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2012-02-27 02:06:35 PM

ongbok: These people remind me of the people around where I live that paid $300 - 750K for condos and lofts in these rehabbed buildings that happen to be smack in the middle of a major bar strip. These idiots started demanding that the bars, which most had been there since the early 1900's, in that area shut down a 11pm on weeknights and midnight on weekends. Some people even demanded that the bars be closed completely and that area should be free of bars because now it was a high end residential area.


it happens everywhere. When I was in law school, there was a famous LA supreme court case where some old lady moved into a house on the corner of Bourbon St above a major bar. she filed suit for noise complaints.

/ fortunately, the judge said something like... lady, you moved on to bourbon street. you're crazy if you think we're going to shut those drunk fools up.
// the case is famous for law school because it has a whole bunch of ugly legal issues in it. i don't care to talk about it, because I have nightmares from easements, servitudes, noise restrictions, and all the other invisible ghosts of property law.
 
2012-02-27 02:09:20 PM

MadMonk: My favorite bar had to stop having live music on Friday night because 3 months ago a family with a new born baby moved into an apartment upstairs. It was always the same band that played and everyone always had a good time. I still don't know who in their right mind would think that living above a bar with a baby would be a good idea.


We're getting that crap too, down here in New Orleans. Similar reasons... or sometimes its just some idiot that moved to one of the music capitals of the world and is somehow surprised we like live music at our bars and restaurants.

Don't move to a city if you don't like noise, crowds, and different smells. I don't fault anyone for living in the suburbs. I did for years because I was worn out of city life. But then that attitude changed, now I live in the middle of a city.

And no matter where you live... you know what you're getting into moving atop a bar.
 
2012-02-27 02:09:21 PM
Is this where the correct definition of hipster is given?

By 37 different people? With 37 different definitions?

/Why did the hipster burn his mouth when he drank his coffee? Because he drank it before it was cool.
 
2012-02-27 02:11:19 PM

pute kisses like a man: it happens everywhere. When I was in law school, there was a famous LA supreme court case where some old lady moved into a house on the corner of Bourbon St above a major bar. she filed suit for noise complaints.

/ fortunately, the judge said something like... lady, you moved on to bourbon street. you're crazy if you think we're going to shut those drunk fools up.
// the case is famous for law school because it has a whole bunch of ugly legal issues in it. i don't care to talk about it, because I have nightmares from easements, servitudes, noise restrictions, and all the other invisible ghosts of property law.


Oh, I know. I have a friend who owns a place who's going through that nightmare right now (in New Orleans).

I have barely any connection (certainly not monitary) to it, and it gets me all sorts of angry thinking about it.
 
2012-02-27 02:12:32 PM

pute kisses like a man: it happens everywhere. When I was in law school, there was a famous LA supreme court case where some old lady moved into a house on the corner of Bourbon St above a major bar. she filed suit for noise complaints.

/ fortunately, the judge said something like... lady, you moved on to bourbon street. you're crazy if you think we're going to shut those drunk fools up.
// the case is famous for law school because it has a whole bunch of ugly legal issues in it. i don't care to talk about it, because I have nightmares from easements, servitudes, noise restrictions, and all the other invisible ghosts of property law.


Still happens all the time, though. The big factor is how much the local city/town/country elected officials get involved to "help out the little guy" type crap.

I work at a mine out in the country outside of Houston, 180 000 tons of material going out a year by truck. A mile to the west of us is a large sandpit. All around us is cow pastures and small oil rigs.

And what is being built between us and the sand pit? A housing development. Still want to know what dumbass thought that right smack between two mines as a good place for a higher end housing project.
 
2012-02-27 02:12:51 PM

Rapmaster2000: You're really bad at this. Your suburban wife is not a hipster.


That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me all week.
 
2012-02-27 02:17:57 PM
A favorite of mine from high school:
A new housing development and luxury condo go up in Jacksonville. Next to Naval Air Station Jacksonville. Right past the end of the runway. The runway that all the fighter jets and P3 Orions take off of.

Guess who started complaining about air craft noise? Go one, guess! They even got some dumbasses on the city council and the mayor to back them up. Never really went anywhere; military will do whatever they want and the mayor was reminded that there were a lot of base closings going on and NAS Jax was a huge money source for the city.
 
2012-02-27 02:19:24 PM
I live down the street from this place. They have great deli sandwiches.

I like the smell of coffee and I wouldn't ever complain about something like this, but I can understand how if you lived there you could go crazy after a while.

