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(Addicting Info)   Are you a single parent in Wisconsin? Well, you'd better get married to some homeless guy, because being a single parent may soon be considered child abuse   (addictinginfo.org) divider line 110
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2012-03-01 07:59:21 AM
Republicans: Cooking their own goose since 2003.
 
2012-03-01 08:14:45 AM
My father died while my youngest brother was still a minor. By this logic, as my mother didn't remarry before he turned 18 (and in fact she never did remarry), she would have been labeled as a potential child abuser even though during that time my brother stayed out of trouble, did volunteer work, graduated high school & went to college (he turned 18 while a freshman). Meanwhile, married parents of some of the neighborhood punks, who probably were abusing their kids in some way, would not have been labeled as abusers. Where is the logic in that?

The Republican party is dead. We need a real opposition party (or 2 or 3).
 
2012-03-01 08:20:24 AM
The GOP really really really hates women, I get it.
 
2012-03-01 08:24:47 AM
i46.tinypic.com
This thing is getting a workout lately
 
2012-03-01 08:42:08 AM
Are Republicans trying to be irrelevant or is this accidental?
 
2012-03-01 10:44:48 AM
Not a day goes by in this topsy-turvy, mad max eschatology

Cool. A new word for me.

/and i think mad max should be capitalized
//MAD MAX
 
2012-03-01 10:45:19 AM
What the farking hell is this shiat?

Are they actively trying to alienate anyone who isn't white-male-evangelical?
 
2012-03-01 10:45:21 AM
I bet Scott Walker woke up this morning and though "what can I do to be an asshole today?" and he proposed this to a Republican legislator.
 
2012-03-01 10:47:21 AM
Grothman proposed this? This sounds more like a Mary Lazich or Leah Vukmir type of crazy.
 
2012-03-01 10:50:03 AM
This asshat needs to pull a Breitbart.
 
2012-03-01 10:50:31 AM
By this bill's logic, WI senator Paul Ryan was a potential victim of child abuse at 16 after his father died.

The GOP: The 21st century choice for 19th century thinking
 
2012-03-01 10:50:32 AM

Cinaed: What the farking hell is this shiat?

Are they actively trying to alienate anyone who isn't white-male-evangelical?


YES
 
2012-03-01 10:51:12 AM
Let this be a lesson to all you fat chicks who fark on the first date.
 
2012-03-01 10:51:20 AM
Did anyone else think of Murphy Brown?
 
2012-03-01 10:51:36 AM
I think it's a great idea. Unmarried fathers suck and should be punished. Every divorced father, or unmarried father, or father not married to the mother of his children should be forced to wear his children's birthdates prominently on his clothing...say, in large scarlet letters.

/note: comment may not factually represent the poster's actual beliefs
 
2012-03-01 10:52:20 AM

PlatinumDragon: By this bill's logic, WI senator Paul Ryan was a potential victim of child abuse at 16 after his father died.

The GOP: The 21st century choice for 1914th century thinking


ftfy
 
2012-03-01 10:52:21 AM
Does this mean that being a single parent would be grounds for removal and a TPR?

jeez and we already have a lack of foster parents in WI. And the rules changed a few years ago with kinship care means now you have to go through most if not all the same happy fun classes and intrusive paperwork that foster parents do.

Nice going GOP
 
2012-03-01 10:53:25 AM
You know, I take the family to Wisconsin every year for vacation. My in-laws have a wonderful little place on the Green Bay side of Door County. I always considered WI to be a more liberal, laid back, not in-your-face kind of place. Even the religious people were likely to be chilled-out Lutherans or Episcopalians and not insane Evangelists.

Lately though, it's like they've all been replaced by pod people. It seems like once Feingold threw in the towel, all the crazies came out from under their rocks.
 
2012-03-01 10:54:02 AM
I'm sure they mean to demonize single mothers, not single fathers.

Because single fathers only happen because of some personal failure on the mother's part, like dying.
 
2012-03-01 10:54:03 AM
Anyone think this is a distraction bill to focus opposition dialog on this instead of something worse but less obvious which they are trying to pass?
 
2012-03-01 10:54:15 AM
upon further reflection....

Is this a way to get around adoption and fostering for gay couples since being married isn't a prerequisite to be a foster parent or adopt?
 
2012-03-01 10:54:32 AM

ms_lara_croft: Are Republicans trying to be irrelevant or is this accidental?


They control both the House and the Senate, have 5 of the Supreme Court justices, and Obama is talking about war with Iran and reducing corporate taxes.

What exactly do they need to win the White House to accomplish? And in fact, if they did, wouldn't it make it more likely that they lose either the House or Senate (because America loves a partisan fight between the Executive and the Legislature)?
 
2012-03-01 10:55:17 AM
in promoting those campaigns and materials, the board shall emphasize nonmarital parenthood as a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect.

