Any War on _________ is a failure.

DarwiOdrade: The war on drugs everywhere has been a dismal failure, a complete waste of money, and a big payday for the booming privately run overcrowded prison industry.

You can thank the cotton, alcohol and tobacco industry.

Failure isn't the right word. I think Quagmire (and not the giggity giggity variety) would be the appropriate word to describe it.

She issued the same statement yesterday, evidently.

Keep selling that lie, Janet.

a lie like that would be self-oxidized, Sumbitter, so her pants would ignite anyway.

DAMNIT JANET!!

If we only spent a few billion more tax dollars on this war we could finally live in a world without Mexican drugs.

Just wait until the Wall Street/Cartel/Black Market connection is broken. We'll have money laundromats popping up everywhere. How many wars are we up to now? And still no Zombie Apocalypse? It has to be an asteroid or bird flu! Come on big guy, drop the hammer!

What about the War on Repeats

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DAMNIT JANET!!

She was so cute back then...

Throw more money at it. I'm sure Drugs will surrender soon.

Pretty sure that the War on Drugs is a failure in both Mexico and the US.

Tell those slaughtered families what a success it is.

called the drug policies of both Mexico and the United States "a continuing effort to keep our peoples from becoming addicted to dangerous drugs."

Which is, of course, why we keep weed illegal. Nothing helps keep people off of dangerous and addictive drugs like banning something that's neither dangerous nor addictive. I'm sure the cartels are totally spending all their weed money on gumdrops and candy canes. They'd never use it to buy weapons.

thurstonxhowell: called the drug policies of both Mexico and the United States "a continuing effort to keep our peoples from becoming addicted to dangerous drugs."

Which is, of course, why we keep weed illegal. Nothing helps keep people off of dangerous and addictive drugs like banning something that's neither dangerous nor addictive. I'm sure the cartels are totally spending all their weed money on gumdrops and candy canes. They'd never use it to buy weapons.

Exactly. I mean, its only 50-60% of the cartels income. I am sure they just reinvest in renewable energy and green companies to grow their portfolio.

But, just look at all the HELMETS they seized! Obviously we have WON!

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BigTexas: thurstonxhowell: called the drug policies of both Mexico and the United States "a continuing effort to keep our peoples from becoming addicted to dangerous drugs."

Which is, of course, why we keep weed illegal. Nothing helps keep people off of dangerous and addictive drugs like banning something that's neither dangerous nor addictive. I'm sure the cartels are totally spending all their weed money on gumdrops and candy canes. They'd never use it to buy weapons.

Exactly. I mean, its only 50-60% of the cartels income. I am sure they just reinvest in renewable energy and green companies to grow their portfolio.

If you legalize weed, they'll just sell something else. I don't think any government in its right mind would legalize cocaine/heroin/etc.

Legalization's fun to think about, but it doesn't even scratch the core of the problem in Mexico, which is that there are some serious hard-pipe-hittin' mofos, trained by the US military, who decided to get themselves some of this lucrative drug action rather than going into the private miltiary business.

thurstonxhowell: called the drug policies of both Mexico and the United States "a continuing effort to keep our peoples from becoming addicted to dangerous drugs."

Which is, of course, why we keep weed illegal. Nothing helps keep people off of dangerous and addictive drugs like banning something that's neither dangerous nor addictive. I'm sure the cartels are totally spending all their weed money on gumdrops and candy canes. They'd never use it to buy weapons.

Gateway drug. Didn't you know that once you try weed you'll eventually be sucking dick for crack money?

/my gateway to drugs happened to be alcohol and cigarettes

ExcedrinHeadache: BigTexas: thurstonxhowell: called the drug policies of both Mexico and the United States "a continuing effort to keep our peoples from becoming addicted to dangerous drugs."

Which is, of course, why we keep weed illegal. Nothing helps keep people off of dangerous and addictive drugs like banning something that's neither dangerous nor addictive. I'm sure the cartels are totally spending all their weed money on gumdrops and candy canes. They'd never use it to buy weapons.

Exactly. I mean, its only 50-60% of the cartels income. I am sure they just reinvest in renewable energy and green companies to grow their portfolio.

If you legalize weed, they'll just sell something else. I don't think any government in its right mind would legalize cocaine/heroin/etc.

