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(Yahoo)   The Most Dangerous National Park in America: Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument, where the Park Rangers take you on tours armed with M14 rifles, Yogi   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 98
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2012-02-28 11:35:24 PM  
So many angles here. On one hand we could take their power away by getting rid of the insane prohibition policies but on the other I want us to take these guys out for being so brazen.
 
wee
2012-02-28 11:52:35 PM  
Have to admit, M14 is a good choice. I love mine, though it's not all scoped-out and tactical and whatever. Certain guns need to have wood on them, I think.

Also, pot being illegal is retarded.
 
2012-02-28 11:56:13 PM  
At first I thought the headline was a boo-boo.
 
2012-02-29 12:41:40 AM  
The Sad tag is so appropriate.
 
2012-02-29 01:09:04 AM  
1) Create a drug-free zone stretching 20 miles into our side of the border.
2) Inform the public in a massive PR campaign that after a 6-month grace period, anyone found illegally possessing a controlled substance within that zone will be summarily executed on the spot.
3) Do it.

If this really is a "war on drugs", then it needs to be treated as such. If not, then we need to collectively admit that we cannot win and take steps to legalize these substances. The current tactics not only do not work, they exacerbate the problem by spreading it further and provoking more violence against ill-equipped law enforcement personnel and innocent bystanders. One way or the other, we need to stop wasting lives and money on this.
 
2012-02-29 02:00:38 AM  
Hey, it's Arizona. Everyone can bring their weapon of choice.
 
2012-02-29 02:02:43 AM  

Harv72b: 1) Create a drug-free zone stretching 20 miles into our side of the border.
2) Inform the public in a massive PR campaign that after a 6-month grace period, anyone found illegally possessing a controlled substance within that zone will be summarily executed on the spot.
3) Do it.

If this really is a "war on drugs", then it needs to be treated as such. If not, then we need to collectively admit that we cannot win and take steps to legalize these substances. The current tactics not only do not work, they exacerbate the problem by spreading it further and provoking more violence against ill-equipped law enforcement personnel and innocent bystanders. One way or the other, we need to stop wasting lives and money on this.


It's a war in name only. A WINO, so to speak.
 
2012-02-29 02:04:02 AM  
 
2012-02-29 04:07:23 AM  
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter ...
 
2012-02-29 04:09:33 AM  
www.wwoz.org

Give this New Orleans park a walk through after dark.

No, please don't. Unless you like getting robbed.
 
2012-02-29 04:13:54 AM  
Organ runners are despicable.

A friend of mine woke up in a bathtub with her kidneys removed sitting in ice.

And if you ask me, it's outrageous that traffic violations are punishable by death.
 
2012-02-29 04:25:43 AM  

khhsdude: Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter ...


No shiat. The most dangerous thing in that park is the sun. It'll bake your brain into a bubbling mass of jelly by two in the afternoon.
 
2012-02-29 04:40:25 AM  

Bonzo_1116: khhsdude: Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter ...

No shiat. The most dangerous thing in that park is the sun. It'll bake your brain into a bubbling mass of jelly by two in the afternoon.


I spent 3 years stationed at Ft. Irwin, in the California desert. Between us (Opposing Forces), visiting units, and random civilians in the general area, we averaged about one fatality per month in the training area. Most were relatively "normal" training accidents, but I can remember at least 6 deaths caused only by the desert (and some stupidity).
 
2012-02-29 05:19:36 AM  

khhsdude: Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter ...


Damn smoothskin.
 
2012-02-29 05:32:17 AM  
M-14's or M1A's?

/There is a difference.
/Fantastic choice of rifle, either way.
 
2012-02-29 05:54:55 AM  
Organ Pipe is out in the middle of farking nowhere. The closest major city is three hours away. The stretch of border out there is desert, desert, and more desert, with a lot of nothing desert and rocky desert hills in-between. It can get to 120 in the summer out there. It's hell's back porch.
 
2012-02-29 06:02:43 AM  
way south: M-14's or M1A's?

/There is a difference.
/Fantastic choice of rifle, either way.


