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2012-02-26 06:35:43 PM  

intelligent comment below: Not voting for a Democrat means the 1% and their candidate always wins.


That's a pretty dumb thing to say.
 
2012-02-26 06:36:03 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Weaver95: you seem delusional, that's all i'm saying. And you have done nothing to disabuse me of that notion.

That's great, sweetie. Could you do me a big ol' favor and stare in mock disbelief a little more quietly, though?

Thanks.


actually, I just kind of quietly snickered and then moved on with life. then queued up a slew of Bach on the music player while waiting for Japan to get online and bugger up my SAP systems for the back end of my shift.
 
2012-02-26 06:36:04 PM  

intelligent comment below: Conservatives have always been the party of big business and religious fanatics. They've completely taken over the Republican party and threaten to make Democrats powerless.


You've fallen for Good Cop / Bad Cop hook-line-and-sinker, haven't you? Ever wonder why the Democrats are powerless no matter how much power they have, and the Republicans are powerful no matter how little power they have? Why Dems fall for the same tricks over, and over, and over again?

Big business owns both parties. One plays the part of the unstoppable evil, while the other plays the part of the ineffectual opposition. The country is one giant episode of Hannity and Colmes and big business writes the script.
 
2012-02-26 06:37:14 PM  

Tor_Eckman: snuffy: Tor_Eckman: snuffy: DrD'isInfotainment: snuffy: been there done that, youngin.

Citation please, or GTFO

i am not going to post my dd214 or my college credentials or my tax returns for the last 46 years of adult life to satisfy you.

oh by the way farkoff noob

Interesting. I've never seen you in the pol tab before, yet your screen name is ten years old.

Since you seem to like calling names, do you know what we call your type around here?

that is because i usually don't play with children, i made an exception today.

i could not care less about what you want to label people.

WRONG!

The correct answer is: Alt Troll. Alt Troll.

Just plain Alt would also have been accepted.

Now get your tired ass back to reddit with the rest of the naive paultards where you belong.


How dare you talk to one of your elders like that!

/Yeah, I believe this alt troll asshole is over 60. Sure.
 
2012-02-26 06:38:08 PM  

Weaver95: actually, I just kind of quietly snickered and then moved on with life.


Great. Enjoy all that. Have a great time. G'bye.

/yeesh
 
2012-02-26 06:38:52 PM  

intelligent comment below: GoldSpider: Please explain.

Not voting for a Democrat means the 1% and their candidate always wins.



the democrats are also the party of the 1% you gibbering fool.
 
2012-02-26 06:39:22 PM  

o5iiawah: His most recent budget proposal was a deficit of $1.3Tn. Assuming that stays constant over the next 10 years that will be $13Tn. Cutting that to $10Tn isn't exactly solving any problem.

it is the whole "cutting via reducing growth" line which people buy hook line and sinker


I never said his plan is a miracle from Allah, but it is saving 3 trillion over 10 years. It also is spending more now because the economy needs a lot of help. No, not the rich and corporations, but average Americans are struggling. Cutting government jobs and services is just stupid beyond comprehension in an economic downturn. Ask England how they're starting to deal with the cuts. Their economy is in negative growth and no high taxes on corporations and the rich mean even less revenue.

Then once the economy is back on its feet and people have money to spend, you have higher taxes which allow for growth of all classes, more middle income people mean more taxes, and cutting spending in areas that need reduction like the military, social security, medicare, etc.

Easiest way to fix medicare is single payer.

Easiest way to fix ss is raising the ceiling limit on taxable income (95k or something currently, could be more), and make it like real insurance, if you have X number of dollars of wealth you don't need ss checks every month for decades.

But like I said before, tell that to Republicans and their voters and all you hear in return is CLASS WARFARE! POOR DON'T PAY TAXES! CUT NPR AND PLANNED PARENTHOOD! and other useless nonsense that gets the country nowhere.
 
2012-02-26 06:41:14 PM  

GoldSpider: That's a pretty dumb thing to say.


Not at all. Democrats used to be the party of the people. Then through various tricks and backlashes like Democrats supporting Civil Rights, the majority of white America votes Republican or Independent. Allowing corporations to take over the Republican party, hide their tactics in divisive rhetoric and religious extremism, and force Democrats to either vote for what they want or face living on the streets.
 
