Kibbler: It's obvious that this movie is a 90-minute recruiting commercial. The dialogue will be "blah blah FIGHT AND WIN." The characters will be John Studly and Proudfoot AmericaChief.

*snore*

At least Predator had awesome oneliners, young Arnie, and was the one Predator movie that didn't objectively* suck.

*I've been meaning to see Predators, though reviews don't augur well for it.

Galloping Galoshes: FreetardoRivera: It isn't politically motivated.

The few SEALs I've known didn't appear to be deranged bloodthirsty killers easily motivated by a movie. Somehow I don't think that's the kind of recruit the SEALs are looking for.

Let it go.

From Popular Mechanics article on the film:

"When we met these guys, they were so different than we expected," says Mike McCoy, one of the film's co-directors. "It is almost criminal how they are portrayed in pop culture, as mixed-up Rambo-type terminators. Instead they are very grounded, smart, and family-oriented."

and

"We want a young man watching this film to see that there is a lot of sacrifice involved for you and your family when you choose this," Waugh says. "That's part of a responsible message."

Lunaville: If I spend money on a war movie, it's more likely to be Red Tails. I'm more likely to see Arrietty next, though. Maybe my kids and I should reread the Borrowers.

Run, don't walk to see Arrietty. One of Studio Ghibli's best, not that they do anything bad.

(think Anime version of Pixar)

Forgot to add that Act of Valor is going to be this generation's Top Gun, and all that that implies...

Gleeman: Lunaville: If I spend money on a war movie, it's more likely to be Red Tails. I'm more likely to see Arrietty next, though. Maybe my kids and I should reread the Borrowers.

Run, don't walk to see Arrietty. One of Studio Ghibli's best, not that they do anything bad.

(think Anime version of Pixar)

Stop trying to threadjack by talking about good movies.

but then again Arrietty doesn't even have REAL LIVE AUTHENTIC fairies in it.

CSS:

I got to interview a few SEALs for a book I'm working on.

How one of them decided he wanted to be a SEAL? When he was a kid he saw the Charlie Sheen movie.

So you never know.

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Lunaville: If I spend money on a war movie, it's more likely to be Red Tails. I'm more likely to see Arrietty next, though. Maybe my kids and I should reread the Borrowers.

So your first inclination is to watch a George Lucas war movie instead of one using actual Navy SEALs?

Actual Navy SEALS probably make bad actors.

Wayne 985: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Lunaville: If I spend money on a war movie, it's more likely to be Red Tails. I'm more likely to see Arrietty next, though. Maybe my kids and I should reread the Borrowers.

So your first inclination is to watch a George Lucas war movie instead of one using actual Navy SEALs?

Actual Navy SEALS probably make bad actors.

So do Terence Howard and Cuba Gooding Jr.

It's funny, now that gays are openly serving in the Navy, the recruitment movies aren't as fabulous as they used to be.

Gleeman: Forgot to add that Act of Valor is going to be this generation's Top Gun, and all that that implies...

Ick, now I'll never want to see Act of Valor. I'm usually all for Tom Cruises' soft-porn flicks for women, but Top Gun glorified the kind of attention-whoring, hot-dogging,irresponsible insolence that gets people killed.

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Wayne 985: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Lunaville: If I spend money on a war movie, it's more likely to be Red Tails. I'm more likely to see Arrietty next, though. Maybe my kids and I should reread the Borrowers.

So your first inclination is to watch a George Lucas war movie instead of one using actual Navy SEALs?

Actual Navy SEALS probably make bad actors.

So do Terence Howard and Cuba Gooding Jr.

Thank you for the trolling confirmation.

Mugato: Galloping Galoshes: The few SEALs I've known didn't appear to be deranged bloodthirsty killers easily motivated by a movie. Somehow I don't think that's the kind of recruit the SEALs are looking for.

Your anecdotal evidence aside, the entire history of American methods of recruitment would disagree with you.

Really? Seems like most recruiters are looking to make their quota; it's not like they have long lines to pick from. "Hear thunder, see lightning" pretty much sums up their selection criteria.

Thorndyke Barnhard: This text is now purple: Just because it's propaganda doesn't mean it's bad, or poorly done.

I think you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree that overt jingoistic warmongering propaganda isn't inherently "bad".

