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2012-02-26 09:15:23 AM  
since no one wants to recognize that ron paul is the only candidate with military experience, when he says we need to bring the troops home and defend our country, why do others find something wrong with that?
 
2012-02-26 09:17:35 AM  
well, i'd love a guy who doesn't want to send me to get my ass shot off for some bullshiat reason. who wouldn't?
 
2012-02-26 09:21:40 AM  

snuffy: since no one wants to recognize that ron paul is the only candidate with military experience, when he says we need to bring the troops home and defend our country, why do others find something wrong with that?


They can't, and that's what pisses them off so much.

Most of them act like Paul is invisible.
 
2012-02-26 09:26:40 AM  
You mean the guy who wants to eliminate the standing army because it's not in the constitution?
 
2012-02-26 09:42:28 AM  

NewportBarGuy: You mean the guy who wants to eliminate the standing army because it's not in the constitution?


when did he say that?
 
2012-02-26 09:52:25 AM  
I could swear that Fox told me if DADT went away the military rank and file would suddenly love RuPaul. Guess I misunderstood.
 
2012-02-26 09:53:23 AM  

snuffy: NewportBarGuy: You mean the guy who wants to eliminate the standing army because it's not in the constitution?

when did he say that?


Oh, so you're saying he's not a strict constitutionalist after all?
 
2012-02-26 09:54:16 AM  

snuffy: NewportBarGuy: You mean the guy who wants to eliminate the standing army because it's not in the constitution?

when did he say that?


Here (new window)
 
2012-02-26 09:59:20 AM  

NewportBarGuy: snuffy: NewportBarGuy: You mean the guy who wants to eliminate the standing army because it's not in the constitution?

when did he say that?

Here (new window)


Never mind. That's just his stupid supporters.

Here are his actual words: It's interesting to note that our Founders warned against maintaining standing armies at all, both because of the taxes required to do so and the threats to liberty posed by a permanent military. (new window)
 
2012-02-26 10:06:01 AM  

NewportBarGuy: You mean the guy who wants to eliminate the standing army because it's not in the constitution?


just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?
 
2012-02-26 10:10:27 AM  

snuffy: just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?


I'm sorry, was the DIRECT QUOTE not sufficient for you?
 
2012-02-26 10:17:03 AM  

NewportBarGuy: snuffy: just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?

I'm sorry, was the DIRECT QUOTE not sufficient for you?


Lol. Seriously - you're asking a Ron Paul supporter that?
 
2012-02-26 10:18:53 AM  
you seem to discount that this country is BROKE, BANKRUPT, and PINING FOR THE FJORDS.
 
2012-02-26 10:19:55 AM  

NewportBarGuy: snuffy: just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?

I'm sorry, was the DIRECT QUOTE not sufficient for you?


oh-snap!.jpg
 
2012-02-26 10:21:10 AM  
Right. Because being in debt at about your GDP is bankrupt the same way a guy who makes $300,000 and has a $300,000 mortgage is bankrupt.
 
2012-02-26 10:27:00 AM  

vygramul: Right. Because being in debt at about your GDP is bankrupt the same way a guy who makes $300,000 and has a $300,000 mortgage is bankrupt.


if you believe your example, then it is obvious that your took the blue pill.

you deserve the future you will get.
 
2012-02-26 10:31:38 AM  

snuffy: vygramul: Right. Because being in debt at about your GDP is bankrupt the same way a guy who makes $300,000 and has a $300,000 mortgage is bankrupt.

if you believe your example, then it is obvious that your took the blue pill.

you deserve the future you will get.


Awww... you never took a macro econ class, amirite? I mean, other than the OBGYN crash-course on everything you need to know about finance.
 
2012-02-26 10:33:40 AM  
wrong

bba accounting
 
2012-02-26 10:41:02 AM  

snuffy: just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?


vygramul: Lol. Seriously - you're asking a Ron Paul supporter that?


I'd white knight the shiat out of Newport Bar Guy here, but he's a farking Cavalry Scout, so he doesn't need it. Not about his military record though, I'm quite certain he doesn't give a fark about what you people think w/r/t to his service.

