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(Wikipedia)   Fifty years ago, Wilt Chamberlain scored all night. Then he went out and put in 36 field goals and 28 foul shots against the Knicks to set an NBA record   (en.wikipedia.org) divider line 71
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2012-03-02 11:45:31 AM  
OK, let's get it started:

Wilt Chamberlain: Greatest NBA Player Ever

Discuss
 
2012-03-02 11:52:26 AM  

LawrencePerson: OK, let's get it started:

Wilt Chamberlain: Greatest NBA Player Ever

Discuss


Chamberlain >= Oscar Robertson for regular season statistics, but to be the greatest you also need to be the greatest in the playoffs which he was not.

/Forget trying to find the greatest, its too subject and the game has changed too much. Its much better to just find that group of players everyone should be compared against. In terms of greatest Center, hes definitely in the top 3, and I would put him in my top 5 players of all time.
//there can't be a greatest because the game hasn't stopped he/she may still be out there
 
2012-03-02 11:52:46 AM  
Wilt was awesome. Here he is making Arnold and Andre look small and weak

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2012-03-02 11:53:04 AM  
I hate it when people say a record is 'unbreakable', however the '100 point game' probably comes as close to that line as possible without going over. Simply unreal what Wilt did that night.
 
2012-03-02 11:55:18 AM  

Recoil Therapy: I hate it when people say a record is 'unbreakable', however the '100 point game' probably comes as close to that line as possible without going over. Simply unreal what Wilt did that night.


Kobe scored 81 and was taken out of the game early, unless I am remembering that incorrectly.

The most amazing part was the 28 for 32 from the line for a guy that sucked at shooting FTs.
 
2012-03-02 11:56:07 AM  

Recoil Therapy: I hate it when people say a record is 'unbreakable', however the '100 point game' probably comes as close to that line as possible without going over. Simply unreal what Wilt did that night.


Kobe got within 20 a few years back. It is doable. Cy Young's all time win record is the most unbreakable, imo.
 
2012-03-02 12:00:00 PM  

machoprogrammer: Recoil Therapy: I hate it when people say a record is 'unbreakable', however the '100 point game' probably comes as close to that line as possible without going over. Simply unreal what Wilt did that night.

Kobe got within 20 a few years back. It is doable. Cy Young's all time win record is the most unbreakable, imo.


Yeah, pitchers don't start nearly as often as they used to back in his era. Winning 20 games a season these days is difficult even for top pitchers. If a pitcher won 20 games a season for 20 straight years they would still be over a hundred wins short. It's pretty damn impressive.
 
2012-03-02 12:00:37 PM  
And across America thousands of his children are celebrating.
 
2012-03-02 12:08:15 PM  

machoprogrammer: Recoil Therapy: I hate it when people say a record is 'unbreakable', however the '100 point game' probably comes as close to that line as possible without going over. Simply unreal what Wilt did that night.

Kobe got within 20 a few years back. It is doable.


Against the Raptors though, whose entire roster from that year is getting offered indoor soccer contracts about now. It's doable, but I think it's more likely to be broken by a big-man who can hit his free throws than a guard or forward. Especially now, where there's only a handful of centers who can chew gum and walk at the same time. If Howard would swallow some pride and start shooting granny style like Rick Barry, might have a chance.

Cy Young's all time win Johnny Vander Meer's record is the most unbreakable, imo.

imo.
 
2012-03-02 12:08:22 PM  
There are plenty of sports records that are essentially unbreakable under current rules and practices.

I don't know too much about basketball, but in baseball the career wins record of 511 and season wins of 59 are effectively unbreakable since pitchers simply don't play enough to achieve these marks anymore. There is a potential for a fundamental shift in the nature of the sport again, but since it has been shifting away from that for 100 years, it is exceedingly unlikely.
 
2012-03-02 12:27:11 PM  

dywed88: There are plenty of sports records that are essentially unbreakable under current rules and practices.

