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2012-03-01 11:29:00 AM
Won't make it any less of a symbol of the Birkenstock wearers.
 
2012-03-01 11:38:02 AM
Today I found out how tough my new car is.

I have a 2012 VW Passat TDI (Diesel). It's less than a month old after driving my last car for 11 plus years. Just dropped off the kids at the bus stop and was on my way to work and I stopped at a stop light. From behind me I heard the sound of skidding tires and saw an Acura heading for me at pretty high speed. It smashed into my rear end at a pretty good rate of speed.

When I got out the girl that was driving the car that hit me was also getting out of her car. I was surprised (but happy) she was able to because her car was destroyed. The whole front end of her car was crushed well into the engine and there fluids leaking all over the road. My car has some bumper damage and some damage to one of the rear quarter panels. My trunk doesn't even look damaged and the car was able to drive away from the accident.

I'm pissed, but at least no one was seriously hurt and my kids were out of the car before it happened. The car held up like a tank. Add that to the 40+ MPG I'm getting and I'm very happy with my purchase.
 
2012-03-01 11:45:06 AM
Well maybe now it is. Not when I owned one of them.

Then the dealership screwed me on repairs. When I expressed my concerns to the company, they basically said "Sucks to be you".

No way I'm buying a Subaru again.

Good cars, *BAD* support. Go with a company that actually cares for their customer. You know, if you can find one.
 
2012-03-01 12:42:42 PM
Generally, the reliability over automobiles has leveled out amongst most major auto makers. The years of domination by Honda and Toyota are gone. Technology and features are now the true motivators between choosing one brand over another.
 
2012-03-01 12:54:00 PM
I bought a car off a couple o' ladies way upstate
Took off the Greenpeace sticker and the New Hampshire plates
 
2012-03-01 12:58:17 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Then the dealership screwed me on repairs. When I expressed my concerns to the company, they basically said "Sucks to be you".


that's the problem. Never go to the dealership unless it's for a recall or something.
 
2012-03-01 01:12:42 PM

Aarontology: I_Am_Weasel: Then the dealership screwed me on repairs. When I expressed my concerns to the company, they basically said "Sucks to be you".

that's the problem. Never go to the dealership unless it's for a recall or something.


It was a warranty repair that it was in for. When I got it back, there was something else broken on it that wasn't warranty covered.

I complained, they relented and said they'd do a free diagnostic (how magnanimous of them!). When I went back to pick it up, they wouldn't give it back unless I paid for the diagnostic.


That and Subaru refused to own up to something that was a known defect. (Bad head gaskets).
 
2012-03-01 01:40:09 PM
Wait... if Subaru is #1 and Toyota is #3, is this a #2?
www.wired.com
 
2012-03-01 01:59:20 PM
Toyota quickly unexpectedly accelerates into third place

FTFS
 
2012-03-01 02:55:19 PM
Are there any 5 year/100,000 mile surveys? Because that's what I care about when it comes to buying a car.
 
2012-03-01 03:05:16 PM
Only now? I'm still driving a '93 Impreza AWD wagon with 240k miles and original clutch.
 
2012-03-01 03:06:19 PM
As if this comes as a surprise to anyone who knows cars

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Subaru Master Race reporting in
 
2012-03-01 03:08:50 PM

Demetrius: Today I found out how tough my new car is.

I have a 2012 VW Passat TDI (Diesel). It's less than a month old after driving my last car for 11 plus years. Just dropped off the kids at the bus stop and was on my way to work and I stopped at a stop light. From behind me I heard the sound of skidding tires and saw an Acura heading for me at pretty high speed. It smashed into my rear end at a pretty good rate of speed.

When I got out the girl that was driving the car that hit me was also getting out of her car. I was surprised (but happy) she was able to because her car was destroyed. The whole front end of her car was crushed well into the engine and there fluids leaking all over the road. My car has some bumper damage and some damage to one of the rear quarter panels. My trunk doesn't even look damaged and the car was able to drive away from the accident.

I'm pissed, but at least no one was seriously hurt and my kids were out of the car before it happened. The car held up like a tank. Add that to the 40+ MPG I'm getting and I'm very happy with my purchase.