On one hand, it's not so much to ask that these old local businesses follow the same rules as everyone else. On the other hand that area is full of small local shops like that (old Italian-american businesses, not hipsters, sorry brooklyn haters) and it's nice that there are still enclaves like this and residents and business owners should work together to make sure that community is preserved. Maybe that means dealing with roasting coffee smells if you rented the apartment above.
 
2012-02-27 02:22:08 PM
My problem with brewing coffee is that when I smell it, I have to have a cup.
/I might have a little addiction
 
2012-02-27 02:24:02 PM
Oh I also forgot about one of the Catholic schools in the area. The football team for this school had been holding practice on this land owned by the Dominicans for decades. The Dominicans decided to sell part of this land to some developers and they built these multi million dollar homes on the land. You can guess what happened the next football season when the team had 6 am practices during the summer. From what I understand the home owners association didn't even go and talk to the Dominicans or the school about the team practicing, they went straight for a lawsuit and injunction which was eventually thrown out.
 
2012-02-27 02:24:28 PM
People move into Wrigleyville (Obviously to you and me that it is named for a large sports venue in the area) and complain about the noise and lack of parking all the time. It baffles me to no end.
 
2012-02-27 02:34:03 PM
In all fairness, the smell of coffee being roasted does not smell like roasted coffee.
 
2012-02-27 02:44:06 PM
Time to kick in the I was here first rule.
Don't like the smell? Don't move into the neighborhood.
We have an S&W coffee place here that roast coffee, smells good to me.
 
2012-02-27 02:44:58 PM

downstairs: Oh, I know. I have a friend who owns a place who's going through that nightmare right now (in New Orleans).

I have barely any connection (certainly not monitary) to it, and it gets me all sorts of angry thinking about it.


it depends a lot on the neighborhood. You'll never shut down a bar in the french quarter, but the republic in the CBD is probably going to be shut down for noise. and it might happen, because the CBD is some condo town filled with people from elsewhere.
 
2012-02-27 02:49:12 PM

TheGreatGazoo: downstairs: serial_crusher: downstairs: train horns

I'm sort of one one of those. The intersection near my house is one where the train isn't supposed to blow its horn, but every now and then they do anyhow. STFU already, train.

I didn't know there were intersections where trains weren't allowed to blow horns? I thought they had to blow them at every one they cross over?

They have some intersections that have gates that completely block the crossing versus only halfway. They have some method of making sure there aren't any cars being blocked in. Presumably by having a train move them out of the way.


Some people who bought condos in downtown San Diego near the train tracks were complaining about (wait for it) train noise. So now the city is spending a ton of money to convert the crossings to "quiet crossings" where the trains don't have to blow their horns.
 
2012-02-27 02:49:18 PM

HotWingConspiracy: See when neighbors complained to 311 the DEP stopped by for a visit and discovered that the store never installed an afterburner (which helps reduce the smoke and smell from the roasting process)

Real story: Local business has been ignoring rules that everyone else has had to follow for years, now they have to comply.

But damn those hipsters straight to hell.



You sound hip.
 
2012-02-27 02:53:09 PM

MrEricSir: In all fairness, the smell of coffee being roasted does not smell like roasted coffee.


Correct, but it does smell damn good.

/lives down the block from a roaster.
 
2012-02-27 02:57:08 PM

jjorsett: TheGreatGazoo: downstairs: serial_crusher: downstairs: train horns

I'm sort of one one of those. The intersection near my house is one where the train isn't supposed to blow its horn, but every now and then they do anyhow. STFU already, train.

I didn't know there were intersections where trains weren't allowed to blow horns? I thought they had to blow them at every one they cross over?

They have some intersections that have gates that completely block the crossing versus only halfway. They have some method of making sure there aren't any cars being blocked in. Presumably by having a train move them out of the way.

Some people who bought condos in downtown San Diego near the train tracks were complaining about (wait for it) train noise. So now the city is spending a ton of money to convert the crossings to "quiet crossings" where the trains don't have to blow their horns.


I don't really see why they need to blow their horns at any crossings. Trains are loud enough that you can tell they're coming even without the horn. How about just don't be a dumbass and stay off the traintracks?
 
2012-02-27 02:59:38 PM

AngryDragon: HotWingConspiracy: See when neighbors complained to 311 the DEP stopped by for a visit and discovered that the store never installed an afterburner (which helps reduce the smoke and smell from the roasting process)

Real story: Local business has been ignoring rules that everyone else has had to follow for years, now they have to comply.

But damn those hipsters straight to hell.

You sound hip.


