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2012-03-02 03:05:38 PM

what_now: DarthBrooks: Yes, do go on.

You keep posting that graph like it means something. Yes, there was a baby boom in the 1950s. That's the fng problem.

The solution is not "have another baby boom".

You don't *honestly* think we can unplanned pregnancy our way to fiscal solvency, do you? That's..that's the dumbest thing I've heard this week.


Infrastructure, food, water, oil ... if anyone wants a preview of what more baby booms in the US would look like- take a trip to India.
 
2012-03-02 03:06:05 PM

quickdraw: Were you the one who posted that graphic? I put it on my FB page.


I shared it from someone else, yes. But I do not have a clever. I never make my own lols.
 
2012-03-02 03:07:37 PM

propasaurus: quickdraw: DarthBrooks: quickdraw: DarthBrooks: The money must come from a Magic Money Tree that every insurance company has in its tastefully-decorated lobby.

Oh... that explains their profit margins. :P

By all means, please show me some profit margins at Blue Cross Blue Shield of *pick any state*.

Any reason why you pick Blue Cross?

Yes, because he thinks that Blue Cross is non-profit. Therefore, he's run rings around you logically.


psssst. I knew that but thanks anyway. I admit to sometimes being a tad deliberately obtuse when dealing with a Certified Fark Troll TM
 
2012-03-02 03:08:16 PM
I say that before any man chooses to engage in sex he must first submit to a physical where the doctor repeatedly checks his prostate and sperm count. Afterwards he needs to head over to the nearest bank to assess his financial situation to establish if he is able to provide for any children that may come from any sort of intercourse.

Also, insure viagra is no longer covered on health plans.
 
2012-03-02 03:08:42 PM

what_now: quickdraw: Were you the one who posted that graphic? I put it on my FB page.

I shared it from someone else, yes. But I do not have a clever. I never make my own lols.


In a discussion about contraceptives, you should be very cautious to use the phrase "I shared it from someone else..."
 
2012-03-02 03:08:48 PM

quickdraw: keylock71: DarthBrooks: By all means, please show me some profit margins at Blue Cross Blue Shield of *pick any state*.

Sure...

Leading the pack was Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, the state's largest health insurance company, which reported net income of $136.1 million last year...

Well I'll be honest. I'm not an insurance profit margin expert - nor do I really want to be. So if it makes you feel better I'll retract my silly joke in response to your silly joke about the money tree. Still not sure what that has to do with the insurance companies who are supporting the free birth-control policy. But I'm sure that they have plenty of folks who do understand exactly how much free BC pills helps their bottom line.

Perhaps you should call your insurance rep and have them explain it to you.


Was this response meant for me?

The article pretty much supports your position...
 
2012-03-02 03:10:04 PM

what_now: quickdraw: Were you the one who posted that graphic? I put it on my FB page.

I shared it from someone else, yes. But I do not have a clever. I never make my own lols.


Share again, plz. I missed it the first time.
 
2012-03-02 03:10:08 PM

what_now: quickdraw: Were you the one who posted that graphic? I put it on my FB page.

I shared it from someone else, yes. But I do not have a clever. I never make my own lols.


Not true! I laugh at what you say all the time! Especially when you talk about Student Loans because I know you can't really know anything about that stuff - after all - you're a woman!

/I keed!
//you knew that right?
 
2012-03-02 03:12:54 PM

quickdraw: propasaurus: quickdraw: DarthBrooks: quickdraw: DarthBrooks: The money must come from a Magic Money Tree that every insurance company has in its tastefully-decorated lobby.

Oh... that explains their profit margins. :P

By all means, please show me some profit margins at Blue Cross Blue Shield of *pick any state*.

Any reason why you pick Blue Cross?

Yes, because he thinks that Blue Cross is non-profit. Therefore, he's run rings around you logically.

psssst. I knew that but thanks anyway. I admit to sometimes being a tad deliberately obtuse when dealing with a Certified Fark Troll TM


I knew that, you think I didn't know that, why would you think I didn't knew that, cuz I knew that
 
2012-03-02 03:13:25 PM

keylock71: quickdraw: keylock71: DarthBrooks: By all means, please show me some profit margins at Blue Cross Blue Shield of *pick any state*.

Sure...

Leading the pack was Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, the state's largest health insurance company, which reported net income of $136.1 million last year...