Use of the word "jingoistic" automatic penalty box from and the calling card of a professional retard. Sorry you were picked last in gym class, and that you are not smart.

I guess I'll take a yellow card for a severe proofreading infraction.

Stinkyy: I guess I'll take a yellow card for a severe proofreading infraction.

Bad idea to declare someone "not smart" in a garbled post. Sort of, you know, undercuts your message there.

Stinkyy: Thorndyke Barnhard: This text is now purple: Just because it's propaganda doesn't mean it's bad, or poorly done.

I think you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree that overt jingoistic warmongering propaganda isn't inherently "bad".

Use of the word "jingoistic" automatic penalty box from and the calling card of a professional retard. Sorry you were picked last in gym class, and that you are not smart.

Uhm, good for you for not being embarassed by your hatred of vocabulary...I guess? Not really sure what you're looking for here.

Cambridge dictionary:
jingoism noun
/ˈdʒɪŋ.gəʊ.ɪ.zəm//-goʊ-/ disapproving
Definition
the extreme belief that your own country is always best, which is often shown in enthusiastic support for a war against another country (new window)


jin·go·ism (jngg-zm)
n.
Extreme nationalism characterized especially by a belligerent foreign policy; chauvinistic patriotism.

jingo·ist n.
jingo·istic adj.
jingo·isti·cal·ly adv.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. (new window)

Encyclopedia Britannica:
jingoism:
an attitude of belligerent nationalism, the English equivalent of the term chauvinism. The term apparently originated in England during the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78 when the British Mediterranean squadron was sent to Gallipoli to restrain Russia and war fever was aroused. Supporters of the British government's policy toward Russia came to be called jingoes as a result of the phrase "by jingo," which appeared in the refrain of a popular song:We don't want to fight, yet by jingo, if we do,We've got the ships, we've got the men,And got the money, too!

This is a movie for those who want to see how SEALs work, how they do what they do, and what they consider important, including family life and their legacy. That's it.

I saw the movie; it wasn't bad, just not great. It's like a real-life acted version of Ghost Recon^ or Medal of Honor^, played by the people who would have populated a fire team in those games. The action is farking awesome if you like very, very realistic action - think Tears of the Sun. The acting is exactly what you'd expect: pretty sorry, with heavy-handed false drama and some bad cliché phrases - but then again, these are operators, not actors. The actual actors in the film aren't that amazing either, but they do better (I did think Senior Chief did a decent job, though, especially the interrogation scene).

But if you go to see this movie for the acting, you're doing it wrong. This is certainly not a "Top Gun" film, considering that Top Gun got virtually nothing right about Navy F-14 combat except that they used F-14s and landed on carriers. This is more like, again, Tears of the Sun or Blackhawk Down (except those two movies had good actors playing major parts, and the acting was far better, although both still had inaccuracies). There are a few legitimate gripes about some editing for clarity in who-was-where-when in the action scenes for Act of Valor, but that's about all that's fair to call.

If you don't like/care about the SEALs and other SOCOM units, and particularly if you can't forgive lame acting and a straightfoward plot (and by the way, most actual terrorist plots in the real world are pretty damn straightforward in the end), then just catch it on cable and save your Hamiltons. If you are not the type to enjoy this kind of film, congratulations; go see something else, but just shut up in the meantime, we're sick of your "blah blah militant sheeple" blather. While the plot was fiction the rest of the film is just about as real-life as you can get, and some people like seeing that shiat go down and are happy to see a film giving a little semi-anonymous spotlight to the actual operators who do these things for real, especially considering how often Hollywood gets small-unit tactics stupidly wrong.

We're really not interested that some of you have some kind of axe to grind against military films, whether they're recruitment-oriented or just plain gun porn. We're not stupid (most of us) and we get it. We know what this film is, and we don't care because (see sentence 1). You don't like it and that's fine but for the love of jeebus shut the fark up with your proselytizing. Some of you can enjoy wrapping up in your Snuggie and watching Chéri, and others of us can enjoy this okay-in-some-ways-&-kick-arse-in-others SF film in our separate spaces of evening casual amusement.

/carry on

Seraphym: shut up

Welcome to Fark, papa bear, a site for argument and conversation. You're likely to hear differing opinions here. If you don't like it, kindly use your farking ignore feature or leave, instead of whining for the meanies to shut up.

