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(Fox News)   The FAA is investigating whether air traffic controllers have been sleeping and texting on the job, if there's a sale at Penney's   (foxnews.com ) divider line
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2012-02-26 09:46:15 AM  
I want an answer to the stopping in a red zone vs a white zone question
 
2012-02-26 10:10:04 AM  
Sniffing glue is still ok though, right?
 
2012-02-26 10:44:06 AM  
Strange, I always thought this was their big problem:

signsofcocaineuse.com
 
2012-02-26 11:02:10 AM  

dopeydwarf: Strange, I always thought this was their big problem:


Of course it is. The FAA will not tolerate controllers snorting coke with some strange foreign money. American currency of GTFO of the tower!
 
2012-02-26 11:03:03 AM  
They're a menace to everything in the air. Yes. Birds, too.
 
2012-02-26 11:48:06 AM  
Keep them at 24,000. No, feet.

How about some coffee, Johnny?
 
2012-02-26 11:48:13 AM  
Is this why Leon's getting larger?
 
2012-02-26 11:50:51 AM  
Lets get some pictures, boys!
 
2012-02-26 11:51:10 AM  
How many times larger and more expensive is the Dept. of Homeland Security than the FAA? 10x? 20x?
 
2012-02-26 11:52:21 AM  

dopeydwarf: Strange, I always thought this was their big problem:

[signsofcocaineuse.com image 500x334]


What, it's wrong for them to be more aware?
 
2012-02-26 11:54:25 AM  
Oh, stewardess? I speak jive.
 
2012-02-26 11:59:14 AM  
Its funny sad scary how if a terrorist were to get past the useless TSA and aboard a plane, the ATC's would be useless to call in fighters to stop/scare the terrorists. Great use of tax dollars.
 
2012-02-26 12:02:59 PM  
When you work people so hard and in swing shifts in such a stressful job with short staffing... people are going to fall asleep. They're not doing it on purpose.
 
2012-02-26 12:11:27 PM  
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2012-02-26 12:16:28 PM  
I'm more concerned about the ones playing Basketball on Atari 2600 or doing their laundry *IN* the console.
 
2012-02-26 12:30:00 PM  
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2012-02-26 12:31:49 PM  
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2012-02-26 12:32:53 PM  

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"I just want to tell you both
'good luck,' we're all counting on you."

 
2012-02-26 12:33:15 PM  
I just want to tell you both good luck, we're all counting on you.
 
2012-02-26 12:34:12 PM  

antron: [img50.imageshack.us image 450x277]


having the text embedded absolutely ruins that pic. Anyone who doesn't know exactly wtf is going on in that scene won't get it anyway.
 
2012-02-26 12:34:35 PM  
First of all, what's the problem with an air traffic controller sending a text? Do texts have some special power to fly through the air and destroy airplanes?

Second:
The report included an FAA statement that because of an elevator breakdown, off-duty controllers are allowed to use part of the tower as a break room.

OK, so is this really all some ploy for Senator Gillibrand to look like she's doing something, and not just strip mining our federal budget for personal gain with the rest of our senators?
 
2012-02-26 12:39:02 PM  

mongbiohazard: First of all, what's the problem with an air traffic controller sending a text? Do texts have some special power to fly through the air and destroy airplanes?

Second:
The report included an FAA statement that because of an elevator breakdown, off-duty controllers are allowed to use part of the tower as a break room.

OK, so is this really all some ploy for Senator Gillibrand to look like she's doing something, and not just strip mining our federal budget for personal gain with the rest of our senators?


So much fail in this post.

ATC's being distracted from their job at hand could end up costing hundreds of lives if a plane were to collide with another.
 
2012-02-26 12:40:58 PM  
Looks like I picked the wrong time to quit smoking.
 
2012-02-26 12:41:48 PM  
Auntie Em! Uncle Henry! Toto! It's a twister! It's a twister!
 
2012-02-26 12:45:43 PM  
wizbangblog.com

Wanted for turning out the lights so he could sleep...
 
2012-02-26 12:45:55 PM  
Didn't JC Penny vow to stop having a constant series of sales.
 
