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(LA Times)   Geordi LaForge talks about hanging out with various Enterprise crews these days, his Roots, and trying to resurrect Reading Rainbow. "I don't see the Voyager cast all that often"   (herocomplex.latimes.com) divider line 210
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2012-02-28 06:01:18 PM  

DaJesus: He even had the crush on the holodeck chick, who he then met in real life. In the porno spoof he finally gets in that, so I have heard...


so like, do they bone the holograms or what? it seems pretty obvious in DS9 and there is a sort of implication in that episode that the real version of the holodeck chick was worried that's what he was doing.... but the other series just kind of skirt around that issue
 
2012-02-28 06:03:05 PM  

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: ArkAngel: I've said it before and I'll say it again - I like Voyager. And I liked it before 36D of 9 showed up.

Me too. Conversely, I never understood all the love showered on DS9.


Think of Harry Kim in Season 1.
Think of Harry Kim in Season 7.

The exact same character.

Think of Nog in Season 1 of DS9.
Think of Nog in Season 7 of DS9.

See the difference?
I will admit Nog is an extreme example but look at Odo, Bashir, Daxx, hell even Gull Dukat and his lackey Damar completely change by the end of the series.
 
2012-02-28 06:05:01 PM  

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: ArkAngel: I've said it before and I'll say it again - I like Voyager. And I liked it before 36D of 9 showed up.

Me too. Conversely, I never understood all the love showered on DS9.


Voyager was ok. It's not as bad as some people remember, but it wasn't that great and there was a number of times I wanted to slap the writers upside the head for their stupid shiat. Amelia Earhart on an alien planet in the Delta Quadrant? Really?

DS9 was great because it they didn't cave to the whole"The Federation is perfect and every episode is a chance to preach how great we are" stuff that Next Gen did a lot of. Don't get me wrong I liked All the Treks, but I liked DS9 best because I felt it was more true to what the Federation would really be like.

Enterprise also wasn't as bad as people seem to call it, but it had several problems. The first being that abortion of an opening song, and the second being that it tended to shiat all over established Trek canon, and rabid fanboys hate that shiat. It was a decent little show while it lasted, they could have done without the temporal cold war crap and space Nazi's.
 
2012-02-28 06:06:26 PM  

PillsHere: Slaves2Darkness: PillsHere: KingKauff: Leo Bloom's Freakout: theorellior: Well there was that second Federation ship in the Delta Quadrant the USS Equinox, but they were completely unethical in harvesting aliens for their energy to supercharge their warp drive.

Yah I didn't really consider that an alternate Voyager, but it always bothered me that they never really addressed what happened with the Equinox crew that joined Voyager. I mean obviously they joined the crew, but you think it wouldn't be such a smooth transition. They could have had that chick pop up for a couple episodes after or something. That was kind of a problem with the show in general though. It was like the entire crew had a short term memory problem. There are some interpersonal relationships that remain consistent which is I think what people like about the show, but most other things just get forgotten. Even their attempts to transition the Marquis into Starfleet (which was part of the main plot of the original story other than being trapped in the Delta quadrant) got abandoned pretty quickly. They would make reference to it every once in awhile in seasons 1-2, but it was fairly weak. It's kind of like how on the Brady Bunch they forgot about their other parents and it was like they had always been one big happy family.

Regarding someone else mentioning Neelix being awful, I'm glad that I'm not the only one who hated him. He really got on my nerves. I always skip the Neelix episodes. The only time he works is when he's annoying the other crew members (mostly Tuvok).


Others have mentioned it before but I'll second the thought that Voyager would have been better with a darker tone.

A seven year arc going from a nice shiny Federation ship with a nice shiney Federation crew in season to a battle scarred, heavily modified, jurry rigged and barely operational ship with maybe 1/3 of the original Federation crew mixed with a few interesting tag-alongs in the final season would have been epic.

You could grow junior crew members characters by forcing them into command positions, force them to rely on Maquis and Equinox crew members more...cut out some dead-wood characters...cough*Ensign Kim*cough....
 