IIRC, an M-14 is select fire (Safe-Semi-Auto), while an M1A is a semi-auto only rifle.
 
2012-02-29 06:10:25 AM  
"...was shot and killed while pursuing drug runners armed with AK-47s in 2002."

I think I see teh problem here.
 
2012-02-29 06:12:20 AM  

wee: Have to admit, M14 is a good choice. I love mine, though it's not all scoped-out and tactical and whatever. Certain guns need to have wood on them, I think.

Also, pot being illegal is retarded.


I think imported herb is retarded and should remain illegal. The homegrown US herb is the best.

...and my magpul M4 in 5.56 NATO is my choice.
 
2012-02-29 06:15:54 AM  
That was actually a well written article. Engaging, good narrative with more or less unbiased facts reported throughout to give substance and heft to the smaller, easily relatable story of going on a park tour. Pleasantly refreshing.

And I expect gun porn. M14s are always sexy, good choice of rifle for a long range desert engagement.
 
2012-02-29 06:16:52 AM  
How's that virtual border wall working out for you?

"See, there's a wall here but it's invisible. It works much better than a real wall"
 
2012-02-29 06:33:17 AM  

BronyMedic: way south: M-14's or M1A's?

/There is a difference.
/Fantastic choice of rifle, either way.

IIRC, an M-14 is select fire (Safe-Semi-Auto), while an M1A is a semi-auto only rifle.


Correct. The M1a is the civilian version and the original M14 is a fearsome beast when unleashed, but the latter is relatively rare.
Thanks to the FOPA, the difference in street value is insane.

H31N0US: "...was shot and killed while pursuing drug runners armed with AK-47s in 2002."

I think I see teh problem here.


He probably wasnt aware of their armament or intent at the time.
Besides, the AK47 is highly overrated.

/never has a rifle, found on so many dead soldiers, been held in such high esteem.
 
2012-02-29 06:55:11 AM  
Yeah open borders!
 
2012-02-29 07:11:55 AM  

way south: never has a rifle, found on so many dead soldiers, been held in such high esteem.


Heh.

I think it's mystique is largely built upon it's reputation for going *BANG* every time you pull the trigger. That, and a bit of revolutionary Che-chic has rubbed off on it.
 
2012-02-29 07:12:26 AM  
Hey! Did anyone notice the story's author looks like she could use having her borders checked?
 
2012-02-29 07:13:46 AM  
The big issue is not if you agree with a drug law but the loss of US government control over US territory to what is essentially a foreign force armed withe automatic weapons. This is no longer a law enforecment issue but a military one. A good use of those US troops and drones back from Iraq would be re-establishing US Sovereignty over US territory. A Military force full of Iraq and Afghan veterans should be able to handle drug cartels .Forget about the war on terror militarize the border until it is back under US control and then hand it back over to law enforcement. If that means drone strikes and Speciall Ops raids into Mexico so be it.

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This should be an election issue regardless of party. The GOP could run campaign adds pointing to Mexican Drug cartels control of US territory and the Democrats coudl respond with but, but, butBush (Because he was a failure on this issue also)

This is not just about pot and I favor legalization not becuase I use the stuff (I regard anybody who does as an idiot) but there is more coming acorss the border than just pot. Of course the stoners and druggies could do their part by boycotting ther improtes tuff and just buy American. The left has been great at boycotting Arizona, lettuce South Africa , TV and radio shows etc. Why not do something really meaningfull with your boycotts?
 
2012-02-29 07:15:00 AM  
dittybopper: way south: never has a rifle, found on so many dead soldiers, been held in such high esteem.

Heh.

I think it's mystique is largely built upon it's reputation for going *BANG* every time you pull the trigger. That, and a bit of revolutionary Che-chic has rubbed off on it.


This. Weapons built off the AR-10/AR-15 design, such as the M-4 and M-16, function very well at their job, but only if they are kept up immaculately. You could abuse an AK-47 up to plugging the barrel and it'd still fire when you pulled the trigger, and it'd probibly shoot the barrel plug out and keep firing if you did that.
 