Well I'll be honest. I'm not an insurance profit margin expert - nor do I really want to be. So if it makes you feel better I'll retract my silly joke in response to your silly joke about the money tree. Still not sure what that has to do with the insurance companies who are supporting the free birth-control policy. But I'm sure that they have plenty of folks who do understand exactly how much free BC pills helps their bottom line.

Perhaps you should call your insurance rep and have them explain it to you.

Was this response meant for me?

The article pretty much supports your position...


Oh um... doh!

*looks down and kicks dirt*
 
2012-03-02 03:14:30 PM

namegoeshere: Share again, plz. I missed it the first time.


littlegreenfootballs.com
 
2012-03-02 03:16:39 PM

quickdraw: namegoeshere: Share again, plz. I missed it the first time.

[littlegreenfootballs.com image 485x313]


**spittake** lols, yes I will definitely be reusing that one, thanks.
 
2012-03-02 03:17:12 PM

quickdraw: Especially when you talk about Student Loans because I know you can't really know anything about that stuff - after all - you're a woman!


Yeah....this industry is pretty heavily female dominated. It's a lot of counseling, and we're typically better at that.
 
2012-03-02 03:18:12 PM

quickdraw: Oh um... doh!

*looks down and kicks dirt*


Lol... No worries. I was just wondering if I had missed something. : )
 
2012-03-02 03:20:50 PM
I guess I don't quite understand it. IF this were passed, how would it impact these idiots who think every sperm is sacred?
 
2012-03-02 03:33:30 PM

what_now: quickdraw: Especially when you talk about Student Loans because I know you can't really know anything about that stuff - after all - you're a woman!

Yeah....this industry is pretty heavily female dominated. It's a lot of counseling, and we're typically better at that.


Makes sense.

keylock71: quickdraw: Oh um... doh!

*looks down and kicks dirt*

Lol... No worries. I was just wondering if I had missed something. : )


Whar my troll go? Whar? I was just starting to have fun.....
 
2012-03-02 03:38:55 PM

what_now: kbronsito: I'm no expert... but when deciding on sterilization, don't a lot of couples discuss the merits of vasectomy vs. tubal ligation. Plenty of men don't want to have their balls cut into, but have to admit that a vasectomy is an easier, less invasive procedure. But if this lady starts to throw vasectomy roadblocks, then some women that may have been able to avoid a tubal ligation may find themselves without that choice.

Way to screw over your fellow women in favor of guys who don't want to get a vasectomy, lady. I only wish there was an ever bigger hero tag.

She's making a farking point. We don't like to be mansplained to.


Maybe if she would have consulted with some men, she would have realized that the example she picked to make her point is not a good one.
 
2012-03-02 03:44:48 PM

Nadie_AZ: I guess I don't quite understand it. IF this were passed, how would it impact these idiots who think every sperm is sacred?


It's not going to pass. It's grandstanding - pure political theatre. We just aren't used to seeing women legislators use that time-honored political tool. Time to get used to it though. Clearly even the best of the Good Girls are understanding that keeping your head down and not causing a fuss is only going to hurt us in the long run. In the past the harassment we would get for speaking up often made it not worth it. Easier to bide our time and lobby for gradual changes. We hoped that by taking incremental steps forward we would have a more lasting effect.

We know better now.
 
2012-03-02 03:53:18 PM

quickdraw: Nadie_AZ: I guess I don't quite understand it. IF this were passed, how would it impact these idiots who think every sperm is sacred?

It's not going to pass. It's grandstanding - pure political theatre. We just aren't used to seeing women legislators use that time-honored political tool. Time to get used to it though. Clearly even the best of the Good Girls are understanding that keeping your head down and not causing a fuss is only going to hurt us in the long run. In the past the harassment we would get for speaking up often made it not worth it. Easier to bide our time and lobby for gradual changes. We hoped that by taking incremental steps forward we would have a more lasting effect.

We know better now.


I understand.
 
2012-03-02 03:56:59 PM
Fantastic.
 
2012-03-02 04:07:39 PM

AlinaJoan: I say that before any man chooses to engage in sex he must first submit to a physical where the doctor repeatedly checks his prostate and sperm count.


Will the doctor be hot?
 
2012-03-02 04:20:28 PM
whagarble... War on Religion. whagarble...
 
2012-03-02 04:29:20 PM
Yesterday Missouri State Representative Stacey Newman (D-St. Louis County) filed HB1853, which would only allow a man to have a vasectomy when doing so would protect him from serious injury or prevent his death.

Ah, the legislation's on the other set of genitalia now.
Rep. Newman -- whom I'd like to nominate for Hero Squad right here and now -- has been frustrated with the recent political debates over birth control access and reproductive health. The legislation is her pointed way of combating the idea that family planning is something only women have to worry about.


