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2012-02-29 12:08:53 PM
"Microsoft correctly identified the relevance of the tablet table form factor over a decade ago. This operating system may allow them to finally execute."

Fixed for accuracy.

blogs.guardian.co.uk
 
2012-02-29 12:57:06 PM
I hate the metro interface. In fact, seeing a preview of it made me finally ditch Windows and switch to Linux like I've been meaning to for years.

My computer is not a cell phone.
 
2012-02-29 01:03:49 PM
"The next four to six quarters will be extremely important for Microsoft," said Parakh at McAdams Wright Ragen. "They have to prove they too have a competitive product, not just on traditional desktop PCs and laptops but on the tablet and even phones. And this is their chance."

Wow. That really doesn't bode well for a corporation famous for its johnny-come-lately market presence and extensive list of vaporware.

/I should probably go make sure I'm not an investor via my 401k or some such idiocy
 
2012-02-29 01:08:02 PM
FTA: restore the company's fading tech supremacy.

Fading?! yes their grip isn't as tight but 85% is not fading. Blackberry is fading.
 
2012-02-29 01:12:22 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: FTA: restore the company's fading tech supremacy.

Fading?! yes their grip isn't as tight but 85% is not fading. Blackberry is fading.


Assuming you mean 85% of desktop shares, ok, but given that it was about 98% a decade ago I do believe that qualifies as "fading".

And Microsoft's presence in other tech consumer goods such as cellphones, tablets and mp3 players is laughably tiny.
 
2012-02-29 01:13:14 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: FTA: restore the company's fading tech supremacy.

Fading?! yes their grip isn't as tight but 85% is not fading. Blackberry is fading.


A better word would be "irrelevant". Kind of how cars are interesting and dynamic (applications), but roads are pretty boring (Windows). People just want Windows to work and aren't asking it to do anything exciting.

As a side note, MS gave away the tablet market when they killed Courier based solely upon the fact that there wasn't an integrated email program. Windows 7 doesn't have a pre-installed email app!
 
2012-02-29 01:28:55 PM

madgonad: Kind of how cars are interesting and dynamic (applications), but roads are pretty boring (Windows). People just want Windows to work and aren't asking it to do anything exciting.


Bing-farking-O.
I don't want my OS to perform tricks and do every task known to man. Provide a hardware abstraction layer and a common extensible API framework (to give all apps a common and consistent set of tools to do things), make it all rock-stable, and I'll love you.
There are other applications to do everything else, and they can probably do it better because they specialize in it.
Had they concentrated on that ideal 20 years ago, maybe Windows 95 would have been written and debugged better. Instead, they worked on creating an OS-provided app to do some of everything (and do it all mediocre) and then try to make it hard for competing apps.
 
2012-02-29 01:46:06 PM
That article is terrible. It's written as if tablets are the exclusive future of computing. That may be true for some, but for people that do actual work, the OS does matter, as that has a large effect on the available tools.
 
2012-02-29 01:48:17 PM
The fact that they think Metro is a good idea for desktops in the first place is why I'm really, really leery of this release. Sure, windows historically often hasn't had the 'it just works' reliability or the go-ahead-and-rewrite-the-OS-if-you-want flexibility of mac or linux OSes, but it's usually steered a fairly reasonable middle ground between the relatively locked down mac OSes and the often dauntingly complex linux OSes, and at least it's generally been fairly straightforward and free from stupid gewgaws.

Now they want to stick a mobile device inspired interface on it. Not only do I think such interfaces are a dumb idea for full fledged computers, this worries me because it raises the spectre of desktops becoming as locked down and limited as mobile devices are. That might not really matter for people who only use computers for 'consumer' type tasks or for relatively non-technical work (i.e. stuff mostly involving spreadsheets and word processing), but it would leave those of us who actually like to have some real control over our machines out in the cold.

I don't really think there's any danger of this occurring *immediately*. You can still turn off Metro, as far as I know. But it represents a worrying possibility. While I don't really have any love for microsoft and I'm certainly not a fan of a lot of the things they've done, despite themselves they've so far managed to make an OS that has fit my preferences relatively well. I like being able to run the vast majority of the software that I might be interested in. I like that it's generally more straightforward and easy to use than linux. I like that it usually offers more flexibility (and cheaper hardware!) than apple stuff. I'd rather not have to change platforms to maintain the usability I currently have.
 