2012-02-28 06:07:36 PM  

Mugato: capitulating fromage masticating simian: So, apparently, Michael Dorn isn't black?

He's a real genuine Klingon, didn't you know?

Sure, but he's still black. There are white Klingons too. Doc Brown comes to mind.


There are also Chinese Klingons. Remember General Chang?

i1195.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-28 06:13:56 PM  

Underabridge: Knight of the Woeful Countenance: ArkAngel: I've said it before and I'll say it again - I like Voyager. And I liked it before 36D of 9 showed up.

Me too. Conversely, I never understood all the love showered on DS9.

Think of Harry Kim in Season 1.
Think of Harry Kim in Season 7.

The exact same character.

Think of Nog in Season 1 of DS9.
Think of Nog in Season 7 of DS9.

See the difference?
I will admit Nog is an extreme example but look at Odo, Bashir, Daxx, hell even Gull Dukat and his lackey Damar completely change by the end of the series.


This!!! There was a ton of character growth in DS9 for pretty much all the main characters. However, in Voyager's defense
Think of Torres, the Doctor, Paris in Season 1 of Voyager.
Think of Torrres, the Doctor, Paris in Season 7 of Voyager.
Think of 7 of Tits in season 4 and think of 7 of Tits in season 7 of Voyager.

rikkards: Me too. Didn't care for DS9, let alone B5, Lexx, Hercules in Space and that one there with the actors from Stargate Atlantis and the puppets.


Lexx was plain crap, unless you enjoy cheese and bad acting. Hercules in space could have been better, but I've heard a number of reasons it went to the toilet after a while.

And get it right, it's actors from Stargate SG-1 and puppets in Farscape.
 
2012-02-28 06:19:34 PM  

tlchwi02: so like, do they bone the holograms or what? it seems pretty obvious in DS9 and there is a sort of implication in that episode that the real version of the holodeck chick was worried that's what he was doing.... but the other series just kind of skirt around that issue


DS9, definitely. That seems to be all they're for. That and for Dr. Bashir and Chief O' Brien to get into those leather flight suits and...we never saw those airplanes, did we? Oh God.

Anyway, the holodecks on the ship though don't seem to have locks on them. People just walk into other people's programs at will so it'd be difficult. Maybe you have to hang a sock on the holodeck hatch or something.

And are there jizzmoppers for holodecks or are they self cleaning?
 
2012-02-28 06:20:16 PM  

ChemicalRummy: YixilTesiphon: Counter_Intelligent: FTA: Michael Dorn is out spending his money.

Michael Dorn has money to spend?

Didn't he go the whole run of TNG and most of DS9? That's got to get you some money.

Also, what's ST:E, chopped liver? Am I the only person who liked it?

I liked it too, but the opening theme song was a complete atrocity. Whoever wrote and performed it needs to be shot out of a cannon into a brick wall.


ST:E

I enjoyed it, but they really missed the ball on a lot of things.

1) They set it before the original series and then had a temporal cold war because nobody had the ability to lose all that sweet far future tech.

2) Only half the cast was any fun. Archer, Malcom, Trip, and I save a special spot for Hoshi. Phlox was alright, but both T'Pol and Merryweather were useless. It always felt very much like someone had seen an episode of Star Trek and then figured "Oh, we need to attempt to clone Spock and make a character that is significantly less interesting, and then lets add a black guy...no he doesn't do anything interesting." I think this above all other things was what hurt the show

3) The theme song alone could've doomed the series.......I mean......what were you guys thinking?

4) Hey, you know what will save the show? Let's bring in races from ST: TNG and introduce them into enterprises timeline! I mean you may have ended up creating generic humanoid race X as an antagonist but that at least could've been a blank slate, half the races in the original series you never see again in ST: TNG, so I don't know why anyone didn't try to create new ones, I'm looking at you Ferengi and Borg....


Bah rant over.
 
2012-02-28 06:24:03 PM  
Georgi Porgi is this cashmere?
 