Legalization's fun to think about, but it doesn't even scratch the core of the problem in Mexico, which is that there are some serious hard-pipe-hittin' mofos, trained by the US military, who decided to get themselves some of this lucrative drug action rather than going into the private miltiary business.

Heroin/crack/meth never have been and never will be as popular or lucrative as weed. And the notion that they will simply diversify into the harder stuff is ludicrous; they are already selling the dangerous drugs.

This is the same stupid biatch that says the border is "more secure than ever:. Give me a farking break.

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: thurstonxhowell: called the drug policies of both Mexico and the United States "a continuing effort to keep our peoples from becoming addicted to dangerous drugs."

Which is, of course, why we keep weed illegal. Nothing helps keep people off of dangerous and addictive drugs like banning something that's neither dangerous nor addictive. I'm sure the cartels are totally spending all their weed money on gumdrops and candy canes. They'd never use it to buy weapons.

Gateway drug. Didn't you know that once you try weed you'll eventually be sucking dick for crack money?


My wife works for the county courthouse where I live. She's always telling me stories about kids who finally get hauled off to jail after their 6th or 7th drug offense. It always, ALWAYS starts off with marijuana and progresses from there. Anyone who apologizes for pot smokers saying it's not a gateway to anything is fooling themself.

How to win the War on Drugs:

1. Legalize government (and only government, no privatizing!) supplied drugs to legal adults.
2. Erect government centers that provide the drugs and a place to do them in a controlled environment safely away from the general public.
3. Tax, tax, tax! Profit, profit, profit!

Upsides:
1. Oh hey, fixed that deficit thing you keep yammering about since most of the damned nation is on something or rather right now anyways.
2. Bad guys no longer get income worth a shiat, be they local criminals or foreign opium dealers.
3. JOBS! (Legal drug farmers, drug manufacturers, center workers)
4. Darwin weeds the pool out nicely... Morons too stupid/weak to moderate now have carte blanche to overdose. The smart ones get off it. (Hey, more jobs for the Funeral/Rehab industries.)

Not the only one that thinks this way, by far the best idea concerning drugs to be had...

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: thurstonxhowell: called the drug policies of both Mexico and the United States "a continuing effort to keep our peoples from becoming addicted to dangerous drugs."

Which is, of course, why we keep weed illegal. Nothing helps keep people off of dangerous and addictive drugs like banning something that's neither dangerous nor addictive. I'm sure the cartels are totally spending all their weed money on gumdrops and candy canes. They'd never use it to buy weapons.

Gateway drug. Didn't you know that once you try weed you'll eventually be sucking dick for crack money?


My wife works for the county courthouse where I live. She's always telling me stories about kids who finally get hauled off to jail after their 6th or 7th drug offense. It always, ALWAYS starts off with marijuana and progresses from there. Anyone who apologizes for pot smokers saying it's not a gateway to anything is fooling themself.

I don't dispute that pot is probably the first drug kids do today. but your wife is familiar with the backgrounds of all the kids to know that they smoked pot first? Or was it just the first thing they all get busted with? Your wife's anecdotal evidence isn't proof of jack, and wouldn't hold up in the courthouse she works at. Plus that doesn't tell us anything about kids that might smoke that never go on to do harder drugs, so it was never a gateway to anything.
What you seem to be saying, is that if pot didn't exist those kids would do anything else? Give me break. If your gonna do drugs your gonna do drugs. I don't believe there is a true "gateway" drug. The gateway drug is most likely the drug that is easiest to get - and the least scary. People really like pot and millions of people have no problem with it - for adults. Of course they see that. Kids want to do what adults do and like. And they know pot doesn't totally fark you up like most drugs do. If they could get alcohol but not pot, guess what they would be drinking like we did. If they can't get either they would be doing something much worse than pot, like sniffing clue.
My 16 year old will tell you that alcohol is really hard to get, but could easily get pot anytime. Probably because alcohol is legal and is much more regulated and with controlled distribution. If pot wasn't a black market item distributed by criminals and sold only to adults like booze, I suspect we would see those numbers of kids smoking drop, because they probably couldn't get it any easier than booze..I think you would see the numbers of minors using drugs drop if it was legal.
I would even suggest much harsher penalties for contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
Legalization of pot is win-win

None of this is to say that we can't try prevent kids from doing drugs (alcohol is a drug). And of course I don't want to see my kid, or any kid, doing drugs, but honestly if he is going to experiment or whatever it is that drives people to want to feel different than they do - it's why people use drugs for recreational, to feel different or escape for whatever reason, I think pot is a much better alternative than alcohol. Alcohol really kind of sucks. It's way worse on your body than pot. Plus you do way more stupid dangerous shiat when drunk.

