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(Talking Points Memo)   Republican indicted for voter fraud for trying to register his dog as Democrat...to demonstrate how easy it is to commit voter fraud   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 62
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2012-03-01 03:28:27 PM  
3 votes:
Because cats would vote Republican. They're assholes like that.
2012-03-02 12:12:55 AM  
2 votes:
Just to recap:

Republican commits voter registration fraud and gets caught, thereby providing proof that, despite all evidence to the contrary, voter fraud is a huge problem and we need to immediately enact legislation to disenfranchise low-income voters in order to minimize this huge, yet somehow non-existent problem.

And I get called "pants-on-head retarded" because I disagree.

OK, sure, whatever.
2012-03-01 06:47:28 PM  
2 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: Because cats would vote Republican. They're assholes like that.


No way! Cats would vote RON PAUL... I mean Libertarian. Lemmings, lemmings are what comes to mind with the GOP.
2012-03-01 06:44:25 PM  
2 votes:
Republicans have been using dog whistles to get votes, this is just the next logical step.
2012-03-01 04:43:01 PM  
2 votes:
"I mean, it's so easy to commit bank robbery. I had this gun, it wasn't even loaded, but the teller just handed me a bunch of cash. I think it speaks to the failure of law enforcement to have stopped me, anybody could have just walked into any bank and...you hear something? Anyway, it's Obama's fault."
2012-03-01 03:51:40 PM  
2 votes:
F*ck, this country is virtually under attack by Republican stupidity.
2012-03-01 03:22:30 PM  
2 votes:
You mean voter REGISTRATION fraud. I'm thinking the dog won't get to actually cast a ballot.
2012-03-02 01:10:40 AM  
1 votes:

Leo Bloom's Freakout: ecmoRandomNumbers: Because cats would vote Republican. They're assholes like that.

No way! Cats would vote RON PAUL... I mean Libertarian. Lemmings, lemmings are what comes to mind with the GOP.


That might actually work.

Cats don't need roads, or schools or police or courts. If they have a property problem they just go pee on it. That's true Libertarianism.
2012-03-02 12:02:56 AM  
1 votes:

eudemonist: DarwiOdrade: Just because most of the examples of voter (registration) fraud are Republicans, doesn't mean there are enough examples to affect an actual election.

"Votes don't matter" is the most pants-on-head retarded justification for gaping holes in our democratic system I have perhaps ever heard. Were you alive in 2000?


If you have proof that voter fraud affected the 2000 election, and you didn't come forward, then I'd say you're the problem.

eudemonist: DarwiOdrade: From what I can tell, all the examples of voter (registration) fraud are simply butthurt Republicans trying to prove that kind of fraud is much more common than it actually is.

What do you want? Do you want to wait until we uncover massive voter fraud in a recent presidential election? Is that a good idea?

Let's play pretend...Candidate X gets voted in by a narrow margin in 2020 and is inaugurated. Three months later, anon hacks some emails, finally revealing the systematic fraud we're so faithful would never happen. Can imagine the farking shiat that would hit the fan? Lawsuits, market shakes, legislative gridlock, staging a whole new election....yeah, let's wait 'til that shiat happens. Brilliant.


In my country we believe in "innocent until proven guilty". Wasting money on a problem that doesn't exist is far more "pants-on-head-retarded".

But by all means keep farking your imaginary chicken.
2012-03-02 12:02:32 AM  
1 votes:

eudemonist: It's unsurprising that we catch so little voter fraud, with so few safeguards in place. I don't imagine people truly intent on gaming the system would appear on television to brag about it.


You're confusing "safeguard" with "detection after the fact."

If voter fraud did happen on a large scale, you can compare the list of people who voted to the list of people who should legally be allowed to vote, then check for errors, false signatures, double voting, etc.

It's like claiming that we have a systemic problem of thousands of people blowing up shopping malls every day with truck bombs, but the only reason we don't have any evidence of this happening is because most shopping malls don't have any safeguards to prevent a truck bomb from happening.

Just because a crime could theoretically occur does not mean that a lot of people are willing to go through with it, especially at the risk of getting caught.
2012-03-01 11:58:33 PM  
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Unless you offer the ID's for free. But for some reason Republicans are against that too.


