steamingpile: If you get past the wall, you will find yourself with more energy everyday. The down side of that is if your SO or others in your life are not on board as well then you will annoy them by getting up earlier after sleeping more soundly.

I already sleep incredibly soundly. Getting up early, OTOH is something I just don't understand.

steamingpile: Then you are doing them wrong, most people look at exercise programs as just weight loss, stop doing that. I got a friend of ours to start coming to the gym with me, he had been up and down on his weight most of his life, his main remedy was just walking, now hes jogging and with the mild lifting program I helped him with he actually put on some muscle. Having strength will help you in a lot of ways, one is more energy, two is muscle burns more calorie intake, three it helps the brain feel better when it has a better perceived image to the world there really isnt much need for more than that in life.

That's not how I see them, and the I do feel an increased energy for a while, but after a couple of months I usually just don't care any more, and whatever changes in energy levels I've experienced have seemed inconsequential compared to not going to the gym, which is hard work and dull as fark.

Gothnet: That's not how I see them, and the I do feel an increased energy for a while, but after a couple of months I usually just don't care any more, and whatever changes in energy levels I've experienced have seemed inconsequential compared to not going to the gym, which is hard work and dull as fark.

I don't think the gym is necessarily for everyone. I loathe running. Some people hate the gym but love running. If you see the gym as a punishment you obviously won't want to go. There are lots of good activities that provide the same benefit as the gym but are enjoyable. Swimming, racquetball, basketball, martial arts. If you like the exercise, you'll actually look forward to going. The point is to do something that gets you off your ass.

Those pictures look odd. I'm not sure if there's a subtle angle in play or they've just been stretched a bit wider or what, but they're really farking with my perception.

HBK: I don't think the gym is necessarily for everyone. I loathe running. Some people hate the gym but love running. If you see the gym as a punishment you obviously won't want to go. There are lots of good activities that provide the same benefit as the gym but are enjoyable. Swimming, racquetball, basketball, martial arts. If you like the exercise, you'll actually look forward to going. The point is to do something that gets you off your ass.

I play squash for 90 minutes once a week, and I walk places, I'm not totally idle :)
But I am overweight and I'm not in any way fit.

Guess I just wanted to say that the gym isn't for everyone, and not everyone gets some magical effect whereby when they start exercising they'll feel great and want to do more, especially if it doesn't seem to help you lose weight. (Yes, I know, you're not supposed to think about it that way, but it does rather remove an incentive to go).

More power to them and all, but that just makes me feel sad. It would be like to never have tasted chocolate before (and that's bad.)

Why would these women be in this article... Really...

Not a prank?

Gothnet: I play squash for 90 minutes once a week, and I walk places, I'm not totally idle :)
But I am overweight and I'm not in any way fit.

Guess I just wanted to say that the gym isn't for everyone, and not everyone gets some magical effect whereby when they start exercising they'll feel great and want to do more, especially if it doesn't seem to help you lose weight. (Yes, I know, you're not supposed to think about it that way, but it does rather remove an incentive to go).

Yeah, the gym can be a hassle. When I used to go frequently, I'd change at work and go straight there. If I went home first, the inertia would be too much. Since I changed careers my hours are messed up and its hard to find time to work, go to the gym, and spend time with the family.

I have some friends who do P90x and have had good results. I recently started doing Insanity at home with the wife. I think it helps to have an accountabila-buddy.

Looks like a win/win situation to me...

HBK:Yep, he was extremely possessive. I think it was also a control issue. She was very, very immature for her age and still lived with her folks. Since he was the only man who ever loved her, was her first sex, and since she was way below him in looks, he wouldn't have to worry about her leaving him and she would put up with his weirdness.

Heh I know all about the weirdness factor. I can't count how many times I've been told I was a dick when I really didn't understand how I was being a dick nor could it be explained, just plain socially awkward, etc (usual relationship life was about 2-3 months). I didn't find someone until I just decided to say fark it and live a simple single life but by chance I met someone that I meshed with perfectly a little while down the road and we've be going for 2 years now.

morgantx:It's not just a competition issue, but an issue of what is expected in a relationship. When you're the higher-value partner, you are the one who sets the rules in the relationship. Maybe it has to do with physical attractiveness, or in the case or a slut with a booty call or an FWB, whoever's easiest is often the standard-setter. But whatever the case, it boils down to the fact that the higher-value partner could replace the lower-value partner easily, so the higher-value partner is the one who is in a position of power.

