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2012-02-26 12:22:27 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: cameroncrazy1984: You'll say anything to change the subject away from birth control, won't you.

EnviroDude: Democrats favored slavery, jim crow, and discrimination. But the evil history of the democrat party is ignored by democrats.

Yep. It stings.


Those former Dixiecrats now fall wholeheartedly under the GOP banner. Or did you not notice the geopolitical reversal that's happened in the southeast over the last few decades?

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2012-02-26 12:24:03 AM

dlp211: Right, and I admitted I was wrong and moved on with the conversation. And while contraceptives are easy to obtain, they are not 1) free and 2) not everyone is educated on their use. I think if we dive deeper into the statistics of abortions of 20-29 year olds, we will find the majority of them come from under educated women, but that is merely a guess.


they are not free but they are pretty damn close to it. If you don't know how to put a condom on by the time you're 20 you should probably just stop trying to get laid
 
2012-02-26 12:24:06 AM

iaazathot: WhyteRaven74: frankmanhog: One would expect Catholic women would not use birth control,

Which brings up a fun bit of recent church history, back in the 60s there was the Pontifical Commission on Birth Control, which decided that there was nothing contrary to Catholic teachings in the use of birth control pills. Pope Paul VI disagreed and there you have it.

Interesting, I did not know that.

That was a good rant. Just let the GOP marginalize the female vote. They are flying towards political irrelevancy. Obama has figured out a very Taoist approach. Do nothing, and allow your enemy to destroy himself.


Actually it's more of a Napoleonic thing: "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake".
 
2012-02-26 12:24:32 AM
fta If it's really about life, about the sanctity of life, if jamming a probe into a woman's vagina and forcing her to look at her insides in order to exercise her constitutional right under the law is about life,if it's about that, well then I propose a few amendments.

Anticipated a modest proposal. Was not disappointed. Chortled and gawfawed.
 
2012-02-26 12:28:58 AM

Peki: I suppose for me to look at abortion on that level isn't really possible. I'm not sure I could ever see it as a neutral medical procedure.


I don't think many people can, and I understand that. But I'll still adamantly oppose those people's legislative agenda to make access to abortions more difficult. Which brings us back to the importance of education on the subject. And the shame of how thoroughly religion and politics have for many become impossible to separate.

Zeno-25: Those former Dixiecrats now fall wholeheartedly under the GOP banner. Or did you not notice the geopolitical reversal that's happened in the southeast over the last few decades?


Crossed wires. I was talking about enviro being stung by the article, not anyone being stung by his inane comments.
 
2012-02-26 12:32:39 AM

dlp211: And I have no clue what the fark happened to that first line.
It should read "My Weeners"


If you'd leave your weeners out of this, maybe we wouldn't have to have all these abortions.
 
2012-02-26 12:33:21 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: But I'll still adamantly oppose those people's legislative agenda to make access to abortions more difficult. Which brings us back to the importance of education on the subject. And the shame of how thoroughly religion and politics have for many become impossible to separate.


Completely agree with you there.
 
2012-02-26 12:38:11 AM

skullkrusher: dlp211: Right, and I admitted I was wrong and moved on with the conversation. And while contraceptives are easy to obtain, they are not 1) free and 2) not everyone is educated on their use. I think if we dive deeper into the statistics of abortions of 20-29 year olds, we will find the majority of them come from under educated women, but that is merely a guess.

they are not free but they are pretty damn close to it. If you don't know how to put a condom on by the time you're 20 you should probably just stop trying to get laid


Cheap is not free. And there are a lot of people that don't know how to put a condom on right by the time they are 20. Hell there are a lot of people that don't know how to put one on by the time they are 30. And I am talking about the whole range of contraceptives. The pill, the ring, the shot, the morning after pill, female condoms, male condoms, and probably a whole host of others that I haven't mentioned.

If you educate people and make them free, then abortions would decrease. Would they go to zero, no, would they drop more then a few or more percentage points, if you have a good education program and actually get through to people early enough, yep.
 
HBK
2012-02-26 12:39:34 AM

hubiestubert: It is impossible to be consistent with opposition to abortion, but support state executions...


go on...
 
2012-02-26 12:39:36 AM

cryinoutloud: dlp211: And I have no clue what the fark happened to that first line.
It should read "My Weeners"

If you'd leave your weeners out of this, maybe we wouldn't have to have all these abortions.


For some reason the filter doesn't like farst comment, change the a to an i.

/hope it doesn't eat this again
 
2012-02-26 12:39:56 AM

dlp211: And I have no clue what the fark happened to that first line.


Fark FAQ:
For whatever reason message boards on sites like Fark are forever plagued with morons posting "Boobies" anytime a link is posted. Fark automatically turns the words "Boobies" into the word "boobies" and resets the timestamp on the message to some time in the future so that it isn't the Boobies anymore. Attempts to evade that sometimes result in it becoming "weeners" instead of "boobies".
 