2012-02-26 06:41:15 PM  

o5iiawah: If gold is no big deal, then why did FDR try to outlaw private ownership?


Did I say gold wasn't a big deal? No, I said there's no need for it as the basis for a currency. Roosevelt was preventing people from taking their money out of the bank and putting it in gold, which would have collapsed banks further and reduced the world supply of gold, causing gold inflation, followed by massive deflation when that bubble burst. Sounds like Ron Paul had followers in the 1930's too. Just because the idiot masses thinks gold might be valuable doesn't mean their stupidity won't affect the market. Finance is complex. Individuals need to play nice with banks, corporations and governments.
 
2012-02-26 06:43:02 PM  

Ned Stark: the democrats are also the party of the 1% you gibbering fool.


No. The Democrats have to play their games because they never have enough votes or fundraising to counter. That's a huge difference. One party is absolutely corrupt and runs the show, the other has to play politics and give them some things they want to get some things they want. Corporations completely took over the Republican part when Reagan was elected.
 
2012-02-26 06:44:43 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: You've fallen for Good Cop / Bad Cop hook-line-and-sinker, haven't you? Ever wonder why the Democrats are powerless no matter how much power they have, and the Republicans are powerful no matter how little power they have? Why Dems fall for the same tricks over, and over, and over again?

Big business owns both parties. One plays the part of the unstoppable evil, while the other plays the part of the ineffectual opposition. The country is one giant episode of Hannity and Colmes and big business writes the script.


I haven't fallen for anything. I've been around politics all my life and seen both parties change.

Democrats are certainly in the laps of big business because they need the money to get elected. But Republicans are wholly corrupt and owned by big business. Democrats need to play the game when they don't have the political power to change anything. Obama gets elected with a slim majority, not enough to ram through everything he wants, and he has to play ball with the ruling class.
 
2012-02-26 06:47:58 PM  
Michigan's primary is Tuesday, and frankly, I think Ron Paul stands a really good chance of stealing the state. Michigan is a must-win for Romney, and he just doesn't have the support here to pull it off. Ultimately, he is not seen as being at all in touch with the reality of what people here have had to deal with for the last 10+ years. He simply doesn't get it. Santorum is simply too far right even for Michigan, and Gingrich couldn't get the time of day in Michigan, let alone a job. Even if he doesn't win, I think Ron Paul is going to do a lot better than expected here. A lot better. As in "can not be ignored anymore" better.

And honestly, I think if you look at it impartially you have to see that he is the only one of the GOP candidates who could actually provide legitimate competition for Obama. If there is one thing that the GOP primary has shown this cycle it is that Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich can't even hold their own against members of their own party. How do they expect to do against Obama if they can't even handle sparring with "friendlies"?

Tuesday is going to be very interesting.
 
2012-02-26 06:49:10 PM  

intelligent comment below: Democrats are certainly in the laps of big business because they need the money to get elected. But Republicans are wholly corrupt and owned by big business. Democrats need to play the game when they don't have the political power to change anything. Obama gets elected with a slim majority, not enough to ram through everything he wants, and he has to play ball with the ruling class.


The thing to remember about Good Cop / Bad Cop is that while one of the cops is mean and he screams at you and throws a coffee mug across the room and threatens violence, while the other speaks calmly and says he wants to help you but if you don't confess he's going to have to let Bad Cop back in and would you maybe like a coffee or something, at the end of the day both cops answer to the same boss and they are after the same thing.

I know that under the lights and the gestapo atmosphere, that Good Cop really looks like he's your friend and he wants to help you through this. But he's not. The reason cops use this routine is because it works so well.
 
2012-02-26 06:50:37 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: You've fallen for Good Cop / Bad Cop hook-line-and-sinker, haven't you? Ever wonder why the Democrats are powerless no matter how much power they have, and the Republicans are powerful no matter how little power they have? Why Dems fall for the same tricks over, and over, and over again?


Because somehow the Republicans keep winning elections?

Nah, let's just hold our noses up in the air and keep saying both sides are bad. Sure it hasn't worked at all over the last forty years, but maybe if we try it for another forty the Dems will finally come around!
 
2012-02-26 06:51:38 PM  

Balchinian: Michigan's primary is Tuesday, and frankly, I think Ron Paul stands a really good chance of stealing the state.