Who would have thunk that the engineered designs did exactly like they were supposed to....

The reason her front end collapsed is becuase of a little thing called the crumple zone. And the reason your rear end didn't (as much) is becuase of a little thing called the ford pinto.

/The more you know...
 
2012-03-01 03:09:02 PM
FTA:"Champion said. "As more new products are introduced, their fortunes could change if they can improve their overall reliability.""

My 12 year old Grand Caravan laughs at this douchebag.
 
2012-03-01 03:09:04 PM

netizencain: Generally, the reliability over automobiles has leveled out amongst most major auto makers. The years of domination by Honda and Toyota are gone.


images.thecarconnection.com

According to JD Power and Associates, both Honda and Toyota continue to have better than average reliability, with Toyota's Lexus division taking the top spot. Subaru was slightly worse than average. The worst brands had over double the number of problems than the industry leaders.

The interesting note has been with Ford. Their reliability is way up since the 80s, they have a good international presence and they were the only one of the Big Three not to take a government bailout. They also fixed one of my biggest complaints: the 2011 Focus is now the same platform worldwide, having dumped the substandard US variant. They are really giving Toyota and Honda a run for their money.
 
2012-03-01 03:10:14 PM
Subaru is now the most reliable brand in latest auto quality survey....

That's not what the article says....
 
2012-03-01 03:24:43 PM

mrtoadswildride: Demetrius: Today I found out how tough my new car is.

I have a 2012 VW Passat TDI (Diesel). It's less than a month old after driving my last car for 11 plus years. Just dropped off the kids at the bus stop and was on my way to work and I stopped at a stop light. From behind me I heard the sound of skidding tires and saw an Acura heading for me at pretty high speed. It smashed into my rear end at a pretty good rate of speed.

When I got out the girl that was driving the car that hit me was also getting out of her car. I was surprised (but happy) she was able to because her car was destroyed. The whole front end of her car was crushed well into the engine and there fluids leaking all over the road. My car has some bumper damage and some damage to one of the rear quarter panels. My trunk doesn't even look damaged and the car was able to drive away from the accident.

I'm pissed, but at least no one was seriously hurt and my kids were out of the car before it happened. The car held up like a tank. Add that to the 40+ MPG I'm getting and I'm very happy with my purchase.


Who would have thunk that the engineered designs did exactly like they were supposed to....

The reason her front end collapsed is becuase of a little thing called the crumple zone. And the reason your rear end didn't (as much) is becuase of a little thing called the ford pinto.

/The more you know...


Rear ends are supposed to crumple too. They just don't often crumple as much, and the gas tank is much better protected in most vehicles (where it's not usually right behind the rear bumper anymore).

If the girl slammed on her brakes and the car did a nose dive (as usual under heavy braking), of course her car is going to get it worse. The point of impact on your car was the bumper- the part of your car designed to take the hit. The point of impact on her car was likely right above the bumper in the front grill- a part NOT designed for that. The impact would bypass all the structural support behind the bumper and spend the energy on the grill, lights, cooling system, and so on- things not known for being all that strong. Had she hit you bumper to bumper, your car would have gotten it much worse. Do make sure you have a body shop go over your car, though- it's easy for a support behind the bumper to have been bent and at the very least you'll need a new absorber behind the bumper cover.

As for TFA, I've never figured out what the hell CR is doing with these reports. They SAY they're rating reliability, but how the fark can you possibly have any kind of idea about the reliability of a brand new car? They marked down Honda for their new ones not being quite as nice as the older models, but refused to mark up Chrysler for putting out substantially better product. They may as well admit they're going on old models for new cars unless they just don't like the new ones and generally pulling everything out of their asses.

You just have no idea how well a given vehicle will hold up until many of them have been on the road for 4-5 years or more. You can extrapolate from past results, but as Toyota has shown, its possible to fark it right up, and as Ford has shown, it's possible to get your mud in a ball.
 
2012-03-01 03:24:52 PM
Bought my first Subaru in 2010 and couldn't be happier.