I can agree with that although the low value partner can destroy the high value partners self esteem to make them feel like no one else would ever want them. (Using my fiancee as an example) She wanted to be with this man because he was the only person that she truly loved but every time they'd get back together he would cheat on her with heavy set women. It destroyed her self image and she is 5'2", 85lbs. For 6 years she went through this until she met me and left him. He was distraught afterwards and finally apologized to her for all of the pain he had caused since he finally realized the pain that he was putting her through not to mention losing her for good since she feels amazing about her looks and confidence now :)

I can see how it could work. In the beginning, sex is fun, but similar ecstasy can by achieved with an orgasm via vibrator (or in my case) a shower head.

Since these women have nothing to compare it with, they have no idea how sex between two experienced partners can be so much more exciting when you're comfortable enough to explore different positions, sensations and erogenous zones.

So to them, sex just means a plain orgasm with a man attached.

Cripes, those are some unfortunate looking women. And I love fat women, so that's not what's bothering me about these birds. They're are all butterfaces. Ugh.

libranoelrose: suicidebooth: Cripes, those are some unfortunate looking women. And I love fat women, so that's not what's bothering me about these birds. They're are all butterfaces. Ugh.

I don't think you can call these women birds.

I was just saying that because they're British. But yeah, you have a point.

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morgantx: Look, male or female, you CAN get laid. But seriously, if you're a 2, you can probably only expect to get laid by another 2. Maybe a 3, maybe a 1, if you feel like slumming it. Maybe even a 4 if they lost a bet or are excruciatingly drunk. (If you're a 2 and you're taking home a 4, keep a bucket next to the bed for when they start puking.)

And incidentally, there are things that can boost your rating or decrease your rating:
+1-2: Confidence
-1-4: Bad attitude
+1: Sense of humor/fun personality
-1-6: Crazy
+1-2: The right clothes
+1-3: Alcohol or drugs (depending on the quality)
+1-3: Being a good lay/a slut (girls only)




I gotta say, the confidence one really is true. And I still think it shouldn't be, because I tend to look at the more "real" aspects of attractiveness (fitness, money, height, etc) and get myself down on that. But having confidence and an almost "I don't care" attitude really does make one more hittable. I was single for most of my life (shy, short, glasses) and managed to score a very hot girl and dated her for 4.5 years. She was a sheltered good girl, and I think I just got her because she was naive and actually liked my whole awkward nice guy image. We were very "cute" together. The kid of cute where we're in our twenties and we're still playing board games and watching Disney movies together 3 years into our relationship, and enjoying each other's company. Well as luck would have it, she wised up later on in college and ended up cheating on me with a bro. Whatever confidence I built with her was destroyed instantly. Didn't date for a year and half, and then deployed for a year. So 2 and a half years with nothing. And I mean nothing. Not even a kiss.

I got back from my deployment in December, and played the whole "back from the war card" (I am not usually a supporter of soldier-bragging, but for female-action, it's permissible). Low and behold, it worked. With a pretty hot chick at that. at least 3 maybe 4 points ahead of me. (I'd call myself a 4-5. I'm 5'7" in better shape than I was before, but definitely not the kind of guy girls like looking at with my shirt off).

The cool thing about confidence, is that it snowballs. I had something to build on. "I can do this, because I have". That's something my concrete mind likes. Real events that show something is possible. I've had 3 more different chicks in the past 2 months, all at least high 7s, and one 9 (to me at least). If you would have showed me pictures of them after I got dumped and asked me "will you ever bang these girls". I would have bet you $1000 the answer would be no.

I still get waves of self-doubt, a lot. Call me a douche for just trying to hook up, but it's helping me rebuild myself. Something vodka couldn't do. I tried.

\boring story bro and all that
\\but seriously, confidence. wtf.

HawgWild: FTFA: 'My friends tell me making love is over-rated anyway. They say my toffee brioche pudding is better than sex!'

This explains ... everything.

"I hope you guys like pudding from water, baking soda, and flour- because I ate the rest of the ingredients."

Gothnet:
Half an hour per day, including getting to and from the gym, getting changed at each end etc, you're looking at a two hour per day commitment there. Holding down a job as well, the last thing I want is two hours a day of extra 'work' when I'm already tired.

Um, you don't have to go to a gym to do some exercise.

You'll also save a fortune on gym membership, fashionable gym clothes, etc., if you don't go there.

Errk: A lot of cankles there....

You were one the first, and that was exactly my thoughts....

"Where does the calf fat end and the ankle fat begin? I dunno; that's the fun!"

It gets a bit better with the second sister (if only she'd... not smile. Or not smile crooked, at least). From there, it's all downhill.

FTA - Samantha Babooram


Really?