I don't know too much about basketball, but in baseball the career wins record of 511 and season wins of 59 are effectively unbreakable since pitchers simply don't play enough to achieve these marks anymore. There is a potential for a fundamental shift in the nature of the sport again, but since it has been shifting away from that for 100 years, it is exceedingly unlikely.



WRONG.....all the best players to ever play any sports simply retired 60 years ago and the whippersnappers of today simply couldn't compete with the legends (notice the word legends) of before.
 
2012-03-02 12:30:13 PM  
Did a Limey write this headline? Field goals and foul shots? Who even uses that terminology in basketball?
 
2012-03-02 12:32:23 PM  

LawrencePerson: OK, let's get it started:

Wilt Chamberlain: Greatest NBA Player Ever

Discuss


No, because it's clear that basketball was a secondary thing to him, something that he could do well that enabled him to live his life a certain way. Not that there's anything wrong with this, but if you're going to call someone "the greatest", they really need to have that Russell/Jordan/Kobe level of need to win.

Also, just to fill the requirement for this Wilt thread, I have to point out that 10 guys will break the 100 point record before anyone breaks the 55 rebound one.
 
2012-03-02 12:39:41 PM  
No pictures, images or film of that game. But I was there, yea, that's the ticket. I saw the whole thing....yea.

Meet my wife, Morgan Fairchild.

/Jabbar was better.
 
2012-03-02 12:44:22 PM  
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strangely accurate
 
2012-03-02 12:51:26 PM  

PunchDrunkPanda: Johnny Vander Meer's record is the most unbreakable, imo.


Back-to-back no-hitters? No. That's not even in the same galactic sector as 511 wins.

No-hitters have a significant "statistical anomaly" factor to them. Yes, it takes some mad skillz to do it, but since there's some luck involved as well, to some extent they're statistical flukes.

It is entirely plausible that a pitcher goes on an insane hot streak and goes three games without giving up a hit. It's long odds against, but possible.

Pitchers, however, are not even given the opportunity to win the 25 games per season required to even approach Cy Young's record. For example, based on his current W/L record, Justin Verlander would have to repeat his monster 2011 season 17 more times to break the career wins record.

Pitchers no longer get 45-50 decisions a year, and that's what it takes to get the opportunity to win 25-30 games per season consistently. To give you an idea how different it is in the modern game, chew on this: in 1893, Cy Young pitched a 34-16 record in 130 games total that season. That's a decision in more than 1/3 of the total games played. He didn't even lead the league in wins. He was tied for second.

Beating 511 is not going to happen. Ever.
 
2012-03-02 12:54:55 PM  

Klippoklondike: machoprogrammer: Recoil Therapy: I hate it when people say a record is 'unbreakable', however the '100 point game' probably comes as close to that line as possible without going over. Simply unreal what Wilt did that night.

Kobe got within 20 a few years back. It is doable. Cy Young's all time win record is the most unbreakable, imo.

Yeah, pitchers don't start nearly as often as they used to back in his era. Winning 20 games a season these days is difficult even for top pitchers. If a pitcher won 20 games a season for 20 straight years they would still be over a hundred wins short. It's pretty damn impressive.


To me, Kobe's much more impressive in today's game where defenses are much stronger. Wilt did it against meager competition and teams played zero defense (look at the final score of the 100-pt game)
 
2012-03-02 12:59:02 PM  

PunchDrunkPanda: machoprogrammer: Recoil Therapy: I hate it when people say a record is 'unbreakable', however the '100 point game' probably comes as close to that line as possible without going over. Simply unreal what Wilt did that night.

Kobe got within 20 a few years back. It is doable.

Against the Raptors though, whose entire roster from that year is getting offered indoor soccer contracts about now. It's doable, but I think it's more likely to be broken by a big-man who can hit his free throws than a guard or forward. Especially now, where there's only a handful of centers who can chew gum and walk at the same time. If Howard would swallow some pride and start shooting granny style like Rick Barry, might have a chance.

