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(KREM Spokane)   City council of Spokane votes "HELL NO" to a plan to rehire with back pay a police officer convicted of DUI hit and run   (krem.com) divider line 142
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2012-02-28 11:30:03 PM  
Sounds like some cop didn't punch the right people in the face.
 
2012-02-29 12:39:12 AM  
Don't worry, they'll hire him back as a consultant with thrice the pay.

/I just like the word "thrice."
 
2012-02-29 12:42:36 AM  
Read the article, by voting no, they opened themselves up to a lawsuit that could cost them a lot more.
 
2012-02-29 12:47:59 AM  
Good to know exercising some common farking sense will earn me hero status in Spokane.
 
2012-02-29 12:48:14 AM  
MONTY ROBINSON APPROVES!


Link (THE frkk MONTY)
 
2012-02-29 12:48:26 AM  

9beers: Read the article, by voting no, they opened themselves up to a lawsuit that could cost them a lot more.


Saving face is better for re-election. If this happened in 3 months, he would definitely be back with mum's the word.
 
2012-02-29 12:48:30 AM  
9beers,Read the article, by voting no, they opened themselves up to a lawsuit that could cost them a lot more.

Sometimes standing on principle is the right thing to do. Let the douchebag sue.
 
2012-02-29 12:49:14 AM  
I don't get it. Why would this even need to be discussed?
 
2012-02-29 12:49:46 AM  

Enemabag Jones: Sometimes standing on principle is the right thing to do.


Usually not when you're running a city.
 
2012-02-29 12:50:45 AM  
The cop made over $90k/year? Damn.
 
2012-02-29 12:50:50 AM  
Taking a stand? In MY Spokompton?
 
2012-02-29 12:51:12 AM  
wow good thing for the filter. i hit two k's instead of two l's..
should say the full monty.

have a read up on that ASSCLOWN... or google "Monty Robinson"
 
2012-02-29 12:52:35 AM  
This really isn't fair to the cop. Suddenly cops can't do whatever the hell they want with impunity? He should sue them for moving the goal posts like that.
 
2012-02-29 12:52:40 AM  

The last name I had was pretty gay...: I don't get it. Why would this even need to be discussed?


because police corruption in North America is out of hand?
 
2012-02-29 12:53:10 AM  
FTFA: Last week, Mayor David Condon had asked the Council to table the item, while the State Human Rights Commission proceeds with an additional review of the matter that includes a claim of disability discrimination.

Wait, being a complete waste of oxygen is considered to be a disability now?
 
2012-02-29 12:53:59 AM  
It sounds like the voters have Spokane.
 
2012-02-29 12:56:36 AM  
Waiting patiently for the Fark Cop Apologists to tell us why this Knight In Blue deserves every penny of back pay and an engraved apology...
 
2012-02-29 12:57:12 AM  
The police department says it has been receiving a lot of comments from the community about the disapproval over the settlement.

Props to the people for speaking up.
 
2012-02-29 12:57:19 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: FTFA: Last week, Mayor David Condon had asked the Council to table the item, while the State Human Rights Commission proceeds with an additional review of the matter that includes a claim of disability discrimination.

Wait, being a complete waste of oxygen is considered to be a disability now?


They're claiming that non-induced stress led to.his."disability" of being an alcoholic.
 
2012-02-29 12:57:29 AM  

LiQuid!: Good to know exercising some common farking sense will earn me hero status in Spokane.


If you lived in Washington and saw how other police departments were run the tag would make a lot more sense.
 
2012-02-29 12:58:09 AM  
9beers ,
Enemabag Jones: Sometimes standing on principle is the right thing to do.
Usually not when you're running a city.


Sorry, my apologies.

Running a city is all about money and has nothing whatsoever to do with managing police officers behavior that represent your city.
 
2012-02-29 12:59:55 AM  

buckeyebrain: Waiting patiently for the Fark Cop Apologists to tell us why this Knight In Blue deserves every penny of back pay and an engraved apology...


- and keys to the evidence room coke locker
- paid prostitute breaks
- paid PTSD sessions while still on the street
- free gas to drive around while grabbin kickbacks
- monogrammed get out of jail free cards
- state paid lawyers

what am i missing here?
 
2012-02-29 01:00:08 AM  
Farking cops should be fired for misdemeanors.

This is one of the worst written articles I've ever read.
 
2012-02-29 01:00:17 AM  
"Thoma's attorney, Bob Dunn, argues that job-related stress led Thoma to alcoholism and should be regarded as a disability."

You have to be farking joking. It's the police, not the army in Iraq. Not even a high-crime city like Detroit or else. And there's this thing called "getting help for your issues".

I think he's just worried that this could set a precedent where police may actually have to face the law and its consequences.
 
2012-02-29 01:00:23 AM  

Enemabag Jones: 9beers,Read the article, by voting no, they opened themselves up to a lawsuit that could cost them a lot more.

