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2012-02-29 09:58:04 AM
Beta.
 
2012-02-29 09:58:52 AM
Siri: Fark you, your band sucks. OK?
 
2012-02-29 10:01:07 AM
I have an iPhone 4s, and I like it, but I hardly ever use Siri.

Whenever I try to, it either doesn't hear correctly what I said, or it doesn't understand what I want, or it can't connect to the network to process my request.

As a result, it's usually just faster and easier to type in what I want. Siri is a great concept, but needs a lot more refinement.
 
2012-02-29 10:05:19 AM
My experience with Siri.

Me: Siri, Where is the Red Robin?
Siri: There are several Red Lobsters near your current location.

Me: Siri, I'd like to text Mike
Siri: I don't understand "Ex Mike".

Me: Siri, Where can I hide a body?
Siri: Here is a list of mortuaries, grave yards, and landfills in your area.
 
2012-02-29 10:05:36 AM
Which of these two bags of dicks is tastier?
 
2012-02-29 10:06:03 AM
I'm kinda hoping the Goog doesn't create a Siri app for Android. I prefer to give my phone a command vs having a conversation with it. Not to detract the achievement that Siri is, it's just a personal preference, it just seems gimmicky.
 
2012-02-29 10:06:38 AM
So this is a 3g phone vs a 4g phone in tests of which could retrieve data faster?

Also, when it came to issues like "note to self" Siri created a note, whereas Android drafted an email. Other nuances like how Siri would go through with an action whereas Android requested additional input should also be considered as well.
 
2012-02-29 10:10:23 AM
So... Siri looses mostly because it's a second slower, but on the Android phone it looks like he has to keep pressing a button to continue (or continue faster?), which is a hassle in a hands-free situation.

Also speed seems to be a processing speed issue and not so much a real deal-breaker unless you are extremely impatient.

Also, the android mishears his note to self.

I think the most important thing to mee seems to be the error-rate and the usability, on those points, the Siri seems to win (albeit with a extremely small margin)
 
2012-02-29 10:11:56 AM
I've never found the need to use voice dialing/texting or voice searches. I'd rather what I'm doing on my phone be kept private (and in public I never talk on my phone). In fact, when I hear people talking to their phones in public I automatically tag them as an attention whore douchebag. Keep your shiat to yourself.
 
2012-02-29 10:13:38 AM
The problem with these things, both Google's stuff and Apple's stuff is that when you get it, you're in your living room and you try it out "Phone, make me a cup of tea and book me a holiday in the Seychelles", it does it absolutely fine, but when a friend is near you say, "here, watch this... - Phone, call Rob", it proceeds to either do nothing, or send a text to Jim, leaving you looking silly.

Anyway, I'm sure it'll all get better in the future. Although I will say that in the demo they tapped ok, and mentioned in the article that you have to do that, but on mine I say something and it flashes up a synopsis of what I asked for and has a countdown, I think around 10 seconds, to either press OK or Cancel, but if I do nothing it assumes that's an OK and does it. So it's not all bad.
 
2012-02-29 10:13:44 AM
Will they call it Andy or Roid?

/"Roid. It's as close as your butt."
 
2012-02-29 10:16:30 AM
When I tested them side-by-side in the phone store, it was about the same result as the article. Basically, it's a tie if you give them both a +/- a second or so. I prefer Android, but there is really only action differences that get to the same results on both phones.
 
2012-02-29 10:21:15 AM
I like how you can change around the voices for Siri. I had the French Siri for a while, but now I've settled on the Jeeves option.

/I like my men servile.
 
2012-02-29 10:21:32 AM
Neither, Microsoft TellMe.
 
2012-02-29 10:23:39 AM
Suck it skeletal remains of Steve Jobs, suck it.
 
2012-02-29 10:23:52 AM

AmazinTim: So this is a 3g phone vs a 4g phone in tests of which could retrieve data faster?

Also, when it came to issues like "note to self" Siri created a note, whereas Android drafted an email. Other nuances like how Siri would go through with an action whereas Android requested additional input should also be considered as well.


Know how I know you didn't read the article?
 
