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2012-02-26 12:19:16 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Reminds me of a friend who was asking me if he should buy gold:

F(riend): "Should I buy gold?"
M(e): "Why?"
F: "Well, in case everything collapses."
M: Well, certificates won't do you any good in that case, so you'd need to buy actual gold."
F: "Alright, I could do that."
M: "Do you have any guns?"
F: "No."
M: (Mimicking pointing a gun at him) "Give me your gold."

/CSB
//He didn't buy gold
///Brass and lead, MY survival kit


My question: why do people think gold will be of any use in an apocalypse? It's heavy, you can't eat it, and you can't wear it.
 
2012-02-26 12:20:01 PM
I watched the show this guy was on, Doomsday Preppers, and the one that really stood out were the hippies living up in New Hampshire. They had a great setup. Ability to grow their own food, ample water supply, basic needs all taken care of. What they didn't have was any kind of firearm's or personal defense. When the show asked the question, I'm paraphrasing, "What happens if the senario you are prepping for, total economic collapse, comes to pass and mobs come to your area demanding food?" The lead hipster replied, "We would have a feast and let them join our community and they would see we should work together to rebuild, and if they didn't then we would poison them or something". I'm sure some wackjob with a Glock is going to sit around the table and sing Kumbaya.

Kinda reminds me of this thread.

/Has food storage and basic needs for my family for at least 6 months. For what I don't know, but why not?
//I thought the Fark Progressive Brigade was all about, "Live and Let Live"?
 
2012-02-26 12:21:41 PM

Zizzowop: Between Doomsday Preppers, My Strange Addiction, Hoarders and Extreme Couponing, I have come to the conclusion that there are a lot of bat-crab crazy people in America.


You know, given the population of the US, there's probably at least one or two people out there who could be on all of those shows at once.

/obsessed with doomsday prepping at next to zero cost, Doug has filled his house with so much toothpaste and ketchup that he has to crap in a diaper. Also, he's become addicted to iodine pills.
 
2012-02-26 12:24:30 PM
some good reference books for those interested in such things...
www.lifeviewoutdoors.com
getreadyportland.com
 
2012-02-26 12:26:05 PM

SouthParkCon: I watched the show this guy was on, Doomsday Preppers, and the one that really stood out were the hippies living up in New Hampshire. They had a great setup. Ability to grow their own food, ample water supply, basic needs all taken care of. What they didn't have was any kind of firearm's or personal defense. When the show asked the question, I'm paraphrasing, "What happens if the senario you are prepping for, total economic collapse, comes to pass and mobs come to your area demanding food?" The lead hipster replied, "We would have a feast and let them join our community and they would see we should work together to rebuild, and if they didn't then we would poison them or something". I'm sure some wackjob with a Glock is going to sit around the table and sing Kumbaya.

Kinda reminds me of this thread.

/Has food storage and basic needs for my family for at least 6 months. For what I don't know, but why not?
//I thought the Fark Progressive Brigade was all about, "Live and Let Live"?


Listen, I'm not knocking being prepared to survive, defending your family, property or neighborhood. "Live and let live" is exactly what this is about. Most survivalists do not have this mentality however. Most are more "take and survive."

/don't disagree with you that the hippies are hosed
//don't try and sneak up on my cabin
///i'm not a pacifist.
 
2012-02-26 12:26:13 PM
SouthParkCon:

/Has food storage and basic needs for my family for at least 6 months. For what I don't know, but why not?
//I thought the Fark Progressive Brigade was all about, "Live and Let Live"?


TR was a progressive. Didn't stop him capping some lions or brown skins.
 
2012-02-26 12:26:57 PM

PanicMan: My question: why do people think gold will be of any use in an apocalypse? It's heavy, you can't eat it, and you can't wear it.


LOL...indeed! I used to hang out on a gun forum's survival subforum, and it seemed like every other thread was about somebody picking up yet another ounce of gold with their spare money. I finally gave up on it as a waste of time for learning about how to optimize my own survival plan (a 4-5 week utility outage after the next 'Big One' on the San Andreas fault), but man were they ever fixated on gold.

