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(Politico)   Graham, cracker, is sorry that Obama is a secret Muslim   (politico.com) divider line 100
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2012-02-29 10:31:34 AM
And still no affirmation that he's a Christian. He might as well have said:

"I apologize to him and to any I have offended for not better articulating my reason for not supporting him in this election - for his spooky primitive voodoo faith has nothing to do with my consideration of him as a candidate," he added.
 
2012-02-29 10:54:03 AM
"faith as a political weapon."

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, sums up your Republican Party for 2012
 
2012-02-29 10:59:17 AM
I am sorry that Graham is an ideological throwback to bronze-age superstition and pre-renaissance demagoguery all rolled up into one intolerant hatemongering noise hole.
 
2012-02-29 11:16:51 AM
Billy Graham had some wonderful attitudes. He was fairly tolerant and respectable. I think Franklin's trying to distinguish himself from his dad and trying to get attention by saying outrageous things.

If he really believes these things, I pray that his heart opens up with compassion.
 
2012-02-29 12:06:48 PM

Diogenes: And still no affirmation that he's a Christian. He might as well have said:

"I apologize to him and to any I have offended for not better articulating my reason for not supporting him in this election - for his spooky primitive voodoo faith has nothing to do with my consideration of him as a candidate," he added.


I can't believe he really said that. I think all religion is pretty dumb but what he said is pretty opposite the truth.

Spooky, primitive voodoo? Catholicism is over a thousand years older than the Muslim religion. Christianity/Catholicism includes zombie worship, blood ritual and ghosts impregnating virgins.
 
2012-02-29 12:19:59 PM
Catholicism is over a thousand years older than the Muslim religion,

Say what?
 
2012-02-29 12:32:04 PM
Willie Geist: Reverend, I'll ask you the question that Sen. Santorum was asked on Sunday: Do you believe that President Obama is a Christian?

Rev. Franklin Graham: Well, I think you'll have to ask President Obama. You can ask me 'Do I believe you're a Christian?' I think the best thing for a person is to ask you directly, so I think people have to ask Barack Obama. He's come out saying that he's a Christian, so I think the question is 'What is a Christian?'

Geist: So you don't take him at his word when he says 'I'm a Christian'?

Graham: No, of course I do...you have to ask every person, but he has said he's a Christian, so I just have to assume that he is. But the question is: What is a Christian? And a Christian is a person that believes Jesus Christ is God's son who died on a cross for our sins who God raised to life. And that if we put our faith and trust in him, then God will forgive us of our sins. Now, that's the definition of a Christian. I was 22 years old when I asked Christ to come into my heart. You cannot be born a Christian; you can only be converted. And that is by putting your faith and trust in Christ.

Geist: You've said in the past the president is a Christian inasmuch as he goes to church on Sunday. But you don't know if he's accepted Jesus Christ. Do you still believe that?

Graham: I mean, I don't know. I asked him when he was a senator, and I asked him how he came to faith in Christ. He said he was working on the south side of Chicago in the community and the community asked him what church he went to. He said 'I don't go to church.' Then they said if [he is] going to work in our community, you have to join one of our churches. And, of course, he then attended Rev. Jeremiah [Wright]'s church. So that's what his answer to my question was.


So (when he was asked) Graham said he takes President Obama at his word, but points out that Obama did not answer his question directly.
 
2012-02-29 01:02:50 PM
Graham should not have apologized. He said nothing wrong.
 
2012-02-29 01:03:15 PM

Bevets: So (when he was asked) Graham said he takes President Obama at his word, but points out that Obama did not answer his question directly.


Please cite where the President has ever said this. If you can prove that Franklin Graham actually asked this question and Obama answered it in this way, you might have a point.

But since you're a Christian you take every huckster's word on blind faith.
 
2012-02-29 01:03:52 PM

SkinnyHead: Graham should not have apologized. He said nothing wrong.


He said he's not sure if Obama's a Christian but he's sure Santorum is. If you can't see anything wrong with that then you're...well, you're you.
 
2012-02-29 01:04:33 PM
I'm not sure Bevets is really a Christian. I mean he says he is and I take him at his word, but I'm just not sure he really believes it.
 
2012-02-29 01:04:34 PM
Bevets has sex with goats*.

*I'm just teaching the controversy. You're free to decide yourself if he does or doesn't fark goats.
 
2012-02-29 01:17:25 PM

cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: Graham should not have apologized. He said nothing wrong.

He said he's not sure if Obama's a Christian but he's sure Santorum is. If you can't see anything wrong with that then you're...well, you're you.


According to the article, he said "I think" Santorum is a man of faith. That's not saying that he is "sure" of it. And besides, who cares?
 