2012-02-28 06:26:30 PM  

Mugato: DS9, definitely. That seems to be all they're for. That and for Dr. Bashir and Chief O' Brien to get into those leather flight suits and...we never saw those airplanes, did we? Oh God.


i wonder if the federation bans holosex... it seems like it could be a pretty major socially disruptive force to be able to re-create and bone whomever you wanted to, without their permission.

would that make them robosexuals? the noisy killer?
 
2012-02-28 06:27:04 PM  
You have to admit though, the Mirror Universe Enterprise episode was pretty sweet.
 
2012-02-28 06:29:03 PM  

tlchwi02: i wonder if the federation bans holosex... it seems like it could be a pretty major socially disruptive force to be able to re-create and bone whomever you wanted to, without their permission.


There was an episode about that where Murdock from the A-Team, the squirrley engineer guy, had a program with all the bridge crew with Troi and Crusher doing his bidding. But again, no locking doors so the real people walked in on him and were pissed.
 
2012-02-28 06:33:55 PM  

SamFlagg: ST:E

I enjoyed it, but they really missed the ball on a lot of things.

1) They set it before the original series and then had a temporal cold war because nobody had the ability to lose all that sweet far future tech.

2) Only half the cast was any fun. Archer, Malcom, Trip, and I save a special spot for Hoshi. Phlox was alright, but both T'Pol and Merryweather were useless. It always felt very much like someone had seen an episode of Star Trek and then figured "Oh, we need to attempt to clone Spock and make a character that is significantly less interesting, and then lets add a black guy...no he doesn't do anything interesting." I think this above all other things was what hurt the show

3) The theme song alone could've doomed the series.......I mean......what were you guys thinking?

4) Hey, you know what will save the show? Let's bring in races from ST: TNG and introduce them into enterprises timeline! I mean you may have ended up creating generic humanoid race X as an antagonist but that at least could've been a blank slate, half the races in the original series you never see again in ST: TNG, so I don't know why anyone didn't try to create new ones, I'm looking at you Ferengi and Borg....


Bah rant over.



I liked it too, and agreed with parts of your post. I can't think of a person alive that liked the theme song.

I actually kind of liked T'Pol and Vulcans in general on ST:E. It showed a different side to them and made them somewhat menacing. I will say though that the whole thing with mind melding being considered a deviant practice was pretty bad. From Enterprise to TOS timewise there wouldn't even be a full generation of a gap between the events of the two shows, Spock would likely have been alive already and somehow Vulcan culture goes from mind melds and transferring consciousness bad to it being A-OK for him in that time frame?

The temporal cold war stuff was just crap. Time travel is rarely done well in a sci-fi show unless the basis for the show itself is time travel.

And I agree about meeting Borg and Ferengi. I'm not a raging Trek fanboy, I'm closer to a regular old fan, but I thought that the way they screwed with long established Trek canon was kinda stupid, just not stupid enough to keep me from enjoying the show overall.
 
2012-02-28 06:35:11 PM  

Mugato: You have to admit though, the Mirror Universe Enterprise episode was pretty sweet.


Mmmm, Hoshi in a belly shirt and skirt and being a straight up whore.
 
2012-02-28 06:35:45 PM  

rickycal78: Underabridge: Knight of the Woeful Countenance: ArkAngel: I've said it before and I'll say it again - I like Voyager. And I liked it before 36D of 9 showed up.

Me too. Conversely, I never understood all the love showered on DS9.

Think of Harry Kim in Season 1.
Think of Harry Kim in Season 7.

The exact same character.

Think of Nog in Season 1 of DS9.
Think of Nog in Season 7 of DS9.

See the difference?
I will admit Nog is an extreme example but look at Odo, Bashir, Daxx, hell even Gull Dukat and his lackey Damar completely change by the end of the series.

This!!! There was a ton of character growth in DS9 for pretty much all the main characters. However, in Voyager's defense
Think of Torres, the Doctor, Paris in Season 1 of Voyager.
Think of Torrres, the Doctor, Paris in Season 7 of Voyager.
Think of 7 of Tits in season 4 and think of 7 of Tits in season 7 of Voyager.


True.