/Don't own any birkenstocks (or sandals for that matter)
//Redwing wearin', gun-totin' southerner, not exactly the classic Subbie owner
 
2012-03-01 03:26:43 PM
If only Honda hadnt ruined the 2012 Civic.

Right now I am looking at the Hyundai Elantra, Mazda3 and maybe the Chevy Cruze. Ive also been considering trying to find a 2011 Honda Civic, figuring I can get an EX version with low miles in my price range. I think the terribleness of the 2012 has driven prices up on the 2011 in the used market.

May even look at a small hatch like a Honda Fit or the new Hyundai Accent hatch. Even the new Kia Rio is a decent car.
 
2012-03-01 03:32:00 PM
My 2005 Subaru Impreza has 106k miles on it. Runs like a champ. I love my subbie. I plan on driving it into the ground 2 or 3 times.

And yes, it is hard to find mechanics who will work on all wheel drive cars. I've not had to have any work done, yet, but it does concern me.
 
2012-03-01 03:35:17 PM
Good one Submitter. Took me a second though.
 
2012-03-01 03:36:33 PM

Goodfella: As if this comes as a surprise to anyone who knows cars

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Subaru Master Race reporting in


i1045.photobucket.com
 
2012-03-01 03:38:11 PM

Goodfella: As if this comes as a surprise to anyone who knows cars

[camaro-car-wallpaper.carwallpapersdesktop.co.uk image 640x400]

Subaru Master Race reporting in


Subaru WRC Rally Car:Subaru WRX::Tapout Shirt:MMA Fighter
 
2012-03-01 03:40:33 PM

maverickzy: Goodfella: As if this comes as a surprise to anyone who knows cars

[camaro-car-wallpaper.carwallpapersdesktop.co.uk image 640x400]

Subaru Master Race reporting in

Subaru WRC Rally Car:Subaru WRX::Tapout Shirt:MMA Fighter


Subaru WRX:Subaru WRC Rally Car::Tapout Shirt:MMA Fighter

/fixed
 
2012-03-01 03:48:52 PM

Dinjiin: netizencain: Generally, the reliability over automobiles has leveled out amongst most major auto makers. The years of domination by Honda and Toyota are gone.

[images.thecarconnection.com image 640x957]

According to JD Power and Associates, both Honda and Toyota continue to have better than average reliability, with Toyota's Lexus division taking the top spot. Subaru was slightly worse than average. The worst brands had over double the number of problems than the industry leaders.

The interesting note has been with Ford. Their reliability is way up since the 80s, they have a good international presence and they were the only one of the Big Three not to take a government bailout. They also fixed one of my biggest complaints: the 2011 Focus is now the same platform worldwide, having dumped the substandard US variant. They are really giving Toyota and Honda a run for their money.


The small problem with the JD power results is what constitutes a "problem" with the vehicle. Hummer branded vehicles used to score very poorly when survey respondents reported very poor gas mileage....some economy brands would get complaints for being "cheap" (Kia).
 
2012-03-01 04:03:15 PM

Sasquach: Dinjiin: netizencain: Generally, the reliability over automobiles has leveled out amongst most major auto makers. The years of domination by Honda and Toyota are gone.

[images.thecarconnection.com image 640x957]

According to JD Power and Associates, both Honda and Toyota continue to have better than average reliability, with Toyota's Lexus division taking the top spot. Subaru was slightly worse than average. The worst brands had over double the number of problems than the industry leaders.

The interesting note has been with Ford. Their reliability is way up since the 80s, they have a good international presence and they were the only one of the Big Three not to take a government bailout. They also fixed one of my biggest complaints: the 2011 Focus is now the same platform worldwide, having dumped the substandard US variant. They are really giving Toyota and Honda a run for their money.

The small problem with the JD power results is what constitutes a "problem" with the vehicle. Hummer branded vehicles used to score very poorly when survey respondents reported very poor gas mileage....some economy brands would get complaints for being "cheap" (Kia).



And Fords have been getting some lower ratings from JDP because the common moron can't figure out how to use the SYNC/MyTouch system in most of the new cars.
 