2012-02-29 01:30:01 PM

mrshowrules: Spooky, primitive voodoo?


LOL. I inserted those words. But they really seemed to fit.
 
2012-02-29 01:41:32 PM

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: Graham should not have apologized. He said nothing wrong.

He said he's not sure if Obama's a Christian but he's sure Santorum is. If you can't see anything wrong with that then you're...well, you're you.

According to the article, he said "I think" Santorum is a man of faith. That's not saying that he is "sure" of it. And besides, who cares?


people who vote for the same troglodytic party you do sure care a lot.
 
2012-02-29 01:54:38 PM
Yeah, yeah, the evangelicals the hypocrite religion where you support military adventurism and your more important priority is to make sure gay people can't get married.
 
2012-02-29 01:55:11 PM
Bevets AND Skinnyhead?

/Slowly backs out of thread
 
2012-02-29 01:55:15 PM

shivashakti: Billy Graham had some wonderful attitudes. He was fairly tolerant and respectable. I think Franklin's trying to distinguish himself from his dad and trying to get attention by saying outrageous things.

If he really believes these things, I pray that his heart opens up with compassion.


Everyone always believes everything they say. At least, it is vital that we treat them as if that were the case. There is no trolling or sarcasm. Either (a) someone believes something, or (b) their sense of humor is such that they get something out of making people think that they believe something.

Fundamentally, there is no difference between these two options.

Short version: Everyone who trolls, or says stupid things, actually really believes and stands by what they have said.
 
2012-02-29 01:56:15 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I'm not sure Bevets is really a Christian. I mean he says he is and I take him at his word, but I'm just not sure he really believes it.



He has never told me what church he attends, or even if he attends, so I think he's a godless heathen who trolls FARK threads...
 
2012-02-29 01:57:26 PM

SkinnyHead: And besides, who cares?


First reasonable things you've said.
 
2012-02-29 01:58:23 PM
Who the fark cares what this charlatan's son has to say about anything?

Keep bilking the old folks douche.
 
2012-02-29 01:59:15 PM
ah-ha...so this explain's Limbaugh's rant about religion today. I was listening to his show on the drive home (anger tends to keep me from falling asleep while I drive) and he veered off into this weird, la la land conversation about faith and politics. at first I thought it was limited to something Santorum said or did, but the monologue was relatively vague. Limbaugh went on to say that the religious right wasn't dangerous to the country, that Obama was the real danger and repeated a few tired old lies about Obama being a muslim atheist commie.

However, after seeing this article i'm wondering if Rush was merely prepping the minions for this statement by Graham.
 
2012-02-29 02:00:31 PM

Tigger: Catholicism is over a thousand years older than the Muslim religion,

Say what?


Well, it's true if you include Jews for Jesuits.
 
2012-02-29 02:00:35 PM
At least we know that Santorum is true to his faith (except when it comes to the death penalty, evolution, and social justice).

Seriously, the dude is willing to defy the Pope on evolution, but he claims to be a good Catholic. . .

Link (new window)
 
2012-02-29 02:00:40 PM
biggest proof that there is no god is how the "faithful" can say and do such foul things with out even getting a squirrel to toss an acorn at em, and it's not as if there's some sorta instructional book with well documented examples god handling things himself. One would think that at some point there would be more then a rorscharh test on a burrito to put a stop to the acts of evil committed in his name.
 
2012-02-29 02:01:44 PM

Glenford: Bevets AND Skinnyhead?

/Slowly backs out of thread


Someone has tapped the Strategic Derp Reserve!
 
2012-02-29 02:03:38 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I'm not sure Bevets is really a Christian. I mean he says he is and I take him at his word, but I'm just not sure he really believes it.


Bots don't go to church.
 
2012-02-29 02:05:15 PM

"This is my business. You guys go through newspapers every day. I look at a person's political interest, but more importantly I look at their spiritual interests...you have to go by what a person says, and how they live their lives... Are they faithful church goers? Or do they just go when the cameras are on them?" said Graham.


Yes, we know it is your 'business', Huckster Graham. Being honest might hurt the bottom line - wouldn't want to offend your customer base. How ever would you pay for your houses?

flukkin shyster
 
2012-02-29 02:05:33 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Glenford: Bevets AND Skinnyhead?

/Slowly backs out of thread

Someone has tapped the Strategic Derp Reserve!


No, we've just opened up all the valves on the derp floodgate.
 
2012-02-29 02:06:23 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Glenford: Bevets AND Skinnyhead?

/Slowly backs out of thread

Someone has tapped the Strategic Derp Reserve!