Why no, I didn't use my Fark handle there. Didn't want to rile up the fundies. You'll find me over there as "Beer-Belly Bob"... ;^)
 
2012-02-26 12:28:25 PM

Triptolemus: LabGrrl: lazymojo: swfan: LabGrrl: In case of apocalypse, raid the houses of the people who brag about their survival supplies.

no, that's my plan. just to buy the guns. let the other guy buy guns AND thousands of dollars worth of supplies... then get unencumbered by goods, get the drop on him and take his stuff.

It's unlikely the type that brag about their supplies are smart enough to handle anyone who is a good shot *and* can hide behind a tree. Seriously.

LabGrrl- I can brag about my supplies all I want- you might know that I have them, but you'll never find them. :)

Along those lines though- there are a whole bunch of caches on a mountain near my place- a bunch of idiots think they're going to ride out the end times with barrel caches hidden on national forest. This summer I'm going to to get me some free tack, ammo and food (it's technically abandoned property). So, all the cache building survivalists are good for something.


Be careful. There are now drug growers in national parks. They don't just abandon their crop.
 
2012-02-26 12:32:07 PM

Valarius: SouthParkCon:

/Has food storage and basic needs for my family for at least 6 months. For what I don't know, but why not?
//I thought the Fark Progressive Brigade was all about, "Live and Let Live"?

TR was a progressive. Didn't stop him capping some lions or brown skins.


What progressive hasn't? Amirite?
 
2012-02-26 12:33:03 PM

StoneColdAtheist: PanicMan: My question: why do people think gold will be of any use in an apocalypse? It's heavy, you can't eat it, and you can't wear it.

LOL...indeed! I used to hang out on a gun forum's survival subforum, and it seemed like every other thread was about somebody picking up yet another ounce of gold with their spare money. I finally gave up on it as a waste of time for learning about how to optimize my own survival plan (a 4-5 week utility outage after the next 'Big One' on the San Andreas fault), but man were they ever fixated on gold.

You're like the guy that goes to AA meetings because he gets some sick pleasure out of other peoples suffering. . . .
Why no, I didn't use my Fark handle there. Didn't want to rile up the fundies. You'll find me over there as "Beer-Belly Bob"... ;^)

 
2012-02-26 12:34:58 PM
hell, most of my house is already set up like this just for hurricane season. we were out of pwr for 14 days after francis, 17 days after jeanne, and an additonal 14 days after wilma. having coffee, a toilet that flushes and cold beer is always nice (and a piece of mind) when no one else has pwr.
 
2012-02-26 12:36:24 PM
"If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you; If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too; . . . If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same . . . Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it."

-- (Joseph) Rudyard Kipling

So he steals a quote and doesn't give credit, nice.
 
2012-02-26 12:37:06 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Sometimes I wonder if we're not being subtly prepared for something.


I don't think we are being subtly prepared for anything. I think we are preparing ourselves. I don't see any need for a top-down motivator or grand conspiracy to push these ideas through the popular culture. To me, it makes more sense that people individually feel a loss of trust in the continuance of things as they have been, of functional government, of functional community, of a healthy economy. This motivates people to seek out stories about what they feel, stories that resonate, and that causes such stories to become successful.

The lack of trust in other people, as formerly known and trusted people choose loyalty to external ideas and ideologies over family and social bonds, may be part of what fuels the interest in zombie stories. The way in which we begin to see others who are different from us as mentally diseased, as "not thinking", as "-bots" or even just seeing them as instances of a group identity and not as individual people, causes the zombie motif to resonate. Zombie-as-disease-victim rather than zombie-as-paranormal-event more accurately describes the way in which ideas which are alien to ourselves appear to spread, turning familiar people into parts of a mass threat, so we have infection as the model for zombies now.

We see roads and bridges broken and not fixed, empty buildings neither sold nor rented, and parts of cities crumbling in on themselves. We fear that such collapse, too, will spread. We see fuel and food prices going up, and fear that they will continue to rise. Whether those images activate ideas of the collapse of the Roman empire, the end of the Soviet Union, the Great Depression and the war that followed, or something else more personal and private, those images themselves cause us to be more interested in how we can survive if we don't have a functional, first-world economy and infrastructure to depend on. Whether it is a fictional, mythical, or historical collapse that we have as a model might shape our preparations, the instinct to put away food and secure shelter and safety against a coming threat is as simple as noticing that the coming winter is going to be a hard one and doing what is necessary to get through it. In such times, we like to listen to stories about other hard times. So when a movie comes out or a show comes on about doom and disaster, we want to see it, and know that we are not alone in our feelings.

