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(SB Nation)   How do personal issues effect a player's on-field performance?   (mlb.sbnation.com ) divider line
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2012-02-29 01:26:58 PM  
drewblood.com
 
2012-02-29 02:38:45 PM  
Chuck finley was never the same after the domestic abuse
 
2012-02-29 02:43:34 PM  
If you're Josh Beckett it makes you fat, lazy, and have an affinity for chicken and beer.
 
2012-02-29 02:47:36 PM  
I don't know, Bill James hasn't concocted a stat to quantify it, so they must not have any.
 
2012-02-29 02:48:34 PM  
Your putting goes to hell.
 
2012-02-29 02:56:03 PM  
I immediately though about Favre's Monday night game after his dad died.
 
2012-02-29 03:05:45 PM  

LarryDan43: Your putting goes to hell.


Well, if you don't eat your meat you can't have any putting.
 
2012-02-29 03:07:07 PM  

VvonderJesus: I immediately though about Favre's Monday night game after his dad died.


wanker

On that same vein, not the one you're wanking or the one that Favre put on display, I remember Joey Votto having a significant slump in, I think, his rookie year when his father died. Happened again around the anniversary of it as well.
 
2012-02-29 03:09:04 PM  
It turns you into a mopey, disinterested shell of your former self that resembles a large anchor your team has to carry.

www.contactmusic.com

/sooooooooo very disappointing
//should know a thing or two about defending a title
 
2012-02-29 03:21:22 PM  
I always wager on whatever player's biorhythms are peaking.
 
2012-02-29 03:29:33 PM  

ChrisDe: I always wager on whatever player's biorhythms are peaking.


www.atari2600.com
 
2012-02-29 03:43:11 PM  

wiredroach: [drewblood.com image 340x423]


came to post this, over in 1
 
2012-02-29 03:50:54 PM  
Athletes are human. I know if something in my personal life is bothering me, my work performance takes a nose dive. Why should Athletes be any different? Stuff happens to them and their mind isn't on the game, especially if it is a major event in their lives like the passing of a loved one.
 
2012-02-29 03:59:14 PM  
Personal issues really shot this guy's career:

titansized.com
 
2012-02-29 04:03:16 PM  
-see Tiger Woods
 
2012-02-29 04:04:18 PM  
It says there aren't really any stats on this...but why the hell aren't there?

Lord knows divorces/family death stories are well-publicized. We couldn't look at an athlete's pre-turmoil production and weigh it against the "after/during" stats? Obviously you'd have to normalize, but c'mon, get it together, stats people.
 
2012-02-29 04:06:23 PM  
John Lackey???? REALLLY!!?!?@?@!

This scumbag was divorcing his wife while she was undergoing cancer treatments.
cdn.lastangryfan.com
Hope the Tommy John Surgery hurt like hell!
 
2012-02-29 04:11:26 PM  
Tiger woods comes to mind. Missed the cut after his dad died. Starting sucking after his life blew up.
 
2012-02-29 04:19:18 PM  
Hmm, and I shot the best round of my life during some personal issues.

/missed 2 or 3 short putts that would've had me at +2 on the front
 
2012-02-29 04:23:43 PM  
cloudfront.qualtrics.com
 
2012-02-29 04:25:45 PM  

merkey88: Hmm, and I shot the best round of my life during some personal issues.

/missed 2 or 3 short putts that would've had me at +2 on the front


Being distracted during a round of golf is beneficial to people who are not professional golfers.
 
2012-02-29 04:44:59 PM  

MAYORBOB: Personal issues really shot this guy's career:

[titansized.com image 400x537]


*snort* I'm going to hell you magnificent bastard.
 
2012-02-29 05:14:58 PM  
Sam Rothstein unavailable for comment.
 
2012-02-29 08:10:11 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: I don't know, Bill James hasn't concocted a stat to quantify it, so they must not have any.