Allowing student IDs would also be a step in the right direction, since if a student is spending tens of thousands of dollars to get a college degree under an assumed name, then you have a much deeper problem to worry about.

For some reason, republicans refuse to allow college IDs as valid.
2012-03-01 11:34:08 PM  
1 votes:

eudemonist: Dusk-You-n-Me: You can't cite a single instance of "massive voter fraud" let alone an instance affecting any election. It does not happen. End of story.

It's unsurprising that we catch so little voter fraud, with so few safeguards in place. I don't imagine people truly intent on gaming the system would appear on television to brag about it.

By your logic, there's no reason to worry about voting machine hacks, as they have never actually changed any elections.


Ah yes the ole' "there's no doucumented proof that voter fraud is wide-spread but I have a feeling it is (especially when a Democrat wins)" card".
2012-03-01 11:10:55 PM  
1 votes:

eudemonist: They are not mutually exclusive.


eudemonist: "Oh, don't worry. We're monitoring traffic in and out. Very few people have downloaded the plaintext credit card strings."


You're all over the place. You can't cite a single instance of "massive voter fraud" let alone an instance affecting any election. It does not happen. End of story.
2012-03-01 10:06:20 PM  
1 votes:

eudemonist: There is no reason not to have free and secure elections. None.


They already are free and secure. Voter ID laws are a solution in search of a problem.
2012-03-01 09:17:27 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah yeah yeah, we need to require an ID to keep people from committing voter fraud. I would find this argument more compelling if republicans all of a sudden did start balking and backtracking when I suggest the state provide a photo ID for just such a purpose. Then all of a sudden it's too burdensome. My ass, this push is NOTHING more than the republican party getting freaked the fark out by all the new voters that started voting in 08' because of their turd Dubya. If it had ONLY to do with voter fraud then they also wouldn't be so eager to get rid of that pesky early voting as well.

I'm starting to think all that noise over totalitarian communist was just a whole lot of projection.

Hypnozombie
2012-03-01 08:03:27 PM  
1 votes:
Whatever you do, do not read the comment section on kob.com.

Even with the people's actual names next to their comments, they still make Fark sound like MENSA.

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2012-03-01 08:02:22 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: LordJiro: tenpoundsofcheese: The Onanist: You mean voter REGISTRATION fraud. I'm thinking the dog won't get to actually cast a ballot.

Oh look, you are missing the point.

If it is that easy to register a dog, it is just as easy to register yourself under 10 different names.

And vote under each one of those names since it is racist to ask someone for ID if they are voting.

And I'm sure you have evidence of this happening in significant numbers, right? It'd be awfully stupid if you didn't, because then you'd be trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist, while ignoring the problems of corrupt people COUNTING the votes.

You are an idiot.
Oh look, some one is point out a problem...immediately accuse them of ignoring other problems.

Okay, I'll play your game.... how can you care about COUNTING the votes and ignore the problem of people DYING of cancer every day!!


What the fark are you on?

You're whining about 'fraud' that could theoretically influence elections, while ignoring fraud that HAS influenced elections. Where the fark does cancer come in?

And you still didn't answer how voter registration fraud is more concern-worthy than actual election fraud. Fix the actual problems in the system before working on the theoretical ones.
2012-03-01 07:47:51 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: The Onanist: You mean voter REGISTRATION fraud. I'm thinking the dog won't get to actually cast a ballot.

Oh look, you are missing the point.

If it is that easy to register a dog, it is just as easy to register yourself under 10 different names.

And vote under each one of those names since it is racist to ask someone for ID if they are voting.


And I'm sure you have evidence of this happening in significant numbers, right? It'd be awfully stupid if you didn't, because then you'd be trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist, while ignoring the problems of corrupt people COUNTING the votes.
2012-03-01 07:45:48 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: The Onanist: You mean voter REGISTRATION fraud. I'm thinking the dog won't get to actually cast a ballot.

Oh look, you are missing the point.

If it is that easy to register a dog, it is just as easy to register yourself under 10 different names.

And vote under each one of those names since it is racist to ask someone for ID if they are voting.