We are interested in them because of what we already think and feel. In better times, we wouldn't find them so interesting. The monster stories of the 50s as we were dealing with the new nuclear world and with the space age weren't made in order to help us cope with a new and horrifying way to wage war - they were made because we wanted to see them. Stories of alien invasions weren't made to prepare us for the concept of war with the USSR, and stories of wasted worlds weren't made because we were being prepared for the idea of mutually assured destruction. They were made successful because we were already interested in those ideas. No central planning is required: the demand is driving the supply.
 
2012-02-26 12:37:27 PM
Some people take it to extremes, but living in hurricane areas for years has taught me the necessity of having enough supplies to deal with disasters. Sometimes you need to GTFO and seek shelter until the storm passes. Others, you'll weather in place and maybe have to be without power for a while. Is a year's supplies too much? It is for my needs, but the flip side is, it's a great hedge against unemployment, and in today's economy that's probably the most likely disaster you'll have to deal with.
 
2012-02-26 12:37:53 PM

Valarius:
Be careful. There are now drug growers in national parks. They don't just abandon their crop.


Not around here. Too cold, remote, rugged and miserable. Plus, hippies and city people who try to grow pot in the mountains are idiots- they don't know how to cover their tracks, they're weak and they're completely out of place. I grew up running around the forest naked, killing things with sticks- and not much has changed. I'm not too worried about city boys.
 
2012-02-26 12:41:38 PM

grimnir: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Sometimes I wonder if we're not being subtly prepared for something.

I don't think we are being subtly prepared for anything. I think we are preparing ourselves. I don't see any need for a top-down motivator or grand conspiracy to push these ideas through the popular culture. To me, it makes more sense that people individually feel a loss of trust in the continuance of things as they have been, of functional government, of functional community, of a healthy economy. This motivates people to seek out stories about what they feel, stories that resonate, and that causes such stories to become successful.

The lack of trust in other people, as formerly known and trusted people choose loyalty to external ideas and ideologies over family and social bonds, may be part of what fuels the interest in zombie stories. The way in which we begin to see others who are different from us as mentally diseased, as "not thinking", as "-bots" or even just seeing them as instances of a group identity and not as individual people, causes the zombie motif to resonate. Zombie-as-disease-victim rather than zombie-as-paranormal-event more accurately describes the way in which ideas which are alien to ourselves appear to spread, turning familiar people into parts of a mass threat, so we have infection as the model for zombies now.

We see roads and bridges broken and not fixed, empty buildings neither sold nor rented, and parts of cities crumbling in on themselves. We fear that such collapse, too, will spread. We see fuel and food prices going up, and fear that they will continue to rise. Whether those images activate ideas of the collapse of the Roman empire, the end of the Soviet Union, the Great Depression and the war that followed, or something else more personal and private, those images themselves cause us to be more interested in how we can survive if we don't have a functional, first-world economy and infrastructure to depend on. Whether it is a fictional, mythi ...


Well said Grimnir, nice analysis and explanation.
 
2012-02-26 12:50:33 PM
Ralston said the top three things we would need if a disaster dropped would be water, food and a first aid kit.

So when the city folk that survive show up at my mountain retreat...

Jeremiah : What can I do for you.
City folk: You got a first aid kit?
Jeremiah: Are you injured?
City folk: No, but it's very important.
Jeremiah: Sure you don't want to come out of the driving rain and get warm and dry?
City folk: No...no...I've got to find a first aid kit...
 
2012-02-26 12:50:42 PM

jso2897: If you really care about your survival, see to it that civilization survives - accept that you have a debt to society, and to you fellow men.


This. The best survival plan is to have a good, solid social network of friends and family who can all support each other, in a neighborhood that works as more than just a location where houses stand. People who know how to formulate and execute group plans, resolve disputes peacably, and who can operate under common social rules without the force of violent authority can devote their resources to living and living well. Moreover, such a group of people who can trade rather than steal will have the collective wealth to specialize individually, and achieve a higher standard of living than each individual attempting to replicate all the functions of society on his or her own.
 