Even TNG was only half and half on character growth. Sure, Troi went from tits to Commander Tits in a real uniform, but Worf didn't really start to grow until DS9.

However, DS9 left no character unchanged from their beginnings.
 
2012-02-28 06:38:41 PM  
Michael Dorn is out spending his money.

That sounds like a fun hobby.


Like everybody else I was a fan of the reboot that J.J. Abrams did.

Looks like somebody's never been in a Star Trek Fark thread.
 
2012-02-28 06:39:21 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: rickycal78: Underabridge: Knight of the Woeful Countenance: ArkAngel: I've said it before and I'll say it again - I like Voyager. And I liked it before 36D of 9 showed up.

Me too. Conversely, I never understood all the love showered on DS9.

Think of Harry Kim in Season 1.
Think of Harry Kim in Season 7.

The exact same character.

Think of Nog in Season 1 of DS9.
Think of Nog in Season 7 of DS9.

See the difference?
I will admit Nog is an extreme example but look at Odo, Bashir, Daxx, hell even Gull Dukat and his lackey Damar completely change by the end of the series.

This!!! There was a ton of character growth in DS9 for pretty much all the main characters. However, in Voyager's defense
Think of Torres, the Doctor, Paris in Season 1 of Voyager.
Think of Torrres, the Doctor, Paris in Season 7 of Voyager.
Think of 7 of Tits in season 4 and think of 7 of Tits in season 7 of Voyager.


True.

Even TNG was only half and half on character growth. Sure, Troi went from tits to Commander Tits in a real uniform, but Worf didn't really start to grow until DS9.

However, DS9 left no character unchanged from their beginnings.


TNG characters were mostly stagnant. The only ones that had any kind of real character growth or change were Data, Troi had a small bit of growth, and Worf had some minor growth. Everyone else basically stayed the same character from start to finish. And even then Data's growth could be argued.
 
2012-02-28 06:41:06 PM  
LeVar Burton taught me how to smoke cigarettes

/true story
 
2012-02-28 06:43:18 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: However, DS9 left no character unchanged from their beginnings


Well except the whole Sisko going from a non-believer who hated his post to a believer who called Bajor his home to a prophet. And Bashir admitting to and accepting his genetically altered past. And Dax turning from a tall hottie to a short cutie. And Nog going from a deliquent into an officer. And Odo not knowing who or what he was to discovering, joining and defying his people. Or Kira being a belligerent biatch who hated Starfleet to practically joining. Or Dukat starting as a sort of friendly ambassador between Bajor and Cardassia into a Dominion sympathizer into a demon.

I guess Cheif O'Brien was fairly constant.
 
2012-02-28 06:45:36 PM  

Mugato: FirstNationalBastard: However, DS9 left no character unchanged from their beginnings

Well except the whole Sisko going from a non-believer who hated his post to a believer who called Bajor his home to a prophet. And Bashir admitting to and accepting his genetically altered past. And Dax turning from a tall hottie to a short cutie. And Nog going from a deliquent into an officer. And Odo not knowing who or what he was to discovering, joining and defying his people. Or Kira being a belligerent biatch who hated Starfleet to practically joining. Or Dukat starting as a sort of friendly ambassador between Bajor and Cardassia into a Dominion sympathizer into a demon.

I guess Cheif O'Brien was fairly constant.


Eh, I guess he could be considered constant, but they developed his character a hell of a lot more in DS9 from his character in TNG.
 
2012-02-28 06:45:44 PM  

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: ArkAngel: I've said it before and I'll say it again - I like Voyager. And I liked it before 36D of 9 showed up.

Me too. Conversely, I never understood all the love showered on DS9.


It's the only one that had a real story arc. Made it harder to get into for casual watchers but way more rewarding for those who showed up every week.
 
2012-02-28 06:46:20 PM  

Mugato: FirstNationalBastard: However, DS9 left no character unchanged from their beginnings

Well except the whole Sisko going from a non-believer who hated his post to a believer who called Bajor his home to a prophet. And Bashir admitting to and accepting his genetically altered past. And Dax turning from a tall hottie to a short cutie. And Nog going from a deliquent into an officer. And Odo not knowing who or what he was to discovering, joining and defying his people. Or Kira being a belligerent biatch who hated Starfleet to practically joining. Or Dukat starting as a sort of friendly ambassador between Bajor and Cardassia into a Dominion sympathizer into a demon.