The Catholic Church is not stopping ANYONE from purchasing contraception. The Catholic Church should not be compelled to participate in an act (through funding) they find morally abhorrent.

Suppose the issue was government mandating employers provide all employees cafeteria services (everyone needs to eat). But, not only that, the government has decided that all cafeterias MUST provide pork products. Most people would have no problem with this mandate. But suppose your corporation is PETA (or a mosque) -- Why should the government tell you that YOUR cafeteria MUST provide pork? (When people who want to buy pork are FREE to buy pork anywhere else (from people who are NOT vegetarians) AND you are feeding them (which is the purpose of a cafeteria).)

This was settled church doctrine long before the United States even existed. The Catholic Church did not seek this conflict -- this conflict was imposed on the church. The constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion -- that liberty has been seriously undermined here.
 
2012-03-02 04:37:42 PM
quickdraw:

[littlegreenfootballs.com image 485x313]

No reporters seemed to ponder the possibility that the feminists might have an agenda to deflect attention from the real point of the panel-the violation of religious liberty in the President's new healthcare law. Nor did the various news outlets give much attention at all to a photo of the second panel that addressed congress:

www.dennyburk.com
 
2012-03-02 04:37:50 PM

Bevets: Yesterday Missouri State Representative Stacey Newman (D-St. Louis County) filed HB1853, which would only allow a man to have a vasectomy when doing so would protect him from serious injury or prevent his death.

Ah, the legislation's on the other set of genitalia now.
Rep. Newman -- whom I'd like to nominate for Hero Squad right here and now -- has been frustrated with the recent political debates over birth control access and reproductive health. The legislation is her pointed way of combating the idea that family planning is something only women have to worry about.

The Catholic Church is not stopping ANYONE from purchasing contraception. The Catholic Church should not be compelled to participate in an act (through funding) they find morally abhorrent.

Suppose the issue was government mandating employers provide all employees cafeteria services (everyone needs to eat). But, not only that, the government has decided that all cafeterias MUST provide pork products. Most people would have no problem with this mandate. But suppose your corporation is PETA (or a mosque) -- Why should the government tell you that YOUR cafeteria MUST provide pork? (When people who want to buy pork are FREE to buy pork anywhere else (from people who are NOT vegetarians) AND you are feeding them (which is the purpose of a cafeteria).)

This was settled church doctrine long before the United States even existed. The Catholic Church did not seek this conflict -- this conflict was imposed on the church. The constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion -- that liberty has been seriously undermined here.



Oh yes... It's time to make it rain crazy in here
 
2012-03-02 05:28:44 PM

Bevets: quickdraw:

[littlegreenfootballs.com image 485x313]

No reporters seemed to ponder the possibility that the feminists might have an agenda to deflect attention from the real point of the panel-the violation of religious liberty in the President's new healthcare law. Nor did the various news outlets give much attention at all to a photo of the second panel that addressed congress:

[www.dennyburk.com image 573x383]


Oh yeah, Bevets is here.

*makes popcorn*
 
2012-03-02 05:29:25 PM

Bevets: Yesterday Missouri State Representative Stacey Newman (D-St. Louis County) filed HB1853, which would only allow a man to have a vasectomy when doing so would protect him from serious injury or prevent his death.

Ah, the legislation's on the other set of genitalia now.
Rep. Newman -- whom I'd like to nominate for Hero Squad right here and now -- has been frustrated with the recent political debates over birth control access and reproductive health. The legislation is her pointed way of combating the idea that family planning is something only women have to worry about.

The Catholic Church is not stopping ANYONE from purchasing contraception. The Catholic Church should not be compelled to participate in an act (through funding) they find morally abhorrent.

Suppose the issue was government mandating employers provide all employees cafeteria services (everyone needs to eat). But, not only that, the government has decided that all cafeterias MUST provide pork products. Most people would have no problem with this mandate. But suppose your corporation is PETA (or a mosque) -- Why should the government tell you that YOUR cafeteria MUST provide pork? (When people who want to buy pork are FREE to buy pork anywhere else (from people who are NOT vegetarians) AND you are feeding them (which is the purpose of a cafeteria).)

This was settled church doctrine long before the United States even existed. The Catholic Church did not seek this conflict -- this conflict was imposed on the church. The constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion -- that liberty has been seriously undermined here.