WTF makes this farknob an expert on the causes of child abuse?

GOPers legislating ignorance as usual.
 
2012-03-01 10:56:29 AM

Petey4335: upon further reflection....

Is this a way to get around adoption and fostering for gay couples since being married isn't a prerequisite to be a foster parent or adopt?


It makes adoption attempts by gay couples into conspiracy to commit child abuse.
 
2012-03-01 10:56:40 AM
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That's right, don't stop now.
 
2012-03-01 10:56:45 AM
Wat
 
2012-03-01 10:58:16 AM

WhackingDay: You know, I take the family to Wisconsin every year for vacation. My in-laws have a wonderful little place on the Green Bay side of Door County. I always considered WI to be a more liberal, laid back, not in-your-face kind of place. Even the religious people were likely to be chilled-out Lutherans or Episcopalians and not insane Evangelists.

Lately though, it's like they've all been replaced by pod people. It seems like once Feingold threw in the towel, all the crazies came out from under their rocks.


You never stopped anywhere else along the way I take it or wondered about 40 miles west of Green Bay. It can be as red as Alabama in some spots.
 
2012-03-01 11:00:26 AM

thismomentinblackhistory: Wat


This.
And, allow me to add: "Lolwut?"
 
2012-03-01 11:03:52 AM
He's got it to backwards. Single moms rarely have enough time for real child abuse. You need a married couple where dad works a crappy job and mom stays home and drinks tvarski and smokes pall malls all day while keeping her kid locked in a cage under the crawlspace. Then dad comes home and the real fun begins. Without one to enable another, its just amateur hour.
 
2012-03-01 11:04:57 AM
Would this mean that Newt Gingrich is a child abuser?
 
Bf+
2012-03-01 11:05:08 AM
I'm not sure if this is simply representative of all the GOP hate in Wisconsin (against union workers, public employees, teachers, women, liburls, etc.), or if it is merely intended to fuel the hate.
 
2012-03-01 11:14:39 AM

azazyel: Did anyone else think of Murphy Brown?


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2012-03-01 11:15:59 AM
WTF is wrong with republicans.
 
2012-03-01 11:18:27 AM
This is an OUTRAGE. It's also *true*, but apparently subby is one of those people who is only "pro science" when the science supports their positions. When the science contradicts their world view, well then anyone who dares to insist that government teach *science* and not *belief* is obviously a "certifiably insane, hateful malarkey that would make Charles Manson blush."

Also, where is subby's (and this thread's) outrage at the Obama administration for their promotion of the exact same facts?

"Specific life situations of some families-such as marital conflict, domestic violence, single parenthood, unemployment, financial stress, and social isolation-may increase the likelihood of maltreatment. While these factors by themselves may not cause maltreatment, they frequently contribute to negative patterns of family functioning.

Family Structure
Children living with single parents may be at higher risk of experiencing physical and sexual abuse and neglect than children living with two biological parents."


That's taken directly from those neo-conservative, fascist, republican pigs and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (new window).

/Oh, and your blog sucks
 
2012-03-01 11:19:52 AM

Talondel: Also, where is subby's (and this thread's) outrage at the Obama administration for their promotion of the exact same facts?


Do you know the difference between correlation and causation?
 
2012-03-01 11:21:10 AM

azazyel: Did anyone else think of Murphy Brown?


www.nndb.com

Wanna count to potatoe?
 
2012-03-01 11:21:32 AM
Upon further thought, this doesn't just tar single parents as potential child abusers.

Same-sex couples? Abusers.
Unmarried life partners? Abusers.
Polyamorous groups raising children? Abusers.
Group of single-parent friends helping raise each others' kids? Abusers.

That use of "nonmarital", as opposed to merely "single-parent", catches a lot more than just single mothers.
 
2012-03-01 11:24:25 AM

Talondel: Family Structure
Children living with single parents may be at higher risk of experiencing physical and sexual abuse and neglect than children living with two biological parents."

That's taken directly from those neo-conservative, fascist, republican pigs and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (new window).


That isn't the same as declaring a single-parent household as automatically committing child abuse by being a single-parent household.
 
2012-03-01 11:26:15 AM
Some of the worst abuse cases I've ever heard of were perpetrated by one or both parents in a 2 parent household. Not to mention that step-parents, with no real bond to the kids, are just as abusive, or more, than biological parents. A lot of kids who have to endure an abusive step-parent or live-in partner brought in by their dumb mother/father would actually be better off in a single parent household. Women who choose abusive men, and men who choose psycho women, don't create stable environments just because there happen to be 2 adults in the household. Not to mention other ways a parent is lost, like an untimely death...
 
2012-03-01 11:27:04 AM
As much as I love to hate on the GOP in my home state, this bill would not declare that being a single parent is a form of child abuse, but that being a single parent can contribute to child abuse. However, it is still a really really stupid point.

