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2012-02-28 12:13:49 PM
The draft is like christmas in spring
 
2012-02-28 01:04:43 PM
The Rams are gonna make out like bandits and have either cleveland or washington to thank for it.
 
2012-02-28 01:05:54 PM
Must be nice. Although I think I'd prefer RG3 over Bradford, if you can get more out of it, go for it.
 
2012-02-28 01:06:54 PM
Rams need a REALLY good draft this year. Don't screw it up.

JC
 
2012-02-28 01:08:56 PM

Treygreen13: Must be nice. Although I think I'd prefer RG3 over Bradford, if you can get more out of it, go for it.


I could see them getting 3 picks out of the right team. Maybe a 1st, 2nd, and 5th or something. The teams that really feel like all they need is a better QB might be willing to pay out of the nose. Especially if they have decent cap space.
 
2012-02-28 01:10:55 PM
The NFL combine is nothing more that a silly beauty pageant.

Regis Philbin should come out in a tuxedo and sing something.
 
2012-02-28 01:11:27 PM
FTFA: The Rams are seeking a deal similar to what the San Diego Chargers got for the rights to 2004 top overall pick Eli Manning, sources said Monday.

Manning was selected by the Chargers with the No. 1 overall pick in 2004 and traded to the New York Giants for two first-round picks, a third-round pick and a fifth-round choice.

With those picks, the Chargers ended up adding quarterback Philip Rivers, linebacker Shawne Merriman and kicker Nate Kaeding, all of whom have made multiple Pro Bowls.


I wonder how the Giants with Eli worked out?
 
2012-02-28 01:12:13 PM
Using the extra picks to draft WRs and CBs should help them immediately, but I don't think their O-line is any good either, and trading down takes them out of the Kalil sweepstakes too.

Oh well, depth is extremely important, and they should be better by default next year, since they were incredibly thin at certain positions.
 
2012-02-28 01:13:37 PM

Komplex: FTFA: The Rams are seeking a deal similar to what the San Diego Chargers got for the rights to 2004 top overall pick Eli Manning, sources said Monday.

Manning was selected by the Chargers with the No. 1 overall pick in 2004 and traded to the New York Giants for two first-round picks, a third-round pick and a fifth-round choice.

With those picks, the Chargers ended up adding quarterback Philip Rivers, linebacker Shawne Merriman and kicker Nate Kaeding, all of whom have made multiple Pro Bowls.

I wonder how the Giants with Eli worked out?


They got a single piece of a successful team.

Although Rivers spectacularly shiat the bed (and tanked my fantasy team) he's been a stud guy every other year.
 
2012-02-28 01:14:47 PM

Komplex: I wonder how the Giants with Eli worked out?


Here's what is rarely said about that trade - the Giants got the player they wanted (Eli) without trading the guy the Chargers really wanted (Osi).

The fact that the Chargers blew the two picks on an overrated LB/DE and one of the worst clutch kickers in NFL history is a bonus.
 
2012-02-28 01:16:11 PM

Killer Cars: Using the extra picks to draft WRs and CBs should help them immediately, but I don't think their O-line is any good either, and trading down takes them out of the Kalil sweepstakes too.

Oh well, depth is extremely important, and they should be better by default next year, since they were incredibly thin at certain positions.


Brandon Lloyd (who they got mid-year last season) will help them out in the WR department, but they could use another guy who doesn't have farking stonehands.
 
2012-02-28 01:16:40 PM
RG3 is going to be the next Andre Ware.
 
2012-02-28 01:18:00 PM
After seeing this, I'd keep RGIII.
 
2012-02-28 01:27:48 PM

INeedAName: Treygreen13: Must be nice. Although I think I'd prefer RG3 over Bradford, if you can get more out of it, go for it.

I could see them getting 3 picks out of the right team. Maybe a 1st, 2nd, and 5th or something. The teams that really feel like all they need is a better QB might be willing to pay out of the nose. Especially if they have decent cap space.


They'll get at least 2 number 1's out of this and more. It's cheaper to sign the #2 pick overall now too.
 
2012-02-28 01:30:52 PM

INeedAName: I could see them getting 3 picks out of the right team. Maybe a 1st, 2nd, and 5th or something.


If they don't get two first round picks out of the trade, they really screwed up.
 
2012-02-28 01:33:27 PM
If the Rams were truly smart, they would just draft Griffin and either trade Bradford to anybody who could take on that contract, or just release him outright. As a 49ers fan, I'm much happier about facing Bradford for the next 12 years instead of Griffin. Bradford is the very definition of average.

