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2012-03-02 12:57:04 PM
I don't think so, but these headlines should be automatically red.
 
2012-03-02 01:08:37 PM
Condoms can regulate my menstrual cycle?
 
2012-03-02 01:12:01 PM

what_now: Condoms can regulate my menstrual cycle?


Maybe if you jam them way in there.*

*Not to be construed as medical advice, or even particularly good advice.
 
2012-03-02 01:21:57 PM
Why do people act like condoms and hormonal birth control are the same?
 
2012-03-02 01:36:09 PM
Republicans really do plan on dying on this hill, don't they?
 
2012-03-02 01:42:43 PM

Aarontology: Why do people act like condoms and hormonal birth control are the same?


i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-02 01:45:42 PM
That was easy.
 
2012-03-02 01:47:09 PM

what_now: Condoms can regulate my menstrual cycle?


k.wigflip.com
 
2012-03-02 01:58:58 PM

Aarontology: Why do people act like condoms and hormonal birth control are the same?


That depends -- are you talking about the linked article's author, or the people who want both handed out like candy on Hallowe'en?
 
2012-03-02 02:10:18 PM

gerrymander: That depends -- are you talking about the linked article's author, or the people who want both handed out like candy on Hallowe'en?


Just out of curiosity, why WOULDN'T you want condoms and birth control handed out like candy? I mean, in the case of hormonal BC, you do need to be monitored by a doctor, but preventing unplanned pregnancies should be something that EVERYONE is in favor of.
 
2012-03-02 02:12:30 PM
I keep hearing about how you can't get prescription hormones with health insurance to correct menstrual cycle problems. Where exactly is a health policy like that? My daughter had cycle problems and they gave her birth control pills (with a $20 Rx copay) to correct the condition.

Why does birth control have to be free when stuff like hypertension medication isn't?
 
2012-03-02 02:13:17 PM

what_now: gerrymander: That depends -- are you talking about the linked article's author, or the people who want both handed out like candy on Hallowe'en?

Just out of curiosity, why WOULDN'T you want condoms and birth control handed out like candy? I mean, in the case of hormonal BC, you do need to be monitored by a doctor, but preventing unplanned pregnancies should be something that EVERYONE is in favor of.


Because socialism. And sluts.
 
2012-03-02 02:19:17 PM

what_now: Just out of curiosity, why WOULDN'T you want condoms and birth control handed out like candy? I mean, in the case of hormonal BC, you do need to be monitored by a doctor, but preventing unplanned pregnancies should be something that EVERYONE is in favor of.


Well, it makes sense if you realize that they're for unplanned pregnancies but view the pregnancy as a punishment.
 
2012-03-02 02:19:52 PM

gerrymander: Aarontology: Why do people act like condoms and hormonal birth control are the same?

That depends -- are you talking about the linked article's author, or the people who want both handed out like candy on Hallowe'en?


As a matter of fact, I DO handle them out like candy on Halloween. Admittedly, however, it can get expensive to do that so I buy the factory seconds in bulk.
 
2012-03-02 02:20:19 PM

FloydA: Aarontology: Why do people act like condoms and hormonal birth control are the same?

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The first example is wrong, isn't it? It should be negative infinity, not infinity.
 
2012-03-02 02:21:01 PM

gerrymander: Aarontology: Why do people act like condoms and hormonal birth control are the same?

That depends -- are you talking about the linked article's author, or the people who want both handed out like candy on Hallowe'en?


Good candy, or candy corn?
 
2012-03-02 02:22:14 PM

DarthBrooks: I keep hearing about how you can't get prescription hormones with health insurance to correct menstrual cycle problems. Where exactly is a health policy like that?


The students, faculty and staff at Boston College. Georgetown University, Holy Cross, Notre Damn etc etc.

And if the Blount Amendment had passed, any person who worked for an employer who felt that they had a better understand of that person's medical needs than she did.

DarthBrooks: Why does birth control have to be free when stuff like hypertension medication isn't?


Because BC saves the insurance companies money. It saves the companies money. It saves the employer money. it saves the country money.
 
2012-03-02 02:22:58 PM

St_Francis_P: gerrymander: Aarontology: Why do people act like condoms and hormonal birth control are the same?