I'm glad we agree: single-payer health care would fix this whole (Catholic Church)-created mess.
 
2012-03-02 05:35:22 PM

quickdraw: namegoeshere: Share again, plz. I missed it the first time.

[littlegreenfootballs.com image 485x313]


Ladyparts is now trending on Twitter!
 
2012-03-02 05:36:52 PM
How will this affect us men that have already had the snip?

Are we manwhores?

Let's ask this guy.

i457.photobucket.com

Well. shiat. Guess I'm a monogamous manwhore.
 
2012-03-02 05:38:33 PM

Bevets: the violation of religious liberty in the President's new healthcare law.


I know it's pointless to respond to you, but if this is a violation of religious liberty, then so is the marijuana ban.
 
2012-03-02 05:38:42 PM

Bevets: No reporters seemed to ponder the possibility that the feminists might have an agenda to deflect attention from the real point of the panel-the violation of religious liberty in the President's new healthcare law. Nor did the various news outlets give much attention at all to a photo of the second panel that addressed congress:


So if I don't believe in war can I opt out on paying taxes when the US government is at war?

Where does the new liberty that has been created now (they had to do this in the past) end?
 
2012-03-02 05:39:40 PM

HeartBurnKid: Bevets: the violation of religious liberty in the President's new healthcare law.

I know it's pointless to respond to you, but if this is a violation of religious liberty, then so is the marijuana ban.


Well, it's not forcing a church to fund it, so he's lost that argument from the get go.

If this is a violation of religious liberty, than so is the Civil Right's Act.
 
2012-03-02 05:39:46 PM
I can't say that I approve of intentionally introducing legislation you know to be retarded in response to other people's retarded legislation they think is legit.

... what you should do is add your intentionally retarded shiat as an amendment to the retarded bill in question. That way you're not potentially accidentally passing something terrible that you meant as a joke, you're highlighting how stupid this shiat is.
 
2012-03-02 05:39:58 PM
Can someone tell me why churches have to run hospitals or colleges?

Where is that right exactly?
 
2012-03-02 05:40:27 PM

Quasar: Force men seeking a vasectomy to have an ultrasound in their urethra, and mandate that they listen to their penile dickbeat.


I nominate this for FARK Post of the WeekTM.

And maybe post of the goddamn YEAR.

And "Penile Dickbeat" would be an awesome name for a 70s punk band.
 
2012-03-02 05:40:55 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Oh yes... It's time to make it rain crazy in here


I think that's the most succinct description of a Bevets thread ever.
 
2012-03-02 05:41:50 PM

Corvus: Can someone tell me why churches have to run hospitals or colleges?

Where is that right exactly?


In Catholic theology, God is also Jesus and the Holy Spirit, all at the same time. The Catholic Church is simultaneously a business and a religious organization and either, depending on whether or not rape victims are pounding on the door.
 
2012-03-02 05:41:52 PM
She's going the wrong way. It should be that since the GOP wants to restrict women from using contraception, vasectomies should be mandatory until the man is married and ready to have kids.
 
2012-03-02 05:42:01 PM

HeartBurnKid: Bevets: the violation of religious liberty in the President's new healthcare law.

I know it's pointless to respond to you, but if this is a violation of religious liberty, then so is the marijuana ban.


So is making Christmas a national holiday, and not Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur (for example).
 
2012-03-02 05:44:32 PM
FTFA: back-alley ballsnipper



I just thought this needed to be posted here because that is an awesome comment
 
2012-03-02 05:45:53 PM

Elandriel: AlinaJoan: I say that before any man chooses to engage in sex he must first submit to a physical where the doctor repeatedly checks his prostate and sperm count.

Will the doctor be hot?


Yes, if you are into old, fat and bald men with onion breath. It in the law.
 
2012-03-02 05:46:01 PM

namegoeshere: I would like for a female to explain why they will be voting Republican in the next election. Anyone?


Because socialism!
 
2012-03-02 05:51:01 PM
Wow for once someone in the Missouri Legislature from St. Louis who is not a farking retard and doesn't make me feel ashamed to be from this state.

Beats the farktards near me who think that abolishing school lunch programs during the summer will help kids get a job at McDonald's and who thinks that the governor should buy a lottery ticket every week to try to close up the budget gap.

Link

Link
 
2012-03-02 05:51:55 PM
Oh crap . . . it's Bevets making the same stupid post again.

FWIW, our insurance plan was happy to cover my wife's tubal. Last pregnancy we had 36 week twins (met our deductible very quickly), insurance paid for itself that year!

