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(Talking Points Memo)   On today's "This is Your Republican Party," Rick Santorum calls Obama a "snob" for wanting people to go to college   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 432
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2012-02-25 03:49:38 PM
what a farking asshole.
 
2012-02-25 03:51:55 PM
This guy is an idiot isn't he. He doesn't just play one on TV. I really want him to get the Republican nomination. Obama would wipe the floor with him.
 
2012-02-25 03:57:38 PM
DEM LIBERELS AN DER FANCY BOOK LERNIN!
 
2012-02-25 04:00:50 PM
So by his logic, Obama secretly replaced every college's curriculum with plastic surgery and skin pigmentation?
 
2012-02-25 04:04:53 PM
What a dope. America needs more Performing Arts majors and less plumbers.
 
2012-02-25 04:21:52 PM

DarthBrooks: What a dope. America needs more Performing Arts majors and less plumbers.


Yeah, because plumbers don't go to school or anything. They just KNOW sh*t.
 
2012-02-25 04:34:00 PM
While it is true that not everyone should go to college, and that learning a trade could be more beneficial to some people than a four year degree, I doubt Santorum was thinking along these lines when he was spewing froth out his ass.
 
2012-02-25 05:01:24 PM
Please, please, please nominate this guy.
 
2012-02-25 05:27:18 PM
"...so people can remake their children into their image, not his."

Yeah, let's perpetuate ignorance.
 
2012-02-25 05:30:17 PM

DarthBrooks: What a dope. America needs more Performing Arts majors and less plumbers.


So, make it harder for kids to go to college because we need more plumbers. Good Republican logic there.
 
2012-02-25 05:50:48 PM
We have a vast system of public education in this country, a network of great state universities and colleges and none of us would have it otherwise. - Ronald Farking Reagain... biatch.
 
2012-02-25 06:26:07 PM

ultraholland: "...so people can remake their children into their image, not his."

Yeah, let's perpetuate ignorance.


Actually, to me that came off as just creepy.
 
2012-02-25 10:40:59 PM

DarthBrooks: What a dope. America needs more Performing Arts majors and less fewer plumbers.


FTFY

/English minor.
 
2012-02-25 10:50:50 PM

ultraholland: "...so people can remake their children into their image, not his."

Yeah, let's perpetuate ignorance.


I love this Republican argument.

"I don't want my children to be like President Obama. He is intelligent and a hard worker, and applied himself towards serving his community rather than cashing in on his degree to help realize a dream that most people though was impossible."

"I want my children to be like me. I read at an 8th grade level, am on public assistance, and am a Tea Party Republican."
 
2012-02-26 08:26:21 AM

ultraholland: "...so people can remake their children into their image, not his."

Yeah, let's perpetuate ignorance.


I thought it was all about His image.
 
2012-02-26 08:38:58 AM
I understand what he's saying. Belief that the only valid and worthy avenue for kids to take is through college is snobbery and many here exhibit it. He's fumbling the message though.

1) It's not a bad thing to make going to college easier, however, the right way to do it is to get tuition rates lowered, not make college loans easier to get. Could instead be worded "Obama is making it easier for you kid to go into life long debt"
2) There are a lot of smart, intelligent, good and decent people who have never set foot into a college, so please stop pretending like it's the end all and be all of growing up.
 
2012-02-26 08:54:46 AM
Just say it, Santorum. Uppity.
 
2012-02-26 09:00:31 AM
College isn't right for everyone, but Santorum isn't right for anyone.
 
2012-02-26 09:07:20 AM
Yeah, all those parents who dreamed of sending their kids to college, what were they thinking? I mean, who wants their kids to have things better than they had it? Education? What has that gotten us as a nation? Reading? What sort of measure is literacy when you can get your stories on the TV machine, and with heaving bosoms right there, with cat fights and some guys in suits--who probably went to one of them fancy colleges--laugh their cruel laughs? Everyone knows that education leads to questioning, and questioning leads to atheism, and atheism leads to godlessness and wanting to grant civil rights to minorities.

Of course, Mr. Santorum went to one of those fancy colleges, and got one of those degrees that you have to translate from some dead language that only priests who went to a fancy college know, so maybe, just maybe, this is all just Sturm und Drang about trying to connect with people that he has no idea how they live their lives, and wants to trade on their innate fear and envy...
 
2012-02-26 09:08:48 AM

dopeydwarf: College isn't right for everyone, but Santorum isn't right for anyone.


right, but everyone should have the opportunity to go to college.
 