That depends -- are you talking about the linked article's author, or the people who want both handed out like candy on Hallowe'en?

Good candy, or candy corn?


we always just filled a big jar with BC pills and let the kids take however many they could scoop out with one spoon.
 
2012-03-02 02:28:19 PM

what_now: Condoms can regulate my menstrual cycle?


With enough holes, yes.
 
2012-03-02 02:32:26 PM

what_now: DarthBrooks: I keep hearing about how you can't get prescription hormones with health insurance to correct menstrual cycle problems. Where exactly is a health policy like that?

The students, faculty and staff at Boston College. Georgetown University, Holy Cross, Notre Damn etc etc.


Students aren't covered under the mandatory HHS requirements. What the school provides students is pretty much a voluntary thing.

And if the Blount Amendment had passed, any person who worked for an employer who felt that they had a better understand of that person's medical needs than she did.

You mean subsidy needs. Birth control isn't being outlawed. A doctor can write a prescription, and if you can't find condoms being handed out for free at most campuses, you've got your eyes closed.

DarthBrooks: Why does birth control have to be free when stuff like hypertension medication isn't?

Because BC saves the insurance companies money. It saves the companies money. It saves the employer money. it saves the country money.

www.urban.org

So...the current Social Security funding plan doesn't seem to have a basic flaw, in your opinion?
 
2012-03-02 02:33:34 PM
I was just there. Nobody handed me a condom.
 
2012-03-02 02:37:54 PM
CSS

Last time I was visiting my friend, we drunkenly collected NYC condoms from all the bars we stumbled into. We got a bunch of other people into it, and by the end of the night we had a whole pile of prophylactics. Then we remembered that she's a lesbian, and I don't trust free condoms, and we made water balloons.

The end.
 
2012-03-02 02:52:22 PM

what_now: CSS

Last time I was visiting my friend, we drunkenly collected NYC condoms from all the bars we stumbled into. We got a bunch of other people into it, and by the end of the night we had a whole pile of prophylactics. Then we remembered that she's a lesbian, and I don't trust free condoms, and we made water balloons.

The end.


Why don't you trust free Condoms? Down here (New Orleans) they're all made by a major brand (Lifestyle), and distributed by the NOAIDS Task Force. At least in the bars I've been in.
 
2012-03-02 02:54:42 PM

downstairs: Why don't you trust free Condoms? Down here (New Orleans) they're all made by a major brand (Lifestyle), and distributed by the NOAIDS Task Force. At least in the bars I've been in.


Because I don't know what some farktard has done to them. They're just sitting in a bowl.
 
2012-03-02 02:54:44 PM

DarthBrooks: So...the current Social Security funding plan doesn't seem to have a basic flaw, in your opinion?


Yes, argue that we should be cranking out babies and therefore no birth control. Shout that on the mountaintops.
 
2012-03-02 02:57:42 PM
That was a really long farking article just to say "2.65% of the US population already has access to free condoms". Oh, no, they didn't even say that.
 
2012-03-02 03:00:28 PM

what_now: Just out of curiosity, why WOULDN'T you want condoms and birth control handed out like candy? I mean, in the case of hormonal BC, you do need to be monitored by a doctor, but preventing unplanned pregnancies should be something that EVERYONE is in favor of.


People don't value what they think is free. Somebody still must make and distribute condoms and pills, and if we don't value them enough to personally pay for them, the eventual temptation will be to pay as little as possible. Birth control that fails at increasing rates is at least as bad as no birth control at all. (Surely you've noticed a difference between name brand condoms, and the free party giveaways? Want the same for hormone regulators?) And that's before the liability concerns kick in.

And at least all that presumes good intent on the part of the suppliers. Imagine a world where some of the free "birth control" pills are date rape drugs, or poison.

Basically, it comes down to personal responsibility. The mores you encourage people to fritter theirs away, the greater the opportunity for external exploiters to enter the equation.
 
2012-03-02 03:01:25 PM
Well, I'm convinced.

Thanks subby!
 