If we hadn't had insurance, Medicaid would've been stuck with bills. So, a national health care policy that incorporates low-cost/free family planning saves you money and saves me money on premiums!

/It's better for you . . . it's better for them!
 
2012-03-02 05:52:06 PM

quatchi:
Oh yeah, Bevets is here.

*makes popcorn*


The FARK authority has issued a force 3 Troll Warning for the Politics Tab and outlying areas of the business and entertainment tabs. Additionally a troll watch is in effect until sundown Friday for the main page. Expect sustained Derps coming from the southeast peaking at about 70 Herps per hour. Residents in the immediate vicinity of Bevets, EviroDude and greater DarthBrooks should brace for torrents of buttmad, with occasional wharrgarbl that may reach up to 20 inches.
 
2012-03-02 05:52:29 PM
What is this I don't even...

I'm having a slow day today - What, exactly, is she trying to counter with this proposal? Is it the opposition to the birth control mandate? That would be a completely false analogy unless she was proposing that employers not be required to cover vasectomies unless medically necessary. I'd suspect those people who are opposed to the BC mandate would be in agreement with her proposal to not mandate coverage of vasectomies.

Or is she protesting against proposed restrictions on abortion? That would also be a false analogy, because vasectomies don't kill something with a beating heart.

So, it looks to me like this is an embarrassing swing and miss for this lady.
 
2012-03-02 05:56:28 PM
Bevets is a tool. Regardless of how cute it is too laugh at him, this guy is a grade A, obfuscating tool.
 
2012-03-02 05:56:43 PM

namegoeshere: I would like for a female to explain why they will be voting Republican in the next election. Anyone?


I'll have to re-register Republican to do it, but I'll be voting for Ron Paul. Does that count?

He has the strongest focus on reigning in government spending, doesn't entertain lobbyists, has a sensible and practical outlook on foreign policy and immigration, and doesn't have an enormous list of lies/inconsistencies attached to his record. If I thought Buddy Roemer or Gary Johnson had even the slightest chance, I'd consider them, too. I'm barely hopeful that Ron Paul could swing a win during a brokered convention, but...the other choices are unpalatable.
 
2012-03-02 05:57:27 PM

gimmegimme: Bevets: Yesterday Missouri State Representative Stacey Newman (D-St. Louis County) filed HB1853, which would only allow a man to have a vasectomy when doing so would protect him from serious injury or prevent his death.

Ah, the legislation's on the other set of genitalia now.
Rep. Newman -- whom I'd like to nominate for Hero Squad right here and now -- has been frustrated with the recent political debates over birth control access and reproductive health. The legislation is her pointed way of combating the idea that family planning is something only women have to worry about.

The Catholic Church is not stopping ANYONE from purchasing contraception. The Catholic Church should not be compelled to participate in an act (through funding) they find morally abhorrent.

Suppose the issue was government mandating employers provide all employees cafeteria services (everyone needs to eat). But, not only that, the government has decided that all cafeterias MUST provide pork products. Most people would have no problem with this mandate. But suppose your corporation is PETA (or a mosque) -- Why should the government tell you that YOUR cafeteria MUST provide pork? (When people who want to buy pork are FREE to buy pork anywhere else (from people who are NOT vegetarians) AND you are feeding them (which is the purpose of a cafeteria).)

This was settled church doctrine long before the United States even existed. The Catholic Church did not seek this conflict -- this conflict was imposed on the church. The constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion -- that liberty has been seriously undermined here.

I'm glad we agree: single-payer health care would fix this whole (Catholic Church)-created mess.


Well, single payer would fix it. But the mess isn't created by the Catholic Church as much as you'd like to think it is. It is created by the government mandating that employers pay for something that the government should pay for, if it wants people to be provided with it.

I'm in favor of single payer, but absent single payer employer mandates shouldn't be the answer.
 
ecl
2012-03-02 05:57:30 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: What is this I don't even...

I'm having a slow day today - What, exactly, is she trying to counter with this proposal? Is it the opposition to the birth control mandate? That would be a completely false analogy unless she was proposing that employers not be required to cover vasectomies unless medically necessary. I'd suspect those people who are opposed to the BC mandate would be in agreement with her proposal to not mandate coverage of vasectomies.

Or is she protesting against proposed restrictions on abortion? That would also be a false analogy, because vasectomies don't kill something with a beating heart.

So, it looks to me like this is an embarrassing swing and miss for this lady.


*WHOOOSH*

Right over your head.
 
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