2012-03-01 04:07:19 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Well maybe now it is. Not when I owned one of them.



Subaru has done pretty incredible things since beginning around the mid-90s. They took over the rally world, and then they use the technology from their rally teams and incorporate it into their street cars. And because they use a boxer engine they can have the symmetrical awd system they have patented. This awd sytem is head above heels better than their competitors. And their engines are based on a Porsche engine.

Now they have everyone copying off of them, using awd turbo platforms that they perfected.
 
2012-03-01 04:15:42 PM

Goodfella: Now they have everyone copying off of them, using awd turbo platforms that they perfected.


Audi would like a word with your assessment

www.a2oc.com
ll.speedhunters.com
 
2012-03-01 04:20:13 PM

Goodfella: I_Am_Weasel: Well maybe now it is. Not when I owned one of them.


Subaru has done pretty incredible things since beginning around the mid-90s. They took over the rally world, and then they use the technology from their rally teams and incorporate it into their street cars. And because they use a boxer engine they can have the symmetrical awd system they have patented. This awd sytem is head above heels better than their competitors. And their engines are based on a Porsche engine.

Now they have everyone copying off of them, using awd turbo platforms that they perfected.


There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin.
 
2012-03-01 04:21:14 PM

fatalvenom: Goodfella: Now they have everyone copying off of them, using awd turbo platforms that they perfected.

Audi would like a word with your assessment

[www.a2oc.com image 640x480]
[ll.speedhunters.com image 640x401]


That's a weird looking Evo there... :)
 
2012-03-01 04:21:25 PM

rohar: Goodfella: I_Am_Weasel: Well maybe now it is. Not when I owned one of them.


Subaru has done pretty incredible things since beginning around the mid-90s. They took over the rally world, and then they use the technology from their rally teams and incorporate it into their street cars. And because they use a boxer engine they can have the symmetrical awd system they have patented. This awd sytem is head above heels better than their competitors. And their engines are based on a Porsche engine.

Now they have everyone copying off of them, using awd turbo platforms that they perfected.

There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin.



But but but....Subaru cars are the best in the world. Everyone is trying to copy them.
 
2012-03-01 04:21:57 PM
I bought a brand new 2010 Mazda3, my first brand new car ever. I love it, but more importantly, I love the local dealership. They've never given me a reason to take it elsewhere, even for an oil change. If I leave it over the day while I'm at work, they'll do a quick detail on the inside and wash the outside. And they don't treat me like an idiot because I don't have a penis.
 
2012-03-01 04:23:07 PM

fatalvenom: And Fords have been getting some lower ratings from JDP because the common moron can't figure out how to use the SYNC/MyTouch system in most of the new cars.


They've also been having issues with their Ford-Getrag PowerShift dual-clutch gearbox. The older "wet" version was having problems with bad seals causing fluid leakage and the like. They just introduced a "dry" version, which may solve that problem, but like any V1.0 component, it is going to have some teething pains for a few years.


/Focus 2.0L TDI with the semi-automatic gearbox is otherwise a nice little car
 
2012-03-01 04:25:40 PM

MooseOnTheLoose: I bought a brand new 2010 Mazda3, my first brand new car ever. I love it, but more importantly, I love the local dealership. They've never given me a reason to take it elsewhere, even for an oil change. If I leave it over the day while I'm at work, they'll do a quick detail on the inside and wash the outside. And they don't treat me like an idiot because I don't have a penis.



It's pretty funny how commonly those two phrases are seen together.
 
2012-03-01 04:28:34 PM
Subaru is now basically a subsidiary of Toyota (who currently owns 16.5% of Subaru's parent company, Fuji Heavy Industries).
 
2012-03-01 04:30:54 PM

fatalvenom: Sasquach: Dinjiin: netizencain: Generally, the reliability over automobiles has leveled out amongst most major auto makers. The years of domination by Honda and Toyota are gone.

[images.thecarconnection.com image 640x957]

According to JD Power and Associates, both Honda and Toyota continue to have better than average reliability, with Toyota's Lexus division taking the top spot. Subaru was slightly worse than average. The worst brands had over double the number of problems than the industry leaders.