More so, the horrid slander that he is a Ron Paul supporter.
 
2012-02-26 10:41:54 AM  
So you took macro? Because not all bba accounting degrees require it.

'Cause if you took macro, and still choose to believe Ron Paul, then I gotta ask you how you received your head wound, and thank you for your service.
 
2012-02-26 10:43:05 AM  

what_now: snuffy: just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?

vygramul: Lol. Seriously - you're asking a Ron Paul supporter that?

I'd white knight the shiat out of Newport Bar Guy here, but he's a farking Cavalry Scout, so he doesn't need it. Not about his military record though, I'm quite certain he doesn't give a fark about what you people think w/r/t to his service.

More so, the horrid slander that he is a Ron Paul supporter.


I think you need to re-read the thread.
 
2012-02-26 10:43:57 AM  
Ron Paul supporters, LOL!
 
2012-02-26 10:46:05 AM  

vygramul:
I think you need to re-read the thread.


Hrmr...sorry about that.

/moar coffee.
 
2012-02-26 10:46:26 AM  

snuffy: vygramul: Right. Because being in debt at about your GDP is bankrupt the same way a guy who makes $300,000 and has a $300,000 mortgage is bankrupt.

if you believe your example, then it is obvious that your took the blue pill.

you deserve the future you will get.


No, this is the part where you post some videos of some guy talking about Ron Paul and the global economy who makes sense to you but the rest of us laugh at and point out all his sophistry, missing facts and poor logic.
 
2012-02-26 10:48:24 AM  

vygramul: So you took macro? Because not all bba accounting degrees require it.

'Cause if you took macro, and still choose to believe Ron Paul, then I gotta ask you how you received your head wound, and thank you for your service.


my military service and bba surely was achieved before the best part of you ran down your mother's leg.
 
2012-02-26 10:52:23 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: snuffy: vygramul: Right. Because being in debt at about your GDP is bankrupt the same way a guy who makes $300,000 and has a $300,000 mortgage is bankrupt.

if you believe your example, then it is obvious that your took the blue pill.

you deserve the future you will get.

No, this is the part where you post some videos of some guy talking about Ron Paul and the global economy who makes sense to you but the rest of us laugh at and point out all his sophistry, missing facts and poor logic.


you deserve the leadership you advocate.
 
2012-02-26 11:06:18 AM  

snuffy: PC LOAD LETTER: snuffy: vygramul: Right. Because being in debt at about your GDP is bankrupt the same way a guy who makes $300,000 and has a $300,000 mortgage is bankrupt.

if you believe your example, then it is obvious that your took the blue pill.

you deserve the future you will get.

No, this is the part where you post some videos of some guy talking about Ron Paul and the global economy who makes sense to you but the rest of us laugh at and point out all his sophistry, missing facts and poor logic.

you deserve the leadership you advocate.


You deserve the ridicule you bring upon yourself. Ron Paul: States Rights Southern Christian Conservative Republican. About 40% of what he says is great. The rest either is stupid, dangerous, or if you dig just a little, shows himself to be a States Rights Southern Christian Conservative Republican. You think you are getting a home-made pizza, but it's DiGiorno's.
 
2012-02-26 11:09:54 AM  

snuffy: before the best part of you ran down your mother's leg.


I love Full Metal Jacket too! You know, it's based on a real story. See, that was a Democratic clusterf*ck war. Then we had Tricky Dick ramp it up, then we left. Then we were sad and really depressed that we got our asses kicked by a bunch of rice farmers. Then, Grenada came and we all had stiff pricks again. Panama was a real rock & roll show. We kicked the crap outta that rag tag army we helped create. Some super awesome stories about SEALs taking Noreiga's airfields and the Delta hostage rescue. We were awesome again! That's when Delta force movies gave us Chuck Norris as a war hero. Cocaine really helped fuel that whole 15 or so years of insanity.

Then came the crescendo of the Gulf War I (we'd have a sequel later)... Wow, America really knew how bad ass we were. With night vision and long range weapons we could blot out anything on flat terrain. It was like a turkey shoot.

