FARK.com: (6966077) New Michigan poll shows Santorum regaining the lead over Romney by a point, but if you just look at the numbers from Monday, Santorum is up by five. This is good news... for Obama

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		New Michigan poll shows Santorum regaining the lead over Romney by a point, but if you just look at the numbers from Monday, Santorum is up by five. This is good news... for Obama (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com)		85
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NowhereMon		2012-02-27 11:21:42 PM

If I were a Dem in MI I would vote for him in the GOP primary...

teto85		2012-02-28 12:37:27 AM

NowhereMon: If I were a Dem in MI I would vote for him in the GOP primary...

MI Dem Party are unofficially asking its members to do just that, if they so desire to vote in the R primary.

Tarkus		2012-02-28 02:56:28 AM

teto85: NowhereMon: If I were a Dem in MI I would vote for him in the GOP primary...

MI Dem Party are unofficially asking its members to do just that, if they so desire to vote in the R primary.

Actually the robocalls for Democrats to vote for Santorum are coming from the Santorum (new window) campaign and PACs (new window).

MaudlinMutantMollusk		2012-02-28 07:41:21 AM

I'll +1 that headline simply for not using the word "surge

Lando Lincoln		2012-02-28 09:10:07 AM

Fivethirtyeight is saying that Romney has a 55% chance to win Michigan, Santorum a 45% chance to win. It's going to be a real close one.

RexTalionis		2012-02-28 09:11:55 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'll +1 that headline simply for not using the word "surge

Santorum has found an outpouring of support in Michigan. His constant pounding of Mitt Romney has resulted in a wellspring of funds from donors gushing about his conservative values. However, he must always be vigilant to prevent gaffes or internal leaks that may flood his campaign with bad press.

I_Am_Weasel		2012-02-28 09:57:28 AM

RexTalionis: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'll +1 that headline simply for not using the word "surge

Santorum has found an outpouring of support in Michigan. His constant pounding of Mitt Romney has resulted in a wellspring of funds from donors gushing about his conservative values. However, he must always be vigilant to prevent gaffes or internal leaks that may flood his campaign with bad press.

Why yes, Santorum has support coming out his...uh, somethingorother.

Jacobin		2012-02-28 10:04:35 AM

It would be interesting for santorum to get the nomination for the lulz in the same way it is interesting to stand on the edge of a precipice. You know you aren't going to fall but there is that little "what if" in the back of your mind

trotsky		2012-02-28 10:05:23 AM

How's that Operations Chaos working out for ya, Rush?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

i.qkme.me

Carth		2012-02-28 10:06:30 AM

Margin of error, how does it work?

qorkfiend		2012-02-28 10:07:58 AM

RexTalionis: MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'll +1 that headline simply for not using the word "surge

Santorum has found an outpouring of support in Michigan. His constant pounding of Mitt Romney has resulted in a wellspring of funds from donors gushing about his conservative values. However, he must always be vigilant to prevent gaffes or internal leaks that may flood his campaign with bad press.

At the same time, Romney has stumbled, badly. "I have a lot of friends who are NASCAR ~~fans enthusiasts watchers~~ team owners." It takes a special kind of person to screw up a useless platitude towards NASCAR.

Philip Francis Queeg		2012-02-28 10:08:50 AM

I still cannot fathom the fact that a significant portion of the US population support sRick Farking Santorum for President.

InmanRoshi		2012-02-28 10:09:23 AM

Lando Lincoln: Fivethirtyeight is saying that Romney has a 55% chance to win Michigan, Santorum a 45% chance to win. It's going to be a real close one.

Yep. Should be a fun horse race tonight. Santorum outperformed his poll numbers in Colorado, Missouri and Minnesota by using the evangelical grass roots movement to get out the vote. It should be interesting to see how it plays out.

Romney is in for some stormy seas heading into Super Tuesday if he can't pull out Michigan. Ohio, Oklahoma, Alaska, North Dakota probably go Santorum, and the only thing from getting Georgia and Tennessee is Newt making one final desperation last stand in his backyard.

Boxcutta		2012-02-28 10:11:07 AM

At this point, I'm not so sure Santorum is a worse candidate than Romney. "Moderate" Republicans may support him, he's more genuine than Romney, seems to actually believe the nonsense he's spewing and has a lower unfavorable rating.

Plus if Santorum wins and the establishment flips out they could try to force someone less awful into the race, a la Chris Christie or Jeb Bush or Mitch Daniels. Not that they're not terribly flawed candidates as well, it's just that I'm not confident they'll be as terribly flawed as Romney.

qorkfiend		2012-02-28 10:11:40 AM

Carth: Margin of error, how does it work?