2012-02-29 07:17:20 AM  
Those rangers need to go to jail. Enforcing the borders is racist.
 
2012-02-29 07:19:31 AM  
Korean-style DMZ is needed.

Two miles of barbed wire, land mines, and gun nests. Kills two birds with one stone--illegals and drugs.
 
2012-02-29 07:21:33 AM  

wee: Have to admit, M14 is a good choice. I love mine, though it's not all scoped-out and tactical and whatever. Certain guns need to have wood on them, I think.


farm6.static.flickr.com
I have both an M1 and a M1A. (like above). I don't miss the wood. Losing some of that weight isn't a bad thing.

Also this doesn't suffer from lack of wood at all:
www.athenswater.com
 
2012-02-29 07:30:05 AM  
I think it's time that we put an end to this prohibition and run the cartels into some different pursuits.
 
2012-02-29 07:35:44 AM  

BronyMedic: You could abuse an AK-47 up to plugging the barrel and it'd still fire when you pulled the trigger, and it'd probibly shoot the barrel plug out and keep firing if you did that.


I wouldn't recommend doing that. AK style guns are rugged and will fire when others tend to fail, largely because of the tolerances they were built with, but shooting any gun with a plugged bore is a very bad idea. Here is a video of an AK that goes 'kablooey'.

I'm trying to think of a reason why that happened, btw. A squib load resulting in a bullet that got stuck in the barrel doesn't seem plausible. It would have to get stuck *AFTER* it hit the gas port, resulting in enough gas to chamber the next round. Even so, I can imagine that destroying the barrel, but not the whole gun.

Another possibility, I suppose, is sabotaged ammunition, in which case I would laugh.
 
2012-02-29 07:36:22 AM  

MythDragon:
Also this doesn't suffer from lack of wood at all:
[www.athenswater.com image 640x208]


Speaking of wood...
 
2012-02-29 07:46:17 AM  
I love this desert Park, but I've not been able to use it for my hobby of astrophotography in the past 12 years due to the dangers of the smugglers. Who wants to be out in the middle of the night when someone walks up on you possibly armed and ready to kill? Last big trip I made was to Big Bend and yep I was armed the entire time, even when a park ranger stopped by to remind me not to have any loaded firearms on me, an unloaded firearm locked in my trunk was okay though (yeah right). the next day a helicopter buzzed over my remote campsite, and about 30 minutes later a bunch of Border Patrol and Park Rangers drove through, they were on there way to retrieve a dead body in the desert, they weren't sure if it was from violence or dehydration at the time, never did find out. They said it was 5 miles South of where I had set up for 6 days to do some astronomy and astrophotography. Scary that our own parks aren't safe from the drug violence anymore in the South West.
 
2012-02-29 07:47:52 AM  

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: wee: Have to admit, M14 is a good choice. I love mine, though it's not all scoped-out and tactical and whatever. Certain guns need to have wood on them, I think.

Also, pot being illegal is retarded.

I think imported herb is retarded and should remain illegal. The homegrown US herb is the best.



I LOVED my M14. Heavy, wood, shot great. Felt modern, but also a throwback to the old M1s.

You are right, our dependence on foreign weed is despicable. BRING HOME PRODUCTION!
 
2012-02-29 07:48:41 AM  
Why is there is even a border at all, they deserve this land as much as us. We have to respect their culture. I mean how can a person be illegal?
 
2012-02-29 07:53:30 AM  
My M1A is the best damn rifle I have ever fired. Accurate as all hell (you don't need a scope) and reliable as can be. Packs a good punch too. 5.56 rounds are just BB guns.
 
2012-02-29 08:04:22 AM  
Oh ya, scratching most everything south of I-40 off the list.
 
2012-02-29 08:11:04 AM  

Harv72b: 1) Create a drug-free zone stretching 20 miles into our side of the border.
2) Inform the public in a massive PR campaign that after a 6-month grace period, anyone found illegally possessing a controlled substance within that zone will be summarily executed on the spot.
3) Do it.