2012-02-26 12:41:31 AM

dlp211: skullkrusher: dlp211: Right, and I admitted I was wrong and moved on with the conversation. And while contraceptives are easy to obtain, they are not 1) free and 2) not everyone is educated on their use. I think if we dive deeper into the statistics of abortions of 20-29 year olds, we will find the majority of them come from under educated women, but that is merely a guess.

they are not free but they are pretty damn close to it. If you don't know how to put a condom on by the time you're 20 you should probably just stop trying to get laid

Cheap is not free. And there are a lot of people that don't know how to put a condom on right by the time they are 20. Hell there are a lot of people that don't know how to put one on by the time they are 30. And I am talking about the whole range of contraceptives. The pill, the ring, the shot, the morning after pill, female condoms, male condoms, and probably a whole host of others that I haven't mentioned.

If you educate people and make them free, then abortions would decrease. Would they go to zero, no, would they drop more then a few or more percentage points, if you have a good education program and actually get through to people early enough, yep.


why the heck do we need to make a whole range of contraceptives free? If we "need" to make them available for free, why not offer the cheapest option which also protects against disease?
 
2012-02-26 12:42:42 AM

s2s2s2: dlp211: And I have no clue what the fark happened to that first line.

Fark FAQ:
For whatever reason message boards on sites like Fark are forever plagued with morons posting "Boobies" anytime a link is posted. Fark automatically turns the words "Boobies" into the word "boobies" and resets the timestamp on the message to some time in the future so that it isn't the Boobies anymore. Attempts to evade that sometimes result in it becoming "weeners" instead of "boobies".


It took me a second to realize it was filtering this too. Nyquil's got me all messed up.

/stupid cold
 
2012-02-26 12:45:49 AM

skullkrusher: why the heck do we need to make a whole range of contraceptives free? If we "need" to make them available for free, why not offer the cheapest option which also protects against disease?


Because the cheapest one depends on how often one has sex, and also condoms are one of the least effective compared to the others. And why not make the rest free if the outcome is reduced crime, poverty, and welfare?
 
2012-02-26 12:47:04 AM
I was on board until the writer jumped on the gun issue.
 
2012-02-26 12:50:15 AM

skullkrusher:
why the heck do we need to make a whole range of contraceptives free? If we "need" to make them available for free, why not offer the cheapest option which also protects against disease?


Because some people might be allergic to latex.

Because the pill isn't appropriate for women who smoke or are over 35.

Because Depo may cause adverse side effects. . .

Need I go on?
 
2012-02-26 12:51:36 AM

dlp211: Because the cheapest one depends on how often one has sex, and also condoms are one of the least effective compared to the others. And why not make the rest free if the outcome is reduced crime, poverty, and welfare?


Sex twice a day, every day and condoms come out cheaper than the pill. Why make the rest free when condoms do the trick and cover other bases?
 
2012-02-26 12:59:02 AM
Life begins at conception and ends at marriage, or Mom's menopause, whichever comes first.
 
2012-02-26 01:01:10 AM
Because they are still the hardest to use properly and the least effective compared to the others for stopping pregnancy. they also don't give women the ability to be proactive in preventing pregnancy. Also, in the cases of rape and incest, there is at least some chance that the pregnancy is prevented if the women to chooses to use the pill, the morning after pill etc.
 
HBK
2012-02-26 01:03:18 AM

skullkrusher: dlp211: Because the cheapest one depends on how often one has sex, and also condoms are one of the least effective compared to the others. And why not make the rest free if the outcome is reduced crime, poverty, and welfare?

Sex twice a day, every day and condoms come out cheaper than the pill. Why make the rest free when condoms do the trick and cover other bases?


Because condoms suck. Have you ever had sex without a condom? It's about 100 times better.
 
2012-02-26 01:03:48 AM

skullkrusher: dlp211: Because the cheapest one depends on how often one has sex, and also condoms are one of the least effective compared to the others. And why not make the rest free if the outcome is reduced crime, poverty, and welfare?

Sex twice a day, every day and condoms come out cheaper than the pill. Why make the rest free when condoms do the trick and cover other bases?


it's still not 100%

condoms break, and many don't know how to properly use condoms. even combining several kinds of birth control isn't 100%

and making every conceivable form of birth control is ultimately cheaper than the healthcare costs of pregnancy, not to mention the future healthcare costs of the child.
 
2012-02-26 01:13:16 AM

HBK: Because condoms suck. Have you ever had sex without a condom? It's about 100 times better.


You are buying the wrong brand.
 
HBK
2012-02-26 01:14:51 AM

Harry_Seldon: HBK: Because condoms suck. Have you ever had sex without a condom? It's about 100 times better.

You are buying the wrong brand.


Which brand feels better or almost as good as a woman's bare vagina?
 
2012-02-26 01:19:20 AM

HBK: Harry_Seldon: HBK: Because condoms suck. Have you ever had sex without a condom? It's about 100 times better.

You are buying the wrong brand.

Which brand feels better or almost as good as a woman's bare vagina?


How am I supposed to know? I haven't seen one of those since I was born.
 
2012-02-26 01:19:43 AM

sno man: Because People in


So then park street industrialists will have our back, man. (Or knot.)
 