The interesting note has been with Ford. Their reliability is way up since the 80s, they have a good international presence and they were the only one of the Big Three not to take a government bailout. They also fixed one of my biggest complaints: the 2011 Focus is now the same platform worldwide, having dumped the substandard US variant. They are really giving Toyota and Honda a run for their money.

The small problem with the JD power results is what constitutes a "problem" with the vehicle. Hummer branded vehicles used to score very poorly when survey respondents reported very poor gas mileage....some economy brands would get complaints for being "cheap" (Kia).


And Fords have been getting some lower ratings from JDP because the common moron can't figure out how to use the SYNC/MyTouch system in most of the new cars.


I found "SYNC" to be a bit obtuse in the Focus I rented. It said it connected with my iPhone, but I was only able to dial by scrolling through menus on the head unit (and it would fight me on that while driving, forcing me to dial the numbers with the preset buttons in the name of safety). I had issues getting the music to stream through the head unit, particularly when listening to internet radio or feeding GPS app sound through the line-in.

I was happy when I found the USB plug hidden in the console, because at least then it wasn't connecting via bluetooth and running down my battery. I don't get the blue-tooth thing; I want the car to charge my phone while I drive, and transfer . I wound up using the USB to charge and routing sound through th Aux line-in jack.

I have yet to find a system that is as flawless connecting to my iphone as the Pioneer base head-unit in my Scion tC. Use wheel controls to skip tracks in slacker? Check. Pipe audio directions from mapquest? Check. It even displays the current streaming radio track on the display.

That said... is there an element of functionality I'm missing from SYNC? Overall it seemed very "microsoft." Too much complexity to perform a simple task. I half expected Clippy to pop out of the CD player and offer to help. In full disclosure, I didn'tr ead the manual... It wasn't in the glove box, and I spend most of my time in the car wondering how every car in DC wasn't a smashed up, bashed up mass of rolling, crumpled sheetmetal.
 
2012-03-01 04:34:49 PM

Izunbacol:
I found "SYNC" to be a bit obtuse in the Focus I rented. It said it connected with my iPhone, but I was only able to dial by scrolling through menus on the head unit (and it would fight me on that while driving, forcing me to dial the numbers with the preset buttons in the name of safety). I had issues getting the music to stream through the head unit, particularly when listening to internet radio or feeding GPS app sound through the line-in.

I was happy when I found the USB plug hidden in the console, because at least then it wasn't connecting via bluetooth and running down my battery. I don't get the blue-tooth thing; I want the c ...



I don't know why, but I've never had those issues with the SYNC in my Raptor. I connect my Droid via Bluetooth and plug it into the 12v outlet to charge it. I use the voice commands all the time without any issue to call people etc.
 
2012-03-01 04:38:21 PM
For years (decades?) the Subaru reputation has always been "good for four to five years then sell it quick to an unsuspecting idiot".
 
2012-03-01 04:41:54 PM

exvaxman: For years (decades?) the Subaru reputation has always been "good for four to five years then sell it quick to an unsuspecting idiot".


I always heard that the powertrain was built for a tank, while the rest of the car will rattle and rust away around it.
 
2012-03-01 04:42:24 PM

fatalvenom: Izunbacol:
I found "SYNC" to be a bit obtuse in the Focus I rented. It said it connected with my iPhone, but I was only able to dial by scrolling through menus on the head unit (and it would fight me on that while driving, forcing me to dial the numbers with the preset buttons in the name of safety). I had issues getting the music to stream through the head unit, particularly when listening to internet radio or feeding GPS app sound through the line-in.

I was happy when I found the USB plug hidden in the console, because at least then it wasn't connecting via bluetooth and running down my battery. I don't get the blue-tooth thing; I want the c ...


I don't know why, but I've never had those issues with the SYNC in my Raptor. I connect my Droid via Bluetooth and plug it into the 12v outlet to charge it. I use the voice commands all the time without any issue to call people etc.


The sound quality was great once connected. I don't have a 12V outlet adapter, and wasn't going to buy one for a brief three week trip.

