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2012-03-02 12:41:40 PM  

DarwiOdrade: colon_pow: PacManDreaming: SmellsLikePoo: If I smoke before bed, no dreams (that I remember), but I sleep like a rock.

One of the best things about the stuff. In college, it was the last thing my friends and I did before we went to bed. You wake up the next day feeling refreshed.

the stuff going around these days actually prevents me from sleeping for awhile.

Sativa in the daytime, Indica at night and you should sleep fine


good advice, thanks.
 
2012-03-02 01:06:57 PM  
Well, yeah if you're smoking weed you're taking in not just THC but plant matter, resin, and the other psychoactive chemicals.This article doesn't mention different types of THC, as there is a huge difference between indica and sativa as well as hash vs. weed.

Personally, I smoke mainly indicas and my memory is fine. However, it's much easier to become the stereotypical confused "wait what" stoner who can't remember shiat because of sativas and their more apparent effect on the brain.
 
2012-03-02 01:10:53 PM  

colon_pow: DarwiOdrade: colon_pow: PacManDreaming: SmellsLikePoo: If I smoke before bed, no dreams (that I remember), but I sleep like a rock.

One of the best things about the stuff. In college, it was the last thing my friends and I did before we went to bed. You wake up the next day feeling refreshed.

the stuff going around these days actually prevents me from sleeping for awhile.

Sativa in the daytime, Indica at night and you should sleep fine

good advice, thanks.


and a good 60/40 leaning indica hybrid will do okay if you can't find and stock both types
 
2012-03-02 01:13:37 PM  
If they find out enough about it, they can breed it out of certain strains, even.

Legalize.
 
2012-03-02 01:51:07 PM  
The effects are only, ah...
 
2012-03-02 01:56:19 PM  

cryinoutloud: Of course it impairs something, that's why people smoke it.

This is talking about your working memory, which I think is your memory of what you're doing right now, not the kind of memory where you can't remember the next day what you did because you were stoned. This is more about how when you get stoned, you forget that you were typing on Fark and go outside and start playing in your yard, stuff like that. As long as you're not so stoned that you leave the baby in the bathtub or something (and I have never been that stoned, ever), who cares? That's why people smoke it to relax, during the times when they don't really have to be doing anything.


csb:
Had a case of that the other night. I had been keeping my stash in a bag along with some other smoking implements, but then I realized that I had a newly empty cigar box that would make a perfect humidor. I dropped in the stash next to a small basin of water, sealed up the box and put it back on my shelf, congratulated myself on my cleverness, and then completely forgot. An hour or so later I go back to my desk to pack a bowl and huh, no baggie. Maybe it fell behind the desk. Nope, there either. WTH? shiat, the dog was sniffing it earlier, maybe he climbed up and ate the bag! Frantically run over and check the dog bed, dog looks at me like "what the hell is your problem?", no baggie. Now I'm freaking out because the landlord is coming by the next day to check on the water heater, and though he is a pretty laid back guy, I'd rather not have him find a random baggie somewhere in the apartment. So I sit down for a moment and then it hits me, "hey moron, you put it on your shelf in your new humidor because of how clever you were, remember?"

DarwiOdrade: colon_pow: PacManDreaming: SmellsLikePoo: If I smoke before bed, no dreams (that I remember), but I sleep like a rock.

One of the best things about the stuff. In college, it was the last thing my friends and I did before we went to bed. You wake up the next day feeling refreshed.

the stuff going around these days actually prevents me from sleeping for awhile.

Sativa in the daytime, Indica at night and you should sleep fine


Same thing happens to me, but I really don't put much stock in what the different strains would do; it's like saying oh well whiskey makes me this kind of drunk, but tequilla makes me THIS kind of drunk. It's all alcohol, or in this case, THC. It's always been the case for me that if I smoke anything less than two hours before trying to go to sleep it's going to keep me up because my mind just won't shut down.
 
2012-03-02 02:21:17 PM  
I am a pretty casual smoker myself, my memory retention is very good except when I smoke. I remember things just fine while high, it's just in that moment I get short term memory issues.

The best is to get high before/while playing a game that requires great concentration. Such as Civilization (micro manage) or Starcraft II (remember to build THIS after THAT). With that said, if I get "too" high, Starcraft makes me very sweaty and unsure of my skills for said match so it's a balancing act.
 