That means I can't be a hipster.
 
2012-02-27 02:59:47 PM

cig-mkr: Time to kick in the I was here first rule.
Don't like the smell? Don't move into the neighborhood.


Doesn't always work that way (new window):
"The court reasoned that, whereas the "coming to a nuisance" doctrine usually bars relief, there was a public interest at play here, and Webb's choice to come to the nuisance could not preclude the public from being protected from the nuisance. "
 
2012-02-27 03:05:37 PM

Satanic_Hamster: pute kisses like a man: it happens everywhere. When I was in law school, there was a famous LA supreme court case where some old lady moved into a house on the corner of Bourbon St above a major bar. she filed suit for noise complaints.

/ fortunately, the judge said something like... lady, you moved on to bourbon street. you're crazy if you think we're going to shut those drunk fools up.
// the case is famous for law school because it has a whole bunch of ugly legal issues in it. i don't care to talk about it, because I have nightmares from easements, servitudes, noise restrictions, and all the other invisible ghosts of property law.

Still happens all the time, though. The big factor is how much the local city/town/country elected officials get involved to "help out the little guy" type crap.

I work at a mine out in the country outside of Houston, 180 000 tons of material going out a year by truck. A mile to the west of us is a large sandpit. All around us is cow pastures and small oil rigs.

And what is being built between us and the sand pit? A housing development. Still want to know what dumbass thought that right smack between two mines as a good place for a higher end housing project.


there's a mine out here?

where?

I live around several sand pits, i do get annoyed with the truck drivers but not the operation it self, just the drivers who'll sometimes cross into the opposite lane coming around a corner, and who're likely running over legal weight
 
2012-02-27 03:08:16 PM
Hrm, interesting! You know, we do things different (and much better than people from New York, New York) than that in New York, Europe
 
2012-02-27 03:08:52 PM

serial_crusher: I don't really see why they need to blow their horns at any crossings. Trains are loud enough that you can tell they're coming even without the horn. How about just don't be a dumbass and stay off the traintracks?


have you not been paying attention to the way people drive?

when autonomous cars arrive, they should become mandatory and you only get to drive a car manually when you can demonstrate proficiency, and not just take a test.
 
2012-02-27 03:09:35 PM

Theaetetus: cig-mkr: Time to kick in the I was here first rule.
Don't like the smell? Don't move into the neighborhood.

Doesn't always work that way (new window):
"The court reasoned that, whereas the "coming to a nuisance" doctrine usually bars relief, there was a public interest at play here, and Webb's choice to come to the nuisance could not preclude the public from being protected from the nuisance. "


I think they're aware that it doesn't always work that way and were opining that they felt it should work that way. In cases where no harm is being done to the planet I'm inclined to agree.
 
2012-02-27 03:11:20 PM

R.A.Danny: FreakinB: No offense to you, but that's just further evidence that most of the use of the term "hipster" on this site is done with a completely incorrect idea about what it means.

Who cares?


He does, because he was calling people a hipster before everyone else.
 
2012-02-27 03:12:43 PM

loonatic112358: there's a mine out here?

where?

I live around several sand pits, i do get annoyed with the truck drivers but not the operation it self, just the drivers who'll sometimes cross into the opposite lane coming around a corner, and who're likely running over legal weight


We're cleverly hidden in plain sight. :0
 
2012-02-27 03:14:12 PM
Hipster? Seems more like a Carroll Gardens over protective lesbian yuppie couple who think their precious snowflake is having negative reaction to coffee roasting because they came down with a case of the sniffles. The coffee sensitivity gets put on top of the pile of nut/gluten/wheat/soy/sugar allergies they've already diagnosed and drummed into their poor 8 year old sack of future neuroses.
 
2012-02-27 03:16:22 PM

ZAZ: A decade ago they came for the bakeries (bread smell is pollution). Now they come for the coffee shops (coffee smell is pollution). What next?


Yep. We used to have a local bakery that had been around since 1902, but it was closed several years back. I could never understand why some of the newer residence who lived in the vicinity of it, or who drove through the area where it was located complained about the smell of fresh baked bread.

Is there any better smell than fresh out of the oven baked goods?

It's akin to those who move to the country and then complain about the odors coming from nearby farms, dairies and ranches.
 
2012-02-27 03:18:17 PM

R.A.Danny: People move into Wrigleyville (Obviously to you and me that it is named for a large sports venue in the area) and complain about the noise and lack of parking all the time. It baffles me to no end.


And then when asked why they moved to Wrigleyville they say "Well, the prices are so much cheaper than they in other parts of the city."