Probably good that I couldn't get it to work... I was distracted and stressed enough driving an automatic transmission in heavy traffic.
 
2012-03-01 04:43:35 PM

fatalvenom: MooseOnTheLoose: I bought a brand new 2010 Mazda3, my first brand new car ever. I love it, but more importantly, I love the local dealership. They've never given me a reason to take it elsewhere, even for an oil change. If I leave it over the day while I'm at work, they'll do a quick detail on the inside and wash the outside. And they don't treat me like an idiot because I don't have a penis.


It's pretty funny how commonly those two phrases are seen together.


Hah, as much I would love to think that my boobs give me magical powers over men, I've noticed that they have a lot of long time customers, who they know by name the moment they walk in.

Magical boobs... how do they work???
 
2012-03-01 04:46:48 PM

MooseOnTheLoose: fatalvenom: MooseOnTheLoose: I bought a brand new 2010 Mazda3, my first brand new car ever. I love it, but more importantly, I love the local dealership. They've never given me a reason to take it elsewhere, even for an oil change. If I leave it over the day while I'm at work, they'll do a quick detail on the inside and wash the outside. And they don't treat me like an idiot because I don't have a penis.


It's pretty funny how commonly those two phrases are seen together.

Hah, as much I would love to think that my boobs give me magical powers over men, I've noticed that they have a lot of long time customers, who they know by name the moment they walk in.

Magical boobs... how do they work???



I was more or less saying the Mazda3, while being a well-built good car, is a chick car.

Your magic boobs OTOH, they aren't magic. They're boobs, it's what they do.
 
zez
2012-03-01 04:58:21 PM
I lurve my Scoobies
 
2012-03-01 05:03:03 PM

Dinjiin: exvaxman: For years (decades?) the Subaru reputation has always been "good for four to five years then sell it quick to an unsuspecting idiot".

I always heard that the powertrain was built for a tank, while the rest of the car will rattle and rust away around it.


Back in the "old days" they only spray-galvanized the bodies, then applied paint. Once they started doing the dip process like everyone else (with the introduction of the Legacy), rust was no longer an issue.

/Subaru owner for 15+ years
//My Bugeye WRX Wagon still going strong after 11 years
 
zez
2012-03-01 05:21:43 PM
My outback sport is 15 years old and all I've had done (besides oil changes twice a year) to it is fix an front oil leak 10 years ago, replace the clutch around 8 years ago, (it was a post lease car) and a few O2 sensors this year. The car has around 170,000 miles on it.

The wife's Forester gets paid off this year but I'm hoping to keep mine going for a few more years to save money, nothing beats driving for free! I'd like to get an Outback but I didn't like the direction the style was going.
 
2012-03-01 05:23:23 PM
WUTS GOIN ON IN DIS THREAD?!?!?!?!?!

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2012-03-01 05:56:12 PM

Goodfella: As if this comes as a surprise to anyone who knows cars

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Subaru Master Race reporting in


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Master Race reporting in

/not a subaru
 
2012-03-01 05:57:23 PM

fatalvenom: Audi would like a word with your assessment


If someone offered me a free Audi or a free equally priced Subaru, I would take the Subaru. No question about it.

Cheaper to own, runs forever. Germans cars in general are over engineered junk. My sister in law's BMW 330 has been in the shop about four times and it's brand new.
 
2012-03-01 05:58:09 PM
My grandfather puts 100miles a day on his 05 Forester and loves his. It's his favorite car to drive since his 280z decades ago.

My 08 Impreza is a great little car, but the mileage is on the low end. The 12 has fixed that issue, though. Next car will probably be a WRX when I give this one to my son when he gets his license.

The one thing I still don't like is the paint. Chips easily, despite looking wayyyyy better than the old model car paint they used pre 08.

And Toyota is still suffering from bad karma for the disaster that was the Echo.
 
2012-03-01 06:01:03 PM

Goodfella: And because they use a boxer engine they can have the symmetrical awd system they have patented.


Yeah, too bad all those fast American cars are stuck with RWD because they have V8s.

/lolwut
 
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