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: My wife works for the county courthouse where I live. She's always telling me stories about kids who finally get hauled off to jail after their 6th or 7th drug offense. It always, ALWAYS starts off with marijuana and progresses from there. Anyone who apologizes for pot smokers saying it's not a gateway to anything is fooling themself.

Your argument fails on two parts:

1) Correlation is not causation. The same people likely to become users of hard drugs are likely to be users of other drugs, which are easier and cheaper.
2) You are assuming that this group of users represents a significant portion of marijuana users.

You will probably find that most of those people started drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco before using any other drugs. That does not mean that alcohol and tobacco are gateway drugs, just cheaper and easier to acquire with fewer penalties from using.

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: thurstonxhowell: called the drug policies of both Mexico and the United States "a continuing effort to keep our peoples from becoming addicted to dangerous drugs."

Which is, of course, why we keep weed illegal. Nothing helps keep people off of dangerous and addictive drugs like banning something that's neither dangerous nor addictive. I'm sure the cartels are totally spending all their weed money on gumdrops and candy canes. They'd never use it to buy weapons.

Gateway drug. Didn't you know that once you try weed you'll eventually be sucking dick for crack money?


My wife works for the county courthouse where I live. She's always telling me stories about kids who finally get hauled off to jail after their 6th or 7th drug offense. It always, ALWAYS starts off with marijuana and progresses from there. Anyone who apologizes for pot smokers saying it's not a gateway to anything is fooling themself.

I don't dispute that pot is probably the first drug kids do today. but your wife is familiar with the backgrounds of all the kids to know that they smoked pot first? Or was it just the first thing they all get busted with? Your wife's anecdotal evidence isn't proof of jack, and wouldn't hold up in the courthouse she works at. Plus that doesn't tell us anything about kids that might smoke that never go on to do harder drugs, so it was never a gateway to anything.
What you seem to be saying, is that if pot didn't exist those kids would do anything else? Give me break. If your gonna do drugs your gonna do drugs. I don't believe there is a true "gateway" drug. The gateway drug is most likely the drug that is easiest to get - and the least scary. People really like pot and millions of people have no problem with it - for adults. Of course they see that. Kids want to do what adults do and like. And they know pot doesn't totally fark you up like most drugs do. If they could get alcohol but not pot, guess ...

Being a fairly small town ( pop 30,000 ) she actually IS familiar with many of their backgrounds.

You also said that a gateway drug is most likely the easiest one to get, and the least scary, then went on to say that your 16 year old has a really hard time scoring alcohol. You're making my argument for me without even realizing it.

dywed88: The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: My wife works for the county courthouse where I live. She's always telling me stories about kids who finally get hauled off to jail after their 6th or 7th drug offense. It always, ALWAYS starts off with marijuana and progresses from there. Anyone who apologizes for pot smokers saying it's not a gateway to anything is fooling themself.

Your argument fails on two parts:

1) Correlation is not causation. The same people likely to become users of hard drugs are likely to be users of other drugs, which are easier and cheaper.
2) You are assuming that this group of users represents a significant portion of marijuana users.

You will probably find that most of those people started drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco before using any other drugs. That does not mean that alcohol and tobacco are gateway drugs, just cheaper and easier to acquire with fewer penalties from using.

I didn't say that every recreational marijuana user moves on to harder stuff. What I said was that of those who do and get run through the legal system, their first serious run in with the law is over marijuana and it moves up the scale from there until the judge finally gets tired of looking at them and puts em away for a while.

You said marijuana was definitively a "gateway drug".

The "gateway drug" argument is that the use of marijuana causes people to use harder drugs. Not that people using harder drugs first used marijuana.

If there is no causation (only correlation), then there is no reason to restrict access marijuana. If fact it would be an incentive to loosen restrictions as it would be preferable if people kept using marijuana. It would also remove marijuana users from social groups pressuring them to use hard drugs.