2012-02-26 12:54:03 PM
"The one thing I never want to hear from my kids is dad I'm hungry or dad I'm scared," Ralston said.

Funny thing about fear is that it's you learning to avoid danger.

Now that I think about it, when did occasionally feeling hungry become a bad thing? Oh, right, when we all got fat, never mind.
 
2012-02-26 12:56:41 PM
The first rule of survival trailers is to not tell the national media you have one.

Security through obscurity works for an apocalypse, too.
 
2012-02-26 12:56:47 PM
Why is it when people say "I'm just being prepared, preparedness is key, we're preparing for the worst" the true message I sense is "I wish half of humanity were GONE, I have issues with my own species, I long for the cleansing fire to take away all those annoying other people" ?

is it because I work such long hours in the garden?
 
2012-02-26 12:58:02 PM

grimnir: jso2897: If you really care about your survival, see to it that civilization survives - accept that you have a debt to society, and to you fellow men.

This. The best survival plan is to have a good, solid social network of friends and family who can all support each other, in a neighborhood that works as more than just a location where houses stand. People who know how to formulate and execute group plans, resolve disputes peacably, and who can operate under common social rules without the force of violent authority can devote their resources to living and living well. Moreover, such a group of people who can trade rather than steal will have the collective wealth to specialize individually, and achieve a higher standard of living than each individual attempting to replicate all the functions of society on his or her own.


We can tell you haven't read One Second After. ;^)
 
2012-02-26 12:59:43 PM

James F. Campbell: Twilight Zone, "The Shelter" (new window)


New Twilight Zone had an even better one where the survivalist.... had a nuclear containment dome built over him while his family missed him.
 
2012-02-26 01:04:30 PM

Triptolemus: Well said Grimnir, nice analysis and explanation.


Thank you :-) I think about this kind of thing often. Right now, I am trying to figure a way to go back to school for cognitive science. I want to know how ways of thinking spread through populations - not just ideas, but ways of thinking that are typical of disorder such as the atrophy of empathy, loose association of ideas, narcissism, and the like. I want to know how sane people passing ideas around leads to mass insanity, and if there's a difference between someone who has a home-grown bizarre delusion and a person who has adopted a delusion from popular culture. Right now, I suspect that for-profit mass media - films, television, radio, books - all act to amplify what's already out there, like feeding a training set's results back into a neural net.
 
2012-02-26 01:10:02 PM
I don't understand. I thought the 'end of the world' would mean Jesus would be coming back and then its all win-win and you'd probably want to be seen helping others instead of running them over driving your trailer to high-country?

Christians seem to ignore most of the Old Testament because Jesus absolved them from it, and then they ignore New Testament Jesus because he's a libtard who was probably on welfare and smoked marijuana.

Or they have some sort of badass hybrid-Jesus who looks exactly like Ghost Rider but his chains are made of gold that he bought directly from glen beck. Mormons are all about food storage and end-of-days prepping.

Put a black man in the white house and everything goes to hell.
 
2012-02-26 01:10:57 PM
Well let me tell 'ya, I'm a truck driver and I've seen it all, and it's gonna come down just like they're saying on the radio. If you don't believe me just listen to Beck, Levin and Rush.I'll tell you what, I'm hardly spending any money (except for on survivalist stuff) because I want to see whether Owebummer wins the presidential election, which frankly will signal the beginning of the Apocalypse.

My clueless brother doesn't realize that I'm the smart one - he thinks I'm brain washed but what does he know, he only sees me maybe once a year and frankly he doesn't know me extremely well. I'm working too hard (I only take a day or two off a month) to worry about what he's thinking.
 
2012-02-26 01:11:19 PM
fanaticisim of anything is best avoided as a balanced life is more rewarding.

seeing others take something to extremes should not deter one from preparing
for their well being in case of unforeseen catastrophe.

you don't have to go harcore but to ignore that storms take place, electricity
goes out and shiat happens is foolish.