You do know the difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud do you?
2012-03-01 07:43:11 PM  
1 votes:

eudemonist: Umm, where in the article does it say he was arrested or indicted?



NewportBarGuy: Being obsessed with voter fraud is like worrying about when the Decepticons will attack us!

Certainly. Plainly politics has nothing to do with money or power...no reason anybody would ever attempt anything illicit.


They would, and do, all the time. But it's not the VOTERS who are the problem. It's the people who count the votes.

For any significant voter fraud (that is, voter fraud that has any sort of effect on an election) to occur, there would have to be significant organization and planning. You'd have to convince quite a few people to participate; even 100 people aren't going to be able to vote enough times to affect the outcome. And the more people involved, the easier it'd be to catch.

Whereas with election fraud, you only need one toady farkwit tampering with the votes to swing an election.
2012-03-01 07:28:28 PM  
1 votes:
This is why we kill people to send the message that killing people is wrong.
2012-03-01 07:20:20 PM  
1 votes:

thomps: so where i live, you don't have to show any id to vote. if i successfully registered my dog to vote with the intent of voting under my dog's name, isn't the registration really the only layer of verification that exists to stop voter fraud?


"Don't have to show any id" is a bit of a misleading statement. Usually you have to replicate your signature. Replicating your signature *is* a form of ID...that's why you have signature cards at banks.
2012-03-01 07:17:06 PM  
1 votes:
And then he'll beg to get off even though it is the exact thing he was trying to show he was for.
2012-03-01 06:51:57 PM  
1 votes:

martissimo: Yeah, the guy is a moron for sure, but if you can register your dog to vote that is a problem, he got caught because he tried to make a point, but dogs should not be getting voter ID cards


Seems to me, from what I can tell, that the system in NM works as this:

You can register and if you register you need some form of ID.

If you do *not* have that ID with you at the time of registration, your ballot will be marked as "provisional" pending actual ID verfification

If that verification is not successful, ballot is tossed.

The system seems a bit less than totally straightforward, but it does seem to be mostly reasonable as well.
2012-03-01 06:34:37 PM  
1 votes:
No wonder he was caught... He should have tried to register a *cat* as a Democrat.

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2012-03-01 06:12:46 PM  
1 votes:

Raoul Eaton: So who do they arrest, the guy or his dog?


Both. Get to share a cell. Dog doesn't get walks to go poop.

That'll learn'em.
2012-03-01 06:03:18 PM  
1 votes:
"They should verify. Somebody should have verified this information and somebody should have come out and took a look at exactly who it was," the unidentified man told the news station.

So he wants the government to send someone to the homes of everyone that registers to vote?

I bet he'll tell you he's for small government with a straight face.
2012-03-01 05:35:32 PM  
1 votes:

thomps: brigid_fitch: thomps: and there is no system for checking people's identity at the poll (aside from signing your name without proof)

When I sign my name, my signature from when I originally registered is in the book & the volunteers compare them.

ok but if you signed your name as "buddy the dog" both times, they will match, right?


Dogs don't have thumbs. How could they hold the pen?
2012-03-01 05:32:01 PM  
1 votes:

thomps: and there is no system for checking people's identity at the poll (aside from signing your name without proof)


When I sign my name, my signature from when I originally registered is in the book & the volunteers compare them.
2012-03-01 05:25:57 PM  
1 votes:

thomps: that's my point though - if you don't need identification to vote, the only time to stop fraud is at registration. clearly that's not happening, at least in the state where this dude and his dog live.


Well, this idle speculation is fine and all, but let's go to the tape...

Article states the guy is from New Mexico. Looking at NM requirements (new window), in 2005 they started requiring photo ID at the time of voting. This was relaxed in 2008. So no ID is required at time of voting, provided you are registered.

However, referring to the NM secretary of state's voter registration FAQ (new window), Photo ID, or one of several other forms of valid identification (up to, and including, a sworn affidavit without proof) is a requirement at the time of registration.

I hope this injection of facts is helpful.
2012-03-01 05:23:52 PM  
1 votes:

Lando Lincoln: thomps: Lando Lincoln: SilentStrider: The Onanist: You mean voter REGISTRATION fraud. I'm thinking the dog won't get to actually cast a ballot.