2012-03-02 02:24:25 PM  

StrangeQ: I dropped in the stash next to a small basin of water, sealed up the box and put it back on my shelf, congratulated myself on my cleverness, and then completely forgot.


People getting high and hiding their weed, then forgetting where they put it, is supposedly a classic stoner move. I used to have a friend who would find little stashes all the time, but she also drank and she was hiding it from her husband. It was like a game she played with herself.

It used to be, back in the golden age of marijuana (the 70's) that it made you paranoid, plus it was just more illegal than it is now. We always had our pot hidden somewhere, somewhere so clever that no one could ever find it except us, because we were high and had special eyes. Now people are out smoking bowls in public, and I hear you can even get it in stores and stuff. Huh. You kids don't know what it's like to be out of pot, then find a little corner of a baggie somewhere. it was the best feeling on earth. Now get off my lawn.
 
2012-03-02 02:31:16 PM  

Mugato:
You're sugar coating it. Have you actually seen the commercials?

Antidepressant- Some cases of SUICIDE have been reported with this antidepressant medication

Asthma- Asthma related DEATHs have been reported with this asthma medication

That's not even an exaggeration. And the list goes on with every other pill they advertise. Just think if they weren't required by the government to report those things.

I don't smoke weed. I tried it like 5 times in my life, not for me. I do however know a few potheads who are a lot smarter and more productive than I am and side effects of weed do not include DEATH.


To be fair, if you do a clinical trial of pot with 1000 people, and one of them is also on heroin, didn't tell the researcher, and dies from withdrawal, then the commercial for the marijuana has to put possible death from withdrawal in its side-effects list.

The reporting of side-effects is rather brutally overenthusiastic in the case of drug development, is what I'm saying here, that list isn't necessarily things the drug _caused_, it's just the worst things the people in the trial _experienced_ above a certain frequency, which may be coincidence in the case of earlier trials. Its not until you've hit sample sizes of most of a million that you can start taking things off that list, and frankly that's generally not worth it. That's why headaches and nausea are almost always on the list-- people get headaches and nausea as psychosomatic symptoms all the damned time.

//The risk of suicide from depression medication is a real thing, though, there have been studies on that specifically. Probably because it's not like the drug removes the often very logical reasons that you're depressed, just the feeling of complete drained-ness that prevents you from picking up the bottle of sleeping pills.
 
2012-03-02 03:11:37 PM  

some_beer_drinker: previous post is exhibit a. i should really proofread a bit more, or type slower.


or quit smoking pot.

/pro pot
 
2012-03-02 03:20:18 PM  
temporary.
 
2012-03-02 03:23:07 PM  
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Have you ever experienced temporary memory impairment... on weed?
 
2012-03-02 03:46:18 PM  
In my experience traveling the US, I've determined that there are fatties everywhere
 
2012-03-02 04:20:48 PM  
It is beyond ludicrous to point out the extremely minor disruptions in "working", or "short term", memory due to regular cannabis use, while ignoring the fact that MOST prescription pain medication and muscle relaxants have FAR longer lasting and more pronounced negative effects on memory function.

No, cannabis is not "completely safe", nothing is, but it is certainly one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to mankind, nonetheless.

Of course, recreationally speaking, chronic alcohol use is also FAR more damaging to memory function, both short term and long term, than is chronic cannabis use, and caffeine also measurably impairs memory function.

/RE-legalize it
 
2012-03-02 04:22:53 PM  
It impairs my lack of not eating ability.
 
2012-03-02 05:06:50 PM  

pickledick: Well, yeah if you're smoking weed you're taking in not just THC but plant matter, resin, and the other psychoactive chemicals.This article doesn't mention different types of THC, as there is a huge difference between indica and sativa as well as hash vs. weed.

Personally, I smoke mainly indicas and my memory is fine. However, it's much easier to become the stereotypical confused "wait what" stoner who can't remember shiat because of sativas and their more apparent effect on the brain.


The various chemicals found in marijuana other than Tetrahydrocannabinol are called cannabinoids, and are not "different types of THC". The different effects of Sativas/Indicas stem from both THC and other cannibinoids occurring in different ratios, Just a minor clarification :)
 
2012-03-02 05:19:02 PM  
I'm getting high right now, so I'm getting a buzz out of these replies.
 