"be prepared" is the BSA motto as they learn to become as self-sufficient as possible. learning how to muck about in the woods, obtain food, water and shelter is time well spent.

so is having emergency preparations on hand for at least three days. talk to people that have been through a nasty storm. most people don't handle having their very soft life interrupted. most of us are very used to instant gratification. so when the shiat hits the fan things go suck really quickly. when it turns to a week without electricity and a portion of your life is turned upside-down you'll
find the basics like lots of batteries and candles make a big difference.

it is not expensive to start small and bring home just a few items every week
to set aside. there are lots of websites devoted to preparation; many are
happy assholes looking to make a buck. there is lots of manuals & info available for free but it won't do you any good on your laptop when the street lights are out.

IMHO KIA and way south have made some really good points in this thread. i hope a few farkers learn something today.
 
2012-02-26 01:13:54 PM

grimnir: Triptolemus: Well said Grimnir, nice analysis and explanation.

Thank you :-) I think about this kind of thing often. Right now, I am trying to figure a way to go back to school for cognitive science. I want to know how ways of thinking spread through populations - not just ideas, but ways of thinking that are typical of disorder such as the atrophy of empathy, loose association of ideas, narcissism, and the like. I want to know how sane people passing ideas around leads to mass insanity, and if there's a difference between someone who has a home-grown bizarre delusion and a person who has adopted a delusion from popular culture. Right now, I suspect that for-profit mass media - films, television, radio, books - all act to amplify what's already out there, like feeding a training set's results back into a neural net.


It's a really interesting thing- and ironically it thrives in suburbia. I think a lot of it has to do with alienation combined with serious narcissism (classic traits of sociopathy). The irony is that it has become so prevalent in suburbia where people are in close proximity but have poor community. In the country, there are few people and during the winters some folks don't see another soul for weeks or months on end. Interestingly, that seems to strengthen people's understanding that while they may be physically self-sufficient, when it hits the fan, they need each other more than ever. It results in stronger community ties and ethics.

As far as school goes, it sounds like you want to study marketing. :)
 
2012-02-26 01:14:47 PM

jso2897: There is nothing wrong with this, in and of itself.
There is, however, a certain mindset that one tends to see among "survivalists" - a dissociation with society, and an indifference to the fortunes of others. The idea that one will survive the collapse of civilization is the ultimate manifestation of "screw you, I've got mine".
It's a fantasy, of course - but it's a toxic fantasy that feeds into the sort of social autism that seems to be so common these days.


That was such a great post I'm just going to repeat it.

Zizzowop: : Between Doomsday Preppers, My Strange Addiction, Hoarders and Extreme Couponing, I have come to the conclusion that there are a lot of bat-crab crazy people in America.

Did you notice that all that stuff has to do with consumer culture? I think our dysfunctional relationship with Stuff is making us crazy. Obsessed with getting it, obsessed with losing it, getting the 'best deal', getting more than our neighbor, always getting the newest and best Stuff.....the culture in this country is turning everybody into wackjobs.
 
2012-02-26 01:16:04 PM
Is this the same guy who was on last night's episode of "Doomsday Preppers?" Because if he is, I detected a huge gaping hole in his survival plan: he and his kids have practiced so that they can drive from their home to their bug-out wilderness cabin in less than 40 minutes (assuming the roads are completely free of traffic in the apocalypse), but -- the guy's specific fear is an EMP frying the nation's electronics. In which case, did this guy stop to consider that unless he's had it specially shielded, his own car will be un-driveable after an EMP?

I'm also thinking that "moving your supply stash from your suburban home to your bug-out wilderness cabin" is the sort of thing you ought to do before the apocalypse strikes.
 
2012-02-26 01:17:38 PM
My Smith and Wesson - that's all I need to survive.
 
2012-02-26 01:22:18 PM

8 inches: My Smith and Wesson - that's all I need to survive.


For me, it's Ruger all the way buddy. Last year I carried my Redhawk every day- it's one of the most durable, dependable, useful guns ever made if you ask me. You can abuse it all day long and it still performs. If you want a ferrari there are lots of great guns out there. If you need a truck that will last 100 years with a lot of abuse, I'll stick with my Redhawk.

/yes, I'm in love with my Redhawk
//which says something because I don't even like handguns
///more of a long-gun guy myself
 
2012-02-26 01:23:37 PM

Goddess of Atheism: In which case, did this guy stop to consider that unless he's had it specially shielded, his own car will be un-driveable after an EMP?


Maybe he has a second car parked in a Faraday cage. You have to admit, that would be pretty ingenious.
 