Cy Young's all time win Johnny Vander Meer's record is the most unbreakable, imo.

imo.


Wilt shot his free-throws that night underhand. The thing that amazed me about that night that I just read is that the Warriors beat the Knicks 169-147. And people complain about lack of defense in today's game!
 
2012-03-02 01:03:12 PM  
Kobe got within 20 a few years back. It is doable. Cy Young's all time win record is the most unbreakable, imo.

20 points is a lot of points. That's not really that close.

Considering the league leaders usually average 28-30ppg, it's like saying Thad Young is almost as good as Kobe because he's withing 20ppg.
 
2012-03-02 01:04:08 PM  

dywed88: There are plenty of sports records that are essentially unbreakable under current rules and practices.

I don't know too much about basketball, but in baseball the career wins record of 511 and season wins of 59 are effectively unbreakable since pitchers simply don't play enough to achieve these marks anymore. There is a potential for a fundamental shift in the nature of the sport again, but since it has been shifting away from that for 100 years, it is exceedingly unlikely.


A lot Gretzky's records in hockey are the same way. The game of hockey is so different today that it's basically impossible to touch some of his records.

For example, for 9 seasons Gretzky spent in Edmonton, he averaged about 185 points per season. The leading scorer this season is going to finish with fewer than 110 points.
 
2012-03-02 01:10:33 PM  
 
2012-03-02 01:13:00 PM  

jayhawk88: No, because it's clear that basketball was a secondary thing to him, something that he could do well that enabled him to live his life a certain way. Not that there's anything wrong with this, but if you're going to call someone "the greatest", they really need to have that Russell/Jordan/Kobe level of need to win.


Didnt Wilt essential quit on his team during a finals game? I remember my father telling me something like that.
 
2012-03-02 01:13:58 PM  

fastfxr: Did a Limey write this headline? Field goals and foul shots? Who even uses that terminology in basketball?


I am sure there is a joke here that I am missing but what would you call them?
 
2012-03-02 01:14:02 PM  
Wilt's 48.5 minutes per game for a season will never be broken.
 
2012-03-02 01:24:19 PM  
20,000 women farked won't be broken either.
 
2012-03-02 01:32:41 PM  

Gunny Highway: fastfxr: Did a Limey write this headline? Field goals and foul shots? Who even uses that terminology in basketball?

I am sure there is a joke here that I am missing but what would you call them?


Basket go-ins and ones, you fancy talkin' nancy boy.
 
2012-03-02 01:37:43 PM  

bottsicus: The thing that amazed me about that night that I just read is that the Warriors beat the Knicks 169-147. And people complain about lack of defense in today's game!


It was part lack of defense and part crazy pace. I posted about this recently in another thread about Oscar Robertson, but numbers from that era are pretty inflated. Bill Simmons gave some actual stats to back it up here (new window, Crtl+F for "Oscar").

Not that it takes away from the greatness of guys like Wilt or Oscar, but I do think that the very top guys from other eras (Jordan, Magic, LeBron, etc.) could put up numbers at least approaching - if not equaling - what they did had the pace and style been the same.
 
2012-03-02 01:38:15 PM  

LawrencePerson: OK, let's get it started:

Wilt Chamberlain: Greatest NBA Player Athlete Ever

Discuss


When he was a sophomore in high school, he played a one-on-one game against the NCAA Finals MVP, and beat him so bad that the guy gave up an NBA career to become a tractor engineer. He said that he figured if kids in high school were that good, he'd stand no chance in the NBA.
 
2012-03-02 01:38:25 PM  

Recoil Therapy: I hate it when people say a record is 'unbreakable', however the '100 point game' probably comes as close to that line as possible without going over. Simply unreal what Wilt did that night.