Then, the Cold War ended and we finally had consensus that we could cut the military budget. But, we as a nation got so addicted to these cool toys and things that go boom that it has become hard to cut back on spending. We had Yugoslavia and Kosovo and Somalia and they all sucked. Only one cool move came out of all that and it wasn't Behind Enemy Lines... What a cinematic abortion that was.

What I'm saying is that I agree we need to cut back on military spending by at least 50%. But, the reality is that America loves her guns and tanks and sh*t. We love war movies and feeling like we're tough. Even as a nation where only 1% have ever worn a uniform, they all feel this connection to our kickass military.

Ron Paul would never disband the armed forces, but he's incredibly unrealistic about his views on what we can do with military reduction. It's a drug the American people and defense industry are addicted to. Through movies, spending, jobs, foreign policy... We won't give that up easily. As a country, I mean.

The question "Why are we fighting here???" will be asked by soldiers now and in the future until the day I die.

My word is poontang.
 
2012-02-26 11:34:27 AM  

NewportBarGuy: snuffy: just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?

I'm sorry, was the DIRECT QUOTE not sufficient for you?


You're talking to a guy who has a BBA in accounting, your argument is invalid.
 
2012-02-26 11:39:25 AM  

NewportBarGuy: snuffy: before the best part of you ran down your mother's leg.

I love Full Metal Jacket too! You know, it's based on a real story. See, that was a Democratic clusterf*ck war. Then we had Tricky Dick ramp it up, then we left. Then we were sad and really depressed that we got our asses kicked by a bunch of rice farmers. Then, Grenada came and we all had stiff pricks again. Panama was a real rock & roll show. We kicked the crap outta that rag tag army we helped create. Some super awesome stories about SEALs taking Noreiga's airfields and the Delta hostage rescue. We were awesome again! That's when Delta force movies gave us Chuck Norris as a war hero. Cocaine really helped fuel that whole 15 or so years of insanity.

Then came the crescendo of the Gulf War I (we'd have a sequel later)... Wow, America really knew how bad ass we were. With night vision and long range weapons we could blot out anything on flat terrain. It was like a turkey shoot.

Then, the Cold War ended and we finally had consensus that we could cut the military budget. But, we as a nation got so addicted to these cool toys and things that go boom that it has become hard to cut back on spending. We had Yugoslavia and Kosovo and Somalia and they all sucked. Only one cool move came out of all that and it wasn't Behind Enemy Lines... What a cinematic abortion that was.

What I'm saying is that I agree we need to cut back on military spending by at least 50%. But, the reality is that America loves her guns and tanks and sh*t. We love war movies and feeling like we're tough. Even as a nation where only 1% have ever worn a uniform, they all feel this connection to our kickass military.

Ron Paul would never disband the armed forces, but he's incredibly unrealistic about his views on what we can do with military reduction. It's a drug the American people and defense industry are addicted to. Through movies, spending, jobs, foreign policy... We won't give that up easily. As a country, I mean.

The question "Why are we fighting here???" will be asked by soldiers now and in the future until the day I die.

My word is poontang.

my comment you quoted was intended for vygramul

your other comments were pretty much right on except you seem to think we will be invaded if we don't keep militarily occupying places around the globe.

does that mean that our military has not amassed enough power to keep that from happening?

 
2012-02-26 11:51:30 AM  

sweetmelissa31: NewportBarGuy: snuffy: just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?

I'm sorry, was the DIRECT QUOTE not sufficient for you?

You're talking to a guy who has a BBA in accounting, your argument is invalid.


please don't overlook my 4 years of active military service during wartime before getting the bba as you prattle on.

that phd of yours doesn't make you the know it all you want to be.

your lack of life experience makes your argument is invalid
 
2012-02-26 12:45:59 PM  
just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?

I have done so thrice and think Paul would fark our nation up ... I for one do not wish to live in a company town and receive script for pay
 
2012-02-26 01:21:48 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?

I have done so thrice and think Paul would fark our nation up ... I for one do not wish to live in a company town and receive script for pay


ok, so you like the way things are and want more of these happy times.

then you deserve the leadership what you will end up with.
 