2012-02-26 12:46:48 PM  

mongbiohazard: First of all, what's the problem with an air traffic controller sending a text? Do texts have some special power to fly through the air and destroy airplanes?


Think about the chaos that happens on the roads when some fool is texting while driving, especially when there's lots of road traffic... and then realize that air traffic controllers are (supposed to be) controlling air traffic.
 
2012-02-26 12:47:55 PM  
You know, it is mostly a very boring job with nothing happening. If you don't give people something to do besides required staring at a screen with nothing on it, they are going to fall asleep no matter how hard they try, then they won't be there when you need them. Yeah, you want them to pay attention when they need to, but requiring them to continue to focus that attention level on nothing isn't going to work.
 
2012-02-26 12:49:39 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: How about some coffee, Johnny?


No thanks!
 
2012-02-26 12:51:59 PM  
"Fire them!"

"We'll never be able to replace them."

"What? Why?"

"Ever since that diphiat Reagan broke up the union the hours are long and the pay sucks and the responsibility is crushing. No one with a functioning brain wants to be an air traffic controller. Even if we could find replacements it would cost a fortune to train them."

I think it is hilarious that they have never been able to replace the software that they use. Modern programmers are so inferior to the old school ones that they can't even emulate stuff that's already written on computers thousands of times faster with millions of times more memory.

/I'm a programmer and sadly aware of why that is.
 
2012-02-26 12:54:10 PM  

SithLord: mongbiohazard: First of all, what's the problem with an air traffic controller sending a text? Do texts have some special power to fly through the air and destroy airplanes?

Second:
The report included an FAA statement that because of an elevator breakdown, off-duty controllers are allowed to use part of the tower as a break room.

OK, so is this really all some ploy for Senator Gillibrand to look like she's doing something, and not just strip mining our federal budget for personal gain with the rest of our senators?

So much fail in this post.

ATC's being distracted from their job at hand could end up costing hundreds of lives if a plane were to collide with another.


Aren't you being just a little hyperbolic? Sleeping is a no brainer, sure, but if someone has a few seconds free to text their wife then so farking what?

And did you miss that caveat at the end where they fessed up that not all the controllers they videoed were on duty? Seems likely this is likely to be yet another forced controversy. Reporting on those is so much easier than reporting on the real problems of powerful people asleep at the air traffic control desk of congress. You don't lose your access to a senator by going after some patsy off duty air traffic controllers.
 
2012-02-26 12:56:48 PM  

King Something: mongbiohazard: First of all, what's the problem with an air traffic controller sending a text? Do texts have some special power to fly through the air and destroy airplanes?

Think about the chaos that happens on the roads when some fool is texting while driving, especially when there's lots of road traffic... and then realize that air traffic controllers are (supposed to be) controlling air traffic.


Indeed they are, but so what? You really think they don't have 20 seconds free to send a text at any point during their shift? If that was the case it wouldn't be a job humans could do in the first place.
 
2012-02-26 01:00:20 PM  
Say what you want, but the FAA hires Native Americans rather frequently. I met a nice gentleman named "John Bigtree" while there.
 
2012-02-26 01:15:03 PM  
That doesn't sound like the busiest tower in America.
 
2012-02-26 01:17:34 PM  

mongbiohazard: King Something: mongbiohazard: First of all, what's the problem with an air traffic controller sending a text? Do texts have some special power to fly through the air and destroy airplanes?

Think about the chaos that happens on the roads when some fool is texting while driving, especially when there's lots of road traffic... and then realize that air traffic controllers are (supposed to be) controlling air traffic.

Indeed they are, but so what? You really think they don't have 20 seconds free to send a text at any point during their shift? If that was the case it wouldn't be a job humans could do in the first place.


They can send their texts while on break or on the can, NOT while making sure airplanes don't crash into each other.

Theirs is not the only job which requires 100% attention; most (if not all) such jobs also prohibit texting while working.