This year, the Rams will end up with Kalil and a guy like Poe or Malcolm Floyd, in addition to a few other picks, but it's still not going to be anything close to what Griffin would have given them.
 
2012-02-28 01:34:10 PM

Treygreen13: ough Rivers spectacularly shiat the bed (and tanked my fantasy team) he's been a stud guy every other year.


Until the postseason when he almost always sucks. That trade worked out much, much better for the Giants.
 
2012-02-28 01:34:50 PM

facisto: The Rams are gonna make out like bandits and have either cleveland or washington to thank for it.


I can't imagine Holmgren making a deal that would cause him to lose draft picks. He was actually a pretty savvy drafter in Seattle, he just got forced out. Most of the players Seattle went to the SB with were Holmgren picks/free agents.
 
2012-02-28 01:37:46 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Komplex: I wonder how the Giants with Eli worked out?

Here's what is rarely said about that trade - the Giants got the player they wanted (Eli) without trading the guy the Chargers really wanted (Osi).

The fact that the Chargers blew the two picks on an overrated LB/DE and one of the worst clutch kickers in NFL history is a bonus.


And Charger fans still hate on Eli....LOL. They should vent their hate on AJ Smith and the Spanos family for being cheap bastards.
 
2012-02-28 01:38:52 PM

facisto: washington to thank for it.


As a Redskins fan, please god no.

OL, you stupid twunts, OL. OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

FFS, OL has been this team's problem for two damn decades, if they Snyder our and give up the farm for RGIII I will be beside myself (in the bad way).
 
2012-02-28 01:39:29 PM

facisto: The Rams are gonna make out like bandits and have either cleveland or washington to thank for it.


Remember when the Dallas Cowboys got 5 draft picks from Minnesota for Hershel Walker?

Dallas made out like bandits, and won 3 Super Bowls.
 
2012-02-28 01:40:27 PM

Rwa2play: And Charger fans still hate on Eli....LOL. They should vent their hate on AJ Smith and the Spanos family for being cheap bastards.


Yeah, that's funny too. The Chargers didn't want Eli anyway, so hating him for being absolutely right about the Chargers disjointed front office is idiotic.

San Diego got the QB they wanted AND picks out of that whole deal, and they've done nothing but fark it up since then. Which, somehow, is Eli's fault.
 
2012-02-28 01:42:01 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: If the Rams were truly smart, they would just draft Griffin and either trade Bradford to anybody who could take on that contract, or just release him outright. As a 49ers fan, I'm much happier about facing Bradford for the next 12 years instead of Griffin. Bradford is the very definition of average.

This year, the Rams will end up with Kalil and a guy like Poe or Malcolm Floyd, in addition to a few other picks, but it's still not going to be anything close to what Griffin would have given them.


Kalil is not getting by the Vikings, no matter how bad they want to screw it up.

/Vikings fan
 
2012-02-28 01:42:43 PM

Kornchex: INeedAName: Treygreen13: Must be nice. Although I think I'd prefer RG3 over Bradford, if you can get more out of it, go for it.

I could see them getting 3 picks out of the right team. Maybe a 1st, 2nd, and 5th or something. The teams that really feel like all they need is a better QB might be willing to pay out of the nose. Especially if they have decent cap space.

They'll get at least 2 number 1's out of this and more. It's cheaper to sign the #2 pick overall now too.


I just don't know how many teams are going to be willing to give up everything that would take. Though one team Does Appear iN my Subconscious; Now You Dont Even have to wondeR
 
2012-02-28 01:43:35 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Most of the players Seattle went to the SB with were Holmgren picks/free agents.


Except for almost the entirety of the starting defense and a decent portion of the starting offense. Holmgren is terribly overrated as a personnel guy. As a coach, too, but that's another story.
 
2012-02-28 01:45:38 PM

Md37: Kalil is not getting by the Vikings, no matter how bad they want to screw it up.

/Vikings fan


I've got the Vikes taking Blackmon at #3, but I suppose I should defer to an actual Minnesota fan on such matters. My larger point, that whomever the Rams draft with their extra picks and players, will not make the team as good as simply drafting Griffin with the 2nd pick and just cutting ties with a median NFL quarterback like Bradford, still stands, however.
 
2012-02-28 01:45:47 PM

JerseyTim: After seeing this, I'd keep RGIII.


Because he remembered the one play shown to him two minutes later (when he figured he would be tested while it was being drawn up)?

Now, if he had been show 7 plays, and then asked to redraw a one of them, that would be a little more impressive. But even I remembered the one play he was shown, and I'm an idiot.
 