2012-02-26 01:26:05 PM  

snuffy: ok, so you like the way things are and want more of these happy times.

then you deserve the leadership what you will end up with.



So saying I do not like what Paul wants indicates I am thrilled with the current state of things ...... yeah it's true you guys are tards
 
2012-02-26 01:31:26 PM  

snuffy: sweetmelissa31: NewportBarGuy: snuffy: just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?

I'm sorry, was the DIRECT QUOTE not sufficient for you?

You're talking to a guy who has a BBA in accounting, your argument is invalid.

please don't overlook my 4 years of active military service during wartime before getting the bba as you prattle on.

that phd of yours doesn't make you the know it all you want to be.

your lack of life experience makes your argument is invalid


Asimov was right.
 
2012-02-26 01:46:44 PM  
I guess this makes the military self-hating?
 
2012-02-26 01:51:23 PM  

NewportBarGuy: NewportBarGuy: snuffy: NewportBarGuy: You mean the guy who wants to eliminate the standing army because it's not in the constitution?

when did he say that?

Here (new window)

Never mind. That's just his stupid supporters.

Here are his actual words: It's interesting to note that our Founders warned against maintaining standing armies at all, both because of the taxes required to do so and the threats to liberty posed by a permanent military. (new window)


NewportBarGuy: snuffy: NewportBarGuy: You mean the guy who wants to eliminate the standing army because it's not in the constitution?

when did he say that?

Here (new window)


Serious question here:

I read both of the pieces that you posted. The first was NOT written by Ron Paul; it is unfair to generalize that his platform is identical to the feelings of each and every one of his individual supporters. The second, while written by Ron Paul, did not back up your original point. You originally said that Ron Paul wanted to "eliminate the standing army." His article says nothing of the kind. He does say:

"The old model of warfare, based on invading and occupying whole nations, is unsustainable. Both financially and in terms of manpower, American simply cannot afford any more Koreas, Vietnams, or Iraqs. Many people in the Pentagon understand that America's armed forces are not trained in occupation, policing, and nation-building. The best way to support the troops is through a sensible foreign policy that does not place them in harm's way unnecessarily or force them into uncomfortable, dangerous roles as occupiers."

He makes an interesting note that the concept of standing armies was not entirely supported by our Founding Fathers, but at no point does he say that if elected President, he plans to eliminate the standing army.

As a military wife, I do NOT want to support a candidate who is truly "anti-military", but I'm not seeing that by what I've read from RP. Do you have any citations that directly speak to his platform and position on the military? What does he plan to do with the military if he's elected President? Does he actually plan to eliminate the standing army (as you claim) or simply use "sensible foreign policy" to keep more and more of our nation's military members safe (as in the article you cited previously)?
 
2012-02-26 02:00:46 PM  

snuffy: El_Frijole_Blanco: just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?

I have done so thrice and think Paul would fark our nation up ... I for one do not wish to live in a company town and receive script for pay

ok, so you like the way things are and want more of these happy times.

then you deserve the leadership what you will end up with.


So your entire argument is:

Current leadership and way of doing things is bad
RONPAUL will change that
Therefore if you are not for RONPAUL you are for things staying the same

Is that correct? Is that your basis of argument and logical treatise?
 
2012-02-26 02:06:21 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: snuffy: ok, so you like the way things are and want more of these happy times.

then you deserve the leadership what you will end up with.


So saying I do not like what Paul wants indicates I am thrilled with the current state of things ...... yeah it's true you guys are tards


since you think we are all tards, what is your illuminated plan to keep this country from achieving 3rd world status?
 
2012-02-26 02:10:34 PM  

snuffy: El_Frijole_Blanco: snuffy: ok, so you like the way things are and want more of these happy times.

then you deserve the leadership what you will end up with.


So saying I do not like what Paul wants indicates I am thrilled with the current state of things ...... yeah it's true you guys are tards

since you think we are all tards, what is your illuminated plan to keep this country from achieving 3rd world status?


The only 3rd world nation status we will achieve is if Ron Paul becomes president and destroys the world economy via his faith in shiny metals having some sort of intrinsic value.
 