I guess Cheif O'Brien was fairly constant.


Oddly, I parsed his post as "every character changed".
 
2012-02-28 06:51:13 PM  

rickycal78: Eh, I guess he could be considered constant, but they developed his character a hell of a lot more in DS9 from his character in TNG.


Yeah but he couldn't be arsed to take some night classes and become an officer? I don't now much about the military but couldn't that little Ferengi bastard Nog order him around once he graduated Starfleet?
 
2012-02-28 07:02:23 PM  

Mugato: rickycal78: Eh, I guess he could be considered constant, but they developed his character a hell of a lot more in DS9 from his character in TNG.

Yeah but he couldn't be arsed to take some night classes and become an officer? I don't now much about the military but couldn't that little Ferengi bastard Nog order him around once he graduated Starfleet?


Kind of. His rank fluctuated between both TNG and DS9, but I think they settled on him basically being one of the higher enlisted ranks. As far as military rank structure goes, yes, Nog being the equivalent to what we referred to as a "butter bar lieutenant" in the Army, he could have ordered O'Brien around. He would have been stupid to do so and many higher ranking folks both enlisted and officer would have looked at Nog funny had he tried to do so.

I mostly tried to ignore the rank stuff in most Trek simply due to how ridiculous ranks were shown to be in that show. I will admit slight ignorance to Navy/Marine type ranks that are closer to the ranks used on the Trek shows, but they showed an awful lot of the legwork being done by officers, which is contrary to my Army experience.
 
2012-02-28 07:04:00 PM  
Gumbass Submitter.
 
2012-02-28 07:12:03 PM  

simplicimus: Mugato: FirstNationalBastard: However, DS9 left no character unchanged from their beginnings

Well except the whole Sisko going from a non-believer who hated his post to a believer who called Bajor his home to a prophet. And Bashir admitting to and accepting his genetically altered past. And Dax turning from a tall hottie to a short cutie. And Nog going from a deliquent into an officer. And Odo not knowing who or what he was to discovering, joining and defying his people. Or Kira being a belligerent biatch who hated Starfleet to practically joining. Or Dukat starting as a sort of friendly ambassador between Bajor and Cardassia into a Dominion sympathizer into a demon.

I guess Cheif O'Brien was fairly constant.

Oddly, I parsed his post as "every character changed".


Yeah, No character was unchanged, meaning every character changed over the course of the series. Even O'Brien. I mean, he was tortured every season for shiats and giggles, replaced by his double from three hours in the future, spent 20 years in a mental prison, and may or may not have fallen in love with Doctor Bashir. Hell, the writers even said that if they had known that they were going to do the Nog and Vic Fontaine spotlight episode about Nog's lost leg, they would have blown both of Chief O'Brien's legs off instead.

...was it some kind of double negative thing I used that threw everyone?
 
2012-02-28 07:20:16 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: However, DS9 left no character unchanged from their beginnings.


Jake stagnated after a while and wasn't even around for most of season 7. He was in fewer episodes of season 7 as a regular than the guest stars like Salome Jens, Jeffrey Combs or J.G. Hertzler.
 
2012-02-28 07:24:50 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: ...was it some kind of double negative thing I used that threw everyone?


Oh yeah, I guess I read that as the opposite. I'm on painkillers, give me a break.
 
2012-02-28 07:26:05 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Hell, the writers even said that if they had known that they were going to do the Nog and Vic Fontaine spotlight episode about Nog's lost leg, they would have blown both of Chief O'Brien's legs off instead.


That episode was fine as is, and I consider it one of the better episodes from the show, despite not being a fan of most of the Vic Fontaine stuff.
 
2012-02-28 07:27:48 PM  

rickycal78: they could have done without the temporal cold war crap and space Nazi's.