No, but the guy could cast a ballot in the dog's name, which would, in fact, be voter fraud.

This would probably only be possible if you lived in a state that did not require ID to register to vote AND did not require ID to vote.

apparently in new mexico, all you have to do to identify yourself at the ballot is to state your name, address, and year of birth...

Two separate places.

1) Place where you register to vote
2) Place where you vote

I don't think that there's any states out there that require no ID in either place.


right, my point is, though, if there is only one place where identification is required, and that place sucks dicks at properly identifying fraud, then that state has a high potential for fraud, right? just becuase this guy is a moron doesn't mean the state's voter registration verification isn't suspect.
2012-03-01 05:21:43 PM  
1 votes:

thomps: Lando Lincoln: SilentStrider: The Onanist: You mean voter REGISTRATION fraud. I'm thinking the dog won't get to actually cast a ballot.

No, but the guy could cast a ballot in the dog's name, which would, in fact, be voter fraud.

This would probably only be possible if you lived in a state that did not require ID to register to vote AND did not require ID to vote.

apparently in new mexico, all you have to do to identify yourself at the ballot is to state your name, address, and year of birth...


Two separate places.

1) Place where you register to vote
2) Place where you vote

I don't think that there's any states out there that require no ID in either place.
2012-03-01 05:14:36 PM  
1 votes:

brigid_fitch: The reason it was caught was because nobody could produce ID for the person on the form, in this case, the doofus' dog.


the reason it was caught is because the doofus went on the news and bragged about committing registration fraud. from my quick read of tfa, there's no indication that they would have detected the fraud otherwise.
2012-03-01 05:13:33 PM  
1 votes:

Lando Lincoln: SilentStrider: The Onanist: You mean voter REGISTRATION fraud. I'm thinking the dog won't get to actually cast a ballot.

No, but the guy could cast a ballot in the dog's name, which would, in fact, be voter fraud.

This would probably only be possible if you lived in a state that did not require ID to register to vote AND did not require ID to vote.


apparently in new mexico, all you have to do to identify yourself at the ballot is to state your name, address, and year of birth...
2012-03-01 05:11:52 PM  
1 votes:

thomps: brigid_fitch: thomps: brigid_fitch: thomps: so where i live, you don't have to show any id to vote. if i successfully registered my dog to vote with the intent of voting under my dog's name, isn't the registration really the only layer of verification that exists to stop voter fraud?

Your state doesn't require ANY proof of who you are & that you live where you say you do when you register? Not even a utility bill?

I don't have to show ID to vote, either, but I did when I first registered. (NJ will accept everything from a driver's license to a rent receipt as proof when you register).

i don't think so. last time i voted i walked up to the registration table, told the guy my name, and was handed a ballot and an "i voted today" sticker. obviously i could be misremembering, though.

Sounds like your state doesn't require ID when you vote, but you most likely needed something when you first registered. You probably registered a while ago & just don't remember what you presented. I *think* I used my driver's license (since it's always in my purse, anyway), but it was 12 years ago. Now I just walk in, give them my name, sign the book, and vote.

that's my point though - if you don't need identification to vote, the only time to stop fraud is at registration. clearly that's not happening, at least in the state where this dude and his dog live.


And we're right back to the Boobies in the thread. This is not voter fraud. Voter fraud is when someone who shouldn't be able to vote ACTUALLY VOTES. This was voter REGISTRATION fraud, in that someone knowingly submitted a fraudulent REGISTRATION form.

The reason it was caught was because nobody could produce ID for the person on the form, in this case, the doofus' dog.

See the difference?
2012-03-01 05:11:27 PM  
1 votes:

SilentStrider: The Onanist: You mean voter REGISTRATION fraud. I'm thinking the dog won't get to actually cast a ballot.

No, but the guy could cast a ballot in the dog's name, which would, in fact, be voter fraud.


This would probably only be possible if you lived in a state that did not require ID to register to vote AND did not require ID to vote.
2012-03-01 05:09:22 PM  
1 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: thomps: dogs can't blog.

Yes, this is dog blog.