2012-02-29 02:06:21 PM
This is Windows Mediacenter. It has been around for almost a decade. Most people already have it installed (though few use it)
farm3.static.flickr.com

This is Metro. It comes out this fall.
www.dvhardware.net

Yes, it took Microsoft ten years to change the background color to green.
 
2012-02-29 02:18:02 PM
If When PC and laptop users do not like the new format, they can revert to the old style with a click of the mouse.

Fixed for accuracy.
 
2012-02-29 02:34:06 PM
Have it installed right now. It runs pretty well. If you're not afraid of change, you should give it a try.
 
2012-02-29 02:34:59 PM
It's Windows. It doesn't matter if you don't like it.
 
2012-02-29 02:35:06 PM
Installing it now from college. I'll wait to see what it is like when I get home.

/remote connection FTW
 
2012-02-29 02:40:58 PM
It's not supposed to be good. Windows 7 was good. We're not due for another good Windows until the next release.
 
2012-02-29 02:41:05 PM
Downloaded it and play around with it for only 30 minutes. Its crap, back to Win 7
 
2012-02-29 03:00:50 PM

gamepolice: Downloaded it and play around with it for only 30 minutes. Its crap, back to Win 7


What about it did you not like?

Wouldn't mind the feedback prior to futzing about with it.
 
2012-02-29 03:16:36 PM
You just know a bunch of execs were sitting around a boardroom playing with OS X and Gnome 3 and said "Oh yeah? We can make an OS that's more mobile-ish than this!"
 
2012-02-29 03:31:46 PM
Metro is for tablet and smartphones, not for desktops. It can run on a desktop CPU, but that's not really what it's for.

I don't see a lot of improvements for the desktop in 8. I think this is really an ARM/tablet/phone release but their marketing is confusing everyone.
 
2012-02-29 03:39:49 PM

Doctor Jan Itor: Metro is for tablet and smartphones, not for desktops. It can run on a desktop CPU, but that's not really what it's for.

I don't see a lot of improvements for the desktop in 8. I think this is really an ARM/tablet/phone release but their marketing is confusing everyone.


Including themselves. It's for ARM but only the desktop beta is available and the tablet version apparently won't have Metro [see TFA, two paragraphs before "HIGH STAKES" section].

/downloading it now for kicks and giggles anyway
 
2012-02-29 03:42:24 PM
Ugh, never mind. I had read that a bit too quickly. "They won't be in Metro" refers to Microsoft Office, not the Windows version for the tablet.
 
2012-02-29 03:45:00 PM
Does it come with a brand new version of IE I'll have to write hacks for on my web pages?
 
2012-02-29 03:45:17 PM
Tried it, what a load of crap. This is Microsoft's biggest failure, it's going to make Microsoft Bob look successful by comparison. The trouble is they are foolishly trying to combine an OS for two very different devices. It works fine for tablets, but on a desktop it's a POS.
 
2012-02-29 03:55:48 PM
I will be doing my best to avoid this OS. Not because of any dislike of Microsoft (I have never and hopefully will never own a mac), but beacuse every other Windows OS is a POS.

Windows 98: good
Windows ME: Kill it with fire
Windows XP: Great
Windows Vista: Awful (new window)
Windows 7: Great (fixed most of the bigs from Vista)
Windows 8: ? but you can see where this is going
 
2012-02-29 04:09:15 PM

cleveralthere: I will be doing my best to avoid this OS. Not because of any dislike of Microsoft (I have never and hopefully will never own a mac), but beacuse every other Windows OS is a POS.


They're like the Star Trek of operating systems.
 
2012-02-29 04:17:57 PM

Prometheus_Unbound: cleveralthere: I will be doing my best to avoid this OS. Not because of any dislike of Microsoft (I have never and hopefully will never own a mac), but beacuse every other Windows OS is a POS.