2012-02-26 09:16:19 AM

FlashHarry: right, but everyone should have the opportunity to go to college.


Perhaps its just easier to sell derp to people without it?
 
2012-02-26 09:17:39 AM

hubiestubert: wants to trade on their innate fear


This has been the republican model for eleven and a half years.
 
2012-02-26 09:18:32 AM
What Santorum wanted to say was "I'm mad that the country values higher education, logic, and analysis over blind faith, mindless recitation of meaningless dogma, and obeisance to traditional authority."
 
2012-02-26 09:21:26 AM

CanisNoir: I understand what he's saying. Belief that the only valid and worthy avenue for kids to take is through college is snobbery and many here exhibit it. He's fumbling the message though.

1) It's not a bad thing to make going to college easier, however, the right way to do it is to get tuition rates lowered, not make college loans easier to get. Could instead be worded "Obama is making it easier for you kid to go into life long debt"
2) There are a lot of smart, intelligent, good and decent people who have never set foot into a college, so please stop pretending like it's the end all and be all of growing up.


As much as I hate to agree with you, I'll see your points and raise you:
As more of the population gets college degrees, business raises the entry level qualifications, so a position that used to require a high school diploma now requires a BA or BS. Why? I have 2 college degrees, which only proves that I can get through college.
 
2012-02-26 09:22:51 AM
That's Rick Santorum, BA in Political Science at Penn State University, Masters at University of Pittsburgh, and JD at Penn State Law telling people that college is bad.

So college is bad, except for him, and he also thinks your kids are stupid enough to be indoctrinated.
 
2012-02-26 09:23:17 AM
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2012-02-26 09:24:42 AM

cameroncrazy1984: This guy is an idiot isn't he. He doesn't just play one on TV. I really want him to get the Republican nomination. Obama would wipe the floor with him.


Vote for him if you live in an open primary state. I do and am.
 
2012-02-26 09:25:24 AM
You know, I watched this and I had to rewind it twice. THEN goes with the indoctrination thing again? However, I can't decide what's worse him saying it or the crowd cheering it. WTF is the GOP up to seriously? birth control and the President is a snob because he wants everyone to attend college?
 
2012-02-26 09:26:16 AM

Aarontology: That's Rick Santorum, BA in Political Science at Penn State University, Masters at University of Pittsburgh, and JD at Penn State Law telling people that college is bad.

So college is bad, except for him, and he also thinks your kids are stupid enough to be indoctrinated.


Well, since none of his education seems to have taken root in his his brain, I can see his opposition to higher learning.
 
2012-02-26 09:26:22 AM

CanisNoir: I understand what he's saying. Belief that the only valid and worthy avenue for kids to take is through college is snobbery and many here exhibit it. He's fumbling the message though..


Bullshiat!

1) His message IS that education = snobbery. He is speaking to and for people who glorify ignorance, soliciting their support. If there is any fumbling, it's that he said it plainly rather than using the dogwhistle. The CanisNoir School of Obfuscation: decoding what is not encoded, can bark and go pound sand.

C) It is not an either/or choice. In general, the plumber that has even just some college is a better and more informed citizen than one who only has a HS education. That is not to say that autodidacts and curious-minded people can't learn on their own. As to who is a better plumber, having waited half an hour while the best of people and a dammed good plumber counted up his bill on his fingers...yes, dammit, this really happened within the last week...I would give the edge to the guy with a little more education.

Of course, Santorum and people of CanisNoir's ilk only want people to know enough to do their jobs and obey orders.

fark 'em both.
 
2012-02-26 09:27:34 AM

Krymson Tyde: Vote for him if you live in an open primary state. I do and am.


What if he wins the nomination and then beats Obama?
I mean, if Obama doesn't win....I'd rather deal with Romney than a pseudo-theocrat like Santorum.
 
2012-02-26 09:29:22 AM

simplicimus: Well, since none of his education seems to have taken root in his his brain, I can see his opposition to higher learning.


I dunno. He's pretty decent at bullshiatting which is something important you learn at college.

Everything else though...
 
2012-02-26 09:39:44 AM

Aarontology: simplicimus: Well, since none of his education seems to have taken root in his his brain, I can see his opposition to higher learning.

I dunno. He's pretty decent at bullshiatting which is something important you learn at college.

Everything else though...


Ah, the ol

Aarontology: simplicimus: Well, since none of his education seems to have taken root in his his brain, I can see his opposition to higher learning.

I dunno. He's pretty decent at bullshiatting which is something important you learn at college.