Ba-Ba-Ba Ba-Ba-boo-ram
Ba-Ba-Ba Ba-Ba-boo-ram
Ba-boo-raaaam, taaaake my haaand

Chipmonk face? Check
Fat? check
Clothes from the 40s/50s? check

gaspode: Fish in a barrel.

Perfect description of shape and odour.

Am I the only one surprised some of their hymens haven't simply dried up and fallen out?

/ dems some old skanky ladies
// not a scientist or doctor

She's pretty cute. If she were slender, I dare say she'd be hot.

/I dig Indian chicks

"Just because you've never had sex doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't!"

"Actually, I'm quite proud of my virginity, it's something I've always treasured!"

/quotes may not be exact

Ah, yes, the Daily Fail - making us Americans feel better about the quality of our own journalism for......well, for a long Goddamn time.

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Also, if you don't think sex is great, you're doing it wrong. Given I didn't think it was great until I actually had an orgasm, so I can understand these women might not know what they're missing out on.

This has nothing to do with anything, but I just do not understand the way women's minds work. I had my first orgasm at 14, loooong before sex. By the end of the next day, I had racked up 4 more. By the time I actually had sex with a real live woman, I probably had more than 2000 orgasms.

Not saying there's anything wrong with you. Lots of women have been in the same situation or so I've heard. I just don't know how anyone can go into sex not even knowing how the equipment is supposed to work. This must be why women are generally not as interested in sex as men are (and don't try to tell me they are)

taurusowner: morgantx: Look, male or female, you CAN get laid. But seriously, if you're a 2, you can probably only expect to get laid by another 2. Maybe a 3, maybe a 1, if you feel like slumming it. Maybe even a 4 if they lost a bet or are excruciatingly drunk. (If you're a 2 and you're taking home a 4, keep a bucket next to the bed for when they start puking.)

And incidentally, there are things that can boost your rating or decrease your rating:
+1-2: Confidence
-1-4: Bad attitude
+1: Sense of humor/fun personality
-1-6: Crazy
+1-2: The right clothes
+1-3: Alcohol or drugs (depending on the quality)
+1-3: Being a good lay/a slut (girls only)

I gotta say, the confidence one really is true. And I still think it shouldn't be, because I tend to look at the more "real" aspects of attractiveness (fitness, money, height, etc) and get myself down on that. But having confidence and an almost "I don't care" attitude really does make one more hittable. I was single for most of my life (shy, short, glasses) and managed to score a very hot girl and dated her for 4.5 years. She was a sheltered good girl, and I think I just got her because she was naive and actually liked my whole awkward nice guy image. We were very "cute" together. The kid of cute where we're in our twenties and we're still playing board games and watching Disney movies together 3 years into our relationship, and enjoying each other's company. Well as luck would have it, she wised up later on in college and ended up cheating on me with a bro. Whatever confidence I built with her was destroyed instantly. Didn't date for a year and half, and then deployed for a year. So 2 and a half years with nothing. And I mean nothing. Not even a kiss.

I got back from my deployment in December, and played the whole "back from the war card" (I am not usually a supporter of soldier-bragging, but for female-action, it's permissible). Low and behold, it worked. With a pretty hot chick at that. at least 3 maybe 4 points ahead of me. (I'd ...

You arent a douche, you are male. Welcome to the party.

HBK: slc11082: Yeah, I wanna make jokes but i'm one as well.
I don't have the social skills or looks either. So I guess you guys would all make fun of me as well? Sad thing is even the girls in the article would reject me.
I bet people think i'm Gay, if only that were my problem. It's not.

Damn dude. You always post in here. Have you thought about hiring a pro? Once you pop that cherry you'll figure out that sex isn't that big of a deal and stop putting the pussy on the pedestal. When you try too hard to get sex, you don't get any. When you stop trying so hard, sex comes to you.

/ don't tell prospective sex partners that you're a virgin.
// don't be nice to women you want to have sex with if they aren't putting out, otherwise they'll walk all over you.

So your recommendation, then, is to lie (by omission) about one's experience, and disappoint the partner who wasn't expecting something as bad as a 16 year old floundering in the back of an el camino? Or is it instead, pick someone to get it done, and accept the embarrassment of that first encounter and don't bother speaking to them again?

Full disclosure seems the least one can do. Not necessarily as your first sentence on the first date, but probably mention it at some point, when things are getting heavy.

Niveras:
So your recommendation, then, is to lie (by omission) about one's experience, and disappoint the partner who wasn't expecting something as bad as a 16 year old floundering in the back of an el camino? Or is it instead, pick someone to get it done, and accept the embarrassment of that first encounter and don't bother speaking to them again?

