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(CNN)   OK, so yeah ... Wyoming didn't really want an aircraft carrier. But Texas now has its own navy   (news.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 170
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2012-03-01 02:42:20 PM
FTA -- "The six boats will be named after Texas state troopers killed in the line of duty."

Will they build a seventh and christen it Cordell Walker?
 
2012-03-01 02:43:11 PM
Yay! We have a... bunch of speedboats run by highway patrol. Damn, I was hoping we'd have a real navy. *smirks*
 
2012-03-01 02:45:59 PM
Now, a fun story about the old Texas Navy.

One day, three Texas Navy ships floated up the Tabasco River to San Juan Batista and said, "Sure would be a shame if we shelled this city to the ground, maybe if you give us $25,000 we could forget we saw your city and float on back down the river."

And they paid.
 
2012-03-01 02:47:53 PM
The presence may be a deterrent. Firing a weapon into Mexico is really an act of war. Especially when coming from a US gunboat.
Aggressive use of these boats will spur the cartels to up their game. Shoulder-fired missiles of many kinds are certainly available for a price. Not hard to imagine a big bounty being paid out for sinking one of those boats.
I'm all for interdiction and controlling our borders; the "enemy" in this case operates outside of laws and treaties, and has billions in funding to protect business interests.
 
2012-03-01 02:48:31 PM
Who's starting the pool for when the first drowning occurs?
 
2012-03-01 02:49:04 PM
Texas had their own Navy before they became a state in order to take care of their Mexican problems.
Texas Navy (new window)

The Texas Navy fought several battles including "the Naval Battle of Campeche on 16 May 1843 the Texas Navy sloop-of-war Austin and brig Wharton, supported by ships from the rebellious Mexican State of Yucatan (then the Republic of Yucatán), engaged Mexican naval vessels, including the steamships Montezuma and Guadalupe. This battle is believed to be unique, marking the only occasion in which a sailing warship engaged and fought a war steamer to a draw.[3] The battle, which raged over several days, was a tactical draw, but a strategic victory for the Texan Navy, which forced the Mexicans to lift their blockade of Campeche and assured security in the meantime for the rebels in Yucatan."
 
2012-03-01 02:51:26 PM
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2012-03-01 02:51:56 PM
Writer is a tard. That boat may be armored and have guns, but it is not like the vietnam river boat. That boat had an inboard motor with a simple water diverter that made instant reverse impressive. The boat stopped immediately dropping the bow almost below the water and shoot backwards getting out of an ambush right then.

That's the boat I want. Wait for someone not paying attention and hit the reverse, tossing them into the water or worse yet do that when you have a skier. The lake will get warm quick and yellow.
 
2012-03-01 02:52:56 PM

taurusowner: Good. Most of the actions the US Govt does to protect the border are meaningless and done for political points. The current administration has a track record of going after the states who are trying to protect themselves instead of the actual drug runners or illegals also doing meaningless actions for political points.


Don't be naive. No one in power actually wants a secure border. There's more money to be made in prolonging the problem.
 
2012-03-01 02:52:59 PM
Bah. Way to play catch-up, Texas! :)
 
2012-03-01 02:53:57 PM
The 34-foot-long boats, each powered by three, 300-horsepower outboard engines, will have bulletproof plating and six machine guns apiece, not unlike the river patrol boats the U.S. Navy used during the Vietnam War.

It's always nice to read about the ever increasing militarization of police forces.

taurusowner
Good. Most of the actions the US Govt does to protect the border are meaningless and done for political points. The current administration has a track record of going after the states who are trying to protect themselves instead of the actual drug runners or illegals. It's good to see a state like Texas doing what needs to be done to protect their land.


Fact: Federal immigration enforcement is up under Obama versus George W.'s presidency.
 
2012-03-01 02:55:01 PM
I remember when "Don't Mess With Texas" was the official slogan of the state's anti-littering campaign, not simply an excuse for being obnoxious.
 
2012-03-01 02:55:32 PM
This just in: War on drugs still obscene waste of time, money, humanity. Details to follow.
 
2012-03-01 02:58:57 PM

Backwards Cornfield Races: Since the war on drugs will never end, I fully support filling any cartel members who cross the border with weapons full of lead


If the barrel is full of lead won't it breech when you try to fire it?
 