Tapped? I'd say it's been busted wide open and now there's santorum all over the place.
 
2012-02-29 02:08:36 PM

Tigger: Catholicism is over a thousand years older than the Muslim religion,

Say what?


Must be metric years.
It converts to about 620.
 
2012-02-29 02:10:47 PM

SkinnyHead:

According to the article, he said "I think" Santorum is a man of faith. That's not saying that he is "sure" of it. And besides, who cares?


i'm sure it's important to the evangelical community. Nobody else seems to care though.
 
2012-02-29 02:11:03 PM
And now let's watch Rev. Graham's father speak thoughtfully and respectfully with some whose views are a bit more agnostic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOZ5TSRLOno

/those days are gone, aren't they?
 
2012-02-29 02:12:12 PM
Why in the world do we give any fundies any serious attention?

I don't know who Graham Cracker is or why I give a shiat what his opinion is.
 
2012-02-29 02:12:22 PM

SkinnyHead: cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: Graham should not have apologized. He said nothing wrong.

He said he's not sure if Obama's a Christian but he's sure Santorum is. If you can't see anything wrong with that then you're...well, you're you.

According to the article, he said "I think" Santorum is a man of faith. That's not saying that he is "sure" of it. And besides, who cares?


Then Graham is ignorant of the candidates and should not speak on things he doesn't know (bearing false witness). How can he 'think' Santorum is a man of faith when Santorum imposes his beliefs on others in precisely the fashion that Jesus did not? Santorum also encourages democrats to falsely register as republicans to disrupt the primary? He is actively encouraging others to sin. Santorum does not follow the Christian faith, thus he is not of it. He's simply a tyrant.
 
2012-02-29 02:13:54 PM
This thread never had a chance.
 
2012-02-29 02:13:55 PM

HighOnCraic: Seriously, the dude is willing to defy the Pope on evolution, but he claims to be a good Catholic. . .


The Santorum Amendment simply allowed for the teaching of differing views on the subject in school. That's perfectly consistent with the position of the Catholic Church. Church leaders have condemned the censorship of intelligent design in schools.
 
2012-02-29 02:17:17 PM

bulldg4life: This thread never had a chance.


Yeah. And it's going to devolve into an evolution thread, which with Bevets and Skinnyhead both here I'm sure will mean a lot of stuff will get discussed and not just spun around and around like a retardation turbine.
 
2012-02-29 02:18:42 PM

bulldg4life: This thread never had a chance.


Are you saying it should have been aborted?
 
2012-02-29 02:19:27 PM

SkinnyHead: HighOnCraic: Seriously, the dude is willing to defy the Pope on evolution, but he claims to be a good Catholic. . .

The Santorum Amendment simply allowed for the teaching of differing views on the subject in school. That's perfectly consistent with the position of the Catholic Church. Church leaders have condemned the censorship of intelligent design in schools.


And shocking no one, this statement is the opposite of correct.

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Intelligent design is not science and should not be taught as a scientific theory in schools alongside Darwinian evolution, an article in the Vatican newspaper said.

The article said that in pushing intelligent design some groups were improperly seeking miraculous explanations in a way that creates confusion between religious and scientific fields
(new window)
 
2012-02-29 02:20:03 PM

DarwiOdrade: bulldg4life: This thread never had a chance.

Are you saying it should have been aborted?


No: pushed down a long flight of stairs.
 
2012-02-29 02:20:16 PM

SkinnyHead: Church leaders have condemned the censorship of intelligent design in schools.


you'd figure the egg on their faces from the whole Galileo thing would keep em out of it.
 
2012-02-29 02:23:04 PM

SkinnyHead: HighOnCraic: Seriously, the dude is willing to defy the Pope on evolution, but he claims to be a good Catholic. . .

The Santorum Amendment simply allowed for the teaching of differing views on the subject in school. That's perfectly consistent with the position of the Catholic Church. Church leaders have condemned the censorship of intelligent design in schools.


You do realize that when you're arguing issues with people on the internet, it's pretty easy to find a citation that proves you wrong when you spew crap like that, right?

Intelligent design is not science and should not be taught as a scientific theory in schools alongside Darwinian evolution, an article in the Vatican newspaper said.

The article said a Pennsylvania judge had acted properly when he ruled in December that intelligent design could not be taught as science in schools.

"Intelligent design does not belong to science and there is no justification for the pretext that it be taught as a scientific theory alongside the Darwinian explanation," it said.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0600273.htm


Intelligent Design reduces and belittles God's power and might, according to the director of the Vatican Observatory.