There are always Nazis....always.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-02-28 07:29:05 PM  

rickycal78: I mostly tried to ignore the rank stuff in most Trek simply due to how ridiculous ranks were shown to be in that show. I will admit slight ignorance to Navy/Marine type ranks that are closer to the ranks used on the Trek shows, but they showed an awful lot of the legwork being done by officers, which is contrary to my Army experience.


The rank structure in Trek is bizarre, I've read, because for some reason Roddenberry didn't believe that anyone in Starfleet was below an ensign. There are no non-commissioned ranks at all, and in fact they don't suddenly appear until DS9. So, without explanation, O'Brien seems to get a sudden demotion. He was called Chief from pretty early on in TNG, but his rank was Lieutenant.
 
2012-02-28 07:30:29 PM  

Mugato: DS9, definitely. That seems to be all they're for. That and for Dr. Bashir and Chief O' Brien to get into those leather flight suits and...we never saw those airplanes, did we? Oh God.



You sick, observant, imaginitive fark.
You write slashfic don't you? (throwing up in my mouth a bit)
 
2012-02-28 07:31:23 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: BKITU: Just wait until Captain Pickacard and Commander Royker hear about this!

You're on to something. This is one of those Chinese knock offs, isn't it? Star Trec?

/Kuntuh Kynte
// I know. Let's play a game. Hmmm. Let's see...There's Scribble and Gamey and Monotony and Pure Cheesy and Misery Date.


Pure win.

/Don't Whiz on the Electric Fence
/my favorite game in the whole wide world
 
2012-02-28 07:33:09 PM  

Kurmudgeon: rickycal78: they could have done without the temporal cold war crap and space Nazi's.

There are always Nazis....always.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 260x195]


Yeah, yeah I know. Hell even Farscape had a variation of space Nazi's with the Peacekeepers, but at least they were done decently. Those stupid aliens in Nazi regalia for those 2 episodes of Enterprise were just plain ridiculous.
 
2012-02-28 07:39:19 PM  

Leo Bloom's Freakout: Mugato: Menjo_Bleeko: Mulgrew only got to *overact* on her show.

It didn't help that she sounded like she smoked three packs a day and shoved a bottle brush down her throat every morning.

Am I the only one who thought she was just trying to do Katharine Hepburn impressions throughout the entire series? Since episode one, the first thing I thought, hearing her talk while getting food in the kitchen was "Wow, that sounds a lot like Hepburn..."


I thought she was just trying to channel her husband

/err, one more thing...
 
2012-02-28 08:05:16 PM  
Georgi LaForge isn't a real person.
 
2012-02-28 08:39:30 PM  

Keigh: YixilTesiphon: Counter_Intelligent: FTA: Michael Dorn is out spending his money.

Michael Dorn has money to spend?

Didn't he go the whole run of TNG and most of DS9? That's got to get you some money.

Also, what's ST:E, chopped liver? Am I the only person who liked watched it?

there ya go.

/yes


Oh no. I watched it. For four long years, I watched it. I don't know why. I didn't get one good episode. I got shiat like "The Catwalk", but I still watched it.

That is, until "In a Mirror, Darkly". And that was glorious about as good as a random sixth-season episode of TNG.
 
2012-02-28 08:59:35 PM  

Mugato: t
And are there jizzmoppers for holodecks or are they self cleaning?


Where do you think Quark got all that yamek sauce?
 
2012-02-28 09:08:12 PM  
FTA:
"Everybody had a sexual identity, even Data the robot. But Geordi didn't. The Klingon did. But the black man didn't."

Um, LeVar, I hate to break it to you, but the Klingon was played by a black man. You taking something personally doesn't mean race had anything to do with it dude.
 
2012-02-28 09:09:09 PM  

KingKauff: ArkAngel: I've said it before and I'll say it again - I like Voyager. And I liked it before 36D of 9 showed up.

Me too. I think we're the two farkers that liked it.


Also liked it.

//female too
 
2012-02-28 09:11:36 PM  

glassa: KingKauff: ArkAngel: I've said it before and I'll say it again - I like Voyager. And I liked it before 36D of 9 showed up.

