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(CNBC)   It's 2012. Increased demand for technical and medical workers, so as a state what do you logically do? Why start closing entire engineering, computer science departments and whole colleges of course   (cnbc.com ) divider line
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2012-03-02 09:23:04 AM  
It's bad enough these people get paid more than the grads of gender studies. To have demand for such skill so flagrant is shocking.
 
2012-03-02 09:24:54 AM  
Good. We don't need those college snobs!
 
2012-03-02 09:27:42 AM  
Continuing the decline of the once-great American nation.
 
2012-03-02 09:56:42 AM  

BurnShrike: Continuing the decline of the once-great American nation.


Dumb shiat! Don't you know it's low taxes that makes us great? And if one of the Four Unicorns of the Apocalypse gets elected in November, they'll go lower still (for the rich, of course).
 
2012-03-02 09:57:57 AM  
Our political discourse about funding has degenerated from "who cares if we waste money as long as it's not my money" to "who cares if we waste money as long as we inflict damage."
 
2012-03-02 10:01:52 AM  
Because having an uneducated workforce is such a great way to convince an employer to locate a high-tech, high-wage facility in one's state.

"Ok, Skeeter, I think we turn this here hardon collander on by pushin' that there button what for the smiling Jesus!"
 
2012-03-02 10:09:44 AM  
So, the administration, whom presumably will be hitting old age in relatively short time, are perpetuating a nursing shortage in their area. God I hope this bites them in the ass.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-03-02 10:11:02 AM  
If you don't have to pay taxes then you don't need an economy, duh!
 
2012-03-02 10:33:35 AM  
As long as the athletic departments stay funded we'll be ok.
 
2012-03-02 10:36:28 AM  
Make sure all football and basketball teams are fully funded, though!
 
2012-03-02 10:40:53 AM  
Next time their computers fark up, they can call an English major
 
2012-03-02 10:42:16 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Make sure all football and basketball teams are fully funded, though!


I think you meant to say women's sports teams there, as they are funded by the profits of the football and basketball teams.
 
2012-03-02 10:45:21 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Next time their computers fark up, they can call an English major


My girlfriend has a BA in English and she is currently studying for her Microsoft certs.
 
2012-03-02 10:46:11 AM  
Why have these professionals anyway. We wont pay for them. We would rather have some indian guy on the other line in a call center reading from a script.
 
2012-03-02 10:47:09 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Next time their computers fark up, they can call an English major


Then who would serve the lattes?
 
2012-03-02 10:52:53 AM  

Farkn Yaj Yenrac: Then who would serve the lattes?


Communication Majors
 
2012-03-02 10:55:35 AM  
Less expensive to get qualified people from outside America.

Race to the bottom.. yahoo!
 
2012-03-02 10:55:38 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Make sure all football and basketball teams are fully funded, though!


Many football programs support the entire athletic department as well as contributing millions back to their academic institution.

These millions are then used to support your art history program so you can continue to be super duper important when discussing paintings at Starbucks. During your break, of course.
 
2012-03-02 10:57:03 AM  
But football is untouched, right? because that's why people GO to college, right?
 
2012-03-02 10:57:06 AM  
If you libtards could stop sucking off this country's tit for five minutes, you'd man up and start your own damn universities and train yourself.
 
jgi
2012-03-02 10:58:16 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Next time their computers fark up, they can call an English major


I was an English major and now I do IT professionally. Funny that... real skill leads to job opportunity, not a piece of paper.
 
2012-03-02 10:59:39 AM  
It don't cost nothing to learn the Bible.
 
2012-03-02 11:01:47 AM  
Sheesh, everybody can stop harassing me about dissing English majors now

/the comment was in the context of the schools closing technical departments
//not that English majors can't do anything else
 
2012-03-02 11:02:58 AM  
Rick Santorum: "President Obama once said he wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob."

Lest we admit that the morans run the asylum, what Pres. Obama really said in the State of the Onion speech:
"So tonight I ask that all Americans commit to at least one year or more of career or technical education."
 