2012-03-02 03:02:22 PM

gerrymander: what_now: Just out of curiosity, why WOULDN'T you want condoms and birth control handed out like candy? I mean, in the case of hormonal BC, you do need to be monitored by a doctor, but preventing unplanned pregnancies should be something that EVERYONE is in favor of.

People don't value what they think is free. Somebody still must make and distribute condoms and pills, and if we don't value them enough to personally pay for them, the eventual temptation will be to pay as little as possible. Birth control that fails at increasing rates is at least as bad as no birth control at all. (Surely you've noticed a difference between name brand condoms, and the free party giveaways? Want the same for hormone regulators?) And that's before the liability concerns kick in.

And at least all that presumes good intent on the part of the suppliers. Imagine a world where some of the free "birth control" pills are date rape drugs, or poison.

Basically, it comes down to personal responsibility. The mores you encourage people to fritter theirs away, the greater the opportunity for external exploiters to enter the equation.


wat.
 
2012-03-02 03:02:35 PM

gerrymander: People don't value what they think is free. Somebody still must make and distribute condoms and pills, and if we don't value them enough to personally pay for them, the eventual temptation will be to pay as little as possible. Birth control that fails at increasing rates is at least as bad as no birth control at all. (Surely you've noticed a difference between name brand condoms, and the free party giveaways? Want the same for hormone regulators?) And that's before the liability concerns kick in.

And at least all that presumes good intent on the part of the suppliers. Imagine a world where some of the free "birth control" pills are date rape drugs, or poison.

Basically, it comes down to personal responsibility. The mores you encourage people to fritter theirs away, the greater the opportunity for external exploiters to enter the equation.


Look, I don't know you very well, and I don't want this to sound too offensive, but that is quite honestly the dumbest reason I have ever heard to restrict birth control access.
 
2012-03-02 03:03:28 PM

what_now: downstairs: Why don't you trust free Condoms? Down here (New Orleans) they're all made by a major brand (Lifestyle), and distributed by the NOAIDS Task Force. At least in the bars I've been in.

Because I don't know what some farktard has done to them. They're just sitting in a bowl.


Good point. I don't use them either, but I did check to see if they were a real brand.
 
2012-03-02 03:05:35 PM

gerrymander: what_now: Just out of curiosity, why WOULDN'T you want condoms and birth control handed out like candy? I mean, in the case of hormonal BC, you do need to be monitored by a doctor, but preventing unplanned pregnancies should be something that EVERYONE is in favor of.

People don't value what they think is free. Somebody still must make and distribute condoms and pills, and if we don't value them enough to personally pay for them, the eventual temptation will be to pay as little as possible. Birth control that fails at increasing rates is at least as bad as no birth control at all. (Surely you've noticed a difference between name brand condoms, and the free party giveaways? Want the same for hormone regulators?) And that's before the liability concerns kick in.

And at least all that presumes good intent on the part of the suppliers. Imagine a world where some of the free "birth control" pills are date rape drugs, or poison.

Basically, it comes down to personal responsibility. The mores you encourage people to fritter theirs away, the greater the opportunity for external exploiters to enter the equation.


A), Ugh.
B), ...Ugh.
C), She didn't literally mean "hand out pills like candy". She meant "Make easily available for all citizens". Like, in a pharmacy, without an $80 pricetag. Obviously you shouldn't take PILLS from strangers, or from a bowl in a bar.

People don't need to "value" birth control pills. They need to "take" them.
 
2012-03-02 03:06:23 PM

what_now: gerrymander: People don't value what they think is free. Somebody still must make and distribute condoms and pills, and if we don't value them enough to personally pay for them, the eventual temptation will be to pay as little as possible. Birth control that fails at increasing rates is at least as bad as no birth control at all. (Surely you've noticed a difference between name brand condoms, and the free party giveaways? Want the same for hormone regulators?) And that's before the liability concerns kick in.

And at least all that presumes good intent on the part of the suppliers. Imagine a world where some of the free "birth control" pills are date rape drugs, or poison.

Basically, it comes down to personal responsibility. The mores you encourage people to fritter theirs away, the greater the opportunity for external exploiters to enter the equation.

Look, I don't know you very well, and I don't want this to sound too offensive, but that is quite honestly the dumbest reason I have ever heard to restrict birth control access.