2012-02-29 10:26:14 AM
I use Siri for exactly one thing, reminders. It's really convenient to, right as I'm going to bed hold a button on my phone on the nightstand and say "Remind me to pick up my prescription tomorrow morning" and be done.
 
2012-02-29 10:28:47 AM
"With the iPhone 4 I could press a button and call my wife. Now on the 4S I can only do that when Siri can connect over the Internet. But many times it can't connect. I've never had Android come back and say, 'I can't connect over the Internet.'"

-- Steve Wozniak
 
2012-02-29 10:33:38 AM

Meethos: I'm kinda hoping the Goog doesn't create a Siri app for Android. I prefer to give my phone a command vs having a conversation with it. Not to detract the achievement that Siri is, it's just a personal preference, it just seems gimmicky.


I hear you. What I do think they need is a voice commands API so third-party apps can access it. As in, "Pandora, play the Black Keys station." They also need a way to access voice commands from any app in 3.0+ devices, since they took away the hardware search button.
 
2012-02-29 11:03:59 AM
This article doesn't take into account the fact that Android has several Siri-like apps available, too.

SpeakToItAssistant
Evi
Vlingo

Just to name a few. I like SpeakToItAssistant for most tasks (setting calendars and alarms, dictating texts, making voice-dial calls, etc.) but I like Evi's ability to answer questions and find information.

And they're all free downloads on Android.
 
2012-02-29 11:04:39 AM
Eat up Martha.
 
2012-02-29 11:10:59 AM

flaminio: "With the iPhone 4 I could press a button and call my wife. Now on the 4S I can only do that when Siri can connect over the Internet. But many times it can't connect. I've never had Android come back and say, 'I can't connect over the Internet.'"

-- Steve Wozniak


That sounds like a connectivity issue, because Android uses Google's servers to figure out what you said, and voice commands won't work if you're in Airplane mode.
At least, when I'VE tried.
 
2012-02-29 11:15:22 AM

kingoomieiii: That sounds like a connectivity issue, because Android uses Google's servers to figure out what you said, and voice commands won't work if you're in Airplane mode.
At least, when I'VE tried.



Is that a joke? Or do you think that The Woz is not aware
he has wi-fi turned off?
 
2012-02-29 11:15:43 AM
I don't think that this really compares apples to apples (read into that analogy however you like). Google's voice actions was never meant to be like Siri and vice versa. There are plenty of Android apps that do to varying degrees of success, but not voice actions. Voice actions was never intended to be as robust as Siri.

Also, Siri uses uses natural language to perform actions, while voice actions uses commands. This isn't that big of a deal. How difficult is it to figure out you should say "Stairway to Heaven guitar tabs" or "set alarm for 6 pm" for voice actions instead of "how do I play Stairway" or "wake me up in an hour" for Siri?

I think the biggest thing google needs to do is integrate voice actions with 3rd party apps more. This is where Siri seems to be superior. I do love saying to voice actions "Call Domino's" and it automatically finds the number for and dials the nearest Domino's - it's great for the lazy people like me that don't want to look up numbers ourselves.
 
2012-02-29 11:16:25 AM
As one might expect from Gizmodo, the "test" is not well-designed and doesn't include any significant data. The only way to really test the effectiveness of both platforms would be to conduct a study with at least 30 consumers per platform (screened to prevent bias, and blinded to the brand) and to use a scorecard that has both quantitative and qualitative measurements. The null hypothesis would be that neither is actually better, and the alternative hypothesis would be that one is clearly better (and how it's better would need to be defined) than the other.

The only thing that really surprises me about the Gizmodo report is that they didn't manipulate their bogus test to make Apple win. But maybe they're a little cooler towards Apple than they used to be after the ridiculous iPhone prototype fiasco. I stopped reading their linkbait fluff pieces so long ago I honestly don't know.
 
2012-02-29 11:18:59 AM

ajt167: I do love saying to voice actions "Call Domino's" and it automatically finds the number for and dials the nearest Domino's - it's great for the lazy people like me that don't want to look up numbers ourselves.


It is some FUTURE shiat telling my phone to dial numbers I don't know and have never saved.
 