2012-02-26 01:24:43 PM

Goddess of Atheism: Is this the same guy who was on last night's episode of "Doomsday Preppers?" Because if he is, I detected a huge gaping hole in his survival plan: he and his kids have practiced so that they can drive from their home to their bug-out wilderness cabin in less than 40 minutes (assuming the roads are completely free of traffic in the apocalypse), but -- the guy's specific fear is an EMP frying the nation's electronics. In which case, did this guy stop to consider that unless he's had it specially shielded, his own car will be un-driveable after an EMP?


Ha! My '66 Mustang laughs at your lack of faith... ;)
 
2012-02-26 01:25:51 PM

8 inches: My Smith and Wesson - that's all I need to survive.


Good luck with that. I know how to cast metals and source the materials for the foundry on my property. There's a ball mill in the shop that could be used for grinding/milling propellants. (I built it to clean steel parts). shiat hits the fan and I'm 24 hours away from a 6" cannon.
 
2012-02-26 01:27:09 PM
One one hand, a family emergency plan is a very good thing. On the other hand, survialists are just a touch on the barmy side. There's nothing wrong with having emergency supplies on hand and ready to go but if you're making a fort you need to reevaluate your life.

My most recent Insane Parent story. Yesterday I was bullshiating with a craft guy before the end of work and he goes on to say he has three kids and blah blah blah and I'm like cool, and then he turns into a madman. He got this terrifying expression and said in a voice meant for a supervillain "My children mean the world to me. I will never let anyone harm them."
Then he returned to normal, and blah blah blah, he mentions Boy Scouts, I remark that I quit Girl Scouts due to incredible boredom, and he goes all evil again and says that he doesn't like the Girl Scouts because "They let homosexuals be troop leaders and they're linked to Planned Parenthood."

/parents are crazy
//yeah yeah CCS
 
2012-02-26 01:27:31 PM

StoneColdAtheist: Goddess of Atheism: Is this the same guy who was on last night's episode of "Doomsday Preppers?" Because if he is, I detected a huge gaping hole in his survival plan: he and his kids have practiced so that they can drive from their home to their bug-out wilderness cabin in less than 40 minutes (assuming the roads are completely free of traffic in the apocalypse), but -- the guy's specific fear is an EMP frying the nation's electronics. In which case, did this guy stop to consider that unless he's had it specially shielded, his own car will be un-driveable after an EMP?

Ha! My '66 Mustang laughs at your lack of faith... ;)


Except for the exciter diode in the alternator, sure.
 
2012-02-26 01:28:43 PM
Foxfire. (new window)
 
2012-02-26 01:29:36 PM

cryinoutloud: jso2897: There is nothing wrong with this, in and of itself.
There is, however, a certain mindset that one tends to see among "survivalists" - a dissociation with society, and an indifference to the fortunes of others. The idea that one will survive the collapse of civilization is the ultimate manifestation of "screw you, I've got mine".
It's a fantasy, of course - but it's a toxic fantasy that feeds into the sort of social autism that seems to be so common these days.

That was such a great post I'm just going to repeat it.

Zizzowop: : Between Doomsday Preppers, My Strange Addiction, Hoarders and Extreme Couponing, I have come to the conclusion that there are a lot of bat-crab crazy people in America.

Did you notice that all that stuff has to do with consumer culture? I think our dysfunctional relationship with Stuff is making us crazy. Obsessed with getting it, obsessed with losing it, getting the 'best deal', getting more than our neighbor, always getting the newest and best Stuff.....the culture in this country is turning everybody into wackjobs.


I agree, it's funny too how they crossover, like my strange addiction is cutting coupons and hoarding stuff I don't need, while at the same time, Frank and Mike show up to pick through my useless crap before selling it at a pawn shop.
 
2012-02-26 01:29:56 PM
Better link to the pertinent series. Foxfire. (new window)
 
2012-02-26 01:30:15 PM

Triptolemus: 8 inches: My Smith and Wesson - that's all I need to survive.

For me, it's Ruger all the way buddy. Last year I carried my Redhawk every day- it's one of the most durable, dependable, useful guns ever made if you ask me. You can abuse it all day long and it still performs. If you want a ferrari there are lots of great guns out there. If you need a truck that will last 100 years with a lot of abuse, I'll stick with my Redhawk.