2012-03-02 11:08:01 AM  

Omnivorous: Rick Santorum: "President Obama once said he wants everybody in America to go to college. What a snob."

Lest we admit that the morans run the asylum, what Pres. Obama really said in the State of the Onion speech:
"So tonight I ask that all Americans commit to at least one year or more of career or technical education."


I see what you did there.
 
2012-03-02 11:10:54 AM  
Look, I'm for college reform but not the kind these farking morons advocate.

First: The Nursing problem is endemic. Trained nurses don't want to teach. They can make 2 or 3x that salary by nursing. So there's a severe shortage of teachers to teach nursing. With all the public employee hate taken up by the knuckle draggers, whoda thunk?

Second, South Dakota is not the model you want to follow for any sort of Educational reform. Some local State Rep moron wanted to turn the State Engineering School Private. He wouldn't let it go. He was going to make the school do a quarter million dollar study to see if it was feasible. I didn't see any Tea Tards protesting then.

If you really want to reform college, you need to bust the mind set of degree=success in every field, no matter what. Second, you need to cut they pay of the Administration. farking Professors are NOT the problem. Administration is: they keep multiplying positions and making exponentially more money while faculty salary is in the toilet in, surprise surprise, the predominately red states. Faculty get shiat on by the know-nothings, but they aren't the issue.

If schools cannot find competent faculty and pay them (and compensate) well, they will leave for greener pastures.

Also, just FYI, one of the side effects of your precious Republican House was the elimination of direct NSF entitlements to Research Programs in University. Instead of dealing directly with the NSF and the Feds, Schools now, to get the research money that is crucial to undergrad development and faculty research, have to play a game of reach around. It was designed to "cut the budget". All it did was make everything way more difficult and expensive for both sides.

Where's the Tea Tards protesting now?
 
2012-03-02 11:11:30 AM  
The post World War II economic boom, for example, has been attributed to increased college enrollment thanks to the G.I. Bill.

Correlation!= causation.

Also, I'm fairly certain it had to do with dumping an entire population of career-age males into an economy primed and ready to absorb hundreds of thousands of industrial and manufacturing jobs originally generated by the war, now shifting towards peacetime commercial manufacturing. Sure, sending some of those guys to college created some higher-skill employees, but the overall economic effect couldn't have been larger than what I mentioned, especially on that short of a time scale.

It is also likely that the postwar boom was the natural conclusion of the recession/boom cycle that any economy of scale naturally makes.
 
jgi
2012-03-02 11:14:47 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sheesh, everybody can stop harassing me about dissing English majors now


Also, my doctor was an English major in undergrad.

One of the companies I consult for, the executives have BAs in areas like History and French; one of them, I think, studied Fine Art in undergrad.

Anecdotal, I know, but I think the key to success is to not be an idiot.

Dissed!
 
2012-03-02 11:20:03 AM  

gaslight: It's bad enough these people get paid more than the grads of gender studies. To have demand for such skill so flagrant is shocking.


Do community colleges even have gender studies programs?
 
2012-03-02 11:25:40 AM  

xtragrind: Tyrone Slothrop: Make sure all football and basketball teams are fully funded, though!

Many football programs support the entire athletic department as well as contributing millions back to their academic institution.

These millions are then used to support your art history program so you can continue to be super duper important when discussing paintings at Starbucks. During your break, of course.


The hard sciences and engineering also earn lots of money for their institutions.
 
2012-03-02 11:26:38 AM  

Arkanaut: Do community colleges even have gender studies programs?


Yes in the dorm rooms and Planned parenthood supports them. (rimshot)
 
2012-03-02 11:27:30 AM  
I really think the people at the top of our country's business enterprise have gotten way out of touch with what it takes to produce goods and services, in particular the skill sets necessary to do make the product/ perform the service that they're selling.

I've talked to business people, and in business school they teach you in abstractions. They evaluate performance in terms of widgets made per hour, or some such. As long as your equations come out OK, you're putting in X dollars and you're getting Y widgets that you can be relatively sure will turn Z amount of profit. That's a great model that makes total sense for a manufacturing based economy, but does it really make sense for a services-based economy?