2012-03-01 02:59:05 PM

Hoblit: I'm confused as how it would belong to the Highway Patrol. Unless it specifically handled ... bridges?


this goes hand in hand with AZ Park Rangers pretending to be drug mule chasing keepers of the flame. keep handing enormous powers and firepower to the wrong people, this will all work out real well for US citizens in short time.

in both circumstance they have arseholes going out of their way on a power-trip, getting killed and being used as convenient reasons to militarize police forces that barely handle basic law enforcement duties well.

people in america will not wake up until we have pigs walking in two's with automatic weapons on our streets. the turrists are right here, they live in your neighborhood and they wear silly costumes.
 
2012-03-01 02:59:28 PM

dusty15893: [www.thehulltruth.com image 640x360]

"The vessels will be able to operate in as little as 2 feet of water"


No, no it won't. WTF do you need a boat built for light ocean-going w/900hp for in the Rio Grande? I know, I know Texas...everything bigger yadda yadda. Overcompensating for something Texas?


Yes, it will. These boats are the same Navy PBRs used for river patrols during Vietnam. If you've seen the movie Apocalypse Now, you should recognize it. These boats are not ocean-going; they are much too small for anything coastal operations. A 20 ft wave would swamp one.
 
2012-03-01 03:00:01 PM

Trilithon: XveryYpettyZ: I totally support attempts on the state and federal level to secure our national borders. However, I wonder how long it will be before some jackass on one of those boats fills some innocent person backpacking or fishing with holes... or even more likely-- violates Mexican sovereign territory while doing it.

"Violate Mexican sovereign territory" ... what they going to do, declare war?

We can name it New Texas.


How does one fish with holes?

/dangling modifiers, how do they work?
 
2012-03-01 03:00:10 PM

dusty15893: [www.thehulltruth.com image 640x360]

"The vessels will be able to operate in as little as 2 feet of water"


No, no it won't. WTF do you need a boat built for light ocean-going w/900hp for in the Rio Grande? I know, I know Texas...everything bigger yadda yadda. Overcompensating for something Texas?


Sure it will, it's equipped with outboards not props and rudders.

/freaking want
 
2012-03-01 03:00:50 PM

max_pooper: USS Texas in San Jacinto:


Do you know why the USS Texas is in San Jacinto instead of at the bottom of the Atlantic? Pure dumb luck. She was tracked by Kptlt. Rolf Mützelburg in U-203 for 16 hours on June 20th, 1941. The only thing that kept him from shooting was that he couldn't gain a favorable shooting position. The USS Texas, and her escorting destroyer, never new he was there.
 
2012-03-01 03:01:42 PM

Ennuipoet: Admittedly, I've not traveled the length of river, but the portions I've seen could be patrolled cheaply and effectively in a pair of hip waders.


I was thinking the same thing when I saw that boat.
 
2012-03-01 03:02:30 PM
sed 's/never new he/never knew he/'
 
2012-03-01 03:04:45 PM

The Dog Ate My Homework: I remember when "Don't Mess With Texas" was the official slogan of the state's anti-littering campaign, not simply an excuse for being obnoxious.


Being Texan is widely considered an excuse for being obnoxious; that war on drugs is widely considered an excuse to further the wildly expensive militarization of police during nationwide budget shortfall is what troubles me.
 
2012-03-01 03:06:36 PM
Uh, scary? That the cops have boats?

The cops have had boats in every state since forever, the allocation of a few rivercraft to patrol the border of a nation engaged in a civil war between drug gangs and a corrupt government doesn't really seem out of line to me.
 
2012-03-01 03:06:37 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Good for them.
I hope they blow away some of those cartel farksticks.


blog.russellherder.com

KEEP PULLING HARDER! THAT HAS TO BE THE SOLUTION!!!
 
2012-03-01 03:06:44 PM
KrispyKritters: ...militorizing police...

Yes, and the city I live in is clammoring for money to be used for all kinds of new gear. Referencing the Republican National Convention as the purpose.

If it were really for that reason only, then we could borrow the equipment for as long as the convention would be in town and then return it to whomever.

It's obvious to me that they just want a whole bunch of new survellance equipment and riot gear to better arm themselves in regards to their citizens.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/tampa-looks-to-spend-4m-on- s urveillance-cameras-and-police-gear-for-rnc/1217832
 
2012-03-01 03:06:59 PM

factoryconnection: If they're going to have machine guns, and not merely automatic rifles but SAWs or M-60s, I would most definitely prefer the Texas HP have them trained towards the border than usable in cities and towns.

The drug trade is driven by demand, and as long as we demand Colombian cocaine as well as Mexican meth and marijuana, the cartels will be working across our borders.


I agree. We need to stop outsourcing our drug production and bring it back into the US. Think of all the savings that could be had while also supplying a struggling American economy with shovel ready jobs and a huge tax infusion.
 