Sometimes standing on principle is the right thing to do. Let the douchebag sue.

He is for $4 million. New Link

Another comment from a City Council member (from the link):
Council-member Salvatori said Monday, "Some battles are fought for principle and some battles are fought for dollars. When you fight for principles you fight until hell freezes over and then you fight on the ice."
 
2012-02-29 01:01:23 AM  

Enemabag Jones: 9beers ,
Enemabag Jones: Sometimes standing on principle is the right thing to do.
Usually not when you're running a city.

Sorry, my apologies.

Running a city is all about money and has nothing whatsoever to do with managing police officers behavior that represent your city.


Stop replying to him.

He's only slightly worth reading if you're in a Fark MMA thread.

Other than that, put him on ignore.
 
2012-02-29 01:01:50 AM  

Mugato: This really isn't fair to the cop. Suddenly cops can't do whatever the hell they want with impunity? He should sue them for moving the goal posts like that.


LOL for once we agree
 
2012-02-29 01:02:11 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

R.I.P. ANOTHER HIT AND RUN
 
2012-02-29 01:02:16 AM  
Thoma's lawyer Bob Dunn says his client plans to sue the City of Spokane and Anne Kirkpatrick for $4 million, if the settlement is rejected.

Can you believe the balls on this son of a biatch?

/still can't believe a cop makes 90k/year
 
2012-02-29 01:02:20 AM  

Mugato: The cop made over $90k/year? Damn.


Sargent on the police force =! Sargent in the armed forces in terms of pay and accommodation. And now the city gets the fun of a $4MM lawsuit for making a breathless, over-exaggerated gesture.
 
2012-02-29 01:02:33 AM  
Spokane's city council has that power? Damn. Must be nice.
 
2012-02-29 01:03:34 AM  

James Scameron: The last name I had was pretty gay...: I don't get it. Why would this even need to be discussed?

because police corruption in North America is out of hand?


Was going to get indignant, but then I remembered that Mexico is in North America.
 
2012-02-29 01:04:46 AM  

James Scameron: buckeyebrain: Waiting patiently for the Fark Cop Apologists to tell us why this Knight In Blue deserves every penny of back pay and an engraved apology...

- and keys to the evidence room coke locker
- paid prostitute breaks
- paid PTSD sessions while still on the street
- free gas to drive around while grabbin kickbacks
- monogrammed get out of jail free cards
- state paid lawyers

what am i missing here?


- Hippy beat-downs whenever he wants

/for stress relief. Part of the PTSD therapy
 
2012-02-29 01:05:19 AM  

wildsnowllama: Don't worry, they'll hire him back as a consultant with thrice the pay.

/I just like the word "thrice."


It is a sweet little word, isn't it? And it has such a specific meaning.
Job stress hasn't done very good by me, either, but I don't expect to sue anybody because I can't keep up. Maybe I should expect to do that.
Hmmm.
 
2012-02-29 01:05:45 AM  
Alcoholism may be a disability but it is definitely something that would disbar serving in a public trust capacity.

You don't hire a profoundly deaf man to be an air traffic controller or a 911 dispatcher.
You don't hire a completely blind man to an electrician or a fighter pilot.
You don't hire an idiot to be an mathematician or a NASA mission coordinator.

Besides, the excuse of alcoholism doesn't make sense - why are criminals in jail that committed crimes while under the influence of alcohol?

By that logic, they couldn't help themselves cause they have a disease.
 
2012-02-29 01:06:05 AM  
Who the hell thought hiring him and giving him back pay was a good idea? An officer breaking the law (and not even one of those debatably justifiable ones) should be an automatic boot to the door.
 
2012-02-29 01:06:37 AM  

9beers: Read the article, by voting no, they opened themselves up to a lawsuit that could cost them a lot more.


Re-hiring him means they are guaranteed to pay every penny he's asking for, along with putting a convicted drunk driver back on the police force. Allowing it to go to court means they only have to pay $15k, with a tiny chance of paying $4 mill.

As for the court case itself, he's trying to have alcoholism recognized under the ADA. If he's successful, if a judge officially recognizes alcoholism as a disability, that ruling would effectively pave the way toward nullifying the DUI laws, and result in far more lenient punishments for those who do get into accidents while drunk.

Regardless of whether or not this guy has a legitimate case, the precedent alone means he doesn't stand a chance in front of any sane judge.
 
2012-02-29 01:07:13 AM  
A quarter-million dollars and his job back after committing a crime when his job was to prevent crime and bring criminals to justice? Hell no, indeed.
 
2012-02-29 01:08:33 AM  

metametameta: Who the hell thought hiring him and giving him back pay was a good idea?


His union when they got him that concession in collective bargaining; or is a bad idea to point out that cops have their own union?
 
2012-02-29 01:09:12 AM  
If this guy had gone to his CO and said he had a drinking problem, that it was related to his on the job stress... I could kind of see granting him some paid leave to deal with his issues... but that's not what happened, he committed a felony... he should not be permitted to own a weapon, let alone be a cop.
 