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2012-02-26 06:51:51 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Weaver95: actually, I just kind of quietly snickered and then moved on with life.

Great. Enjoy all that. Have a great time. G'bye.

/yeesh


interesting.
 
2012-02-26 06:52:56 PM  

intelligent comment below: Not at all. Democrats used to be the party of the people. Then through various tricks and backlashes like Democrats supporting Civil Rights, the majority of white America votes Republican or Independent. Allowing corporations to take over the Republican party, hide their tactics in divisive rhetoric and religious extremism, and force Democrats to either vote for what they want or face living on the streets.


And here I thought all the True Believers had finally come to their senses.

You still haven't explained how abstaining from voting is the same thing as voting for a republican.
 
2012-02-26 06:53:12 PM  
Like I said, they only answer to the same boss because you never give them enough power to go on their own.

There's a reason Democrats held onto the house for over a hundred years. They were the representatives of the people. Then money came into politics, a lot of whites were turned off by Civil Rights in the South, and corporations started controlling everything.

Clinton tried in his first 2 years to push through agendas the people wanted, his party was quickly voted out in 94 just like Obama's in 2010, and they had to start legislating from the center and listening to the ruling class. But the ruling class didn't want Clinton pushing health care originally, and Obama might have pushed hard for a single payer system if he had the votes.

So my point is it isn't good cop bad cop, one's a corrupt dirty cop and the other desperately wants to turn him into internal affairs but can't do it on his own.
 
2012-02-26 06:54:07 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Nah, let's just hold our noses up in the air and keep saying both sides are bad. Sure it hasn't worked at all over the last forty years, but maybe if we try it for another forty the Dems will finally come around!


Both sides don't have to be bad. Respect is earned. If you want the Dems to push back, you have to give them a reason to push back.

A system where they are bought and paid for by the same handful of companies as the republicans doesn't cut it. I don't have the magic bullet for this scenario, but as you said, doing what we've been doing for forty years isn't helping.

/I want to vote for Dems
//give me a reason
 
2012-02-26 06:54:47 PM  

intelligent comment below: Democrats are certainly in the laps of big business because they need the money to get elected. But Republicans are wholly corrupt and owned by big business. Democrats need to play the game when they don't have the political power to change anything. Obama gets elected with a slim majority, not enough to ram through everything he wants, and he has to play ball with the ruling class.


"More Better Democrats"
 
2012-02-26 06:54:48 PM  

Balchinian: Michigan's primary is Tuesday, and frankly, I think Ron Paul stands a really good chance of stealing the state.


You might want to look at current polls. Paul is at least 20% behind both Romney and Santorum.
 
2012-02-26 06:55:31 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Both sides don't have to be bad. Respect is earned. If you want the Dems to push back, you have to give them a reason to push back.


Only one way to earn respect in Washington. Win elections.
 
2012-02-26 06:55:36 PM  

GoldSpider: And here I thought all the True Believers had finally come to their senses.

You still haven't explained how abstaining from voting is the same thing as voting for a republican.


What true believers? I told everyone who asked that Obama would quickly disappoint them because the Dems never had a full 60 votes.

If you don't give Democrats enough votes to push through their agenda then you let corporations control the dialog.
 
2012-02-26 06:55:42 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: intelligent comment below: Democrats are certainly in the laps of big business because they need the money to get elected. But Republicans are wholly corrupt and owned by big business. Democrats need to play the game when they don't have the political power to change anything. Obama gets elected with a slim majority, not enough to ram through everything he wants, and he has to play ball with the ruling class.

The thing to remember about Good Cop / Bad Cop is that while one of the cops is mean and he screams at you and throws a coffee mug across the room and threatens violence, while the other speaks calmly and says he wants to help you but if you don't confess he's going to have to let Bad Cop back in and would you maybe like a coffee or something, at the end of the day both cops answer to the same boss and they are after the same thing.

I know that under the lights and the gestapo atmosphere, that Good Cop really looks like he's your friend and he wants to help you through this. But he's not. The reason cops use this routine is because it works so well.


I'll take good cop/bad cop over Sledge Hammer. Or Frank Drebin.
 
2012-02-26 06:56:10 PM  

intelligent comment below: Like I said, they only answer to the same boss because you never give them enough power to go on their own.

There's a reason Democrats held onto the house for over a hundred years. They were the representatives of the people. Then money came into politics, a lot of whites were turned off by Civil Rights in the South, and corporations started controlling everything.