Everything else though...


Ah, the old joke:
B.S. = Bull Shiat
M.S. = More Shiat
P.H.D = Piled Higher and Deeper.
 
2012-02-26 09:39:48 AM

shivashakti: Krymson Tyde: Vote for him if you live in an open primary state. I do and am.

What if he wins the nomination and then beats Obama?
I mean, if Obama doesn't win....I'd rather deal with Romney than a pseudo-theocrat like Santorum.


I really think it's time to have a national referendum on this kind of idiocy. Let them put their true face forward for all of America to see and let the people choose. If voters choose Santorum after every moronic position he's put forward, if that many people think the way he does then we're doomed as a nation anyway.
My hope and expectation is that this will be the wake up call our nation needs to finally see and understand what he and his ilk are truly about.
 
2012-02-26 09:44:45 AM

Krymson Tyde: I really think it's time to have a national referendum on this kind of idiocy. Let them put their true face forward for all of America to see and let the people choose. If voters choose Santorum after every moronic position he's put forward, if that many people think the way he does then we're doomed as a nation anyway.
My hope and expectation is that this will be the wake up call our nation needs to finally see and understand what he and his ilk are truly about.


I pray that Santorum doesn't become President....
Gingrich either. But especially not Santorum. I'd rather wackadoodle Ron Paul than Santorum.
 
2012-02-26 09:46:38 AM

shivashakti: Krymson Tyde: I really think it's time to have a national referendum on this kind of idiocy. Let them put their true face forward for all of America to see and let the people choose. If voters choose Santorum after every moronic position he's put forward, if that many people think the way he does then we're doomed as a nation anyway.
My hope and expectation is that this will be the wake up call our nation needs to finally see and understand what he and his ilk are truly about.

I pray that Santorum doesn't become President....
Gingrich either. But especially not Santorum. I'd rather wackadoodle Ron Paul than Santorum.


If I had to choose I think I'd take Romney over Paul over either Santorum or Gingrich.
 
2012-02-26 09:48:52 AM

Krymson Tyde: If I had to choose I think I'd take Romney over Paul over either Santorum or Gingrich.


Same here... and though I'm not a Democrat, I'd rather Obama out of any of those guys.
 
2012-02-26 09:56:15 AM

vartian: DarthBrooks: What a dope. America needs more Performing Arts majors and less plumbers.

So, make it harder for kids to go to college because we need more plumbers. Good Republican logic there.


So, lower the entrance requirements for people who'll spend two years at college, rack up $40k in student loan debt, and wind up trying to pay off the loan while they're at a trade school to learn how to be plumbers, because everybody should go to college. Good Democratic logic there.
 
2012-02-26 09:59:17 AM

DarthBrooks: vartian: DarthBrooks: What a dope. America needs more Performing Arts majors and less plumbers.

So, make it harder for kids to go to college because we need more plumbers. Good Republican logic there.

So, lower the entrance requirements for people who'll spend two years at college, rack up $40k in student loan debt, and wind up trying to pay off the loan while they're at a trade school to learn how to be plumbers, because everybody should go to college. Good Democratic logic there.


Let's biatch and moan and point fingers instead of trying to come up with actual reform. Great partisan logic there.
 
2012-02-26 10:26:21 AM

shivashakti: Krymson Tyde: If I had to choose I think I'd take Romney over Paul over either Santorum or Gingrich.

Same here... and though I'm not a Democrat, I'd rather Obama out of any of those guys.


I tend to vote democrat, but only because they are closer to my views than the republicans are. I certainly don't call myself a democrat.
I'd prefer a much mor socially liberal option.
 
2012-02-26 10:33:03 AM

Krymson Tyde: I tend to vote democrat, but only because they are closer to my views than the republicans are. I certainly don't call myself a democrat.
I'd prefer a much mor socially liberal option.


Likewise.
 
2012-02-26 10:39:52 AM

shivashakti: Krymson Tyde: I tend to vote democrat, but only because they are closer to my views than the republicans are. I certainly don't call myself a democrat.
I'd prefer a much mor socially liberal option.

Likewise.


Let's face it, we left-liberals are the silent majority these days. :)
 
2012-02-26 10:42:33 AM

coco ebert: Let's face it, we left-liberals are the silent majority these days. :)


Left Liberal, or left liberal adjusted for American politics?
 
2012-02-26 10:47:26 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: 1) His message IS that education = snobbery. He is speaking to and for people who glorify ignorance, soliciting their support. If there is any fumbling, it's that he said it plainly rather than using the dogwhistle. The CanisNoir School of Obfuscation: decoding what is not encoded, can bark and go pound sand.


