called "dark therapy" that's less well known and more experimental used to help stabilize mood, that focuses on getting a solid ten uninterrupted hours of pitch dark a night---it hasn't been used as widely, but there are a couple of interesting studies out there.

There are all kinds of studies about how a single flash of light in the middle of the night can increase the risk of onset of a manic attack in the next however many weeks in bipolars.

There's all kinds of work out there linking the mood disorders to circadian rhythms, disturbed circadian rhythms, and disturbed sleep.

There's all kinds of understanding out there by pdocs that one of the best ways to keep you patients stable is to keep their sleep schedule regular (along with keeping them eating right and getting daily exercise).

One of the first things a psychiatrist is going to ask a mood disordered patient, every visit, is, "How's your sleep?"

Look, if you have campus foodservice menu full of really crappy, cheap food that is all starch and salt and empty sugar, and you have a diabetic kid that comes in and pitches holy hell about the food available on campus, she's not just being a princess to good to eat the same cheap slop that everyone else hates---that cheap slop is particularly relevant to her disability.

In this particular case, you have a mood-disordered kid, and while everybody has a certain amount of crappy to deal with in dorm accommodations, in this case the particular kind of crappiness involved is particularly relevant to her disability.

The diabetic kid does get special food instead of the cheap slop everybody else eats.

The mood disordered kid does get better sleeping conditions instead of the red-eye express chaos of dorm life everybody else gets.

The diabetic kid still has to sleep in the red-eye express dorms.

The mood disordered kid still has to eat the cheap cafeteria slop.
 
2012-03-03 06:14:49 PM
You guys bash this poor girl. But you don't understand.
It was just as bad for me when i wen to school. I also severe mental problems and still do when i went to'schhol. Not all of us can meet people and make friends easy. For some of us like me it's impossible. It's easier to just focus on studies than do be made to be feel like a piece of crap. I had the same problem, si eventually had to move back home with my mom to relieve the stress of just everyday situations.
 
2012-03-03 06:21:48 PM
Just film the rutting sow and tell her her parents will know just how she's spending her time if she doesn't fark off.
 
2012-03-03 06:22:03 PM

redmid17: You seem like you would be a blast at parties. Fark is oddly appropriate for you, but I'd suggest moving to the politics tab with the rest of the maladjusted folk.


David Spade in PCU is a farker.
 
2012-03-03 06:25:11 PM

Julie Cochrane: redmid17: Just about every college has issues balancing out dorms and accommodations. Plenty of students at IU (alma mater) had to live in the communal lounge.

Yeah, but this is a kid with a mood disorder, and there are disability laws on the books.

I understand that if you don't know mood disorders that this just sounds like some whiny little princess, but sleep issues are so key in mood disorders that some of the non-drug treatments that are actually effective revolve around manipulating light levels and sleep.

You've probably heard of light therapy and light boxes used to treat Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) (the winter blues)?

There's also something called "dark therapy" that's less well known and more experimental used to help stabilize mood, that focuses on getting a solid ten uninterrupted hours of pitch dark a night---it hasn't been used as widely, but there are a couple of interesting studies out there.

There are all kinds of studies about how a single flash of light in the middle of the night can increase the risk of onset of a manic attack in the next however many weeks in bipolars.

There's all kinds of work out there linking the mood disorders to circadian rhythms, disturbed circadian rhythms, and disturbed sleep.

There's all kinds of understanding out there by pdocs that one of the best ways to keep you patients stable is to keep their sleep schedule regular (along with keeping them eating right and getting daily exercise).

One of the first things a psychiatrist is going to ask a mood disordered patient, every visit, is, "How's your sleep?"

Look, if you have campus foodservice menu full of really crappy, cheap food that is all starch and salt and empty sugar, and you have a diabetic kid that comes in and pitches holy hell about the food available on campus, she's not just being a princess to good to eat the same cheap slop that everyone else hates---that cheap slop is particularly relevant to her disability.

In this particular case, you hav ...


Jesus christ learn how to format posts and form paragraphs. She got offered two alternatives and tried neither. This can and should get tossed summarily.
 
2012-03-03 06:25:12 PM

Julie Cochrane: dosboot: foxyshadis: Train wreck all the way indeed. I do understand clinical depression, been there, but suing your college because they didn't coddle you through it won't fix anything. The longer you blame someone else (and/or yourself) the longer you're stuck in that hellhole. Accept, let go, move on, live again.

Sage advice

Well, it would be wisdom if we were talking about, oh, a 12 step program and some step of the recovery process.

Instead, we're talking about a biological disorder with a very complicated mix of genetic and environmental causes, where it varies a great deal from person to person how someone responds to treatment and what someone needs to recover.

"Accept, let go, move on" makes it sound like you can simply think your way past depression, la de da.

Calling it "coddling" to request accommodations for a major disability also speaks not of "understanding" of clinical depression, but of a great deal of ignorance of mood disorders.

While it is true that many people can have a single episode of clinical depression, can recover from it even spontaneously, and may never experience another episode again, that is absolutely not the case with the woman in this story.

The woman in this story has a pre-existing mental health condition and we don't know the specific diagnosis because the story didn't specify. She could have any one of the various diagnoses that can co-occur with depression, or she could have any one of the mood disorders that would include episodes of depression.