2012-02-26 02:14:01 PM  

morgantx: NewportBarGuy:You mean the guy who wants to eliminate the standing army because it's not in the constitution?

at no point does he say that if elected President, he plans to eliminate the standing army.


QFT
 
2012-02-26 02:16:49 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: snuffy: El_Frijole_Blanco: just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?

I have done so thrice and think Paul would fark our nation up ... I for one do not wish to live in a company town and receive script for pay

ok, so you like the way things are and want more of these happy times.

then you deserve the leadership what you will end up with.

So your entire argument is:

Current leadership and way of doing things is bad
RONPAUL will change that
Therefore if you are not for RONPAUL you are for things staying the same

Is that correct? Is that your basis of argument and logical treatise?


yes, elect any of the other clowns running for president and we will continue hell bent to the toilet.

you must have a better idea, so lets hear it.
 
2012-02-26 02:18:15 PM  

NewportBarGuy: snuffy: just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?

I'm sorry, was the DIRECT QUOTE not sufficient for you?


You're dealing with the "Ron Paul has nothing to do with 'Ron Paul's White Supremacist Gazette'" brand of logic.
 
2012-02-26 02:19:58 PM  
since you think we are all tards, what is your illuminated plan to keep this country from achieving 3rd world status?

Well it certainly is not to implement policies dictating that all workers be treated in a third world fashion
 
2012-02-26 02:23:48 PM  
Why are taxpayers funding these clowns extracting wealth from the under our nation (new window)

for a start no subsidies here and start charging them to extract these minerals and nationalizing would even be a good idea just on a national security standpoint
 
2012-02-26 02:25:54 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: since you think we are all tards, what is your illuminated plan to keep this country from achieving 3rd world status?

Well it certainly is not to implement policies dictating that all workers be treated in a third world fashion


rational folks don't want to hear what it isn't.

tell us who do you think will keep us out of the shiatter?
 
2012-02-26 02:30:53 PM  

snuffy: PC LOAD LETTER: snuffy: El_Frijole_Blanco: just so we know your background, have you ever served in the military during time of conflict outside of this country?

I have done so thrice and think Paul would fark our nation up ... I for one do not wish to live in a company town and receive script for pay

ok, so you like the way things are and want more of these happy times.

then you deserve the leadership what you will end up with.

So your entire argument is:

Current leadership and way of doing things is bad
RONPAUL will change that
Therefore if you are not for RONPAUL you are for things staying the same

Is that correct? Is that your basis of argument and logical treatise?

yes, elect any of the other clowns running for president and we will continue hell bent to the toilet.

you must have a better idea, so lets hear it.


You still haven't demonstrated this fabled apocalypse of yours. Your entire argument assumes that we are on a Highway to Hell, but that's a premise not all agree on. I reject that premise. I also reject that even if the premise were true, that Ron Paul would necessarily be any better than anyone else in solving it. That I can prove: He's running for President, not King. Checks and balances are hard.
 
2012-02-26 02:46:41 PM  

NewportBarGuy: You mean the guy who wants to eliminate the standing army because it's not in the constitution?


Our military is being shrunk as it is. In the past few years they were kicking us out via perform to serve, and now they're not even using a pretext. We're just getting downsized.

http://www2.nbc17.com/news/2012/jan/26/pentagan-outlines-plans-reduce - size-military-ar-1861354/

Think about that for a sec. We're reducing the number of troops we have, reducing their benefits and increasing the fees they pay for health care, but we won't cut the budget in any way that involves actually bringing our people home or not being policeman to the world.

Ron Paul 2012!
 
2012-02-26 03:09:26 PM  
If the military guys like him, that's their business, but I think the answer to far-right ultra-capitalist policies having destroyed the US is not to elect a far-far-right ultra-ultra-capitalist.
 
2012-02-26 03:14:58 PM  

snuffy: since no one wants to recognize that ron paul is the only candidate with military experience, when he says we need to bring the troops home and defend our country, why do others find something wrong with that?


there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, that's fantastic. But when you also run a campaign promise to get rid of things like the EPA you're not going to be taken seriously... and sane people will wonder how the fark you ever got elected in the first place.
 
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