2012-03-02 05:35:22 PM  

3 G's: It is beyond ludicrous to point out the extremely minor disruptions in "working", or "short term", memory due to regular cannabis use, while ignoring the fact that MOST prescription pain medication and muscle relaxants have FAR longer lasting and more pronounced negative effects on memory function.


You're suggesting that a study on THC should randomly comment on other drugs not involved in the study?

Um... why? This isn't a political advocacy piece, it's the Science farking Daily-- it's a jargon-reduced version of a scientific paper.
 
2012-03-02 05:39:48 PM  

fluffy2097: Amos Quito: How they can keep the demon weed illegal while Pfizer makes Bazillions from a patented pill version.

Pfizer warnings are great.

Warning: This anti depressant can make your depression worse.

Warning: This asthma medicine can trigger a severe asthma attack.

Warning: Do not use this medication.

/These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA and this product is not intended to treat or cure or address any disease. CALL NOW!


My favorite is the one for a skin disorder that "may cause cancer in children and adults". So, it's a farking carcinogen?...What are some others I recall..."May cause lymphoma". "Suppresses the immune system. May lead to tuberculosis". "May cause coma leading to death". "May cause irreversible, permanent muscle spasms".

Yeah short-term memory loss. Users should get the death penalty. :/
 
2012-03-02 05:43:05 PM  
Oh, and a comment on Pfizer/Big Pharma warnings:

My favorite has to be "do not use in regions where certain fungal infections are common."
 
2012-03-02 05:51:12 PM  

fluffy2097: Amos Quito: How they can keep the demon weed illegal while Pfizer makes Bazillions from a patented pill version.

Pfizer warnings are great.

Warning: This anti depressant can make your depression worse.

Warning: This asthma medicine can trigger a severe asthma attack.

Warning: Do not use this medication.

/These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA and this product is not intended to treat or cure or address any disease. CALL NOW!


Side effect lists have to include all reported crap by the testers. All drugs have the very thing they treat as side effects.
 
2012-03-02 06:02:50 PM  

Jim_Callahan: 3 G's: It is beyond ludicrous to point out the extremely minor disruptions in "working", or "short term", memory due to regular cannabis use, while ignoring the fact that MOST prescription pain medication and muscle relaxants have FAR longer lasting and more pronounced negative effects on memory function.

You're suggesting that a study on THC should randomly comment on other drugs not involved in the study?

Um... why? This isn't a political advocacy piece, it's the Science farking Daily-- it's a jargon-reduced version of a scientific paper.


The study? No.

Discussions stemming from it when all the ignorant douches bust it out with a big "GOTCHA!" ?
Absolutely.

And, fyi, when discussing the success of medications, the success of drugs is always compared to alternate drugs. You don't think they test cancer drugs by giving half the meds and the other half a sugar pill do you?

So why treat pot, either recreational or medicinal, as though the alternative is sobriety for the former, and with respect to the latter I see people speak as though all other pain meds are one hundred percent effective and side effect free?

It's bullshiat like that which leads us to still deny any medical value to pot.
 
2012-03-02 07:26:14 PM  
i was trying to write an email one night.

it took me two hours to get through one sentence, because i kept getting distracted. and then instead of hitting send, i exited out of the window, and didnt save the draft.
 
2012-03-02 09:02:29 PM  

mr_bunny: That is what I always hated about Carl Sagan, his inability to complete a rational thought.


No, he always did, if you were patient enough. You weren't patient enough.

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Confabulat: Weed's different in the memory loss department. You don't get it erased, you just get distracted down a little rabbit hole here or a detour there in your skull so you forget where you were going. Completely different.


Yes, that's exactly how I see it, too. Your thought process meanders, until you're so far from your original path you can't figure out how to get back.

What really always drove me nuts, though, was that my imagination would become very expansive, yet I didn't have the ability to act on it. I should have taken more art classes.

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Desmo: don't give me that


Aw, did some burnout piss on your lawn again? There, there.

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PonceAlyosha: As a stoned neuroscientist, I'm going to read this article and then comment.


Wait..

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Odd Bird: [www.cheetos.com image 640x425]


Why you brought only one?

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jeanwearinfool: Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: It impairs my ability to recognize bad movies. For that, I thank it.

I went and saw Tron II in IMAX with a friend and his wife when it came out. Wife and I got baked in the parking lot and after the movie we both came out saying "That was AWESOME!" and my friend was shaking his head saying it sucked. I took my kids to see it a week later and realized just how right he was.

/3D IMAX while high = AWESOME!