You are FARKing high. That is one of the MOST breakable records. You want some unbreakable records? How about these:

1. Record for most innings pitched in a single game: 26

You think that one will be broken before someone scores a puny 100 in basketball? Really?

2. Innings pitched single season: 680

In the last 100 years, nobody has finished in the top 200 in that list. In 1912 Ed Walsh pitched 393 innings (217th on list). So he only need 287 more.

The only season anything like recent was Feller in 1946, with 371.1

Only 8 players in my lifetime have cracked the top 500 of that list.
 
2012-03-02 01:40:30 PM  
Baseball guys are real touchy about numbers and records, huh?
 
2012-03-02 01:45:42 PM  

Gunny Highway: Baseball guys are real touchy about numbers and records, huh?


Game of Nerds (new window)
 
2012-03-02 01:57:45 PM  

BKITU: Gunny Highway: Baseball guys are real touchy about numbers and records, huh?

Game of Nerds (new window)


baseball sucks. It was America's past time, we have moved on to the NFL. Get over it.
 
2012-03-02 01:59:28 PM  

SevenizGud: You are FARKing high. That is one of the MOST breakable records. You want some unbreakable records? How about these:


There are reasons why those records cannot be broken now. Pitch counts and the five man rotation are major factors. A better baseball record to use as an example is Cal Ripken's iron man record. Consecutive games started is something that is not affected by rules changes, more by player health and luck.
 
2012-03-02 02:01:21 PM  

Gunny Highway: Baseball guys are real touchy about numbers and records, huh?


I hope you are not referring to me as a "baseball guy" because I posted a response regarding unbreakability of records. I can't stand baseball. It like watching paint dry. It's the only "sport" where over half the guys on BOTH TEAMS are just standing there on every play. At least NASCAR from time to time has parts fly into the crowd and Darwin some of the rednecks attending. When is the last time you saw a guy try to hold off a breaking ball, and lose grip on the bat and sling it into the crowd and kill some annoying, crying baby wearing a Bocephus T-shirt?

By the way, the Wilt game was neither about lack of defense nor pace. It was that both teams found it in their strategic interest to spend most of the game intentionally fouling. The game ended with only 3 people on the court for one side, and one of them had a practice jersey with an illegal numer (you couldn't have a digit higher than 5 on the jersey), so he had to play the game in a plain white t-shirt with the number 53 drawn on in crayon.
 
2012-03-02 02:05:30 PM  

SevenizGud: By the way, the Wilt game was neither about lack of defense nor pace. It was that both teams found it in their strategic interest to spend most of the game intentionally fouling. The game ended with only 3 people on the court for one side, and one of them had a practice jersey with an illegal numer (you couldn't have a digit higher than 5 on the jersey), so he had to play the game in a plain white t-shirt with the number 53 drawn on in crayon


Really? Didn't know that. I didn't even know it was legal to have 3 guys on the court. I just took the trend of the era and applied it to one particular game. My bad.
 
2012-03-02 02:07:17 PM  

degenerate-afro: There are reasons why those records cannot be broken now. Pitch counts and the five man rotation are major factors.


So farking what? I was giving an example of an unbreakable record. Why the fark do you think I gave those? Because they are unbreakable. You idea that some other record is a better example is retarded. The iron man record is MORE breakable. Durrrr.

So let's review for the reading comprehension impaired - the idea is UNBREAKABLE records.
 
2012-03-02 02:13:17 PM  

fastfxr: Did a Limey write this headline? Field goals and foul shots? Who even uses that terminology in basketball?


Before there were "two-pointers" and "three-pointers," a basket made while the ball was in play was often called a field goal. I chose the term to reflect the era when the game was played.

/subby
/I could have written "free throw," I suppose.
 
2012-03-02 02:17:38 PM  
What was really impressive about Wilt's '61-'62 season was that he averaged 48.5 minutes and 50 points a game. The man never came out of the game and no one is even close as far as average points per game in a single season.
 