It's not that bad. What he means is women can't be trusted with anything because they are weak, and they require men to tell them what they need to do. In the case of the Birth Control, they need to be told it's expensive so that they don't have sex.
 
2012-03-02 03:09:41 PM

gerrymander: People don't value what they think is free.


I'm going to revisit this one more time. If your insurance had FULL doctor appointment coverage (no co-pay), are you saying you would no longer value seeing a doctor?

gerrymander: Somebody still must make and distribute condoms and pills, and if we don't value them enough to personally pay for them, the eventual temptation will be to pay as little as possible.


Know how insurance struck a deal with these pharmaceutical companies to hand out their wares at super-low prices? BY AGREEING TO PAY FOR THEM.
Your pharmacy makes very careful notes of what leaves the store under insurance. Those manufacturers get their money, don't you worry.
 
2012-03-02 03:11:19 PM

gerrymander: And at least all that presumes good intent on the part of the suppliers. Imagine a world where some of the free "birth control" pills are date rape drugs, or poison.


Or what if these "birth control" pills turned out to be capsules full of bees with AIDS?
 
2012-03-02 03:12:28 PM

gerrymander: Aarontology: Why do people act like condoms and hormonal birth control are the same?

That depends -- are you talking about the linked article's author, or the people who want both handed out like candy on Hallowe'en?


The idiots who think that easy access to condoms mean there isn't a problem with access to birth control in general. One covers up your dick and is available over the counter everywhere, the other involves altering a woman's body chemistry and can have legitimate medical uses outside of pregnancy prevention and are unavailable without a doctor getting involvedi n the whole process and are far more expensive.

Those people. You know, morons.
 
2012-03-02 03:14:55 PM

kingoomieiii: gerrymander: People don't value what they think is free.

I'm going to revisit this one more time. If your insurance had FULL doctor appointment coverage (no co-pay), are you saying you would no longer value seeing a doctor?
.


Those of us with universal health coverage absolutely don't value it. That's why we are horrifically unhealthy and so morbidly obese the government has mandated single rider only elevators.
 
2012-03-02 03:18:23 PM

I_Am_Weasel: kingoomieiii: gerrymander: People don't value what they think is free.

I'm going to revisit this one more time. If your insurance had FULL doctor appointment coverage (no co-pay), are you saying you would no longer value seeing a doctor?
.

Those of us with universal health coverage absolutely don't value it. That's why we are horrifically unhealthy and so morbidly obese the government has mandated single rider only elevators.


It's not like serious medical care is cost-free anyway. Anyone who's been hospitalized will tell you that even BEFORE you see a terrifying bill, those places BLOW.

For those of you who haven't, let me tell you how much fun it is sleeping on a thin, uncomfortable matress, in a strange, cold place, with machines and tubes around you, unable to breathe without pain. Being woken up every few hours to have your vitals taken. For a week.

It's a farking JOY.
 
2012-03-02 03:21:22 PM

sigdiamond2000: gerrymander: And at least all that presumes good intent on the part of the suppliers. Imagine a world where some of the free "birth control" pills are date rape drugs, or poison.

Or what if these "birth control" pills turned out to be capsules full of bees with AIDS?


That's stupid. Bees can't get AIDS.
 
2012-03-02 03:21:58 PM
Subby: You can get free condoms in Manhattan. This means Obamacare is automatically unconstitutional

Yes, but what of Sarah Palin?
 
2012-03-02 03:23:21 PM

PanicMan: sigdiamond2000: gerrymander: And at least all that presumes good intent on the part of the suppliers. Imagine a world where some of the free "birth control" pills are date rape drugs, or poison.

Or what if these "birth control" pills turned out to be capsules full of bees with AIDS?

That's stupid. Bees can't get AIDS.


That's right. It's limited to humans, monkeys and gators.
 
2012-03-02 03:28:35 PM

I_Am_Weasel: PanicMan: sigdiamond2000: gerrymander: And at least all that presumes good intent on the part of the suppliers. Imagine a world where some of the free "birth control" pills are date rape drugs, or poison.

Or what if these "birth control" pills turned out to be capsules full of bees with AIDS?