/yes, I'm in love with my Redhawk
//which says something because I don't even like handguns
///more of a long-gun guy myself


Sweet...that Redhawk Colt 45 is California approved!

/oh, wait...it's $900... *yikes!*
 
2012-02-26 01:30:49 PM

StoneColdAtheist:

Ha! My '66 Mustang laughs at your lack of faith... ;)


Who would have thought being poor and driving crappy old cars would come in useful someday?

/thank God for carburetors.
// or, thank nothing in your case StoneColdAthiest
///Seriously, you own a '66 mustang and you don't believe in a god?
////Must not be restored. . . my father in law has a '56 corvette. Driving that thing makes makes me feel religious.
 
2012-02-26 01:31:37 PM

rohar: 8 inches: My Smith and Wesson - that's all I need to survive.

Good luck with that. I know how to cast metals and source the materials for the foundry on my property. There's a ball mill in the shop that could be used for grinding/milling propellants. (I built it to clean steel parts). shiat hits the fan and I'm 24 hours away from a 6" cannon.



Be a lot easier if you already had the cannon and balls built. Gunpowder, on the other hand...
 
2012-02-26 01:33:18 PM

rohar: Except for the exciter diode in the alternator, sure.


Dude...first you want me to come up there and drive your Bimmer for you, and when I say no you start raining on my parade! ;^)

/will a '52 GMC generator (alternator?) with external regulator from a pickup work?
 
2012-02-26 01:33:19 PM
I'll bet this paranoid idiot even wears a seatbelt every time he drives his car. We should all mock people who hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
 
2012-02-26 01:34:54 PM

StoneColdAtheist:

Sweet...that Redhawk Colt 45 is California approved!

/oh, wait...it's $900... *yikes!*


Yeah, they're worth every penny if you use them regularly. It's easy for me to say though, because I got mine for a screamin' deal ($450). It had the serial number filed off, for those kinds of prices I don't ask questions.

/just kidding about the number, I did get it for $450 though.
 
2012-02-26 01:37:25 PM

Valarius: rohar: 8 inches: My Smith and Wesson - that's all I need to survive.

Good luck with that. I know how to cast metals and source the materials for the foundry on my property. There's a ball mill in the shop that could be used for grinding/milling propellants. (I built it to clean steel parts). shiat hits the fan and I'm 24 hours away from a 6" cannon.


Be a lot easier if you already had the cannon and balls built. Gunpowder, on the other hand...


Yeah, come on rohar. Get ahead of the curve buddy. Plus apocalyptic road warrior chicks dig big cannons. You might get a head start on repopulating the planet.
 
2012-02-26 01:37:34 PM

Triptolemus: StoneColdAtheist: Ha! My '66 Mustang laughs at your lack of faith... ;)

Who would have thought being poor and driving crappy old cars would come in useful someday?

/thank God for carburetors.
// or, thank nothing in your case StoneColdAthiest
///Seriously, you own a '66 mustang and you don't believe in a god?
////Must not be restored. . . my father in law has a '56 corvette. Driving that thing makes makes me feel religious.


LOL...mine is actually a reproduction Trans-Am/A-Sedan vintage race car. Or at least will be when I finish it. The vintage rules require period-correct technology, so no EFI, or 5-speeds. No smoothed carbon bodywork, etc. Just a carb, points and a 4-sp. They do allow 302s in place of 289s, though. Concession to reality.
 
2012-02-26 01:38:02 PM

Allen. The end.: crotchgrabber: If the shiat hits the fan I'll drink through it.

That's just gross!

/On the other hand, apocalypse-Fallout-Don Fagen thread? Oh, FARK, you do me so good...


We've got provisions, and lots of beer...

/The key word is survival on the New Frontier
 
2012-02-26 01:40:24 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: How about "Dad, you're a paranoid idiot"?

/people couldn't live without power?


Yes, he's paranoid. But my in-laws live just across Phoenix from this guy, and I do worry that they'll lose power in summer. 120 degree Farenheit days can kill you when you're in your 70s. They have a back-up generator now, and I'm sure the old folk community centers have emergency power for cooling, but IMO electricity is a literal necessity for them during the summer.
 
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