/see also videos of bus drivers taking their eyes off the road for like 5 seconds to text while driving and getting into accidents during those 5 seconds
//factor in hundreds of people, many dozens or hundreds of tons of steel and aluminum, thousands of gallons of jet fuel, and gravity, and you should see why ATCs texting while on the clock is generally considered a bad thing
 
2012-02-26 01:18:57 PM  
Heath! Nick! Jarrod! There's a fire in the barn!
 
2012-02-26 01:22:47 PM  
meh. your pilots are sleeping anyways while flying.

/its more atm (management) than atc (control) anyhow
 
2012-02-26 01:28:35 PM  
As an air traffic controller who has both texted and slept while on shift I am getting a kick out of this.
 
2012-02-26 01:30:59 PM  

Outlaw2097: meh. your pilots are sleeping anyways while flying.

/its more atm (management) than atc (control) anyhow


If they're not sleeping, they're drunk.
 
2012-02-26 01:42:14 PM  
Well, at least they're not robbing banks.

Link (polyps)
 
2012-02-26 01:45:17 PM  
Modern programmers have different skills than the old school programmers. The problem is that the computers are a lot more unreliable. You can write the most amazing program, but if you get a BSOD then that was a waste of time. You can use a database, but if it decides that it needs to run a backup or re-index itself then you can be screwed, depending on what you need to do with it and how fast you need it.

Yes, you can do clustering, but that can cause as many problems as it fixes. Plus with the cost of doing it, sometimes that doesn't make the budget.
 
2012-02-26 01:56:48 PM  
A few times an air traffic controller has asked my Dad (who is a pilot) to switch over to a different radio signal and talk to him because it's three in the morning and he's BORED and this is the first flight he's tended to in 2 hours.
 
2012-02-26 02:21:49 PM  
I am an ATC in Indy. When you are on break you are allowed to read a book or a magazine, play a game on your tablet, text, watch TV and even rest your eyes. Power naps are proven to help with the fatigue caused by our rotating schedules. The typical break in a tower is 20 minutes long with one 30 minite meal break during the shift. With their elevator broken if you have to climb 8 stories of stairs each way to the break room there isn't much time left to do much of anything else. If the back of the cab is a temporary break room who the fark cares if they are reading, napping or texting? If they are on operational position doing that then, and only then is there a problem. I suspect this is much ado about nothing.
 
2012-02-26 02:22:04 PM  
As an air traffic controller, I'm really getting a kick zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..
 
2012-02-26 02:24:03 PM  
Remember back in the 80s, when the air traffic controllers were unionized? Remember when they went on strike because of this very issue? The fact that they are being asked to do a job that is super-human. It is against our biological clocks to work the schedules they were, and still are, being forced to work. All they asked for was abreak in the middle of the shift.. Boom, the problem would have been solved, and a few hundred people would still alive. Because if the Air Traffic controllers were well rested and offered a 'lunch break' of sorts, they wouldn't have to fight off sleep while performing their duties.

But you know, at least ole ray-gun stuck it to those liberal union workers, fired each and every one of them, and hired new people who would work for much less money and for even more punishing hours.

Yea...
 
2012-02-26 02:24:17 PM  
Beerlion, don't blow our cover on power naps.. Indy tower or center? I'm at Scranton, PA.
 
2012-02-26 02:26:02 PM  
This reminds me, I saw a garbage man emptying dumpsters into his truck with one hand yesterday. The other hand was on his ear, holding his phone.

Watched him do the whole alley that way.
I thought, 'what the fark is that', but realized it didn't seem to be slowing him down.
 
2012-02-26 02:26:19 PM  
Hasn't it been proven that a few distractions are beneficial to staying on task? But no! ATCs must be unblinking robots, slave to the screen.
 
2012-02-26 02:30:21 PM  
I didn't know Indy and Scranton had controlled fields.

Just kidding guys. How crazy was the Super Bowl beerlion? Do you work with a guy named Teddy? He used to be where I am.
 
2012-02-26 02:37:24 PM  

boobsrgood: How many times larger and more expensive is the Dept. of Homeland Security than the FAA? 10x? 20x?


They're 2 entirely different departments altogether...
 
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