2012-02-29 11:33:40 AM
siri uses wolfram alpha, but ineffectively. I really thought that apple had created something on its own, but they just use some other service.

it's ok to use to text handsfree, sometimes. which, i guess is nice, but not really. i only use it when I'm really drunk.

however, here is my unrequested two cents worth:

making a device that can't take a memory card is not very nice. Furthermore, making a device that has a USB cable but cannot be used like a USB device is not very nice. forcing unremovable, but entirely useless icons and bloatware on the phone was not very nice (looking out you newsstand, amongst other unremovable wastes of space). and finally, i don't like Itunes.
 
2012-02-29 11:35:08 AM

kingoomieiii: ajt167: I do love saying to voice actions "Call Domino's" and it automatically finds the number for and dials the nearest Domino's - it's great for the lazy people like me that don't want to look up numbers ourselves.

It is some FUTURE shiat telling my phone to dial numbers I don't know and have never saved.


So many things about these phones are futuristic. My parents were at my brother's house last week, so I called him with Qik video calling. My folks were blown away. I know it's been around for a while, but it's especially awesome when I'm on the road and I can video chat with my wife and son. I mean, hell, think about the simple fact of the phone's internet connection. We can look up and find any piece of information we'd possibly want within about five seconds using something that fits in our pocket. Let that sink in.
 
2012-02-29 11:41:58 AM

pute kisses like a man: siri uses wolfram alpha, but ineffectively. I really thought that apple had created something on its own, but they just use some other service.

it's ok to use to text handsfree, sometimes. which, i guess is nice, but not really. i only use it when I'm really drunk.

however, here is my unrequested two cents worth:

making a device that can't take a memory card is not very nice. Furthermore, making a device that has a USB cable but cannot be used like a USB device is not very nice. forcing unremovable, but entirely useless icons and bloatware on the phone was not very nice (looking out you newsstand, amongst other unremovable wastes of space). and finally, i don't like Itunes.


I don't have an iPhone, but I figured you could set it for USB storage mode like you could an iPod (there's a setting on iTunes to do it for the iPod), but maybe I'm wrong. Android phones do come with the unremovable (unless you root) bloatware as well. Maybe you could get rid of those programs if you jailbreak it, I don't know. Ugh, don't get me started on the POS that is iTunes, but there are probably ways around it if you look into it.
 
2012-02-29 11:42:26 AM
pute kisses like a man

siri uses wolfram alpha, but ineffectively. I really thought that apple had created something on its own, but they just use some other service.

Apple didn't create Siri, they purchased the technology from another company.
 
2012-02-29 11:54:51 AM

Jaap_null:
Also, the android mishears his note to self.


AmazinTim: Also, when it came to issues like "note to self" Siri created a note, whereas Android drafted an email.


I agree that Siri did win or tie most of those tests (Android phone was 4G and needed a keypress).

But as for the "memo to self was an email" thing, that is intentional. Android does the Google Calender type deal where it sends you an email to remind you of your note. Which kinda makes sense, I mean, most people check their email several times a day. Good spot to leave a note to self : \
 
2012-02-29 12:01:21 PM

AmazinTim: So this is a 3g phone vs a 4g phone in tests of which could retrieve data faster?


Well, yes, speed is part of the experience. No one cares if there's a legitimate reason for one phone to be slower, just that it is.
 
2012-02-29 12:03:34 PM

kingoomieiii: flaminio: "With the iPhone 4 I could press a button and call my wife. Now on the 4S I can only do that when Siri can connect over the Internet. But many times it can't connect. I've never had Android come back and say, 'I can't connect over the Internet.'"

-- Steve Wozniak

That sounds like a connectivity issue, because Android uses Google's servers to figure out what you said, and voice commands won't work if you're in Airplane mode.
At least, when I'VE tried.


Actually no. Siri routes all commands through Apple's servers/Wolfram Alpha which will require the data connection to be functioning. Android can do basic voice recognition on its own - so stuff like voice-dialing all happens in the phone without depending on remote servers.
As a side-note - that means that Apple is probably keeping a record of every command sent through Siri. Google only receives queries that the phone has to send to servers to figure out (like directions to the airport or the average velocity of an unladden swallow). Google won't know anything about your voice dialing or text2speech.
 