The point is the overall trend of the numbers, and that Santorum is trending upwards in what should be a solid state for Romney.

Carth		2012-02-28 10:12:25 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: I still cannot fathom the fact that a significant portion of the US population support sRick Farking Santorum for President.

A significant portion of the US believes the earth is around 6000 years old, global warming is a myth designed by scientists and are their savior Jesus would oppose universal healthcare. Liking Santorum doesn't seem that out of line.

qorkfiend		2012-02-28 10:12:32 AM

Boxcutta: t this point, I'm not so sure Santorum is a worse candidate than Romney.

Romney has certainly lost the "electability" argument.

sendtodave		2012-02-28 10:16:05 AM

Hey, you know what would be hilarious?

If we're all misreading how farked up people in this country really are, and Santorum actually beats Obama! Hoo boy, that would be a blast.

It'd never happen, of course. That'd be like a majority of people in liberal lefty California voting against gay rights!

/never underestimate the power of bigotry
//or old people

Carth		2012-02-28 10:16:53 AM

qorkfiend: Carth: Margin of error, how does it work?

The point is the overall trend of the numbers, and that Santorum is trending upwards in what should be a solid state for Romney.

PPP's MoE has been 8% for these polls. Santorum's support hasn't really changed all month. Romney's has moved up and down within the margin of error.

sweetmelissa31		2012-02-28 10:17:21 AM

Haha. Even Pennsyltucky couldn't stand him.

/Unfortunately lived in the state when he was senator.

Im_Gumby		2012-02-28 10:17:38 AM

I voted for Frothy this morning... in the hopes of a brokered convention.

/and for more chances for them to keep saying stupid things
//and for more amusing politics threads
///still feel dirty doing it

PanicMan		2012-02-28 10:19:45 AM

oh pleaseoh pleaseoh pleaseoh pleaseoh pleaseoh please!

InmanRoshi		2012-02-28 10:21:15 AM

Boxcutta: At this point, I'm not so sure Santorum is a worse candidate than Romney. "Moderate" Republicans may support him, he's more genuine than Romney, seems to actually believe the nonsense he's spewing and has a lower unfavorable rating.

Plus if Santorum wins and the establishment flips out they could try to force someone less awful into the race, a la Chris Christie or Jeb Bush or Mitch Daniels. Not that they're not terribly flawed candidates as well, it's just that I'm not confident they'll be as terribly flawed as Romney.

I think Santorum is actually a bigger threat to Democrats in the big picture. I don't think either candidate is beating Obama, so they should just concede the Presidency and focus on retaking the Senate. At least with Santorum they can get the crazy evangelicals out to win in homeground states of North Dakota, Montana, Nebraska and Missouri.

EWreckedSean		2012-02-28 10:21:35 AM

Good lord I hate Obama, but there is no way in hell I could sleep at night voting for Santorum if he wins the nomination. Betting if he does this will be the best turn out ever for the Libertarian Party. GOP is liable to start thanking Ron Paul a whole lot for pushing this into a contested convention if we see a Santorum win here.

EWreckedSean		2012-02-28 10:22:28 AM

Im_Gumby: I voted for Frothy this morning... in the hopes of a brokered convention.

/and for more chances for them to keep saying stupid things
//and for more amusing politics threads
///still feel dirty doing it

It'll be a contested convention, not a brokered one.

cc_rider		2012-02-28 10:25:00 AM

C'mon MI. farkers...do it! How else are we going to keep these awesome headlines going?

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Between his insane views and the Google bomb, there is no way in HELL that moran could win in the general election.

FeedTheCollapse		2012-02-28 10:27:56 AM

InmanRoshi: I think Santorum is actually a bigger threat to Democrats in the big picture. I don't think either candidate is beating Obama, so they should just concede the Presidency and focus on retaking the Senate. At least with Santorum they can get the crazy evangelicals out to win in homeground states of North Dakota, Montana, Nebraska and Missouri.

... but I also think that for as many people as Santorum gets turned out, probably twice as many Democrat-friendly supporters will turn out against him.

Though I think Obama will likely trounce Santorum, the idea that Santorum would get that close to the White House, and is doing much better than most would've thought he would, does make me a little uncomfortable.

FooDog		2012-02-28 10:32:37 AM

It would be hilarious if Mittens bombs and lost MI.

madgonad		2012-02-28 10:34:26 AM

Obama needs to replace Biden with Hillary in the VP slot for the November election. That would lock up all of the swing states and maybe even flip some red ones. Biden isn't going to run for President in 2016, might as well give someone who will a launch pad. Oh, and that someone won't be Al Gore.