2012-02-28 01:51:26 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Rwa2play: And Charger fans still hate on Eli....LOL. They should vent their hate on AJ Smith and the Spanos family for being cheap bastards.

Yeah, that's funny too. The Chargers didn't want Eli anyway, so hating him for being absolutely right about the Chargers disjointed front office is idiotic.

San Diego got the QB they wanted AND picks out of that whole deal, and they've done nothing but fark it up since then. Which, somehow, is Eli's fault.


That's the thing!!!! They actually made out like bandits on that deal; yet they've shat the bed ever since then.

I think Phillip Rivers could nuke half of San Diego from orbit, and Charger fans will say it's Eli's fault.

Dumb bastards.
 
2012-02-28 01:53:24 PM
Best case scenario for the Rams is trading with the Browns for two 1sts and a couple later picks, then taking either Kalil or Blackmon with the 4th overall, whichever is available, and drafting the other need with the other 1st rounder. Who trades up will shake out when Matt Flynn is signed in a couple weeks.
 
2012-02-28 01:53:24 PM

Larry Mahnken: JerseyTim: After seeing this, I'd keep RGIII.

Because he remembered the one play shown to him two minutes later (when he figured he would be tested while it was being drawn up)?

Now, if he had been show 7 plays, and then asked to redraw a one of them, that would be a little more impressive. But even I remembered the one play he was shown, and I'm an idiot.


It's the overall impression, not just the play. He's smart and confident. He nailed the Peyton Manning question and the question about misconceptions.
 
2012-02-28 01:53:26 PM

facisto: The Rams are gonna make out like bandits and have either cleveland or washington to thank for it.


Cleveland has a shiat ton of picks this year too. They could trade pick 4 and another one (still have plenty of good picks left) and St. Louis could spin that into a couple other picks, or have some sort of 3 way trade hammered out. It could get interesting.
 
2012-02-28 01:58:08 PM
The Rams will find a way to screw this up.
 
2012-02-28 01:58:28 PM
RG3 > Bradford
 
2012-02-28 02:00:23 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Md37: Kalil is not getting by the Vikings, no matter how bad they want to screw it up.

/Vikings fan

I've got the Vikes taking Blackmon at #3, but I suppose I should defer to an actual Minnesota fan on such matters. My larger point, that whomever the Rams draft with their extra picks and players, will not make the team as good as simply drafting Griffin with the 2nd pick and just cutting ties with a median NFL quarterback like Bradford, still stands, however.


Blackmon is probably third on the Vikings draft list behind Kalil and Claiborne (defensive backfield is probably worst in the league). I think it is pretty clear-cut that it is going to be Kalil, though. Throwing Charlie Johnson out there as LT another year is not an option.
 
2012-02-28 02:16:13 PM
I just hope Michael Floyd, Alshon Jeffrey, or a decent OT will be available for the Bears at 19.

/hopefully Phil Emery isn't drinking the same kool-aid that Jerry Angelo had been and pick a bunch of injury threats
 
2012-02-28 02:17:29 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Most of the players Seattle went to the SB with were Holmgren picks/free agents.

Except for almost the entirety of the starting defense and a decent portion of the starting offense. Holmgren is terribly overrated as a personnel guy. As a coach, too, but that's another story.


Uhh, a lot of his first round picks actually turned out quite nicely: Alexander, Hutchinson, Trufant, Stevens. Even Koren Robinson had a few very good years before getting too drunk. He also tamed Hasselback and made him into a decent QB, and even one of the top NFC QBs for several years. He didn't set the world on fire, but he certainly cemented their status for several years. When he was no longer GM, that's when Seattle started bungling like crazy (the huge contact for Alexander, the "transition" tag, etc.)
 
2012-02-28 02:17:33 PM
NFL Network showed a graphic with the list of QB records for the 40 yard dash. Trying to find the list now, but let's just say I only heard of 'maybe' 2 or 3 of them having a halfway decent career, most of them were like "who??"

needless to say, don't fall in love with a QB because he's fast. Don't fall in love with a QB because he can "throw a football 60 yards while on his knees" (looking at your JaFatass). They have to have the whole package.

/don't forget about the Matt Flynn saga
//to me he's a good long term solution for a team looking for a good QB, plus he can start immediately given the right offense/team.
 
2012-02-28 02:18:10 PM

Droog8912: Who trades up will shake out when Matt Flynn is signed in a couple weeks.


It will be interesting to see who overpays for Matt Flynn.

Remember when there was a race to overpay for Matt Cassell? How did that work out? It's weird how much different his performance has been since he's not been on the Patriots.