They're like the Star Trek of operating systems.


wait. are you saying TOS or TNG sucked? your life may depend on your answer
 
2012-02-29 04:35:54 PM

cleveralthere: Prometheus_Unbound: cleveralthere: I will be doing my best to avoid this OS. Not because of any dislike of Microsoft (I have never and hopefully will never own a mac), but beacuse every other Windows OS is a POS.

They're like the Star Trek of operating systems.

wait. are you saying TOS or TNG sucked? your life may depend on your answer


I think he meant the movies. Which is ridiculous anyhow - the first one was awesomely trippy and had all the best elements of the TV show, I honestly don't understand the hate for it.

The third one was penance for killing off Spock (spoilers: he got better) but it wasn't godawful. The only Star Trek movie I actually hated was the Next Generation one with the Fountain of Youth nebula in which the cast all acted like cardboard cutouts of their television counterparts (I can't even remember its name - it was the one between First Contact and Nemesis).

/Star Trek V was goofy like only Shatner can do it, but that's probably why I enjoyed it so much
 
2012-02-29 04:39:01 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: The third one was penance for killing off Spock (spoilers: he got better) but it wasn't godawful. The only Star Trek movie I actually hated was the Next Generation one with the Fountain of Youth nebula in which the cast all acted like cardboard cutouts of their television counterparts (I can't even remember its name - it was the one between First Contact and Nemesis).


Insurrection
 
2012-02-29 04:42:00 PM

cleveralthere: I will be doing my best to avoid this OS. Not because of any dislike of Microsoft (I have never and hopefully will never own a mac), but beacuse every other Windows OS is a POS.

Windows 98: good
Windows ME: Kill it with fire
Windows XP: Great
Windows Vista: Awful (new window)
Windows 7: Great (fixed most of the bigs from Vista)
Windows 8: ? but you can see where this is going


Where's your breakdown when NT and DOS Windows versions are separated?

Windows 1.x
Windows 2.x
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.11----------Windows NT 3.x
Windows 95 ------------Windows NT 4.x
Windows 98
Windows 98 SE
Windows ME------------Windows 2000
---------------Windows XP
---------------Windows Vista
---------------Windows 7
---------------Windows 8

IMO, what makes a given Windows version a POS tends to be the buggyness of changing the architecture (or badly done new features, like system restore was), and the follow up to that tends to be a correction of those bugs. So, everyone biatching about Metro today in Win8 will friggin' love it when Windows 9 has a slightly tweaked Metro.
 
2012-02-29 04:51:03 PM

Rent is too damn high: cleveralthere: I will be doing my best to avoid this OS. Not because of any dislike of Microsoft (I have never and hopefully will never own a mac), but beacuse every other Windows OS is a POS.

Windows 98: good
Windows ME: Kill it with fire
Windows XP: Great
Windows Vista: Awful (new window)
Windows 7: Great (fixed most of the bigs from Vista)
Windows 8: ? but you can see where this is going

Where's your breakdown when NT and DOS Windows versions are separated?

Windows 1.x
Windows 2.x
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.11----------Windows NT 3.x
Windows 95 ------------Windows NT 4.x
Windows 98
Windows 98 SE
Windows ME------------Windows 2000
---------------Windows XP
---------------Windows Vista
---------------Windows 7
---------------Windows 8

IMO, what makes a given Windows version a POS tends to be the buggyness of changing the architecture (or badly done new features, like system restore was), and the follow up to that tends to be a correction of those bugs. So, everyone biatching about Metro today in Win8 will friggin' love it when Windows 9 has a slightly tweaked Metro.


Windows NT 3.x, 4.0 and 2000 were not consumer versions. XP was the first consumer OS in the NT line. That said I always though the odd/even thing was silly and inaccurate, whether for operating systems or movies.
 
2012-02-29 04:56:51 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound:
Assuming you mean 85% of desktop shares, ok, but given that it was about 98% a decade ago I do believe that qualifies as "fading"


That's just marketshare. The total number of users is actually up (for both PC and Mac users). It's not like sales are actually declining for anyone.
 