I haven't seen it, so someone let me know if it's worth watching. My prediction is that they hold the guns right, but can't act worth shiat.

festoon: #4 on The 14 Characteristics of Fascism

That's a little unsettling...

Seraphym: This is a movie for those who want to see how SEALs work, how they do what they do, and what they consider important, including family life and their legacy. That's it.
.

You are describing a documentary.

This movie was still very much fiction, Commander Rambo Von Internets.

FreetardoRivera: ill very much fiction, Commander Rambo Von Internets.

Guy admits he works for DOD in his profile. He's not exactly impartial.

Thorndyke Barnhard: FreetardoRivera: ill very much fiction, Commander Rambo Von Internets.

Guy admits he works for DOD in his profile. He's not exactly impartial.

If I can go to Iraq twice and still call a spade a spade then so can he.

The little family line was extra adorable considering the divorce rate service members have. They should have had one of the character's wives bang some dude at the base bowling alley if they wanted to make it realistic.

Wayne 985: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Lunaville: If I spend money on a war movie, it's more likely to be Red Tails. I'm more likely to see Arrietty next, though. Maybe my kids and I should reread the Borrowers.

So your first inclination is to watch a George Lucas war movie instead of one using actual Navy SEALs?

Actual Navy SEALS probably make bad actors.

They should actually be good actors, at least the ones that have to attend Shuras and build relationships in theatre.


/theatre, not to be confused with theater

byteman: festoon: #4 on The 14 Characteristics of Fascism

That's a little unsettling...

A better written version. (new window)

Thorndyke Barnhard: FreetardoRivera: ill very much fiction, Commander Rambo Von Internets.

Guy admits he works for DOD in his profile. He's not exactly impartial.

Is working for the DOD a bad thing you have to admit?

Maybe I should update my profile, they say confession is good for the soul.

Seraphym:
If you don't like/care about the SEALs and other SOCOM units, and particularly if you can't forgive lame acting and a straightfoward plot (and by the way, most actual terrorist plots in the real world are pretty damn straightforward in the end), then just catch it on cable and save your Hamiltons. If you are not the type to enjoy this kind of film, congratulations; go see something else, but just shut up in the meantime, we're sick of your "blah blah militant sheeple" blather. While the plot was fiction the rest of the film is just about as real-life as you can get, and some people like seei ...

I'm calling bullshiat. I saw the movie and it was far worse than I expected.

Everyone on the team manages perfect headshots?
FPS point of view cam? Seriously?
They send a pair of boats with a lot of guns as the backup? Why not just fly the helicopters they brought the boats in with another 10 mins and actually land in the base?
Vests with ceramic ball berings and a gel explosive? Undetectable?!?!?! What about the wires, batteries, and radio transmitter assholes? (Swordfish did it first, and at least they were believable)
Guy falls on a grenade, and he just hops in the air? Pretty sure it would have done significantly more damage.

The only thing they did well was depict the tracer rounds.

The rest of it was complete crap.

Honor to those who serve, but this was a ridiculously bad film.

FreetardoRivera: If I can go to Iraq twice and still call a spade a spade then so can he.

Maybe he can, that doesn't mean he is. Working for the institution whose advertisement he is defending certainly places his objectivity in doubt.

erewhon: Is working for the DOD a bad thing you have to admit?

Maybe I should update my profile, they say confession is good for the soul.

Don't get your panties in a bunch. I didn't say there was anything inherently wrong with working for DOD. In the context of a dubious apology for the propaganda, learning he has a vested interest in the department doesn't exactly help his credibility.

Thorndyke Barnhard: Don't get your panties in a bunch. I didn't say there was anything inherently wrong with working for DOD. In the context of a dubious apology for the propaganda, learning he has a vested interest in the department doesn't exactly help his credibility.

Didn't seem bunchy. I can't imagine other DOD employees going out of their way to advocate some movie because it featured military. It's not like they get stock options. Maybe the guy's a squid and he's just rahrah'ing Navy.

To add, most military action movies are 'entertainment only'.

I do like picking on people about the really screwy movies about their service branch. "The Marine" was a particularly awful movie that I got a lot of mileage out of back when.

I wonder how long it'll be before we get this remade by Chris Rock who feel they have a superior vision.