But this time it will totally be different, I'm sure. Flynn's probably not just the product of the Packers' offense, he's probably just *that* good and no one's know it this whole time.

(Fark, if the Skins make a move for Flynn I'll kill myself twice).
 
2012-02-28 02:20:52 PM

ihatedumbpeople: Don't fall in love with a QB because he can "throw a football 60 yards while on his knees" (looking at your JaFatass).


Don't forget about Kyle Boller. He started that trend.
 
2012-02-28 02:23:46 PM

The Homer Tax: facisto: washington to thank for it.

As a Redskins fan, please god no.

OL, you stupid twunts, OL. OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

FFS, OL has been this team's problem for two damn decades, if they Snyder our and give up the farm for RGIII I will be beside myself (in the bad way).


Let's not forget the last two "sell the farm" players we went for: Haynesworth and McNabb... not only did they both suck so hard the Skins had to trade them, but they sucked so hard McNabb gets to retire 3 years before his contract $78 mil contract was supposed to be up and Haynesworth is retiring FIVE farkING YEARS before his $100 mil contract was going to be up.

It dumbfounds me that they missed the mark by SO much twice in a row. Last thing we need is the give up two years of first-round picks for the next Jason farking Campbell.
 
2012-02-28 02:25:08 PM

9beers: RG3 is going to be the next Andre Ware.


As someone who actually watched more of RGIII's college career than just the TCU and Oklahoma games that were used to get him a Heisman, I agree.

RGIII is a very good player. But he is not as good as the hype machine has been making him out to be.
 
2012-02-28 02:30:57 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: AdmirableSnackbar: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Most of the players Seattle went to the SB with were Holmgren picks/free agents.

Except for almost the entirety of the starting defense and a decent portion of the starting offense. Holmgren is terribly overrated as a personnel guy. As a coach, too, but that's another story.

Uhh, a lot of his first round picks actually turned out quite nicely: Alexander, Hutchinson, Trufant, Stevens. Even Koren Robinson had a few very good years before getting too drunk. He also tamed Hasselback and made him into a decent QB, and even one of the top NFC QBs for several years. He didn't set the world on fire, but he certainly cemented their status for several years. When he was no longer GM, that's when Seattle started bungling like crazy (the huge contact for Alexander, the "transition" tag, etc.)


I'm not saying Holmgren is a bad GM, but I will say that he can only get a team so far if he's the GM. But at the same time, they did do pretty well when he stepped down (such as assembling practically the entire starting defense of that Super Bowl team). And most people forget that Ron Wolf built that great Green Bay team (that would have won more than one title had they had a better coach, but again that's a different discussion) and mistakenly attribute it to Holmgren. My point is that Holmgren get a ton more credit than he deserves. And I think his tenure in Cleveland is likely to finally open people's eyes as to his average-ness at best as a GM.

Also, Trufant was picked up in the 2003 draft when Holmgren was no longer GM.
 
2012-02-28 02:35:46 PM
Im sort of hoping for the eagles to bite on RGIII and trade their picks for him. This team had a transitional year last year (I honestly didnt expect them to light the world on fire like some people did, but I was hoping for a playoff game) but Vick isnt getting any younger and RGIII fits the mold very well of a mobile QB in the light of Vick and McNabb which means you can make an easier transition from the system with him instead of someone who is more of a traditional pocket passer.

That team has the talent, they dont really need to be frugal with the picks this year when their only real weakness is OL depth. If there is any year to make a gamble on a potential blockbuster player like RGIII, this is it.
 
2012-02-28 02:38:38 PM

Rwa2play: Yanks_RSJ: Komplex: I wonder how the Giants with Eli worked out?

Here's what is rarely said about that trade - the Giants got the player they wanted (Eli) without trading the guy the Chargers really wanted (Osi).

The fact that the Chargers blew the two picks on an overrated LB/DE and one of the worst clutch kickers in NFL history is a bonus.

And Charger fans still hate on Eli....LOL. They should vent their hate on AJ Smith and the Spanos family for being cheap bastards.


My hate for Eli the little biatch will never cease. I bet his daddy manages his money too
 
2012-02-28 02:41:06 PM

The Homer Tax: Droog8912: Who trades up will shake out when Matt Flynn is signed in a couple weeks.

It will be interesting to see who overpays for Matt Flynn.

Remember when there was a race to overpay for Matt Cassell? How did that work out? It's weird how much different his performance has been since he's not been on the Patriots.

But this time it will totally be different, I'm sure. Flynn's probably not just the product of the Packers' offense, he's probably just *that* good and no one's know it this whole time.