If this really is a "war on drugs", then it needs to be treated as such. If not, then we need to collectively admit that we cannot win and take steps to legalize these substances. The current tactics not only do not work, they exacerbate the problem by spreading it further and provoking more violence against ill-equipped law enforcement personnel and innocent bystanders. One way or the other, we need to stop wasting lives and money on this.


Yes, because killing the mules who are already likely to be kidnapping victims is really going to make the drug lords think twice...
More like it will drive up prices and hence profits for successful trips leading to increased violence on both sides of the border. Heck they're already using freaking submarines, make it more profitable and pretty soon you're looking at an actual narco military on our southern border.
 
2012-02-29 08:16:49 AM  
robodog: Yes, because killing the mules who are already likely to be kidnapping victims is really going to make the drug lords think twice...
More like it will drive up prices and hence profits for successful trips leading to increased violence on both sides of the border. Heck they're already using freaking submarines, make it more profitable and pretty soon you're looking at an actual narco military on our southern border.


The mules aren't the ones who are armed. The enforcers that travel with the mules are, and they're not nice people. Their either corrupt mexican police/military, or street gang members who are allied with the cartels.

And they are not using "submarines" in a military sense, they're using home built semi-submersables that are slow, not stealthy, and highly visible from the air.

"Narco Military"? I'd like to introduce you to the kind of wholesale slaughter the US Military likes to visit on brown people when unleashed. 160,000 Iraqis could tell you about it in detail if they weren't dead.
 
2012-02-29 08:21:44 AM  
You guys are way too serious this morning. Here, smell my finger

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2012-02-29 08:22:59 AM  

duffblue: Why is there is even a border at all, they deserve this land as much as us. We have to respect their culture. I mean how can a person be illegal?


I can't tell if you're trolling or not here. Do you really think we should allow anyone free access to our country? Would you openly invite a violent group of people into your house?
 
2012-02-29 08:32:30 AM  

bearcats1983: duffblue: Why is there is even a border at all, they deserve this land as much as us. We have to respect their culture. I mean how can a person be illegal?

I can't tell if you're trolling or not here. Do you really think we should allow anyone free access to our country? Would you openly invite a violent group of people into your house?


What just because these people have different values then us means we shouldn't let them in?
 
2012-02-29 08:34:03 AM  
There was a line in there about how the rangers were putting their lives on the line for the tourists.
Ah, here it is: "Please be respectful that those people are putting themselves on the line for us."

Thanks, guys, but I'll not be going to this park to see some cool cactus if a park ranger has to put his life on the line for me to see it. I'll stick with pictures.
 
2012-02-29 08:37:04 AM  
Obliq. (new window)
 
2012-02-29 08:52:07 AM  
Since Parks is part of the Agriculture Department, maybe some of those "Agriculture" consultants who work for the CIA could use their Rambo skills on the Frontera. Just kidding.

They just need to take the special protect Monsanto its genetically modified food police and redeploy them, since the drugs are presumably agricultural product and there may be some unlicensed GM marijuana or cocaine coming in.
 
2012-02-29 08:53:17 AM  

Chevello: Thanks, guys, but I'll not be going to this park to see some cool cactus if a park ranger has to put his life on the line for me to see it. I'll stick with pictures.


Gimme an M-60 to carry and a few cans of ammo. I'll tote it around and take pics of what ever. No prob.
 
2012-02-29 08:54:00 AM  
But I thought we're winning the war on drugs?
 
2012-02-29 09:01:00 AM  

vudukungfu: Chevello: Thanks, guys, but I'll not be going to this park to see some cool cactus if a park ranger has to put his life on the line for me to see it. I'll stick with pictures.

Gimme an M-60 to carry and a few cans of ammo. I'll tote it around and take pics of what ever. No prob.


If you are going to carry around a machine gun, wouldn't you rather carry around a reliable one instead?
 
2012-02-29 09:07:03 AM  

crispyone: But I thought we're winning the war on drugs?


On every front of each sector Brother.

Victory is at hand!
 
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