I could see how single parents are over-represented in child abuse, but single parenthood is an indicator, not a cause.

Single parents:
1. Are often dealing with increased economic stress.
2. Are often dealing with stress over arranging childcare during working hours.
3. Don't have anyone around to talk them down if they lose their temper.
4. Don't have anyone around to give them a needed break.

There is also the fact that lower socio-economic classes are over-represented in the population of single parents. This class has a higher occurrence of child abuse in any case.
 
2012-03-01 11:27:14 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Would this mean that Newt Gingrich is a child abuser?


I've never heard him deny it.
 
2012-03-01 11:29:21 AM
Talondel: That's taken directly from those neo-conservative, fascist, republican pigs and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (new window).

So, you're okay with taking the results of a study and turning it into a law that will allow DCFS to take your kids away for being a single-parent?
 
2012-03-01 11:29:46 AM

PlatinumDragon: Upon further thought, this doesn't just tar single parents as potential child abusers.

Same-sex couples? Abusers.
Unmarried life partners? Abusers.
Polyamorous groups raising children? Abusers.
Group of single-parent friends helping raise each others' kids? Abusers.

That use of "nonmarital", as opposed to merely "single-parent", catches a lot more than just single mothers.


cdn.media.abcfamily.com

Abusers!
 
2012-03-01 11:30:10 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Would this mean that Newt Gingrich is a child abuser?


Breitbart became a child abuser earlier today.
 
2012-03-01 11:31:11 AM
Man, I was betting it was Scott Walker before clicking that link. Not that this bill is going to pass anyway, people.
 
2012-03-01 11:31:31 AM
This is what the Republican party is. I can't think of a more scathing criticism than that.
 
2012-03-01 11:31:43 AM

sprawl15: Talondel: Also, where is subby's (and this thread's) outrage at the Obama administration for their promotion of the exact same facts?

Do you know the difference between correlation and causation?


Wait I know this!!

The difference between correlation and causation is LIBS BAD
 
2012-03-01 11:36:15 AM
Not a day goes by in this topsy-turvy, mad max eschatology that Republicans have created where a Republican politician isn't uttering some certifiably insane, hateful malarkey that would make Charles Manson blush. Whether you're gay, black, female, or a spore with feelings, Republicans do not like you if unless you aspire to be a white christian millionaire

You forgot to mention that Republicans eat dead baby fetuses..then resurrect them....then eat them again!!!
 
2012-03-01 11:37:43 AM
Subby, report to Inigo Montoya for vocabulary training.

Read the bill. It does nothing of the sort. It does direct certain educational campaigns to point out that "nonmarital parenting" can be a contributing factor to child abuse -a fact which the US Department of Health and Human Services already recognizes- but it does not make being a single parent a crime.
 
2012-03-01 11:40:58 AM

sprawl15: Do you know the difference between correlation and causation?


Yes I do. More importantly so do the experts and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. They seem to think that single parenthood is a "contributing factor" to abuse. But I suppose this is one of those times where we should ignore what the scientists and experts know, and just rely on what some blow hard blogger believes.

MisterBill: So, you're okay with taking the results of a study and turning it into a law that will allow DCFS to take your kids away for being a single-parent?


No, I'm not. Fortunately for us, neither is the person who wrote the bill. You seem to have a problem distringushing between reality and Fark headlines. Even the moron who wrote the linked blog post wasn't dumb enough to accuse the bill of authorizing removal of children on the basis of their status as a single parent. It took a Fark headline to make an accusation that dumb, and it took someone like you who can't be bothered to actually read the laws their criticising to believe it.

Here's what the bill actually says:

Section 1. 48.982 (2) (g) 2. of the statutes is amended to read:
48.982 (2) (g) 2. Promote statewide educational and public awareness campaigns and materials for the purpose of developing public awareness of the problems of child abuse and neglect. In promoting those campaigns and materials, the board shall emphasize nonmarital parenthood as a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect.

Section 2. 48.982 (2) (g) 4. of the statutes is amended to read:
48.982 (2) (g) 4. Disseminate information about the problems of and methods of preventing child abuse and neglect to the public and to organizations concerned with those problems. In disseminating that information, the board shall emphasize nonmarital parenthood as a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect.


These two sections are about public awareness. They're about what matierials should be posted on government websites, distributed in government brochures, and used in government training materials for public organizations. No where does it authorize anyone to use someones status as a single parent as a factor in determining if a child should be removed from the home.

Cinaed: That isn't the same as declaring a single-parent household as automatically committing child abuse by being a single-parent household.


Ah, yet another person who puts more weight into what they read on a blog or a Fark headline than they do in the actual text of a bill.

And again, if what Wisconsin is proposing is such an outrage, why isn't it a problem when the US Department of Health and Human Services does the exact same thing?
 
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