I preferred when we would lob law bombs on Bob Loblaw's Law Blog.
2012-03-01 05:08:37 PM  
1 votes:
SEE? As soon as you allow the gays to marry, the dogs get to vote. THIS OBAMAS AMERICA
2012-03-01 05:00:19 PM  
1 votes:

thomps: that's my point though - if you don't need identification to vote, the only time to stop fraud is at registration. clearly that's not happening, at least in the state where this dude and his dog live.


You don't know much about dogs, it seems. Dogs will vote for anyone that is anti-cat, or anyone that uses the special dog-whistle that indicates they are anti-cat. This is a well-accepted practice.

But can you really blame them? All cats do is lie around all day on their fat asses, licking their big lips after getting another handout from "master". And don't get me started with those calico cats... they're just trouble. You can tell they are just eye-balling you, waiting for the dog to move from master's bed so they can weasel their way in.

So, if you don't want your wife to be accosted in her bed by some colored animal, you'll vote dog.
2012-03-01 04:58:13 PM  
1 votes:

The Onanist: You mean voter REGISTRATION fraud. I'm thinking the dog won't get to actually cast a ballot.


No, but the guy could cast a ballot in the dog's name, which would, in fact, be voter fraud.
2012-03-01 04:44:29 PM  
1 votes:

brigid_fitch: thomps: brigid_fitch: thomps: so where i live, you don't have to show any id to vote. if i successfully registered my dog to vote with the intent of voting under my dog's name, isn't the registration really the only layer of verification that exists to stop voter fraud?

Your state doesn't require ANY proof of who you are & that you live where you say you do when you register? Not even a utility bill?

I don't have to show ID to vote, either, but I did when I first registered. (NJ will accept everything from a driver's license to a rent receipt as proof when you register).

i don't think so. last time i voted i walked up to the registration table, told the guy my name, and was handed a ballot and an "i voted today" sticker. obviously i could be misremembering, though.

Sounds like your state doesn't require ID when you vote, but you most likely needed something when you first registered. You probably registered a while ago & just don't remember what you presented. I *think* I used my driver's license (since it's always in my purse, anyway), but it was 12 years ago. Now I just walk in, give them my name, sign the book, and vote.


that's my point though - if you don't need identification to vote, the only time to stop fraud is at registration. clearly that's not happening, at least in the state where this dude and his dog live.
2012-03-01 04:39:46 PM  
1 votes:

thomps: brigid_fitch: thomps: so where i live, you don't have to show any id to vote. if i successfully registered my dog to vote with the intent of voting under my dog's name, isn't the registration really the only layer of verification that exists to stop voter fraud?

Your state doesn't require ANY proof of who you are & that you live where you say you do when you register? Not even a utility bill?

I don't have to show ID to vote, either, but I did when I first registered. (NJ will accept everything from a driver's license to a rent receipt as proof when you register).

i don't think so. last time i voted i walked up to the registration table, told the guy my name, and was handed a ballot and an "i voted today" sticker. obviously i could be misremembering, though.


Sounds like your state doesn't require ID when you vote, but you most likely needed something when you first registered. You probably registered a while ago & just don't remember what you presented. I *think* I used my driver's license (since it's always in my purse, anyway), but it was 12 years ago. Now I just walk in, give them my name, sign the book, and vote.
2012-03-01 04:30:57 PM  
1 votes:

brigid_fitch: thomps: so where i live, you don't have to show any id to vote. if i successfully registered my dog to vote with the intent of voting under my dog's name, isn't the registration really the only layer of verification that exists to stop voter fraud?

Your state doesn't require ANY proof of who you are & that you live where you say you do when you register? Not even a utility bill?

I don't have to show ID to vote, either, but I did when I first registered. (NJ will accept everything from a driver's license to a rent receipt as proof when you register).


i don't think so. last time i voted i walked up to the registration table, told the guy my name, and was handed a ballot and an "i voted today" sticker. obviously i could be misremembering, though.
2012-03-01 04:27:49 PM  
1 votes:

thomps: so where i live, you don't have to show any id to vote. if i successfully registered my dog to vote with the intent of voting under my dog's name, isn't the registration really the only layer of verification that exists to stop voter fraud?