For years, I couldn't understand why people hated 'Batman and Robin' so much. My girlfriend and I thought it was corny, but not actually bad. But we'd also each had four fingers of straight gin before the movie. Years later I saw it sober. O the pain.

Then there's 'The Meaning of Life,' which I didn't enjoy much at all the first few times I saw it. Of course, I was pretty messed up all those times. Years later, I finally saw it straight and sober. Very weird. Especially this part.

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serial arseonist: In my experience traveling the US, I've determined that there are fatties everywhere


Aw yeah

ts3.mm.bing.net
 
2012-03-02 09:06:43 PM  
When the "major downside(s) of the medical use of marijuana" include "suicidal thoughts" or "diabetes", I'll quit smoking. Until then, fu)ck the FDA, fu)ck the NIH, fu)ck the DEA, and fu)ck the DHHS and all their "safe" drugs.
 
2012-03-02 11:05:04 PM  

bufford: pickledick: Well, yeah if you're smoking weed you're taking in not just THC but plant matter, resin, and the other psychoactive chemicals.This article doesn't mention different types of THC, as there is a huge difference between indica and sativa as well as hash vs. weed.

Personally, I smoke mainly indicas and my memory is fine. However, it's much easier to become the stereotypical confused "wait what" stoner who can't remember shiat because of sativas and their more apparent effect on the brain.

The various chemicals found in marijuana other than Tetrahydrocannabinol are called cannabinoids, and are not "different types of THC". The different effects of Sativas/Indicas stem from both THC and other cannibinoids occurring in different ratios, Just a minor clarification :)


Don't forget about the terpenes, which are not cannabinoids and can vary based on drying/curing method.
 
2012-03-03 12:54:15 AM  
This medication may be harmful if used regularly/excessively or combined with law enforcement.

My personal opinion is that in moderation there are few problems with marijuana. As mentioned earlier the arguments that it's a cure all or is otherwise magical come from people who have made marijuana a full-time job rather than an occasional recreation. Sadly, the legal implications push the risk associated with occasional recreational use well outside of worthwhile. As a result, most pro-pot sentiment spoken in public comes from people with a "problem" who think everyday use is acceptable. imagine a public health campaign stating that drinking to get bombed every day was a good idea!

///many pot users are addicts, but are stable and high functioning as far as addicts go.
//Legalize it already so the public gets some reasonable information not from the propaganda machine OR from addicts.
/Not a current or recent marijuana user.
 
2012-03-03 03:11:23 AM  

CheekyMonkey: The research isn't flawed, and I'm not really sure why you think pot proponents would challenge it. It's simply trying to explain a very well-known side effect of the drug. Pretty sure any regular user is quite aware of marijuana's temporary detrimental effect on short-term memory


I didn't think that anyone would, was just making what was intended to be a joke
 
2012-03-03 08:18:29 AM  

Desmo: Pot good or bad? Almost anything in moderation is OK. I'm just sick of pot heads defending their addiction. Anecdotal evidence of bright, hard-working, productive pot smokers is tiresome.

I drive by a "medical marijuana dispensary" everyday on my way home from work. Other than making table candles (a-la Cheech & Chong), fingerpainting or playing x-box (bought by mom & dad, or courtesy of welfare) these people produce only waste.

And don't give me that "creativity" shiat, that only accounts for .009% of the general population. Not YOU.


You know what I'm tired of? People meddling in the issues of others. Oh you don't like that I spend all morning watching Half Baked? Too fu)cking bad.
 
2012-03-03 11:16:22 AM  

drwiki: This medication may be harmful if used regularly/excessively or combined with law enforcement.

My personal opinion is that in moderation there are few problems with marijuana. As mentioned earlier the arguments that it's a cure all or is otherwise magical come from people who have made marijuana a full-time job rather than an occasional recreation. Sadly, the legal implications push the risk associated with occasional recreational use well outside of worthwhile. As a result, most pro-pot sentiment spoken in public comes from people with a "problem" who think everyday use is acceptable. imagine a public health campaign stating that drinking to get bombed every day was a good idea!

///many pot users are addicts, but are stable and high functioning as far as addicts go.
//Legalize it already so the public gets some reasonable information not from the propaganda machine OR from addicts.
/Not a current or recent marijuana user.