DarnoKonrad		2012-02-28 10:36:49 AM

FooDog: It would be hilarious if Mittens bombs and lost MI.

I don't think having a domestic taliban leading the second major party of the most powerful nation on earth is particularly funny.

Wicked Chinchilla		2012-02-28 10:37:58 AM

FooDog: It would be hilarious if Mittens bombs and lost MI.

hilarious doesn't even adequately describe the LOLs that will be had.
/though it is kind of impressive Mitt was able to come back from a double digit deficit without dropping his massive negative bomb like in Florida...

Philip Francis Queeg		2012-02-28 10:39:01 AM

madgonad: Obama needs to replace Biden with Hillary in the VP slot for the November election. That would lock up all of the swing states and maybe even flip some red ones. Biden isn't going to run for President in 2016, might as well give someone who will a launch pad. Oh, and that someone won't be Al Gore.

Hillary isn't going to run in 2016 either. If she still had that ambition she would never have left the Senate.

Wicked Chinchilla		2012-02-28 10:40:00 AM

DarnoKonrad: FooDog: It would be hilarious if Mittens bombs and lost MI.

I don't think having a domestic taliban leading the second major party of the most powerful nation on earth is particularly funny.

Oh, neither do I. I would honestly have mittens be the nominee, but if he loses I will be laughing just the same. In the end its still just one state, we aren't even halfway through, and Rmoney has more than double the delegates of ol' Santifroth.

qorkfiend		2012-02-28 10:41:52 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: madgonad: Obama needs to replace Biden with Hillary in the VP slot for the November election. That would lock up all of the swing states and maybe even flip some red ones. Biden isn't going to run for President in 2016, might as well give someone who will a launch pad. Oh, and that someone won't be Al Gore.

Hillary isn't going to run in 2016 either. If she still had that ambition she would never have left the Senate.

I also don't see how putting Hillary Clinton on the ticket would change the electoral calculus in any meaningful way.

Gonz		2012-02-28 10:43:06 AM

Im_Gumby: ///still feel dirty doing it

I voted for Debra Medina- a 9/11 Truther who Ann Coulter called a "wingnut"- so I understand. I even had a Medina bumper sticker on my rear window, over my "Obama '08" sticker. I understand how you feel.

//Only one person asked. I told him "I'm a single-issue voter" and walked away. One of the finest Dadaist moments of my life.

Boxcutta		2012-02-28 10:44:44 AM

madgonad: Obama needs to replace Biden with Hillary in the VP slot for the November election. That would lock up all of the swing states and maybe even flip some red ones. Biden isn't going to run for President in 2016, might as well give someone who will a launch pad. Oh, and that someone won't be Al Gore.

I hear a lot of people saying this and I don't know why. Hillary is not going to bring any D voters on board but there are "independents" out there who dislike her more than Obama because she killed that Foster fellow or whatever.

Delay		2012-02-28 10:47:00 AM

Lando Lincoln: Fivethirtyeight is saying that Romney has a 55% chance to win Michigan, Santorum a 45% chance to win. It's going to be a real close one.

Only 38 percent of "very conservative" Americans now express favorable views of the smarmy rich guy. That's his lowest mark of the campaign and down 16 percentage points over the past two weeks. Washington Post/ABC poll.

The low income Republicans love Sarah and hate Mitt. The prospects of a contested convention makes them happy.

sgtlejeune		2012-02-28 10:47:32 AM

NowhereMon: If I were a Dem in MI I would vote for him in the GOP primary...

orange-envelopes.com

indylaw		2012-02-28 10:50:35 AM

madgonad: Obama needs to replace Biden with Hillary in the VP slot for the November election. That would lock up all of the swing states and maybe even flip some red ones. Biden isn't going to run for President in 2016, might as well give someone who will a launch pad. Oh, and that someone won't be Al Gore.

The problem is that Hillary is possibly even more polarizing than Barack Obama. Give her a platform in the VP debates and she's bound to go off message.

madgonad		2012-02-28 10:56:59 AM

Boxcutta: madgonad: Obama needs to replace Biden with Hillary in the VP slot for the November election. That would lock up all of the swing states and maybe even flip some red ones. Biden isn't going to run for President in 2016, might as well give someone who will a launch pad. Oh, and that someone won't be Al Gore.

I hear a lot of people saying this and I don't know why. Hillary is not going to bring any D voters on board but there are "independents" out there who dislike her more than Obama because she killed that Foster fellow or whatever.

Her national polling numbers, 68%, probably make her the best-liked person in Washington (from either party). She has already anounced that she will not remain at the State Dept next term. Since she is only 64 now (and would be 68 during the next presidential election cycle) there is no reason for her not to consider it.