This quote from the article would beg to differ with you:
"There are good, decent men and women who work hard every day and put their skills to the test that aren't taught by some liberal college professor."

C) It is not an either/or choice.


No, it is not an either/or choice, however, the point Santorum was making along side of bashing Obama, was that going to College is *not* the only honorable avenue for kids to take. Skilled trades etc... have their place and in no way reflect upon the intelligence of a person. The snobbery comes when people think that College *is* the only way to go.


Of course, Santorum and people of CanisNoir's ilk only want people to know enough to do their jobs and obey orders.


I'm not the one here exhibiting reading comprehension problems, and to be honest, giving a shait ton of money to a college is *not* the only way to expand one's knowledge. Libraries still exist, and if that's too "old school" for you, there's Amazon.com, those new kindle thingies and a whole host of youtube videos. (The Stanford lectures on String Theory are particularly interesting).

Again, it's snobbery to think the *only* way to learn something is to go into debt and attend classes in between the latest beer bong party.
 
2012-02-26 10:54:55 AM
"That's why he wants you to go to college. He wants to remake you in his image," Santorum said to more applause. "I want to create jobs so people can remake their children into their image, not his."

Apparently his audience didn't notice the implied insult. "I don't want your kids to be smart like Obama, I want them to be dumb laborers like you."
 
2012-02-26 10:55:29 AM

cameroncrazy1984: DarthBrooks: What a dope. America needs more Performing Arts majors and less plumbers.

Yeah, because plumbers don't go to school or anything. They just KNOW sh*t.


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2012-02-26 10:55:41 AM

Party Boy: coco ebert: Let's face it, we left-liberals are the silent majority these days. :)

Left Liberal, or left liberal adjusted for American politics?


I guess both. I'm way off the charts to the left by American standards. Then again, I know a lot of people like me, so it's not as if it's completely unheard of to be a Bernie Sanders-type social democrat or democratic socialist, we just don't have much representation in the official political class.
 
2012-02-26 10:58:45 AM

CanisNoir: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: 1) His message IS that education = snobbery. He is speaking to and for people who glorify ignorance, soliciting their support. If there is any fumbling, it's that he said it plainly rather than using the dogwhistle. The CanisNoir School of Obfuscation: decoding what is not encoded, can bark and go pound sand.

This quote from the article would beg to differ with you:
"There are good, decent men and women who work hard every day and put their skills to the test that aren't taught by some liberal college professor."

C) It is not an either/or choice.

No, it is not an either/or choice, however, the point Santorum was making along side of bashing Obama, was that going to College is *not* the only honorable avenue for kids to take. Skilled trades etc... have their place and in no way reflect upon the intelligence of a person. The snobbery comes when people think that College *is* the only way to go.


Of course, Santorum and people of CanisNoir's ilk only want people to know enough to do their jobs and obey orders.

I'm not the one here exhibiting reading comprehension problems, and to be honest, giving a shait ton of money to a college is *not* the only way to expand one's knowledge. Libraries still exist, and if that's too "old school" for you, there's Amazon.com, those new kindle thingies and a whole host of youtube videos. (The Stanford lectures on String Theory are particularly interesting).

Again, it's snobbery to think the *only* way to learn something is to go into debt and attend classes in between the latest beer bong party.



Just to add another great source of free educational material, M.I.T. has a hell of a lot of courses available on their site and no registration is required.
 
2012-02-26 11:02:16 AM

CanisNoir: I understand what he's saying. Belief that the only valid and worthy avenue for kids to take is through college is snobbery and many here exhibit it. He's fumbling the message though.

1) It's not a bad thing to make going to college easier, however, the right way to do it is to get tuition rates lowered, not make college loans easier to get. Could instead be worded "Obama is making it easier for you kid to go into life long debt"
2) There are a lot of smart, intelligent, good and decent people who have never set foot into a college, so please stop pretending like it's the end all and be all of growing up.


so you're proud of your lack of education?
 
2012-02-26 11:07:41 AM

Weaver95: so you're proud of your lack of education?


I've never described my educational level, but I am proud that I don't need to go back to college to expand my knowledge. I happen to think having natural curiosity about things is a bonus and I don't look down on people who choose a different path to happiness than myself.

In other words, I've known some pretty uneducated people who have degrees and I know plenty of educated people who don't. Only a snob thinks a degree makes someone either intelligent or educated.
 
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