Do you happen to have any references to back up any of this? Because here's what I found:

"According to the UK medical journal The Lancet, Cannabis has a lower rate of dependence compared to both nicotine and alcohol.[95] However, everyday use of Cannabis can in some cases be correlated with psychological withdrawal symptoms such as irritability and insomnia,[90] and evidence could suggest that if a user experiences stress, the likeliness of getting a panic attack increases because of an increase of THC metabolites.[96][97] However, Cannabis withdrawal symptoms are typically mild and are never life-threatening.[95]"

The reason I went looking for this is that I *have* and sometimes still *do* use pot, both medicinally and recreationally, and have also known many, many people who've used it: the vast majority of people in my age group have. Some of what you refer to is real, but hardly indicative of *typical* users. That is, I've certainly known a few people who struck me as possibly 'addicted' to it, but they were few and far between. So if by 'many' you mean absolute numbers, as compared to, say, all the people in the world that any typical person would know (since "many" is a strictly comparative term), then sure, since there are probably a few billion users worldwide, and even an extremely tiny percentage of them would add up to more people than most people will ever know. But it would be as valid for me to say, "Many white people are Nazis." In absolute numbers, "many" white people *are* Nazis. In fact, there are "many" people fitting almost any criterion you can think of, in that all but the very rarest things add up to very large absolute numbers.

But if by "many" you mean a sizable *proportion" of all cannabis users, then I think you should revisit and reconsider your sources. Perhaps I'm just very naive, but given that nearly everyone I know my age and younger has used it, and only a few of those have ever seemed to me to have a problem with it, it seems very unlikely to me that "many pot users are addicts," unless you adopt an extremely accommodating definition of either "many" or "addicts". Or even "are": A lot of kids are potheads in college, but not before or after; from that, it would be as valid to say that "many drinkers are alcoholics."

And let's not forget also that for just over three quarters of a century now, there's been an entire professional industry that exists only to demonise cannabis, not because it's objectively harmful but because its original ban in 1936 specifically benefitted the U.S. woodpulp paper industry, and more specifically DuPont, who developed that process. DuPont had a very serious problem: they had a process they needed to sell, and few buyers, because legal hemp was a better, easier, and cheaper source of many quality products, including paper. DuPont are the reason we call it "marijuana" in the U.S. -- we're the only country that does -- because this Mexican folk medicine term was obscure to Americans of the time, most importantly the hemp-loving politicians who DuPont was asking to ban the demon weed. If congressmen knew that 'marijuana' was hemp, they would never have voted to ban it -- and several admitted their error later, upon realising it, but by then the horse was out of the barn, and politics, as anyone who's been close to it can tell you, doesn't function according to what most people consider 'common sense': once you've banned something, it's politically very difficult to un-ban it. (Unless you really, really need to: During WW2, hemp farmers were exempted from service, and subsidised to grow the demon weed in its natural un-cool form, because it was a critical and desperately needed material for many wartime needs -- everything from rope to electrical insulation to parachutes.) Because of that, we *still* have a robust professional class of official cannabis demonisers, and it's not at all difficult to dig up any evil thing you want to to believe about pot, from a huge variety of 'official' sources.

The biggest problem is that cannabis isn't magical, isn't a panacea, and *can* be harmful, and *can* be abused. No one has ever died from it (notwithstanding the kinds of serious respiratory illnesses that anyone who smokes anything can expect), but it can still mess you up if you abuse it, or you're one of the rare people who are uncommonly sensitive to it, or react very badly to it. There are such people for just about every substance on earth except water (I happen to be in the very tiny minority who break out from tea tree oil, for example), but that's not any evidence that pot is 'harmful'. And yes, in the same way, there are also some who can and do get addicted to it, just as everything else is available for addiction.

What rational people must do is learn to discern which claims about cannabis are more legitimate than others. If you know as many people who've tried pot as I do, you're going to find it very implausible that "many" users are addicts, because you know "many" users but very few of them are addicts -- again, depending on definitions: It's unquestionable that there are many caffeine addicts, and that they are also "stable and high functioning as far as addicts go." What is the point of saying that, then? Or more to the point, what is *more* relevant about pointing out that a lot of pot users like to use pot, unless you're going to go on to explain how that's objectively different from the fact that a lot of caffeine users like to use caffeine, or that a lot of people like to have a drink or two now and then?

If you've got a point to make, I'd like to hear it first of all based on objective facts, secondly on clearly defined terms, and thirdly on points of relevance.
 
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