Ugh, yeah. Probably a reason for that.
 
2012-02-27 03:24:47 PM
These people would biatch about Chocolate if they moved to Hershey, PA.
 
2012-02-27 03:27:14 PM
How do you artisanally cuddle a bean?

I have an image in my head involving footie pajamas and My Little Pony fleece blankets but I could be wrong.

What happened to the word hipster? It used to mean creative geeks who wanted to do things different because they were either bored with what was out there or they were too broke to afford what was out there. So, everything was DIY because it didn't exist or they had no choice. A throw back to the punk/indie/grunge/riot grrl movement of the 90's. Now, people are associating hipsters to people who buy from J Crew and The Gap and purchase a 23 dollar cup of coffee. That's not hipster. That's yuppie. You hate funny dressing yuppies.
 
2012-02-27 03:28:04 PM

shivashakti: WTF? Who doesn't love the smell of freshly roasted coffee?
So few places roast their own these days, why in the name of f*ck would you want to try to stop one of them that does?

I wish I had a place like this near me. I'd go every damned day.


Freshly roasted coffee is a beautiful sensual aroma that wraps you in lovely arms of promise.
roasting coffee is a smell that some people smell before they have a stroke.

I say this as an avid coffee roaster.
 
2012-02-27 03:33:47 PM
starcasm.net

I'd have thought the smell from New Jersey would be much worse.
 
2012-02-27 03:35:01 PM

AbbeySomeone: That's a f*cked up comparison. That shop has been roasting coffee beans for many years and the smell has wafted all over the neighborhood. I'm sure that whoever complained about it noticed a coffee roasting establishment when they looked at their new residence.
F*ck the whiners. They moved there and should accept this. Loud parties in the middle of the night are something different unless you moved there knowing that went on.


Sounds to me like they were roasting coffee at different times of the day and real estate agents know this fact so they will avoid neighborhoods at certain times a day, now granted the prospective homeowner should have went to the neighborhood at off times but not everyone uses common sense.

Also it appears they dont have a device that filters away the smoke which probably greatly lessens the smell, although I really dont see the problem since its just beans roasting which has a neutral or pleasant smell, its not like cigarettes which cling to everything and smell like stale ass.
 
2012-02-27 03:36:40 PM
Is not amused by hipsters

images.wikia.com
 
2012-02-27 03:38:13 PM

Theaetetus: Doesn't always work that way (new window):
"The court reasoned that, whereas the "coming to a nuisance" doctrine usually bars relief, there was a public interest at play here, and Webb's choice to come to the nuisance could not preclude the public from being protected from the nuisance. "


If you read further down you will also see they had to pay damages to the feedlot to move them and for their losses after they shut them down, so yeah they won but they still lost since they had to pay for losses.
 
2012-02-27 03:38:14 PM
I moved half a mile away from a park. Turns out they held weekly concerts at the park during the summer. The amount of subwoofers was unnecessary - you could hear the music on the other side of town, and the kick drum shook the house. It was annoying, but I moved, no big deal. It's the kind of thing that makes me never want to buy a house.

/csb
//construction for an apartment complex started behind my house shortly after that
///was happy to leave that town behind
 
2012-02-27 03:39:57 PM

mekki: That's not hipster.


Hipster is whoever you don't like. It's like asshole, but you judge their appearance, not behavior.
 
2012-02-27 03:42:08 PM

steamingpile: Theaetetus: Doesn't always work that way (new window):
"The court reasoned that, whereas the "coming to a nuisance" doctrine usually bars relief, there was a public interest at play here, and Webb's choice to come to the nuisance could not preclude the public from being protected from the nuisance. "

If you read further down you will also see they had to pay damages to the feedlot to move them and for their losses after they shut them down, so yeah they won but they still lost since they had to pay for losses.


Yeah, but that's still a win - the plaintiff was a housing developer. If the feed lot wasn't forced to move, they'd be bankrupt. So, it's either bankruptcy or a slightly-smaller profit than they could have possibly made.
 
2012-02-27 03:49:42 PM
There used to be a dragstrip outside Charlotte NC that had been there 30+ years. People built houses by a dragstrip then complained about noise. They were eventually shut down because of this.
 
2012-02-27 03:50:02 PM

InmanRoshi: R.A.Danny: People move into Wrigleyville (Obviously to you and me that it is named for a large sports venue in the area) and complain about the noise and lack of parking all the time. It baffles me to no end.

And then when asked why they moved to Wrigleyville they say "Well, the prices are so much cheaper than they in other parts of the city."