Clinton tried in his first 2 years to push through agendas the people wanted, his party was quickly voted out in 94 just like Obama's in 2010, and they had to start legislating from the center and listening to the ruling class. But the ruling class didn't want Clinton pushing health care originally, and Obama might have pushed hard for a single payer system if he had the votes.

So my point is it isn't good cop bad cop, one's a corrupt dirty cop and the other desperately wants to turn him into internal affairs but can't do it on his own.


Which one is played by Harvey Keitel?
 
2012-02-26 06:56:17 PM  

heinekenftw: I was on annual tour in Germany and went to Paris on a day off with a Lieutenant Colonel and a few other seargents and he was telling me (unofficially) that I should listen to Ron Paul. Now, he was out of uniform and was merely expressing an opinion but I just quietly agreed with him and decided to not get into a political argument with a superior officer.

He's a pretty cool guy, smart too, I was just surprised by his support of Ron Paul.


He's probably just sick of watching the nations' baby boys (and increasingly its' girls) shipped off to be harmed or killed for war profiteers. I've never been in the military, but I imagine it would get harder and harder for officers as their troops, seemed, to get younger and younger.
 
2012-02-26 06:56:33 PM  

Balchinian: Michigan's primary is Tuesday, and frankly, I think Ron Paul stands a really good chance of stealing the state.


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2012-02-26 06:57:17 PM  

intelligent comment below: So my point is it isn't good cop bad cop, one's a corrupt dirty cop and the other desperately wants to turn him into internal affairs but can't do it on his own.


Oh I know. Good Cop really wants to help, but he just can't. Unless maybe you sign the confession, and he gets in good with the captain who's a really good guy and Bad Cop won't be able to interfere. But you just have to sign, okay? We'll find a way to get through this. We're both victims, here.
 
2012-02-26 06:58:10 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: If you want the Dems to push back, you have to give them a reason to push back.


No, you need to give them enough votes to pass legislation. Not cower to a powerful military industrial complex, financial sector, and huge vocal religious minority that Bush put in all places of government after spending the country into historically high debt.

Democrats can stand by an Occupy protestor or Planned Parenthood exec all they want, but nothing will change legislatively unless they have votes. And votes come from people like you who keep saying "both sides are bad" so they either vote for a Republican in a local race or abstain altogether.
 
2012-02-26 06:58:37 PM  

rebelyell2006: Marysue: So, we're saying a pretty large portion of our military is comprised of retards?

Doesn't surprise me. The ASVAB as an examination is painfully easy, and yet people have to get coaching beforehand and still they worry about passing.


And I'm sure your brother-in-law is willing to step away from that job with benefits at Lockheed Martin. Both of you most likely have a relative/s who benefit from the military-industrial complex, but by all means, denigrate those who have the most to lose.

jackasses.
 
2012-02-26 06:59:04 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Only one way to earn respect in Washington. Win elections.


I mean respect from voters. You get respect in washington for tasering kittens as long as there's a corporate payday at the end of it.
 
2012-02-26 06:59:55 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Oh I know. Good Cop really wants to help, but he just can't. Unless maybe you sign the confession, and he gets in good with the captain who's a really good guy and Bad Cop won't be able to interfere. But you just have to sign, okay? We'll find a way to get through this. We're both victims, here.


Good cop was Jimmy Carter, Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Barry Obama. Look at how the corrupt cop either forced them to do what they wanted or suffer the wrath.

You can pretend both sides are equally bad but that's disingenuous. The good cop does want to help, but the fringes keep taking away their political power to actually do anything they believe in.
 
2012-02-26 07:00:51 PM  

you are a puppet: Deftoons: PC LOAD LETTER: snuffy: PC LOAD LETTER: snuffy: vygramul: Right. Because being in debt at about your GDP is bankrupt the same way a guy who makes $300,000 and has a $300,000 mortgage is bankrupt.

if you believe your example, then it is obvious that your took the blue pill.

you deserve the future you will get.

No, this is the part where you post some videos of some guy talking about Ron Paul and the global economy who makes sense to you but the rest of us laugh at and point out all his sophistry, missing facts and poor logic.

you deserve the leadership you advocate.