2012-02-29 05:39:31 PM
Well, it's installing fast, I'll give it that.
 
2012-02-29 06:10:38 PM

Skyfrog: Windows NT 3.x, 4.0 and 2000 were not consumer versions. XP was the first consumer OS in the NT line.


I've seen people try to integrate 2000 in their good/bad breakdown.
 
2012-02-29 06:30:04 PM
Well, tried it, and it boots to a screen that does nothing but flickers, with the little "thinking" circle next to the mouse icon. Rebooted several times, but nothing. You can mash F8 all you like, but the button, it does nothing. Not the HDMI port and missing drivers, since I plugged in the VGA instead, and still the same deal. Pressing a variety of keys doesn't do anything, either, thinking maybe hitting the right combination of tab/space will put me past whatever hell my PC is stuck in and into something better, but to no avail. The mouse moves when I move it, so it is alive, just kind of stuck on itself.

Fark it. Putting Win7 back. Too much liquor in me to deal with this.
 
2012-02-29 06:44:36 PM
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2012-02-29 06:58:03 PM
OMG! Things change!1!

/Hold me
 
2012-02-29 07:04:23 PM

Skyfrog: Tried it, what a load of crap. This is Microsoft's biggest failure, it's going to make Microsoft Bob look successful by comparison. The trouble is they are foolishly trying to combine an OS for two very different devices. It works fine for tablets, but on a desktop it's a POS.


This is the most myopic and foolish thing in this thread.
 
2012-02-29 07:13:11 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: "The next four to six quarters will be extremely important for Microsoft," said Parakh at McAdams Wright Ragen. "They have to prove they too have a competitive product, not just on traditional desktop PCs and laptops but on the tablet and even phones. And this is their chance."

Wow. That really doesn't bode well for a corporation famous for its johnny-come-lately market presence and extensive list of vaporware.

/I should probably go make sure I'm not an investor via my 401k or some such idiocy


Oh ... it's you. Whatever.
 
2012-02-29 07:13:42 PM

LasersHurt: Skyfrog: Tried it, what a load of crap. This is Microsoft's biggest failure, it's going to make Microsoft Bob look successful by comparison. The trouble is they are foolishly trying to combine an OS for two very different devices. It works fine for tablets, but on a desktop it's a POS.

This is the most myopic and foolish thing in this thread.


Really? Because I agree with it. They got rid of the freakin' X in the corner to close apps. I'm all for modernization, but let's not get stupid with it.

I've currently got Windows 7, Ubuntu, Linux Mint, BSD, and Haiku- an Alpha release based on BeOS- on this computer. Each of these are far more usable on the desktop than Windows 8.

It's a piece of crap.
 
2012-02-29 07:15:17 PM
Run it as a virtual machine 1st. I believe VMware Workstation 8 supports it, so does the latest version of VirtualBox (which is free).

I don't like not having the start button or some other centrally located management interface, the only way I've found to get the control panel is to right-click the desktop, choose personalize then go to all control panel items. I've pinned the control panel to the taskbar. I've only played with it briefly though. I shutdown in the Remote Desktop 'app' in the Metro interface. It's going to take some getting used to.

Here (new window) you can install it to and run it from a USB flash drive if you don't have a spare HD to test it on.
 
2012-02-29 07:15:29 PM
I dunno. I can see the Microsoft Bob comparison. The Metro UI doesn't like anything that's not specifically designed for Metro. For instance, using Pidgin dumps me to the Aero desktop, kind of like how Bob had trouble with anything more complicated than Quicken or a Calculator.

I will say that I'm happy that Microsoft finally has a disk partitioner in the installer (but no live installation? Boo!) and that internet time is set to on by default (I don't know why something so simple as a clock irritates me so much; seems like they finally ALMOST have it right -- still no seconds display though).

Metro kind of makes me appreciate Unity, as odd as that sounds.

MrEricSir's comment of
You just know a bunch of execs were sitting around a boardroom playing with OS X and Gnome 3 and said "Oh yeah? We can make an OS that's more mobile-ish than this!"

seems to be dead on so far :)
 
2012-02-29 07:18:42 PM
So, having used it plenty since the the first developer's preview was released, the start screen isn't whole bad. I've seen a couple people who actually have used it for more than 10 minutes, and used it extensively, begin to feel that having the start menu confined to a small corner of the screen is confining and limiting.