(Fark, if the Skins make a move for Flynn I'll kill myself twice).


It's always hit or miss, not really much different than drafting. Hostetler was good when he wasn't injured. Cassell is passable, not terrible but he is overpaid. The suckitude of the rest of the Chiefs doesn't help him, either. Schaub has been pretty good for Houston. Volek flamed out and is now the permanent backup for Rivers. Kolb looks like a disaster, as anything from Philly has been a spectacular crash and burn. Heck, Jim Plunkett was a backup.

Personally, I think Flynn will be solid but unspectacular. I don't think he gets the same contact as Kolb, but he won't be that much cheaper.
 
2012-02-28 02:42:26 PM
OK I think RG3 is good but they are expecting at least "two first-round picks, a third-round pick and a fifth-round choice."

I don't know how many active, proven QB's I would trade that many draft picks for.
Well yes I do: (no particular order)
Rodgers
Manning
Brees
Newton
Brady
R Burger
 
2012-02-28 02:42:26 PM

JOHN MCENROE MY CHILDHOOD NEMESIS: Im sort of hoping for the eagles to bite on RGIII and trade their picks for him. This team had a transitional year last year (I honestly didnt expect them to light the world on fire like some people did, but I was hoping for a playoff game) but Vick isnt getting any younger and RGIII fits the mold very well of a mobile QB in the light of Vick and McNabb which means you can make an easier transition from the system with him instead of someone who is more of a traditional pocket passer.

That team has the talent, they dont really need to be frugal with the picks this year when their only real weakness is OL depth. If there is any year to make a gamble on a potential blockbuster player like RGIII, this is it.


That would have been a perfect option for the Eagles 3 or 4 years ago. This year they can't do that because if they fail to win a Super Bowl - or even make the playoffs, which I think is most likely - Reid will be fired and Roseman probably will be too. It's gonig to be difficult enough for the Eagles to rebuild with a new coach and GM, but a new coach and GM married to a young QB makes for a tougher transition as most coaches who take over a team in flux like to draft their own QB of the future.

And the Eagles have way more holes than OL depth - for instance they have absolutely nothing at LB and safety. Trading for RGIII would mean that they practically have to ignore those holes. So I guess I'm all in favor of that.
 
2012-02-28 02:42:27 PM

Rwa2play: Yanks_RSJ: Komplex: I wonder how the Giants with Eli worked out?

Here's what is rarely said about that trade - the Giants got the player they wanted (Eli) without trading the guy the Chargers really wanted (Osi).

The fact that the Chargers blew the two picks on an overrated LB/DE and one of the worst clutch kickers in NFL history is a bonus.

And Charger fans still hate on Eli....LOL. They should vent their hate on AJ Smith and the Spanos family for being cheap bastards.


Yanks_RSJ: Rwa2play: And Charger fans still hate on Eli....LOL. They should vent their hate on AJ Smith and the Spanos family for being cheap bastards.

Yeah, that's funny too. The Chargers didn't want Eli anyway, so hating him for being absolutely right about the Chargers disjointed front office is idiotic.

San Diego got the QB they wanted AND picks out of that whole deal, and they've done nothing but fark it up since then. Which, somehow, is Eli's fault.


Rwa2play: Yanks_RSJ: Rwa2play: And Charger fans still hate on Eli....LOL. They should vent their hate on AJ Smith and the Spanos family for being cheap bastards.

Yeah, that's funny too. The Chargers didn't want Eli anyway, so hating him for being absolutely right about the Chargers disjointed front office is idiotic.

San Diego got the QB they wanted AND picks out of that whole deal, and they've done nothing but fark it up since then. Which, somehow, is Eli's fault.

That's the thing!!!! They actually made out like bandits on that deal; yet they've shat the bed ever since then.

I think Phillip Rivers could nuke half of San Diego from orbit, and Charger fans will say it's Eli's fault.

Dumb bastards.


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OH HAI GUYZZZ!!!!

Just gimme one more chance, wait until you see us this next season. I swear we got it figured out this year!

We have all the free agents lined up too! Check this out, there's this huge guy who'll hold down our D-line, haynesworth or something I think and we're getting rid of that deadweight jackson and picking up moss. Man, the veteran affect will send us to the playoffs for sure!
 
2012-02-28 02:46:02 PM
I just don't think Griffin is worth giving up all those picks.
 
2012-02-28 02:47:22 PM

germ78: I just hope Michael Floyd, Alshon Jeffrey, or a decent OT will be available for the Bears at 19.


You'll be able to get Jeffrey with the 19th pick of the 4th round. No need to waste a 1st rounder on the guy.
 
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