2012-03-02 02:26:12 PM  

SevenizGud: degenerate-afro: There are reasons why those records cannot be broken now. Pitch counts and the five man rotation are major factors.

So farking what? I was giving an example of an unbreakable record. Why the fark do you think I gave those? Because they are unbreakable. You idea that some other record is a better example is retarded. The iron man record is MORE breakable. Durrrr.

So let's review for the reading comprehension impaired - the idea is UNBREAKABLE records.


Why so angry? You need to get laid or somethin???
 
2012-03-02 02:36:41 PM  
There was an article in the Wall Street Journal earlier this week about that game. Supposedly, at that time (Wilt was 25 or 26 years old), he was 7'1'', 260 pounds and had a 31" waist. 31"!!!
 
2012-03-02 02:40:20 PM  
Most probably an unbreakable record: RBIs in a single inning - Fernando Tatis hit back to back grand slams for a total of 8.
 
2012-03-02 02:49:51 PM  

tirob: fastfxr: Did a Limey write this headline? Field goals and foul shots? Who even uses that terminology in basketball?

Before there were "two-pointers" and "three-pointers," a basket made while the ball was in play was often called a field goal. I chose the term to reflect the era when the game was played.

/subby
/I could have written "free throw," I suppose.


Those terms are still used in box scores so I think they are more than appropriate.
 
2012-03-02 03:13:10 PM  

hugram: 20,000 women farked won't be broken either.


I think they've done statistical analysis and talked to people that hung out with him, and it was deemed a huge exaggeration. He did fark a lot, but 20,000 different women would leave him no time to play basketball.
 
2012-03-02 03:18:44 PM  
Johnny Vander Meer's record is the most unbreakable, imo.

Sidd Finch threw three back to back no-hitters in spring training before his premature retirement...
 
2012-03-02 03:18:47 PM  

Gunny Highway: Probasketballtalk suggests Kobe's 81 is more impressive than Wilt's 100. (new window)


Well, they're wrong. First off Wilt also added 25rebs in his game. Secondly watch the tape of Kobe's 81. He's never double-teamed, and his defender is almost always 4-5 feet off of him. I highly doubt seven-foot Wilt was in single coverage the entire game like Kobe was.
 
2012-03-02 03:26:12 PM  
I'd like to know how Wilt ended up taking 32 free throws in that game. That means at least 16 trips to the foul line, right? Isnt that an about-average number of trips to the line for a whole team these days?
 
2012-03-02 03:27:40 PM  
RIP Neville Chamberlain

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2012-03-02 03:29:18 PM  

machoprogrammer: hugram: 20,000 women farked won't be broken either.

I think they've done statistical analysis and talked to people that hung out with him, and it was deemed a huge exaggeration. He did fark a lot, but 20,000 different women would leave him no time to play basketball.


sort of csb
I used to work with a girl (around 1995) that used to go off all the time about what a worthless POS Wilt Chamerlain was. She swore up and down that he was her father and he wouldn't acknowledge her. Up until that point in my life, I didn't know who the guy was (never been a basketball person, neither was anyone in my family). Anyway, she was a little off center to say the least, had serious emotional issues. Never was sure if she was making it up or not.
 
2012-03-02 03:30:00 PM  

spanarkelspinner: Gunny Highway: Probasketballtalk suggests Kobe's 81 is more impressive than Wilt's 100. (new window)

Well, they're wrong. First off Wilt also added 25rebs in his game. Secondly watch the tape of Kobe's 81. He's never double-teamed, and his defender is almost always 4-5 feet off of him. I highly doubt seven-foot Wilt was in single coverage the entire game like Kobe was.


Im not saying I agree with it but I thought it was an interesting read.
 
2012-03-02 03:32:40 PM  
Probably an unbreakable record, if for no other reason than any coach who had his players deliberately foul the other team just to make sure his guy got enough extra shot attempts to do it (as happened with Wilt's 100 point* game) would be fired before the game was even over.
 
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