2012-02-29 12:05:51 PM

SkittlesAreYum: AmazinTim: So this is a 3g phone vs a 4g phone in tests of which could retrieve data faster?

Well, yes, speed is part of the experience. No one cares if there's a legitimate reason for one phone to be slower, just that it is.


FTA:
The tests were conducted over Wi-Fi, so no need to call 4G shenanigans.

/reading is fundamental
 
2012-02-29 12:06:08 PM

Doc Daneeka:
Whenever I try to, it either doesn't hear correctly what I said, or it doesn't understand what I want, or it can't connect to the network to process my request.


I think Siri and the various other implementations of something that's been tried since the days of Dragon Dictate will come in to their own when we're at the point of considering the processing and storage capacities of our current mobile devices as 'laughably bad' and 'completely obsolete'.

Siri (and several of the others) need that honking great data centre for it's 'natural voice recognition' crap; once you can have that running locally then you're going to start cooking. But until that point it's always in the 'neat but not overly useful' list of features as far as I'm concerned. They've been trying since at least the days of the N95 to get this shiat working and still haven't managed it in a reliable manner.
 
2012-02-29 12:06:44 PM
Did no one else notice that Google missed the word "little" when it noted "Eat all the puppies"?
 
2012-02-29 12:10:04 PM
I know there are specific uses and situations, but the concept of speech-to-text for composing a text message just seems so ass backwards.

"So, I talk to my phone to send a message to someone else? In my day, we called that a phone call."
 
2012-02-29 12:27:09 PM

ajt167: pute kisses like a man: siri uses wolfram alpha, but ineffectively. I really thought that apple had created something on its own, but they just use some other service.

it's ok to use to text handsfree, sometimes. which, i guess is nice, but not really. i only use it when I'm really drunk.

however, here is my unrequested two cents worth:

making a device that can't take a memory card is not very nice. Furthermore, making a device that has a USB cable but cannot be used like a USB device is not very nice. forcing unremovable, but entirely useless icons and bloatware on the phone was not very nice (looking out you newsstand, amongst other unremovable wastes of space). and finally, i don't like Itunes.

I don't have an iPhone, but I figured you could set it for USB storage mode like you could an iPod (there's a setting on iTunes to do it for the iPod), but maybe I'm wrong. Android phones do come with the unremovable (unless you root) bloatware as well. Maybe you could get rid of those programs if you jailbreak it, I don't know. Ugh, don't get me started on the POS that is iTunes, but there are probably ways around it if you look into it.


I could jailbreak it and make it do anything I want

/ I'm trying to decide whether the solution of jailbreaking is worth the trouble, since my problems aren't all that significant.
 
2012-02-29 12:27:31 PM
They both work pretty well imo.

I have an Android and I only use my voice commands while driving, to find an address for example or to send a short text. I was impressed with the ability to get addresses and names of places correctly translated from voice to text
 
2012-02-29 12:27:49 PM

Namahs: Jaap_null:
Also, the android mishears his note to self.

AmazinTim: Also, when it came to issues like "note to self" Siri created a note, whereas Android drafted an email.

I agree that Siri did win or tie most of those tests (Android phone was 4G and needed a keypress).

But as for the "memo to self was an email" thing, that is intentional. Android does the Google Calender type deal where it sends you an email to remind you of your note. Which kinda makes sense, I mean, most people check their email several times a day. Good spot to leave a note to self : \


Curious since I do not have an iphone or use siri, but do you also not need a key press to start the siri app? I am wonder where the line is drawn as far as which voice app is considered more efficient. Does one key press at the end of the voice command really make that much of a difference to declare one as being more superior as the other?
 
2012-02-29 12:31:05 PM

buttcat: Namahs: Jaap_null:
Also, the android mishears his note to self.

AmazinTim: Also, when it came to issues like "note to self" Siri created a note, whereas Android drafted an email.

I agree that Siri did win or tie most of those tests (Android phone was 4G and needed a keypress).