In his remarks, he also criticizes the cardinal archbishop of Vienna's support for Intelligent Design and notes that Pope John Paul's declaration that "evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis" is "a fundamental church teaching" which advances the evolutionary debate.

He proposes to describe God's relationship with the universe as that of a parent with a child, with God nurturing, preserving and enriching its individual character. "God should be seen more as a parent or as one who speaks encouraging and sustaining words."

He stresses that the theory of Intelligent Design diminishes God into "an engineer who designs systems rather than a lover."

http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=18503
 
2012-02-29 02:26:05 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: SkinnyHead: HighOnCraic: Seriously, the dude is willing to defy the Pope on evolution, but he claims to be a good Catholic. . .

The Santorum Amendment simply allowed for the teaching of differing views on the subject in school. That's perfectly consistent with the position of the Catholic Church. Church leaders have condemned the censorship of intelligent design in schools.

And shocking no one, this statement is the opposite of correct.

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Intelligent design is not science and should not be taught as a scientific theory in schools alongside Darwinian evolution, an article in the Vatican newspaper said.

The article said that in pushing intelligent design some groups were improperly seeking miraculous explanations in a way that creates confusion between religious and scientific fields (new window)


Well done--quick and efficient! I got greedy and started looking for a third link to refute the derp.
 
2012-02-29 02:26:44 PM

HighOnCraic: You do realize that when you're arguing issues with people on the internet, it's pretty easy to find a citation that proves you wrong when you spew crap like that, right?


Do you think that would stop him? Do you tink that has ever stopped him? Do you think he has ever even admitted he was wrong on something rather than dissemble desperately? It's not worth it.
 
2012-02-29 02:27:49 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: SkinnyHead: HighOnCraic: Seriously, the dude is willing to defy the Pope on evolution, but he claims to be a good Catholic. . .

The Santorum Amendment simply allowed for the teaching of differing views on the subject in school. That's perfectly consistent with the position of the Catholic Church. Church leaders have condemned the censorship of intelligent design in schools.

And shocking no one, this statement is the opposite of correct.

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Intelligent design is not science and should not be taught as a scientific theory in schools alongside Darwinian evolution, an article in the Vatican newspaper said.

The article said that in pushing intelligent design some groups were improperly seeking miraculous explanations in a way that creates confusion between religious and scientific fields (new window)


Not every article in the Vatican newspaper speaks for the church.

Cardinal says barring the teaching of 'intelligent design' is censorship
 
2012-02-29 02:28:28 PM
If being a Christian involves attending church, we all know the answer to that one.
 
2012-02-29 02:30:54 PM
To: Responsibility2nd

Yes! How dare he...!!!

I mean Obama only had a muslim father (which makes him a muslim in their eyes)

He went to a muslim school in Indonesia.

He can recite the muslims 'call to prayer' in perfect arabic. He describes it as the most beautiful sound on earth

His Indonesian school application form lists his religion as "Islam"

His adopted father was a muslim.

We have never seen him eat a pork chop.

He does not celebrate Easter or Christmas or any Jewish holidays in the white house (but did relent and get a "Christmas Wishing Tree") but he DOES celebrate Ramadan and more obscure Muslim holidays.

His first acts as President were to call Muslims countries and initiate "muslim outreach" programs at NASA.

He TOLD the president of one of the Muslim countries (I forget which) that he is a Muslim...

So....

Of course he is a Christian (he said so!)

12 posted on Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:56:06 AM by Mr. K (Were the Soviet-Era propogandists as gleefully willing as our Lame-stream Media?)
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2012-02-29 02:32:54 PM

SkinnyHead: Philip Francis Queeg: SkinnyHead: HighOnCraic: Seriously, the dude is willing to defy the Pope on evolution, but he claims to be a good Catholic. . .

The Santorum Amendment simply allowed for the teaching of differing views on the subject in school. That's perfectly consistent with the position of the Catholic Church. Church leaders have condemned the censorship of intelligent design in schools.

And shocking no one, this statement is the opposite of correct.

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Intelligent design is not science and should not be taught as a scientific theory in schools alongside Darwinian evolution, an article in the Vatican newspaper said.

The article said that in pushing intelligent design some groups were improperly seeking miraculous explanations in a way that creates confusion between religious and scientific fields (new window)

Not every article in the Vatican newspaper speaks for the church.

Cardinal says barring the teaching of 'intelligent design' is censorship


Not every Cardinal speaks for the church. The Vatican newspaper does.
 
2012-02-29 02:33:22 PM

HighOnCraic: Intelligent Design reduces and belittles God's power and might, according to the director of the Vatican Observatory.


Pope sacks chief astronomer for supporting Darwinian theory
 
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