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(LA Times)   Geordi LaForge talks about hanging out with various Enterprise crews these days, his Roots, and trying to resurrect Reading Rainbow. "I don't see the Voyager cast all that often"   (herocomplex.latimes.com) divider line 210
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2012-02-29 01:41:55 PM

Teenwolf: Accolade: O'Brien is the single most abused cast member in that entire franchise.

I'd put him at 2nd most abused.

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She grew up as an orphan fending off rape gangs. She gets killed off for the sake of being killed (because of Crosby's problems with the show). She eventually gets brought back from an alternate timeline, only to be sent back in time to sacrifice herself. Instead of dying, she's captured by Romulans, raped some more, and eventually killed by her own daughter for trying to escape.


She made up for all this by taking Data's robo-virginity
 
2012-02-29 02:23:59 PM

Teenwolf: Accolade: O'Brien is the single most abused cast member in that entire franchise.

I'd put him at 2nd most abused.

[www.startrek.com image 320x240]

She grew up as an orphan fending off rape gangs. She gets killed off for the sake of being killed (because of Crosby's problems with the show). She eventually gets brought back from an alternate timeline, only to be sent back in time to sacrifice herself. Instead of dying, she's captured by Romulans, raped some more, and eventually killed by her own daughter for trying to escape.


I don't know why, but I laughed while reading that.
 
2012-02-29 03:37:27 PM
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2012-02-29 03:50:06 PM

Kurmudgeon: rickycal78: they could have done without the temporal cold war crap and space Nazi's.

There are always Nazis....always.
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To be fair everything that ever happens is their fault.
/ The Empire, yup, british space Nazis.
 
2012-02-29 08:58:37 PM
Unfortunate as Voyager is better than both DS9 and Enterprise.
 
2012-02-29 09:27:17 PM
Hey! No fair fixing the headline now, after all the work we put into making fun of it.
 
2012-03-01 04:37:17 AM

ArkAngel: I've said it before and I'll say it again - I like Voyager. And I liked it before 36D of 9 showed up.


Allow me to explain to you why you're wrong and why Voyager was bad:

Voyager had the same character premise as DS9, especially with half the crew being Maquis, it would definitely cause some friction. And with some characters with troubled backgrounds (Paris), it made for some good storytelling. But then they went and farked it all up. The stories weren't compelling, the character conflict was never really present, and everything was just plain bad. To this day, I still can't find five words to accurately describe either Harry Kim or Chakotay's personalities....and I watched all seven seasons, for fark's sakes. They were literally wallpaper.

The problem with Voyager was the presence of too many non-human "logical" personalities. Tuvoc is your typical logical Vulcan, so no dice getting any emotional extremities from him. The Doctor is basically photonic software, so he's just a collection of digital logic and system code (albeit pedantic, I'll get to him in a sec). And Seven is your reclaimed Borg drone, gradually relearning her humanity but still adhering to a system of rote efficiency and conduct. There's also that Icheb kid, basically her protege, who was not all that dissimilar.

Put these three characters in a room and give them a problem, and they'll have it solved in under a minute. Great minds to have in the real world, but that doesn't make for compelling TV.

The other characters had to react and respond to these stark personalities all the time, which makes for lots of annoying non-conflict. There's a great interview with Garrett Wang about what went wrong with the latter seasons of Voyager, and he explained that the Producers wanted to play up the emotions of all the aliens they met, and kept prodding him to be less and less emotional as the series went on. So it wasn't his fault; Harry Kim was written into a corner and Wang was instructed to be bland, and the only people allowed to be emotional were Janeway, the Doctor (with reason) and Seven (when the script called for it, and it was always reserved emotion).

The Doctor: Robert Picardo is farking brilliant, and the only reason to watch Voyager. The Doctor episodes are some of the best written, if only because Picardo was permitted to change his dialog. And the reason why he's so awesome is his character, which goes beyond a face on a screen or words on a script. It's his mannerisms -- just his very inflections and intonations speak of pretentiousness and pompousness, to the point where even if he's right about something, you don't want to admit it to give his ego that sense of satisfaction. It's very enjoyable to watch a character delivered like that, and to watch everyone elses reaction to him. There really should've been more resistance from the rest of the crew regarding who he is and how he approaches things, NOT because his solutions are bad, but just because they don't like him. They reject his advice and counsel purely out of spite, and that forces him to improve his behavior.

The best Voyager episode, by far, is the one where the Doctor has to make a decision on a critical mission to save one of two crew members, but not both. His decision was made randomly, and he grappled with that reasoning for the rest of the episode, eventually getting caught in an endless program loop as he replayed the scenario over and over again, driving himself mad. For a physician, to make that kind of decision, where who lives and who dies is decided by coin flip, is heartwrenching, and he simply could not get over it. In order to abate him, the crew decided to erase his memory of the incident so he could return to normal working perameters, but he found out about it and begged them to restore the missing files. The last scene of the episode is him alone in the holodeck, muttering to himself the choice he was forced to make, over and over again, reliving the scene and trying desperately to find some alternative solution, as the scene fade to black. I like that it was never resolved, and that he never got over it.....

And then next week everyone is all right again! fark YOU VOYAGER.

/rant off
 
2012-03-01 01:01:02 PM

Ishkur: ArkAngel: I've said it before and I'll say it again - I like Voyager. And I liked it before 36D of 9 showed up.

Allow me to explain to you why you're wrong and why Voyager was bad:


Hey, he didn't say it wasn't bad, he just said he liked it.
 
2012-03-01 01:30:37 PM
This thread has devolved into what inspires the worst caricatures of Trekkies.
 
2012-03-01 03:38:52 PM
BKITU: This thread has devolved into what inspires the worst caricatures of Trekkies.

And you're still reading it.
 
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