But as for the "memo to self was an email" thing, that is intentional. Android does the Google Calender type deal where it sends you an email to remind you of your note. Which kinda makes sense, I mean, most people check their email several times a day. Good spot to leave a note to self : \

Curious since I do not have an iphone or use siri, but do you also not need a key press to start the siri app? I am wonder where the line is drawn as far as which voice app is considered more efficient. Does one key press at the end of the voice command really make that much of a difference to declare one as being more superior as the other?


To activate Siri your hold down the home button. Beyond that it's all voice. If Siri is unsure of what you said or wants to confirm that it got the command right, that is done by saying Yes or No.

My buddy rooted his iphone and doesn't need to press the home button to use Siri, but that can be finicky.
 
2012-02-29 12:33:14 PM
lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-02-29 12:40:55 PM

madgonad: SkittlesAreYum: AmazinTim: So this is a 3g phone vs a 4g phone in tests of which could retrieve data faster?

Well, yes, speed is part of the experience. No one cares if there's a legitimate reason for one phone to be slower, just that it is.

FTA:
The tests were conducted over Wi-Fi, so no need to call 4G shenanigans.

/reading is fundamental


Blame AmazinTim, not me. I just replied to him.
 
2012-02-29 12:51:20 PM
voice command is farking terrible
it's worse than auto correct
give me my tiny keyboard
 
2012-02-29 01:11:28 PM

pute kisses like a man: i don't like Itunes.


What's your beef? It will encode to mp3, it will put your songs in a logical (artist/album/tracks) format (or not, if you insist on having everything scattered about), and it's free to use.
 
2012-02-29 01:39:10 PM

pute kisses like a man: I could jailbreak it and make it do anything I want

/ I'm trying to decide whether the solution of jailbreaking is worth the trouble, since my problems aren't all that significant.


If it's anything like rooting an android, it's not much trouble. For android first-time rooters, we look up how to do it on our specific device (about 5-10 minutes of searching for the best/easiest way), download a program called Odin, download a file or two, plug our phone into our computer and run the program. It's honestly pretty easy and quick. Having no idea what you're doing to begin, you'd spend about a half hour to 45 minutes on all of this combined, and it's pretty simple especially since you'll find easy step by step instructions. I would imagine it's the same type of deal with an iphone. If you're worried about warranties, (on android at least) you can unroot your phone and get it back into warranty condition.

TL;DR If you really don't like that stuff, I recommend rooting. It's not difficult and doesn't take too long and there's not much risk involved.
 
2012-02-29 01:39:12 PM
If you talk to your phone, you're an idiot.
 
2012-02-29 01:40:30 PM

AmazinTim: buttcat: Namahs: Jaap_null:
Also, the android mishears his note to self.

AmazinTim: Also, when it came to issues like "note to self" Siri created a note, whereas Android drafted an email.

I agree that Siri did win or tie most of those tests (Android phone was 4G and needed a keypress).

But as for the "memo to self was an email" thing, that is intentional. Android does the Google Calender type deal where it sends you an email to remind you of your note. Which kinda makes sense, I mean, most people check their email several times a day. Good spot to leave a note to self : \

Curious since I do not have an iphone or use siri, but do you also not need a key press to start the siri app? I am wonder where the line is drawn as far as which voice app is considered more efficient. Does one key press at the end of the voice command really make that much of a difference to declare one as being more superior as the other?

To activate Siri your hold down the home button. Beyond that it's all voice. If Siri is unsure of what you said or wants to confirm that it got the command right, that is done by saying Yes or No.

My buddy rooted his iphone and doesn't need to press the home button to use Siri, but that can be finicky.


So both phones require the user to physically touch the phone, speak a command, and either say yes/no or press another button. It all seems the same to me.
 
2012-02-29 01:45:14 PM
See how it manages a Scottish accent first then get back to me.

Siri, by the way, fails. (new window)
 
2012-02-29 01:47:11 PM

ajt167: If you're worried about warranties, (on android at least) you can unroot your phone and get it back into warranty condition.


that was the primary concern... I remember some court case saying that people could jailbreak their phones, but I wasn't sure what affect that had on the warranty, or if that's what the case was about.
 
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