You deserve the ridicule you bring upon yourself. Ron Paul: States Rights Southern Christian Conservative Republican. About 40% of what he says is great. The rest either is stupid, dangerous, or if you dig just a little, shows himself to be a States Rights Southern Christian Conservative Republican. You think you are getting a home-made pizza, but it's DiGiorno's.

LOL. Please.

Ron Paul's platform is still a thousand times better than our President, who truly seems to come from the same Cheney-esque class of "Deficits don't matter."

Yes, Ron Paul has flaws, and I'm very on the fence regarding things like the We the People Act, and I'm vehemently against his stance on birthright citizenship. But his flaws do not come close to outweighing the benefits of what he wants to do as President - like, you know, ending wars, paving for an era of peace, ending the Patriot Act, the TSA, the Department of Homeland Security, ending the bailouts and ending government guarantees/loan underwriting for big banks. Stuff our current President has done jack and shiat about (he extended the Patriot Act provisions, for one, and has done little to put big banks into any type of accountability for their actions).

Sorry liberals. Voting for Obama shows just how much you sell out your principles out of fear of "the other guy" winning. I'll vote for Ron Paul (or Gary Johnson) with a clean conscience.

Well, s ...


That's one of many great reasons to vote for Obama, but I do wish he would steal Ron Pauls' non-intervention policy.
 
2012-02-26 07:01:07 PM  

Lunaville:
He's probably just sick of watching the nations' baby boys (and increasingly its' girls) shipped off to be harmed or killed for war profiteers. I've never been in the military, but I imagine it would get harder and harder for officers as their troops, seemed, to get younger and younger.


So vote Republican, because it's always the Democrats that march you off to useless war!
 
2012-02-26 07:01:35 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I know that under the lights and the gestapo atmosphere, that Good Cop really looks like he's your friend and he wants to help you through this. But he's not. The reason cops use this routine is because it works so well.


You know cops only do that in TV shows, right?
 
2012-02-26 07:02:18 PM  

intelligent comment below: So my point is it isn't good cop bad cop, one's a corrupt dirty cop and the other desperately wants to turn him into internal affairs but can't do it on his own.


You really do believe that Democrats represent all that is good in politics and government, and Republicans everything bad.

There are some excellent terms that describe such non-thinking.
 
2012-02-26 07:03:10 PM  

intelligent comment below: LouDobbsAwaaaay: If you want the Dems to push back, you have to give them a reason to push back.

No, you need to give them enough votes to pass legislation.


They don't fight. They do the math, they decide they are beaten, and they refuse to even put up a fight. They have all three branches and they still don't fight. Meanwhile, the republicans seem to win every battle uncontested no matter the circumstances.

I've seen democrats fight, even when they can't win. They've done it in my state. And now there's a historic recall election to remove the republican government - because there's a reason to fight. Because we know we have a party that cares enough to fight even if they might lose. Give me more of those dems, and you'll get my votes. Give me dems who can only invent new reasons for their failure, and you'll have to be content scratching your head wondering why the turnout was so low.
 
2012-02-26 07:03:26 PM  
LouDobbsAwaaaay:

Why do I get the feeling we are being trolled by a pro?
 
2012-02-26 07:03:41 PM  

snuffy: Forgot_my_password_again: the military is the most socialized institution in america. free food, free housing, free healthcare, government subsidized loans for housing and free money for education, government retirement plan after 30 years of service...

Its Ron Pauls dream society.

actually you get all that in only 20 years and you forgot the part about soldiers coming home without all of their body parts in your rant.


Yes, and those things aren't free; they're part of the pay package. Considering the risk incurred, I hardly think we need to start deducting food costs from the average enlisted persons' pay.
 
2012-02-26 07:04:55 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I mean respect from voters.


Win elections.
 
2012-02-26 07:05:14 PM  
Not a surprise to me that so many active military support Ron Paul. He's the only Republican who's telling them what they want to hear, which is, "I'll bring you home."

A twenty year old kid now serving in Afghanistan was nine when New York and Washington were attacked in September 2001. It's easy for me to imagine that that kid may have a fairly hazy idea of what it is we are fighting for there now.

I am *not* a supporter of Ron Paul's; in fact, I think the man is a threat to the Constitution and particularly to the 14th Amendment. But I sense what is going on here is that at least some of the military is growing tired of dodging IEDs in a faraway country (we are getting in the neighborhood of 30 of our troops killed in Afghanistan per month now, as we have been for the last three years) and having only a rudimentary idea of why it is being asked to do so.
 