You know, I enjoy stat-geeking it up as much as almost anyone, but that's what always annoyed me most about old forums like rec.sport.baseball and the Rob Neyer message board. Mention anything psychological and ten people would jump on you with boilerplate about how "it might or might not exist, but there's no way to quantify it, so you're just guessing." They would not only say it, but race to be the first to point and laugh at such benighted thoughts. I think people are a little more relaxed and circumspect now that the stat-geek community has matured somewhat.
 
2012-02-29 08:20:14 PM  

Super Chronic: Yanks_RSJ: I don't know, Bill James hasn't concocted a stat to quantify it, so they must not have any.

You know, I enjoy stat-geeking it up as much as almost anyone, but that's what always annoyed me most about old forums like rec.sport.baseball and the Rob Neyer message board. Mention anything psychological and ten people would jump on you with boilerplate about how "it might or might not exist, but there's no way to quantify it, so you're just guessing." They would not only say it, but race to be the first to point and laugh at such benighted thoughts. I think people are a little more relaxed and circumspect now that the stat-geek community has matured somewhat.


I certainly hope you're right about that last point. Baseball stat geeks are insufferable. I would feel bad for them because they can't enjoy the game as it's meant to be enjoyed but they do their best to fark it up for those who don't share their stat-geekery. Fark Bill James. Fark him up his stupid asses.
 
2012-02-29 08:34:03 PM  

Super Chronic: Yanks_RSJ: I don't know, Bill James hasn't concocted a stat to quantify it, so they must not have any.

You know, I enjoy stat-geeking it up as much as almost anyone, but that's what always annoyed me most about old forums like rec.sport.baseball and the Rob Neyer message board. Mention anything psychological and ten people would jump on you with boilerplate about how "it might or might not exist, but there's no way to quantify it, so you're just guessing." They would not only say it, but race to be the first to point and laugh at such benighted thoughts. I think people are a little more relaxed and circumspect now that the stat-geek community has matured somewhat.


There's a time and a place for everything, and baseball is the perfect sport to analyze statistically because of the head-to-head nature of the game, but I get lost when the players themselves are viewed as robots. There is a mental aspect of the game, and just because it can't be quantified doesn't mean it should be ignored.
 
2012-02-29 09:05:50 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Super Chronic: Yanks_RSJ: I don't know, Bill James hasn't concocted a stat to quantify it, so they must not have any.

You know, I enjoy stat-geeking it up as much as almost anyone, but that's what always annoyed me most about old forums like rec.sport.baseball and the Rob Neyer message board. Mention anything psychological and ten people would jump on you with boilerplate about how "it might or might not exist, but there's no way to quantify it, so you're just guessing." They would not only say it, but race to be the first to point and laugh at such benighted thoughts. I think people are a little more relaxed and circumspect now that the stat-geek community has matured somewhat.

There's a time and a place for everything, and baseball is the perfect sport to analyze statistically because of the head-to-head nature of the game, but I get lost when the players themselves are viewed as robots. There is a mental aspect of the game, and just because it can't be quantified doesn't mean it should be ignored.


As a stat geek whose love for the game was pretty much re-ignited when I read Bill James' New Historical Baseball Abstract 10 years ago, let me say that I've never understood the complaint that stat geeks view players "as robots". Maybe you've run into some curiously detached individuals who aren't able to relate to other people in a normal, human way, but I've never seen players that way, nor do I envision giant, anthropomorphic numbers out there on the diamond running and hitting. (Hat-tip to FJM)

To me, stats serve to enhance my appreciation for and understanding of individuals players' accomplishments. And when players fail to live up to what the stats say they should do, when great players underperform at crucial moments, then that's just the beauty (and pain, and frustration) of sports. Like, when CJ Wilson puts up a great regular season, then is merely fair to f*cking awful in the postseason, I don't think, "What the hell, his WAR was such and such..." Instead, I think, "Goddammit, CJ Wilson is the epitome of the word 'douchebag' and is already thinking about signing a free-agent contract with a Los Angeles team."
 
2012-03-01 08:53:19 AM  

wiredroach: [drewblood.com image 340x423]


Sounds like you just like sounding stupid
 
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