I'm not so sure that abstraction is really what you want for a modern America. It's reductive for the common worker, and I really have to ask: the whole attraction of American business is that we've got bright and motivated workers. Does it really make sense to evaluate those people purely in terms of inputs and outputs? You delude yourself into thinking that Y American widgets are exactly equivalent to Y Chinese widgets, or Y Indian widgets, when they're really not- and this difference shows up most prominently in the really high-tech fields that we've spent a century getting really good at.

We should be exulting the American worker. Boardrooms full of executives sit around and produce nothing without the labor of their countrymen. Sometimes I think about our country, and I have to ask, what is it we really do? What do we really want to do? Is it this?
 
2012-03-02 11:27:35 AM  

jgi: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Sheesh, everybody can stop harassing me about dissing English majors now

Also, my doctor was an English major in undergrad.

One of the companies I consult for, the executives have BAs in areas like History and French; one of them, I think, studied Fine Art in undergrad.

Anecdotal, I know, but I think the key to success is to not be an idiot.

Dissed!


No shiat. An English major with an education beats a trained monkey with an IT degree. Of course, not all English majors have educations, and not all people with IT degrees are just trained monkeys. It's like college these days just adds noise to the calculation.
 
2012-03-02 11:27:39 AM  
As long as bible classes remain open, I'm ok with this
 
2012-03-02 11:29:44 AM  

xtragrind: Tyrone Slothrop: Make sure all football and basketball teams are fully funded, though!

Many football programs support the entire athletic department as well as contributing millions back to their academic institution.

These millions are then used to support your art history program so you can continue to be super duper important when discussing paintings at Starbucks. During your break, of course.


www.knightcommission.org

Totally makes sense to spend an average of $84k per athlete on athletics and only $13k per student on academics at an institution that exist for...well, I thought it was academics, but it must be athletics.

They are cutting the STEM programs because these programs need equipment and highly qualified people with PhDs to teach them. Business schools only need PowerPoint, a copy of Wall Street, and a monkey to press play. Then if any of the snot they turn out actually makes money, they get a fat donation to put the doorknob's name on a hallway.

//Business undergrad with an MBA, not smart enough for STEM. Would you like a literacola with your fries?
 
2012-03-02 11:34:43 AM  
Wife runs HR for a nursing / rehab facility. Hard to find good nurses. Caring is no longer something that is inherent to the profession, with the ratio some facilities have, and the management style it is all about the process, and the paperwork. Hard to turn a profit, and I fear the government intrusion will only make it worse. The problem is with these rally cries from the Prez, too many people who wouldnt normally be good for the job will show up to do it. They will trudge through the educational part, be mediocre and get hired because we need them.
 
2012-03-02 11:42:07 AM  

Bagelox-99: Our political discourse about funding has degenerated from "who cares if we waste money as long as it's not my money" to "who cares if we waste money as long as we inflict damage."


The endgame will be half of the population employed tasing and pepper spraying the other half, which won't have jobs at all, eight hours a day. Meanwhile, the rest of the world will watch in horror and disbelief, as the statue of liberty comes to symbolize the exact opposite of what it does now.
 
2012-03-02 11:47:28 AM  
This is why balanced budget amendments are idiotic.
 
2012-03-02 11:53:57 AM  

xtragrind: Tyrone Slothrop: Make sure all football and basketball teams are fully funded, though!

Many football programs support the entire athletic department as well as contributing millions back to their academic institution.

These millions are then used to support your art history program so you can continue to be super duper important when discussing paintings at Starbucks. During your break, of course.


You sound like an Exercise Technology major.
 
2012-03-02 11:58:39 AM  
Let's see... what do these states all have in common?

Nebraska
Nevada
South Dakota
Colorado
Michigan
Florida
Texas

/Clinton said once (paraphrase): Stupid people vote Republican. Educated people vote Democrat. Want to guess who is anti-education?
 