My biggest gripe is that installing existing software in Windows 8 results in an standard icon populating a tile. It's kinda ugly, but this is something that'll change as time progresses. My second biggest gripe is that I can't make the window color black; I can only get it to about 50% grey. Why they decided to limit the window colors in such a way is beyond me.

I'm not liking the lack of a start button, but that is more for aesthetic reasons, rather than functional. My primary way of launching programs is is to hit the windows key and start typing the name of the program or file I want. This behavior hasn't changed in Windows 8, and flicking the mouse into the corner of the screen accomplishes the same thing. Also, the "legacy" desktop isn't going anywhere. Microsoft has said that they understand that power users will need more traditional window management features; they aren't going to throw power users under the bus.

And, addressing Vista hate: Vista was a fine piece of software. Vista's problems came primarily from two sources:

1. Software developers didn't design software the way Microsoft had been telling them to for years, primarily by storing their configuration files in the program's directory, but also using APIs that required elevated privileges. When these changes became mandatory, old software either broke, or annoyed users with the UAC prompt.

2. Hardware vendors refusing to support older hardware by updating drivers to the newer driver models that Vista required. Printer manufacturers were especially sinister: Instead of supporting their customers, they tried to use Vista as a way to sell newer printers, even if customers didn't need them. Microsoft had little control over this.

I'll add that Microsoft allowing lousy hardware bear the "Designed for Vista" logo, but I don't consider that a major issue.

Now, Windows 7 didn't "fix" the problems with Vista. In the nearly three years between Vista and 7, crappy software was either updated or pushed aside. All the best parts of 7 (excepting the UI) got their start in Vista.
 
2012-02-29 07:23:14 PM
Actually, speaking of clocks, I just noticed it is set for the correct time in Eastern Time, where I live, but has my time zone set to Pacific.

That's kind of silly. Easy enough to fix but dumb.

I had such high hopes.
 
2012-02-29 07:54:49 PM
If porting Windows 8 code to phones and tablets is as easy as they claim, it will attract developers. Microsoft makes great software development tools. Writing for android phones is teh suck.
 
2012-02-29 09:18:38 PM

Rent is too damn high: IMO, what makes a given Windows version a POS tends to be the buggyness of changing the architecture (or badly done new features, like system restore was), and the follow up to that tends to be a correction of those bugs.


Nailed it.
 
2012-02-29 09:31:52 PM
From what I've seen so far, apparently Windows 8 wants me to think that my desktop computer is a tablet? I can only see the whole Metro thing being weird and clunky.
 
2012-02-29 10:01:20 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: I'm not liking the lack of a start button, but that is more for aesthetic reasons, rather than functional. My primary way of launching programs is is to hit the windows key and start typing the name of the program or file I want.


Hopefully this Metro UI toggle still works (new window)
 
2012-02-29 10:03:19 PM
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2012-03-01 01:48:38 AM
I just installed it on a separate partition. It's changed a bit from the Developer's preview. I like the Metro UI more and more, I say this using it on a regular desktop PC. I like the live updates on the tiles. I think the music and video players. I think though they are mostly an enhanced version of Media Center which I never used much before.

Those who have Win 7 won't have any incentive or real need to upgrade. Only way I'm getting Win 8 is on a tablet. Makes most sense on that or unless you're on Win XP and will need to upgrade.

The Metro UI looks a lot neater than before and is easy to use even without a touch interface. The four corner hotspots work much better in this edition. It's an excellent option to allow to X out of programs in the metro UI now. It was tedious before going to the desktop bringing up task manager and then killing the program. Much better now.

I have to say on the very first interaction of the Metro UI I have a hater at first but have really grown to like it now. It's a lot cleaner and organized. Though not having the start button to do the tasks I was used to is probably the biggest change. Not a big deal as all new program installed will have icons will be in the Metro UI.

Definitely worth a try.
 
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