Ugh, yeah. Probably a reason for that.


Wrigleyville isn't exactly cheap.
 
2012-02-27 03:57:52 PM

Theaetetus: Yeah, but that's still a win - the plaintiff was a housing developer. If the feed lot wasn't forced to move, they'd be bankrupt. So, it's either bankruptcy or a slightly-smaller profit than they could have possibly made.


Which I bet the feedlot probably asked for at the start of the lawsuit and the developer didnt think he had to pay, unless there is more to the suit we wont know for sure but most of these lawsuits are just bullies trying to get their way through the courts instead of being considerate about anything.
 
Juc
2012-02-27 04:00:30 PM

serial_crusher: I don't really see why they need to blow their horns at any crossings. Trains are loud enough that you can tell they're coming even without the horn. How about just don't be a dumbass and stay off the traintracks?


I used to live about 20 feet from a railway crossing where they had to tootle their horns.
On occasion the engineer wouldn't blow the horn, but they were supposed to.

The biggest problem living that close to the tracks isn't the noise ... honestly you get used to it after a couple weeks ... the biggest problem is how those giant engines vibrate everything.

What I'm trying to say is, don't bake soufflés if you can feel the rumble of a train approaching.
 
2012-02-27 04:23:45 PM

BumpInTheNight: Actually according to the article it sounds like the owners suspect its the other urban heralds of gentrification: Breeders.


Well, if it's anything like Stapleton, CO, it's hipsters/DINKS(some overlap) but now with kids.
 
2012-02-27 04:47:10 PM

shivashakti: WTF? Who doesn't love the smell of freshly roasted coffee?
So few places roast their own these days, why in the name of f*ck would you want to try to stop one of them that does?

I wish I had a place like this near me. I'd go every damned day.


I don't even like coffee and I like to smell it roasting/brewing.
If only it didn't taste so bad
 
2012-02-27 05:01:39 PM

Juc: serial_crusher: I don't really see why they need to blow their horns at any crossings. Trains are loud enough that you can tell they're coming even without the horn. How about just don't be a dumbass and stay off the traintracks?

I used to live about 20 feet from a railway crossing where they had to tootle their horns.
On occasion the engineer wouldn't blow the horn, but they were supposed to.

The biggest problem living that close to the tracks isn't the noise ... honestly you get used to it after a couple weeks ... the biggest problem is how those giant engines vibrate everything.

What I'm trying to say is, don't bake soufflés if you can feel the rumble of a train approaching.


I grew up a couple hundred feet from Amtrak tracks, every time one of those things went flying by, all the handles on my bedroom furniture would rattle. I can only imagine how bad it would at 20 feet.
 
2012-02-27 05:20:05 PM

R.A.Danny: I mean, can't I get this spiffy outfit at J-Crew?


Thanks a bunch asshat. My dorkmeter just overloaded and caught fire. I gotta open the windows to get the smoke out and it's chilly today.
 
2012-02-27 05:28:39 PM
This was my old neighborhood back in NY. I'm pretty sure that 3/4 of Carroll Gardens and Cobble Hill are mafia fronts. If I were the person who complained, I'd move the fark out PDQ.

On the flip side, safest farking neighborhood in NYC.
 
2012-02-27 05:46:51 PM
Oddly enough, according to their website, they proudly serve fair trade coffees. (new window)
 
2012-02-27 06:00:29 PM

mjones73: Juc: serial_crusher: I don't really see why they need to blow their horns at any crossings. Trains are loud enough that you can tell they're coming even without the horn. How about just don't be a dumbass and stay off the traintracks?

I used to live about 20 feet from a railway crossing where they had to tootle their horns.
On occasion the engineer wouldn't blow the horn, but they were supposed to.

The biggest problem living that close to the tracks isn't the noise ... honestly you get used to it after a couple weeks ... the biggest problem is how those giant engines vibrate everything.

What I'm trying to say is, don't bake soufflés if you can feel the rumble of a train approaching.

I grew up a couple hundred feet from Amtrak tracks, every time one of those things went flying by, all the handles on my bedroom furniture would rattle. I can only imagine how bad it would at 20 feet.


I grew up in a *REALLY* small town in Wisconsin, in a house that was 20ft away from some BN tracks. I got quite used to sleeping thru a 100-car freight train going by at 2 AM on a weekend. train horn blowing and all (and it explains how I can sleep thru some asshat pumping GerericRap thru their 18" subs in the trunk of their Cutlass at 2 AM).
 
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