Full disclosure seems the least one can do. Not necessarily as your first sentence on the first date, but probably mention it at some point, when things are getting heavy.

Plenty of people are clueless in the sack despite having plenty of experience.

Niveras: So your recommendation, then, is to lie (by omission) about one's experience, and disappoint the partner who wasn't expecting something as bad as a 16 year old floundering in the back of an el camino? Or is it instead, pick someone to get it done, and accept the embarrassment of that first encounter and don't bother speaking to them again?

Full disclosure seems the least one can do. Not necessarily as your first sentence on the first date, but probably mention it at some point, when things are getting heavy.

Lie by omission only applies where one has a duty to disclose. Why don't you tell her you jacked off to a sears catalog when you were 15 too? It's none of her business. If you absolutely feel the need to disclose something, I guess you can say that you're not very experienced, but that would probably lead to an outright lie when she asks for clarification. You can always come clean afterwards. Here's the thing though- after a certain age (like 18-20), telling people you're a virgin will freak people out and make them think twice about having sex. I know I probably wouldn't have had sex with a 25 year old virgin. Too much hassle, too much potential for a clinger, and probably really lousy sex.

If, on the other hand, the virgin waits until afterwards, the sex partner just thinks they're a lousy lay and the deed is done.

citoriman: Ugly-ass brown shoes are all the rage with virgins, apparently.

Johnny agrees:

Fugly is not a new breed. And that first one with the "I farted" face, blech.

teeny: So to them, sex just means a plain orgasm with a man attached.

I don't even think it is that, I think it is rationalization. They've had trouble getting a partner for whatever reason or combination of reasons. Maybe their standards are unrealistically high, maybe they are crazy (though in my experience that does stop people), maybe they are massive biatches, maybe they are really shy, who knows? Point is they haven't gotten laid, and they feel bad about it. Well, instead of trying to do something about it they instead decide to flip it around and make it a badge of pride. Not "I haven't gotten laid because I can't," but "I haven't gotten laid because I don't want to." Now they feel it is their decision, they are in control.

I've seen this sort of things related to sex on the male side, and related to other things. People decide that the reason they aren't doing X isn't because they have a problem doing it, but because they don't WANT to... even though they really do deep down.

starsrift: Those pictures look odd. I'm not sure if there's a subtle angle in play or they've just been stretched a bit wider or what, but they're really farking with my perception.

They're all wearing what are termed "nude" heels, generally alleged to make one's legs look longer by visually disguising where the leg ends. (Obviously, it doesn't work.) That combined with the angles looking slightly "off" makes me suspect that these women are shorter and thicker than the camera is trying to make them appear. Camera angles can take off mass instead of putting it on, but the results always look strange without photoshop.

"They say my toffee brioche pudding is better than sex!'

They're doing it wrong

Abstinence is not hereditary, so "breed" is a bit misleading of a term.

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She's pretty cute. If she were slender, I dare say she'd be hot.

/I dig Indian chicks

I've seen more than one of you mention this... woman... is attractive. You guys. The "sharp knees" crowd and all, think THIS is attractive? Jeebus. I'm all about thick chicks and girl next door types, but dayum... girl is fugly, and that's before you account for the crazy almost cross-eyes and that maw. Yech.

I think it's cute how they are acting like still being virgins is all their idea.

HBK: slc11082: Yeah, I wanna make jokes but i'm one as well.
I don't have the social skills or looks either. So I guess you guys would all make fun of me as well? Sad thing is even the girls in the article would reject me.
I bet people think i'm Gay, if only that were my problem. It's not.

Damn dude. You always post in here. Have you thought about hiring a pro? Once you pop that cherry you'll figure out that sex isn't that big of a deal and stop putting the pussy on the pedestal. When you try too hard to get sex, you don't get any. When you stop trying so hard, sex comes to you.

/ don't tell prospective sex partners that you're a virgin.
// don't be nice to women you want to have sex with if they aren't putting out, otherwise they'll walk all over you.

yeah that doesn't work either. i really think that the main reason i'm still a virgin at 32 is precisely because i don't ever try. i don't go out of my way to flirt with women, i don't make an effort to go places and meet people, i don't bother sending women emails on dating sites. and you know what? it turns out that if you don't make an effort, women think you aren't interested, so they ignore you. i always try to act casual and normal when i meet women, cause people tell me that women like it when men don't act interested cause it makes them "mysterious" or something. well, apparently that works for everyone but me. i might as well be invisible.