Me too. I think we're the two farkers that liked it.

Also liked it.

//female too


Liked it too, but it had it's share of faults that I biatch about. I can't think of a single Trek show or movie I've absolutely hated and couldn't enjoy at least a little bit. Some just had more criticism directed towards it.
 
2012-02-28 09:15:16 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: FTA: Michael Dorn is out spending his money.

Michael Dorn has money to spend?


www.joeydevilla.com
 
2012-02-28 09:18:10 PM  
I enjoyed DS9 (mainly Dominion story arc) Recently I watched some of the episodes in the first few seasons then skipped directly to the Dominion stuff and watched those in a straight storyline until the end. Thanks Netflix!

/I skipped over any Vic Fontaine heavy episodes.
//Kira and Ezri Dax making out in an alternate universe = hawt
 
2012-02-28 09:20:02 PM  

tlchwi02: Mugato: DS9, definitely. That seems to be all they're for. That and for Dr. Bashir and Chief O' Brien to get into those leather flight suits and...we never saw those airplanes, did we? Oh God.

i wonder if the federation bans holosex... it seems like it could be a pretty major socially disruptive force to be able to re-create and bone whomever you wanted to, without their permission.

would that make them robosexuals? the noisy killer?


I don't think so. Janeway had sex with a holocharacter in an episode. She falls in love with the old-timey pub owner in their holodeck version of an Irish town.

So am I to take from LeVar's statement that the only reason Ensign Kim never succeeded with women was just because he was Asian?
 
2012-02-28 09:24:18 PM  

tlchwi02: i wonder if the federation bans holosex...


Almost certainly not. Remember Barclay? He was getting it on with holo-versions of his fellow officers, and I remember upon catching him they were somewhat flummoxed that it wasn't against the regs.
 
2012-02-28 09:24:38 PM  
Also a fan of ST: E Couldn't miss it with Scott Bakula at the helm. Oh Boy!
 
2012-02-28 09:36:26 PM  

glassa: tlchwi02: Mugato: DS9, definitely. That seems to be all they're for. That and for Dr. Bashir and Chief O' Brien to get into those leather flight suits and...we never saw those airplanes, did we? Oh God.

i wonder if the federation bans holosex... it seems like it could be a pretty major socially disruptive force to be able to re-create and bone whomever you wanted to, without their permission.

would that make them robosexuals? the noisy killer?

I don't think so. Janeway had sex with a holocharacter in an episode. She falls in love with the old-timey pub owner in their holodeck version of an Irish town.

So am I to take from LeVar's statement that the only reason Ensign Kim never succeeded with women was just because he was Asian?


What else would Holodecks be for?

I'd wager Holodecks were only invented for farking purposes.
 
2012-02-28 09:40:59 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: What else would Holodecks be for?

I'd wager Holodecks were only invented for farking purposes.


I figure most interactive technology from interactive DVDs to VR to holograms was first invented with pr0n in mind. I don't care how enlightened the 24th is, people are still people.
 
2012-02-28 09:49:55 PM  

Underabridge: Knight of the Woeful Countenance: ArkAngel: I've said it before and I'll say it again - I like Voyager. And I liked it before 36D of 9 showed up.

Me too. Conversely, I never understood all the love showered on DS9.

Think of Harry Kim in Season 1.
Think of Harry Kim in Season 7.

The exact same character.

Think of Nog in Season 1 of DS9.
Think of Nog in Season 7 of DS9.

See the difference?
I will admit Nog is an extreme example but look at Odo, Bashir, Daxx, hell even Gull Dukat and his lackey Damar completely change by the end of the series.


Harry Kim came through in "Timeless" from Season 5. Which was directed by . . . LaVar Burton. Holy crap what a coincidence!
 
2012-02-28 09:54:12 PM  

glassa: So am I to take from LeVar's statement that the only reason Ensign Kim never succeeded with women was just because he was Asian?


Harry Kim never succeeded with women because he managed to be the least interesting person in the galaxy.
 
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