2012-02-26 07:05:42 PM  

vygramul: You know cops only do that in TV shows, right?


It's corny, but it's done in every precinct in America. The chair-throws and the screaming etc. are borrowed from TV, yeah, but the practice is a tried-and-true psychological technique that's used all the time. Same as the prisoner's dilemma.

You don't mess with a technique that works.
 
2012-02-26 07:06:30 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: LouDobbsAwaaaay: I mean respect from voters.

Win elections.


Get respect from voters.

/your turn
 
2012-02-26 07:11:58 PM  

Weaver95: snuffy: all i want to see happen is for our country to survive without us continuing to give up the rights and freedoms that we once were privileged to experience

too late for that. somewhere between the war on drugs and the war on terror we lost the 4th and 5th amendments. the 1st amendment is under serious attack and even the 2nd amendment might be gone soon.

mostly tho, we've lost the 4th and 5th amendments and their protections forever. they're never coming back.


Well, here's a depressing and possibly self-defeating attitude. It sounds familiar also. I grew up with "The more things change the more they stay the same. It's always two steps forward and one step backwards. A body can't (pronounced cain't) win for losing. There ain't no use in trying."

Yeah, that's uplifting.
 
2012-02-26 07:14:56 PM  

GoldSpider: You really do believe that Democrats represent all that is good in politics and government, and Republicans everything bad.

There are some excellent terms that describe such non-thinking.


Not at all. Democrats are your only hope though, unless you convince everyone to change the winner take all election system to allow more parties, like Canada, Australia, Germany, England, or any other advanced nation. Then again most Murcans still love their backwards most expensive health care so is there any saving sanity?
 
2012-02-26 07:16:15 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: They have all three branches and they still don't fight.


Never enough votes to sign bills into law, unfortunately.

Not 60 Democratic votes in the Senate, don't have the Supreme Court.

They only have the Presidency.
 
2012-02-26 07:16:47 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: vygramul: You know cops only do that in TV shows, right?

It's corny, but it's done in every precinct in America. The chair-throws and the screaming etc. are borrowed from TV, yeah, but the practice is a tried-and-true psychological technique that's used all the time. Same as the prisoner's dilemma.

You don't mess with a technique that works.


Except it doesn't. Or, rather, it works about as well as torture.

Well, I'm not expert, but the NCIS agent with whom I worked on anti-terrorism exercises was pretty adamant. (He was also offended by torture, which he said also doesn't work.)
 
2012-02-26 07:17:31 PM  

Balchinian: Michigan's primary is Tuesday, and frankly, I think Ron Paul stands a really good chance of stealing the state. Michigan is a must-win for Romney, and he just doesn't have the support here to pull it off. Ultimately, he is not seen as being at all in touch with the reality of what people here have had to deal with for the last 10+ years. He simply doesn't get it. Santorum is simply too far right even for Michigan, and Gingrich couldn't get the time of day in Michigan, let alone a job. Even if he doesn't win, I think Ron Paul is going to do a lot better than expected here. A lot better. As in "can not be ignored anymore" better.

And honestly, I think if you look at it impartially you have to see that he is the only one of the GOP candidates who could actually provide legitimate competition for Obama. If there is one thing that the GOP primary has shown this cycle it is that Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich can't even hold their own against members of their own party. How do they expect to do against Obama if they can't even handle sparring with "friendlies"?

Tuesday is going to be very interesting.


I also heard that we're in for 30 years of darkness, rivers and seas boiling, dogs and cats, living together, mass hysteria.

RON PAUL is not going to steal shiat. It's either Frothy or Mittens.

RON PAUL has no chance in hell of stealing anything. If he's so damn special, how come he's still a Republican? Even moreso, how come everybody that seems to like him come off as mentally unhinged? RON PAUL is what happens when conspiracy theories become personified.
 
2012-02-26 07:17:55 PM  
sorry guys i'm a little late here. did Ron Paul win anything?
 
2012-02-26 07:18:07 PM  

snuffy: since no one wants to recognize that ron paul is the only candidate with military experience, when he says we need to bring the troops home and defend our country, why do others find something wrong with that?


Just out of curiosity, did Ron Paul ever serve overseas?
 
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