2012-03-01 03:07:15 PM

IXI Jim IXI: Hopefully, they buy the subs from Poland.


Yes, the screen door will be a blessing on those hot Texas summer nights.
 
2012-03-01 03:07:40 PM
Dear, Texas:

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2012-03-01 03:10:08 PM

Quaker: HotIgneous Intruder: Good for them.
I hope they blow away some of those cartel farksticks.

[blog.russellherder.com image 640x405]

KEEP PULLING HARDER! THAT HAS TO BE THE SOLUTION!!!


The solution isn't "let the Cartel keep murdering people". Drug policy aside you're going to have violent criminals along the border regardless.
 
2012-03-01 03:14:30 PM

XveryYpettyZ: I totally support attempts on the state and federal level to secure our national borders. However, I wonder how long it will be before some jackass on one of those boats fills some innocent person backpacking or fishing with holes... or even more likely-- violates Mexican sovereign territory while doing it.


I'm sorry, but if you're dumb enough to go backpacking or fishing in areas overrun by drug smugglers and illegals then you deserve whatever fate you get.

As for Mexican soverign territory, they can suck it. There are plenty of instances of the Mexican Army/Police crossing into U.S. territory for whatever reason they deem appropriate. Also, many of them are in on smuggling of drugs and people themselves.
 
2012-03-01 03:15:42 PM
Why all the fuss? Janet Napolitano told us all the border "has never been more secure".

Only in the Obama administration could a liar and stooge like that even have a job.
 
2012-03-01 03:17:15 PM

dusty15893: [www.thehulltruth.com image 640x360]

"The vessels will be able to operate in as little as 2 feet of water"


No, no it won't. WTF do you need a boat built for light ocean-going w/900hp for in the Rio Grande? I know, I know Texas...everything bigger yadda yadda. Overcompensating for something Texas?


Usually, multiple engines like that are used for redundancy in addition to power. If a single, or even two, motors get shot up, that third motor keeps the boat alive. Per the article, these boats are similar to ones used in other hostile river environments, so it just might be possible that the designers know something that you don't with regards to what is appropriate and necessary.
 
2012-03-01 03:17:57 PM

dittybopper: max_pooper: USS Texas in San Jacinto:

Do you know why the USS Texas is in San Jacinto instead of at the bottom of the Atlantic? Pure dumb luck. She was tracked by Kptlt. Rolf Mützelburg in U-203 for 16 hours on June 20th, 1941. The only thing that kept him from shooting was that he couldn't gain a favorable shooting position. The USS Texas, and her escorting destroyer, never new he was there.


There was also the little issue that the United States and Germany were not at war on June 20th, 1941 and the ships were outside the declared blockade zone.
 
2012-03-01 03:19:18 PM

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: Why all the fuss? Janet Napolitano told us all the border "has never been more secure".

Only in the Obama administration could a liar and stooge like that even have a job.


You're a very poor student of history (WMDs in Iraq, anyone?), and she's actually right. The border probably IS harder to cross today than it has been in the past. The difference is that more people, and more VIOLENT people, are making the attempt.
 
2012-03-01 03:20:00 PM
you had me at Department of Public Safety and gunboats.
 
2012-03-01 03:20:55 PM

Trilithon: XveryYpettyZ: I totally support attempts on the state and federal level to secure our national borders. However, I wonder how long it will be before some jackass on one of those boats fills some innocent person backpacking or fishing with holes... or even more likely-- violates Mexican sovereign territory while doing it.

"Violate Mexican sovereign territory" ... what they going to do, declare war?

We can name it New Texas.


I read a story in a magazine once about that. General Winfield Scott was asked by President Taylor whether we should annex all of Mexico. Scott replied that it was so awful down there that it wasn't worth keeping. That was saying a lot considering Manifest Destiny was in full swing during that period.
 
2012-03-01 03:21:34 PM
Old news is Fark threepeats are so exciting.
 
2012-03-01 03:22:11 PM

newton: you had me at Department of Public Safety and gunboats.


In that area, you NEED gunboats for safety.
 
2012-03-01 03:24:45 PM
The hell we don't want an aircraft carrier! Park that thing out in Boysen reservoir - there's room.
 
2012-03-01 03:25:49 PM
Texas supports swift boats?
 
2012-03-01 03:27:51 PM
Texas should be federally required to elect illegal immigrants to state office. Also, intense psychological evaluation for anyone seeking to own a gun would cut down on crime... not just armed robbery, but crime in general. Most of the domestic abusers I've known have been card-carrying NRA members. Once one manages to compensate for a micropenis, one seems to think that the law doesn't apply to them.