2012-02-29 01:10:52 AM  

CrispFlows: Alcoholism may be a disability but it is definitely something that would disbar serving in a public trust capacity.

You don't hire a profoundly deaf man to be an air traffic controller or a 911 dispatcher.
You don't hire a completely blind man to an electrician or a fighter pilot.
You don't hire an idiot to be an mathematician or a NASA mission coordinator.

Besides, the excuse of alcoholism doesn't make sense - why are criminals in jail that committed crimes while under the influence of alcohol?

By that logic, they couldn't help themselves cause they have a disease.


It's also an insult to all the responsible alcoholics who treat their disease seriously and collect their sober tokens. Being an alcoholic doesn't automatically mean it's okay to be drunk or commit crimes. He wasn't fired for being an alcoholic, he was fired because he was a drunk. They aren't the same thing.

/Best friend is 15 years sober.
 
2012-02-29 01:11:00 AM  

Mutt Farkinov: James Scameron: The last name I had was pretty gay...: I don't get it. Why would this even need to be discussed?

because police corruption in North America is out of hand?

Was going to get indignant, but then I remembered that Mexico is in North America.


this also crossed my mind...JUAREZ!
 
2012-02-29 01:12:03 AM  
Whenever cops in Washington finally get caught for their misdeeds, they are backed by police guilds more than any normal criminal defendant can muster their family or friends.

When I represent Veterans or victims of child abuse now accused of crimes (I'm a public defender in Washington), prosecutors just give their normal snicker and basically indicate that my client is a piece of crap.

Fortunately, they occasionally also recognize that corrupt cops are worse for society than a normal hum-drum criminal defendant. However, it's not hard enough. This piece of poop needs to be tossed to the wolves. Think of how many criminal defendants whose cases he erroneously processed for DUI while he was probably drunk.

Don't get me wrong, if I was a cop in a piece of crap town like Spokane, I'd probably be drunk while on patrol too...
 
2012-02-29 01:13:08 AM  

norahc: Enemabag Jones: 9beers,Read the article, by voting no, they opened themselves up to a lawsuit that could cost them a lot more.

Sometimes standing on principle is the right thing to do. Let the douchebag sue.
He is for $4 million. New Link

Another comment from a City Council member (from the link):
Council-member Salvatori said Monday, "Some battles are fought for principle and some battles are fought for dollars. When you fight for principles you fight until hell freezes over and then you fight on the ice."


weknowmemes.com

/no seriously, thats farking badass
//wish my city council were that badass
 
2012-02-29 01:16:07 AM  
James Scameron,Mutt Farkinov: James Scameron: The last name I had was pretty gay...: I don't get it. Why would this even need to be discussed?
because police corruption in North America is out of hand?
Was going to get indignant, but then I remembered that Mexico is in North America.
this also crossed my mind...JUAREZ!


Not too many years a friend that traveled in Mexico told me that it was unusual for police to have radios and a $20 was considered the expected tip for a cop after being pulled over.

Then throw in Juarez where anyone in the way is offered 'silver or lead', that is just not fair.
 
2012-02-29 01:17:01 AM  

libranoelrose: Other than that, put him on ignore.


Yes, put me on ignore because I have a different opinion than you. That way, you're only talking to people who agree with everything you say and you'll feel like you're right about everything.

Please, put me on ignore so I don't have to see your ignorant farking comments directed towards me again.
 
2012-02-29 01:21:00 AM  
saying the aftermath of a DUI led to alcoholism is balls deluxe. law enforcement is a miserable career choice often leading to alcoholism and divorce. in each circumstance it began with a persons individual free will choice, followed by more poor decisions.
 
2012-02-29 01:23:09 AM  

James Scameron: buckeyebrain: Waiting patiently for the Fark Cop Apologists to tell us why this Knight In Blue deserves every penny of back pay and an engraved apology...

- and keys to the evidence room coke locker
- paid prostitute breaks
- paid PTSD sessions while still on the street
- free gas to drive around while grabbin kickbacks
- monogrammed get out of jail free cards
- state paid lawyers

what am i missing here?


The point?
 
2012-02-29 01:24:15 AM  

9beers: libranoelrose: Other than that, put him on ignore.

Yes, put me on ignore because I have a different opinion than you. That way, you're only talking to people who agree with everything you say and you'll feel like you're right about everything.

Please, put me on ignore so I don't have to see your ignorant farking comments directed towards me again.


Yes, because you aren't trolling at all.
 
2012-02-29 01:25:16 AM  
buckeyebrain: Waiting patiently for the Fark Cop Apologists to tell us why this Knight In Blue deserves every penny of back pay and an engraved apology...

One, you're an idiot.

Two, good decision on the city. What makes anyone think that the man is responsable enough to be a cop when he's not even responable enough not to drive after drinking.
 
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