Regardless, for anyone with a mood disorder, it is absolutely not coddling to expect regular, undisturbed sleep hours. Regular sleep is one of the most critical and most overlooked (by laymen) non-drug factors in stabilizing mood disorders.


Where are people getting the idea that she had these problems prior to starting school? The closest TFA comes to saying anything of the sort is that she enrolled as a freshman and that her problems did not start until her senior year, when she was paired with her sexually active roommate.
 
2012-03-03 06:25:14 PM
I'd complain to the school too if my biatch room mate couldn't wait until I was in class or away from home for the weekend to fark like a nympho bunny. It's just common courtesy. However, what the room mate does unseen and unheard, is her business.
 
2012-03-03 06:46:02 PM
Hell my roomate now bangs out her FWBs in the living room if I am mad cause she woke me up ill walk out there and mess with her. But some times she will bring back her drunk coworkers for me yay :D
 
2012-03-03 06:51:29 PM
Oh, we do have her diagnosis after all.

From TFA: "Lindsay Blankmeyer said in a federal lawsuit that she suffered from depression and attention deficit disorder before she enrolled at Stonehill College...."

So. If TFA got it right (big if) Blankmeyer has major depressive disorder and ADD.

The issue of fact she gets to present to the judge is whether the two "alternatives" offered were so bad that it would have been bad for her to even try them. In disability cases you don't have to "try" an offered accommodation before rejecting it. If it's a bad accommodation that won't work, you can and should reject it outright. When they lay the specifics before the judge, including what (if anything) the woman's doctor told the school about her needs and the state of her disability, and including the details of those alternatives, then the judge gets to decide if she was being reasonable or not. Since I could swear there was a line in one of the articles I read that she "had wanted to try" to function without accommodations, that implies she's had accommodations for her disability in an educational setting before. I suspect this is not her and her parents' first rodeo.

If the party dorm is loud at all hours and the converted study lounge is too small to accommodate regular dorm functions and features for one, or there are similar big, obvious negatives, I wouldn't be surprised if they win. What I think is most likely to happen is for the case to be quietly settled for an undisclosed amount.
 
2012-03-03 07:15:55 PM
Waahhhh! Wahhh! Waaaahhhh! Waaahhhh!!!
 
2012-03-03 07:18:44 PM

Tinton: ... words... can't quote the whole damn thing lol


It's not about winning, and you have a serious misconception about who has the problem.

First of all, she didn't tell her college anything about the sex in the dormroom.

Secondly, she didn't do anything to solve her problem on her own. Turning on the lights? Putting on music? Opening the door and inviting someone in? Naw, let's just say/do nothing and then sue.

Third, she's made up so much obvious BS you have to be careful where you walk. The college didn't offer to change her room? Bollocks to that, they offered two different accomodation changes that weren't satisfactory to her.

The problem is, roommate A has a problem with roommate B's completely legal behavior. The problem wasn't roommate B's actions - they can be dealt with rather easily - but with roommate A being picky about the two alternative rooms she was offered.
 
2012-03-03 07:26:10 PM

redmid17: Tinton: Julie Cochrane: Tinton: The dude was living there illegally, and I was the one who was supposed to leave? There's something wrong with that. Besides, who's to say moving wouldn't have put me in a worse situation? For example, I heard from friends that living off campus was worse. You don't run from problems like that you're supposed to deal with them, which involved getting the college to help, which they didn't. That means they let me down, same as the girl in the article. They should be held accountable.

If he stank so bad, how in the hell were he and his friend getting chicks to agree to be tag-teamed? Had they cornered the market on rohypnol or what?

Sorry, just had to ask.

Really made me lose a lot in faith in women, seeing them sleep with a dude like that. He had no class, laughed like a retard, and stank like nothing else. And yet he had a "baby momma" and lots of biatches who'd want to fark him.

To those who say it was MY fault for not getting out, eat a cock. The rules there were there for a reason, and when I tried to get the college to enforce them, they balked and wouldn't do ANYTHING. That's 100% their fault, I did all I could. The apartment was good until that asshole moved in, and he should've been evicted. What were my options? My school wouldn't move people around like that, their policy was keeping housing as full as possible at all times, so there was no place to move to. I could've moved off-campus, but apartments there were 10x worse. More freedom for all the drug-dealing, sketch asshats and slumlord management that didn't like to enforce anything.

College sucks balls. Movies make it out like its Animal House or something. In reality its just a bunch of poor idiots, thieving, farking, spreading STDs and starting fights at parties. My apartment wasn't the norm, it was chill until roommates started bringing that shiat in, like that freeloading asshole. I went anyplace else it would've been worse.

I'm very glad I'm graduated and done. I'll be ...

You seem like you would be a blast at parties. Fark is oddly appropriate for you, but I'd suggest moving to the politics tab with the rest of the maladjusted folk.


I was and still am a blast at parties cause I'm not that much of a selfish asshole and I know how to make a fun atmosphere. I got out of it somewhat when one fool said it wasn't a good party unless someone got robbed. Now I just party with good friends. For a lot of people, they go party for two things: to steal and to fark. That's why a lot of parties end in fights.
 
2012-03-03 07:40:41 PM
The headline said roommate was having a typical college friday night, but TFA says that she was only banging one guy at a time. I thought the typical friday night in college these days was a 5-some minimum.
 
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