Your state doesn't require ANY proof of who you are & that you live where you say you do when you register? Not even a utility bill?

I don't have to show ID to vote, either, but I did when I first registered. (NJ will accept everything from a driver's license to a rent receipt as proof when you register).
2012-03-01 04:25:40 PM  
1 votes:
Rub the guy's nose in it.
2012-03-01 04:22:56 PM  
1 votes:

thomps: dogs can't blog.


Yes, this is dog blog.
2012-03-01 04:19:57 PM  
1 votes:

Peter von Nostrand: thomps: so where i live, you don't have to show any id to vote. if i successfully registered my dog to vote with the intent of voting under my dog's name, isn't the registration really the only layer of verification that exists to stop voter fraud?

Do you really need to pull a stupid stunt and break the law to demonstrate it if it's true?


i'm not saying the guy wasn't a moron, i'm just saying that in most cases making the distinction between voter registration fraud and voter fraud isn't relevant if registration is the only step of the process where potential fraud can be detected and prevented.
2012-03-01 04:19:29 PM  
1 votes:

The Onanist: You mean voter REGISTRATION fraud. I'm thinking the dog won't get to actually cast a ballot.


THANK YOU! Came in here just for that & am happy it was done in one.
2012-03-01 04:17:45 PM  
1 votes:

thomps: so where i live, you don't have to show any id to vote. if i successfully registered my dog to vote with the intent of voting under my dog's name, isn't the registration really the only layer of verification that exists to stop voter fraud?


Do you really need to pull a stupid stunt and break the law to demonstrate it if it's true?
2012-03-01 04:03:11 PM  
1 votes:

sigdiamond2000: Looks like we've found Breitbart's successor.


dogs can't blog.
2012-03-01 04:02:30 PM  
1 votes:
Looks like we've found Breitbart's successor.
2012-03-01 03:43:21 PM  
1 votes:
so where i live, you don't have to show any id to vote. if i successfully registered my dog to vote with the intent of voting under my dog's name, isn't the registration really the only layer of verification that exists to stop voter fraud?
2012-03-01 03:43:19 PM  
1 votes:
"Ladies and gentleman of the jury, I think we can all plainly see that this merely a case of my client herping when he clearly meant to derp. As such, can we really hold him responsible? How can we do so, when there is so much a-herpin' and a-derpin' that he does every day? I ask you all to find my client not guilty on the grounds that he is, in fact, a Republican."

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2012-03-01 03:40:08 PM  
1 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: No. That was box OF turtles and it related to Mormonism's polygamy.


DOH! Thanks for clearing that up for me.
2012-03-01 03:39:57 PM  
1 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I expect he'll argue that he shouldn't be charged since technically his dog is the one who's fraudulently registered.


Won't work though... else you could fraudulently register whoever you want and say, hey, it's these imaginary folks that are fraudulently registered, not me!
2012-03-01 03:38:09 PM  
1 votes:
Wow, congratulations. You will surely revolutionize voting in America

I guess I missed the part about him being indicted, though
2012-03-01 03:37:43 PM  
1 votes:
It's also pretty easy to defraud Medicare for a certain amount of time.

That's a crime too, by the way.
2012-03-01 03:32:45 PM  
1 votes:
Your clever plan... you have not thought it through
2012-03-01 03:31:25 PM  
1 votes:
And he would have gotten away with it if not for those pesky kids!

I expect he'll argue that he shouldn't be charged since technically his dog is the one who's fraudulently registered.
2012-03-01 03:31:03 PM  
1 votes:

The Onanist: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Rick Santorum warned us people would be marrying their dogs and making them vote Democrat!

I thought it was box turtles?

/I just can't keep up with the derp.


No. That was box OF turtles and it related to Mormonism's polygamy.

/rah, rah, rah.
2012-03-01 03:27:40 PM  
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Rick Santorum warned us people would be marrying their dogs and making them vote Democrat!


I thought it was box turtles?

/I just can't keep up with the derp.
2012-03-01 03:25:31 PM  
1 votes:
Rick Santorum warned us people would be marrying their dogs and making them vote Democrat!
 
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