/I entered the Konami Code before I was born so I have nothing to compensate for
//not my fault if you guys didn't learn the Konami Code in the womb
///if this post has pissed you off, you're easy to piss off 'cuz I ain't even trying
////real chili has beans
 
2012-03-01 03:29:25 PM

gblive: dittybopper: max_pooper: USS Texas in San Jacinto:

Do you know why the USS Texas is in San Jacinto instead of at the bottom of the Atlantic? Pure dumb luck. She was tracked by Kptlt. Rolf Mützelburg in U-203 for 16 hours on June 20th, 1941. The only thing that kept him from shooting was that he couldn't gain a favorable shooting position. The USS Texas, and her escorting destroyer, never new he was there.

There was also the little issue that the United States and Germany were not at war on June 20th, 1941 and the ships were outside the declared blockade zone.


Actually, when the U-203 spotted her, the USS Texas was 10 nautical miles within the declared exclusion zone for neutral warships, and by the time Mützelburg called off the chase, it was over 148 miles inside that zone.

In other words, by the rules the Kriegsmarine was operating under, the USS Texas was fair game.
 
2012-03-01 03:30:03 PM

Saborlas: /real chili has beans


Now THEM are fightin' words!
 
2012-03-01 03:30:41 PM

gblive: dittybopper: max_pooper: USS Texas in San Jacinto:

Do you know why the USS Texas is in San Jacinto instead of at the bottom of the Atlantic? Pure dumb luck. She was tracked by Kptlt. Rolf Mützelburg in U-203 for 16 hours on June 20th, 1941. The only thing that kept him from shooting was that he couldn't gain a favorable shooting position. The USS Texas, and her escorting destroyer, never new he was there.

There was also the little issue that the United States and Germany were not at war on June 20th, 1941 and the ships were outside the declared blockade zone.


Besides which, what makes you thing we *WEREN'T* at war? We had both shot at each other by that time. We were in an undeclared shooting war in the Atlantic.
 
2012-03-01 03:31:22 PM

CalamitousCrasher: factoryconnection: If they're going to have machine guns, and not merely automatic rifles but SAWs or M-60s, I would most definitely prefer the Texas HP have them trained towards the border than usable in cities and towns.

The drug trade is driven by demand, and as long as we demand Colombian cocaine as well as Mexican meth and marijuana, the cartels will be working across our borders.

I agree. We need to stop outsourcing our drug production and bring it back into the US. Think of all the savings that could be had while also supplying a struggling American economy with shovel ready jobs and a huge tax infusion.


Hopefully another decommissioned-silo-LSD-production facility. Recycling, after all.
 
2012-03-01 03:33:29 PM

Saborlas: Texas should be federally required to elect illegal immigrants to state office. Also, intense psychological evaluation for anyone seeking to own a gun would cut down on crime... not just armed robbery, but crime in general. Most of the domestic abusers I've known have been card-carrying NRA members. Once one manages to compensate for a micropenis, one seems to think that the law doesn't apply to them.

/I entered the Konami Code before I was born so I have nothing to compensate for
//not my fault if you guys didn't learn the Konami Code in the womb
///if this post has pissed you off, you're easy to piss off 'cuz I ain't even trying
////real chili has beans


0/10

Obvious trolls are obvious.

/never liked Contra either
 
2012-03-01 03:34:03 PM
The retardation in this thread is astounding.

Boats like that will be used for patrolling in places like Eagle Mountain Lake. That's the place where an American couple were chased by armed Mexican drug runners in a boat. The husband was murdered, the wife barely got away. The police investigator on the Mexican side of the border started getting close to the suspect and had begun to name names when his head turned up in a box outside the Federal Police station.

Go on with your libderp. It's all you guys know how to do anyway.
 
2012-03-01 03:34:21 PM
Old and busted: skiing behind DPS patrol boats. New hotness: skiing behind DPS fighter jet

i144.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-01 03:34:49 PM

dittybopper: Besides which, what makes you thing we *WEREN'T* at war? We had both shot at each other by that time. We were in an undeclared shooting war in the Atlantic.


There is a massive difference between aggression against some merchant ships and maybe the occasional sub chaser or destroyer ("It looked British, we swear. Here we'll apologize and pay reps!") vs sticking a US battleship on the bottom of the Atlantic, even if the BB is 10 miles over the line. You start making a habit of sinking light cruiser and larger assets and suddenly the "We thought it was RN" excuse starts wearing thin.
 
2012-03-01 03:35:24 PM
Hopefully the cartels don't have spears.

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