Geotpf		2012-02-28 10:57:39 AM

Tarkus: teto85: NowhereMon: If I were a Dem in MI I would vote for him in the GOP primary...

MI Dem Party are unofficially asking its members to do just that, if they so desire to vote in the R primary.

Actually the robocalls for Democrats to vote for Santorum are coming from the Santorum (new window) campaign and PACs (new window).

I'm sure, but the Michigan Democratic Party and Daily Kos are also encouraging such.

fenianfark		2012-02-28 10:57:52 AM

I thought that current polling in Michigan was only somewhat relevant as Mittens has benefited from early voting when he was polling ahead of Frothy. Correct me if I'm wrong.

/I voted for Senator Frothy in the MIssouri non-binding primary.

Mr_H		2012-02-28 10:58:03 AM

NowhereMon: If I were a Dem in MI I would vote for him in the GOP primary...

I'm an independent in Michigan and I've contemplated it....but damn, it's really really hard to bring myself to vote for the fool.

/lived in PA for a while too
//moved before I had a chance to vote against him back then

Rozotorical		2012-02-28 10:59:01 AM

Geotpf		2012-02-28 11:00:58 AM

madgonad: Boxcutta: madgonad: Obama needs to replace Biden with Hillary in the VP slot for the November election. That would lock up all of the swing states and maybe even flip some red ones. Biden isn't going to run for President in 2016, might as well give someone who will a launch pad. Oh, and that someone won't be Al Gore.

I hear a lot of people saying this and I don't know why. Hillary is not going to bring any D voters on board but there are "independents" out there who dislike her more than Obama because she killed that Foster fellow or whatever.

Her national polling numbers, 68%, probably make her the best-liked person in Washington (from either party). She has already anounced that she will not remain at the State Dept next term. Since she is only 64 now (and would be 68 during the next presidential election cycle) there is no reason for her not to consider it.

It's still not going to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if she runs for President in 2016 (possibly against Biden and who knows who else), but she's not going to be Obama's VP in 2012.

I also wouldn't be surprised if she goes into semi-retirement and doesn't run in 2016.

InmanRoshi		2012-02-28 11:01:05 AM

FeedTheCollapse: ... but I also think that for as many people as Santorum gets turned out, probably twice as many Democrat-friendly supporters will turn out against him.

You're assuming there's a huge amount of "Democrat-friendly" supporters in North Dakota, Montana and Nebraska that are just sitting on the sidelines. There's not. The only way the GOP could avoid taking those Senate races is if they deflated their crazy base enough that they don't turn out.

cc_rider		2012-02-28 11:01:11 AM

Alright people...there is no way the majority of Americans are going to vote for a leader whose name has become synonymous with "the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex."

Can you imagine Frothy walking into a meeting of world leaders and everyone else at the table is pointing at their smartphones and giggling? Relax, it's not going to happen.

What I do hope will happen is that the majority of moderate Americans become disgusted with this insane crap the GOP has been spewing out, and that they are forced to backpedal on their move to the extreme and religious right and come back to reality.

In meantime, the Dems could quietly get their shiat together and vote out some of our "dead wood" like the pricks who voted for SOPA/PIPA etc.

Unrelated: I don't know why some people would want Hillary on the VP slot, when she is actually doing a hell of a job and getting more done as SOS. I give her a lot of credit, considering all the crap she's had to deal with.

InmanRoshi		2012-02-28 11:04:10 AM

madgonad: Her national polling numbers, 68%, probably make her the best-liked person in Washington (from either party). She has already anounced that she will not remain at the State Dept next term. Since she is only 64 now (and would be 68 during the next presidential election cycle) there is no reason for her not to consider it.

People removed from election politics tend to be liked up until the point they get into election politics and get put into the crosshairs.

InmanRoshi		2012-02-28 11:07:25 AM

DarnoKonrad: FooDog: It would be hilarious if Mittens bombs and lost MI.

I don't think having a domestic taliban leading the second major party of the most powerful nation on earth is particularly funny.

No, but I also don't think it's good for the country in it's current state of only having one sane political party to choose from. GOP needs a "rock bottom" moment to stop the downward cycle, and having a bonafide "real conservative" lose to Obama by 250 electoral votes might be the only thing that can provide it.

Lando Lincoln		2012-02-28 11:07:37 AM

fenianfark: I thought that current polling in Michigan was only somewhat relevant as Mittens has benefited from early voting when he was polling ahead of Frothy. Correct me if I'm wrong.

/I voted for Senator Frothy in the MIssouri non-binding primary.

You really think a huge portion of people are going to early vote for Mitt Romney?

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