That's stupid. Bees can't get AIDS.

That's right. It's limited to humans, monkeys and gators.


Exactly. Your birth control might be filled with alligators with AIDS. But not bees. Well maybe just plain bees. But not AIDS bees.
 
2012-03-02 03:28:40 PM

I_Am_Weasel: That's why we are horrifically unhealthy and so morbidly obese the government has mandated single rider only elevators.



So, like our midwest?
 
2012-03-02 03:30:28 PM

what_now: C), She didn't literally mean "hand out pills like candy". She meant "Make easily available for all citizens". Like, in a pharmacy, without an $80 pricetag. Obviously you shouldn't take PILLS from strangers, or from a bowl in a bar.


Did you miss the part where the explicit comparison was made between pills and condoms -- you know, the condoms that are handed out free at parties?

kingoomieiii: Know how insurance struck a deal with these pharmaceutical companies to hand out their wares at super-low prices? BY AGREEING TO PAY FOR THEM.
Your pharmacy makes very careful notes of what leaves the store under insurance. Those manufacturers get their money, don't you worry.


And then, it becomes another line item in the insurance company budget. A line item which will get examined any time external forces require them to look for cost savings. Like, when the government imposes new mandates or taxes or regulation, or just reduces payout rates. Which will then cause the manufacturer to cheapen their product, or outsource to someone who will, or go out of business in favor of some company that will.

This isn't rocket science, it's just basic cause and effect.
 
2012-03-02 03:33:12 PM

what_now: gerrymander: People don't value what they think is free. Somebody still must make and distribute condoms and pills, and if we don't value them enough to personally pay for them, the eventual temptation will be to pay as little as possible. Birth control that fails at increasing rates is at least as bad as no birth control at all. (Surely you've noticed a difference between name brand condoms, and the free party giveaways? Want the same for hormone regulators?) And that's before the liability concerns kick in.

And at least all that presumes good intent on the part of the suppliers. Imagine a world where some of the free "birth control" pills are date rape drugs, or poison.

Basically, it comes down to personal responsibility. The mores you encourage people to fritter theirs away, the greater the opportunity for external exploiters to enter the equation.

Look, I don't know you very well, and I don't want this to sound too offensive, but that is quite honestly the dumbest reason I have ever heard to restrict birth control access.


He somehow managed to top SLUTS.
 
2012-03-02 03:33:32 PM

gerrymander: what_now: C), She didn't literally mean "hand out pills like candy". She meant "Make easily available for all citizens". Like, in a pharmacy, without an $80 pricetag. Obviously you shouldn't take PILLS from strangers, or from a bowl in a bar.

Did you miss the part where the explicit comparison was made between pills and condoms -- you know, the condoms that are handed out free at parties?


You misquoted me. I didn't say that, someone else said it about me.
 
2012-03-02 03:33:52 PM
Imagine a world where some of the free "birth control" pills are date rape drugs, or poison.


www.sirlin.net

but I did marry a turtle yesterday so you guys have a point
 
2012-03-02 03:35:31 PM

gerrymander: Which will then cause the manufacturer to cheapen their product, or outsource to someone who will, or go out of business in favor of some company that will.


Yeah, it's a shame insurance exists at all.
 
2012-03-02 03:36:32 PM

DarthBrooks: Why does birth control have to be free when stuff like hypertension medication isn't?


Your insurance won't cover or mostly cover your blood-pressure medicine?

I think your problem is less an ideological one regarding the HCR package and more a practical one with having the worst insurance company in history.

//Chemical birth control is actually about preventing pregnancy, condoms are more about preventing disease. They both kind of do both, but the pill obviously only corrects hormonal issues, not viral/bacterial/fungal ones, and condoms are subject to user error and thus have a non-negligible fail rate pregnancy-wise.
 
2012-03-02 03:38:06 PM

kingoomieiii: gerrymander: Which will then cause the manufacturer to cheapen their product, or outsource to someone who will, or go out of business in favor of some company that will.

Yeah, it's a shame insurance exists at all.


f*ck those guys. they gave me what i thought was free pain killers after a surgery i had, but instead they slipped me some pills that got me date raped by bees. thanks for nothing obamacare.
 
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