2012-03-02 12:00:11 PM  

trotsky: Second, you need to cut they pay of the Administration. farking Professors are NOT the problem. Administration is: they keep multiplying positions and making exponentially more money while faculty salary is in the toilet


Ding ding ding, we have a winner! Per the Washington Monthly (^):
Forty years ago, America's colleges employed more professors than administrators. The efforts of 446,830 professors were supported by 268,952 administrators and staffers. Over the past four decades, though, the number of full-time professors or "full-time equivalents"-that is, slots filled by two or more part-time faculty members whose combined hours equal those of a full-timer-increased slightly more than 50 percent. That percentage is comparable to the growth in student enrollments during the same time period. But the number of administrators and administrative staffers employed by those schools increased by an astonishing 85 percent and 240 percent, respectively.
Worsening matters is that universities are relying more and more on adjunct faculty, who receive comparatively paltry wages and benefits, for the sake of elevating the bureaucracy.
 
2012-03-02 12:00:46 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Next time their computers fark up, they can call an English major


Hast thou endeavored to turn it off and back on again?
 
2012-03-02 12:55:59 PM  

Rain-Monkey: Let's see... what do these states all have in common?

Nebraska
Nevada
South Dakota
Colorado
Michigan
Florida
Texas

/Clinton said once (paraphrase): Stupid people vote Republican. Educated people vote Democrat. Want to guess who is anti-education?


Michigan is a Republican state now?
 
2012-03-02 12:56:01 PM  
My son was at Tulane University when New Orleans was hit by Katrina. The following semester, Spring 06, the school administration decided to cut the entire Engineering and Computer Science schools ( with the exception of Chemical Engineering , I think ). If ever there was a place that showed a need for Civil, Mechanical, Electrical, Computer and software engineers it was New Orleans. The city would have been a giant lab for the students to try to come up with innovations in pump technologies, levee improvements, computer controls etc. I 've never understood what the school admins were thinking.
 
2012-03-02 01:01:22 PM  

jgi: Anecdotal, I know, but I think the key to success is to not be an idiot.


Bears repeating.
 
2012-03-02 01:02:12 PM  

PowerSlacker: Tyrone Slothrop: Make sure all football and basketball teams are fully funded, though!

I think you meant to say women's sports teams there, as they are funded by the profits of the football and basketball teams.


If that's true, why is there a separate charge that students at all Univ of Texas campus's have to pay?
 
2012-03-02 01:07:32 PM  

shanteyman: My son was at Tulane University when New Orleans was hit by Katrina. The following semester, Spring 06, the school administration decided to cut the entire Engineering and Computer Science schools ( with the exception of Chemical Engineering , I think ). If ever there was a place that showed a need for Civil, Mechanical, Electrical, Computer and software engineers it was New Orleans. The city would have been a giant lab for the students to try to come up with innovations in pump technologies, levee improvements, computer controls etc. I 've never understood what the school admins were thinking.


H1-B's are cheaper and work harder.
 
2012-03-02 01:20:42 PM  
I'm pursuing my GED in law, so I'm getting a real kick out of these comments.
 
2012-03-02 01:30:10 PM  
We're REALLY screwing the pooch as far as nursing instruction goes. My wife would probably make a great instructor but why take a nearly 50% pay cut over what she makes on the floor.... unless, of course, its to escape yet another 3 paperwork forms she has to complete while having her patient load increased.

There is going to be a slow motion nursing trainwreck over the next 10 years. Older nurses are retiring, there arent enough programs and teachers to train the new ones as fast as the population is growing and aging, and hospital administrators respond to decreasing patient satisfaction by.... get this.... cutting staffing numbers until productivity (patient survey happiness/headcount) improves.

/don't get sick....
 
2012-03-02 01:42:27 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Next time their computers fark up, they can call an English major


They already do.

If you get a call center in the US, who do you think they are talking to, a CS grad or a English major?

//The saying should change from "Would you like fries with that?" to "Thank you for calling Tech Support, how can I assist you?"
 
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