/still bitter about Death at a Funeral
//FARK YOU CHRIS ROCK
///the original was better
////Same for The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo

Thorndyke Barnhard: Seraphym: shut up

Welcome to Fark, papa bear, a site for argument and conversation. You're likely to hear differing opinions here. If you don't like it, kindly use your farking ignore feature or leave, instead of whining for the meanies to shut up.

Pot ⇒ kettle. "Every who liked this movie in any way is a jingoistic fascist herp-a-derp."

What you heard: [leave-britneyspears-alone.jpg]

What I said: [how-about-nice-cup-shut-the-fark-up.png]

Voicing opinons that have some smidgen of intelligence behind them is one thing. Self-aggrandizing ranting with accusations of jingoism and a general ad-hominem attack against anyone who saw any merit or received any enjoyment in the film is just bullshiat however and you deserve to be called out for it.

If I can go to Iraq twice and still call a spade a spade then so can he.

I'm sorry the military called you fat while you were deployed, but you're obviously bitter. Do some introspection - why does a film with an obvious military association piss you off so much? Or, do you rant and scream about Michael Moore's films too?

I won't call this movie a spade despite my obviously sinister motivations being a part of DoD projects... but how about an overcooked noodle dish that still tasted good? Can some of us have that opinion without being jingoistic fascists?

BubbaWilkins:
I'm calling bullshiat.

I really was about to pass this one by as just ignorance, but they're easy so why not?

Everyone on the team manages perfect headshots?

What's a "perfect headshot?" A bullet hits anywhere within an inch or two inside of a head and it's going to make a splatter. Did you see the "good guys" going 1-shot-1-kill? I sure didn't... there was a lot of magazine reloads in the firefights, somewhat indicative of the opposite. Also, ever been to a range with people who can really shoot well? Fark, I can get easy headshots on silhouettes at 50yds with a holosight and I'm barely an average shooter, with barely any instruction. Perhaps the guys that spend hundreds to thousands of rounds on the range a week are really farking good (answer - yes they are)? Besides, did you notice the "bad guys" were firing from over the top of cover instead of around it? There's a reason that's bad when you have any other choice, especially at close range. Finally, I saw lots of "bad guys" go down from body shots... but aiming for the head is good when you have a chance since the enemy could always be wearing armor too.

FPS point of view cam? Seriously?

Personally, I thought they were a nice 1-second clips to set the scene for what the operator was seeing. YMMV

They send a pair of boats with a lot of guns as the backup?

That's what the Special Boat Teams and the SWCCs^ do - specifically they insert, provide fire support and extract SEALs.

Why not just fly the helicopters they brought the boats in with another 10 mins and actually land in the base?

Are you sure you were watching the movie the whole time? Did you see a big clearing for a twin-rotor CH-47 to land in, never mind facing the prospect of an RPG turning it into a casualty collection point? I'll just let you think over those and move on.

Vests with ceramic ball berings and a gel explosive? Undetectable?!?!?! What about the wires, batteries, and radio transmitter assholes?

It was a hand-held detonator button, as clearly shown in the film, and thin wires for the detonator circuit can easily go undetected in a metal detector^ (pdf, page one).

(Swordfish did it first, and at least they were believable)

I believe claymores^ did it first.

Guy falls on a grenade, and he just hops in the air? Pretty sure it would have done significantly more damage.

[notsureifserious.jpg] From what I could see, it looked like a Soviet-style F1 grenade ^, which has only 60 grams of TNT in it. I'd actually be surprised if it lifted the guy as far as they showed it, but I've never been witness to a test of a frag detonating under 240 pounds of armored-up person before. However, that scene was consistent with what I've read of similar situations^.

The only thing they did well was depict the tracer rounds.

Great, you just broke my hyperbole-meter.

Seraphym: Guy falls on a grenade, and he just hops in the air? Pretty sure it would have done significantly more damage.

[notsureifserious.jpg] From what I could see, it looked like a Soviet-style F1 grenade ^, which has only 60 grams of TNT in it. I'd actually be surprised if it lifted the guy as far as they showed it, but I've never been witness to a test of a frag detonating under 240 pounds of armored-up person before. However, that scene was consistent with what I've read of similar situations^.

Not sure how an M67 compares to an F1, and I've never seen the real thing with a person of course, but for comparison's sake:

M67 grenade vs. Washing machine

/grunts
//gotta love 'em