2012-02-26 01:22:28 AM

EnviroDude: Democrats favored slavery, jim crow, and discrimination. But the evil history of the democrat party is ignored by democrats.


Because the Southern Strategy never happened.
 
2012-02-26 01:26:02 AM
Your blog does not suck.
 
2012-02-26 01:32:54 AM

Harry_Seldon: HBK: Because condoms suck. Have you ever had sex without a condom? It's about 100 times better.

You are buying the wrong brand.


I'm female, and I don't like them.

/have tried several brands, settled on Trojan Ultra Thins, use that in combo with a kind of calendar/paying attention to your own damn body method
//2 1/2 years, no pregnancy
 
HBK
2012-02-26 01:37:18 AM

Harry_Seldon: HBK: Harry_Seldon: HBK: Because condoms suck. Have you ever had sex without a condom? It's about 100 times better.

You are buying the wrong brand.

Which brand feels better or almost as good as a woman's bare vagina?

How am I supposed to know? I haven't seen one of those since I was born.


Lol. So we're talking about man-ass here. Rubbers are pretty much a necessity for you guys due to AIDS. That's one bonus for being a hetero man. We can't dance, decorate, or dress as well as you guys, but it's way harder for us to get HIV.

So which brand is the closest to bare ass then?
 
HBK
2012-02-26 01:39:39 AM

Peki: Harry_Seldon: HBK: Because condoms suck. Have you ever had sex without a condom? It's about 100 times better.

You are buying the wrong brand.

I'm female, and I don't like them.

/have tried several brands, settled on Trojan Ultra Thins, use that in combo with a kind of calendar/paying attention to your own damn body method
//2 1/2 years, no pregnancy


I had a package of those once. I told my date "uh, that's the thickness of the latex, not the size."
 
2012-02-26 01:40:17 AM
HBK

The one in your mouth?
 
2012-02-26 01:41:56 AM

HBK: I had a package of those once. I told my date "uh, that's the thickness of the latex, not the size."


LOL!!!
 
2012-02-26 01:43:02 AM

HBK: That's one bonus for being a hetero man. We can't dance, decorate, or dress as well as you guys, but it's way harder for us to get HIV.


Actually, HIV infection rates have been going down in the gay male communities and up in the heterosexual communities. So, just because you're not letting Steve from Accounting plow your hairy little pucker on your lunch break doesn't mean you're not going to get HIV.
 
2012-02-26 01:46:12 AM

Dan the Schman: skullkrusher: dlp211: Because the cheapest one depends on how often one has sex, and also condoms are one of the least effective compared to the others. And why not make the rest free if the outcome is reduced crime, poverty, and welfare?

Sex twice a day, every day and condoms come out cheaper than the pill. Why make the rest free when condoms do the trick and cover other bases?

it's still not 100%

condoms break, and many don't know how to properly use condoms. even combining several kinds of birth control isn't 100%

and making every conceivable form of birth control is ultimately cheaper than the healthcare costs of pregnancy, not to mention the future healthcare costs of the child.


img.photobucket.com
 
2012-02-26 01:48:17 AM
Oh look, that straw man argument again, it's been awhile since I last saw it.
 
2012-02-26 01:51:05 AM

randomjsa: Oh look, that straw man argument again, it's been awhile since I last saw it.


You would know straw, that is for sure.
 
2012-02-26 01:51:09 AM

HBK: Harry_Seldon: HBK: Harry_Seldon: HBK: Because condoms suck. Have you ever had sex without a condom? It's about 100 times better.

You are buying the wrong brand.

Which brand feels better or almost as good as a woman's bare vagina?

How am I supposed to know? I haven't seen one of those since I was born.

Lol. So we're talking about man-ass here. Rubbers are pretty much a necessity for you guys due to AIDS. That's one bonus for being a hetero man. We can't dance, decorate, or dress as well as you guys, but it's way harder for us to get HIV.

So which brand is the closest to bare ass then?


I was joking. Not gay. Not having any sex with anyone, but I like females, especially when they do the cooking and cleaning.

//NTTIAWWI
 
HBK
2012-02-26 01:51:28 AM

Ed Grubermann: HBK: That's one bonus for being a hetero man. We can't dance, decorate, or dress as well as you guys, but it's way harder for us to get HIV.

Actually, HIV infection rates have been going down in the gay male communities and up in the heterosexual communities. So, just because you're not letting Steve from Accounting plow your hairy little pucker on your lunch break doesn't mean you're not going to get HIV.


Dammit, you guys are taking everything from us now.
 
2012-02-26 01:55:55 AM
"For them, life begins at conception and ends at birth"

Indeed, some will never get that much vag again.
 
2012-02-26 01:56:20 AM

EnviroDude: DarthBrooks: For them, life begins at conception and ends at birth

As soon as there's an atheist version of Catholic Charities, and the Catholic church stops providing care for the poor and the sick. Until then, this statement is a lie and the writer is a hypocritical ass.

Writer has had the benefit of being born. And I noticed that the writer was quick not to brand the democrats as being evil for taking corporate money, for endorsing slavery, euginics and economic suicide for those trapped by decades of bad economic policy from the democrats.

/gotta love them when they do that. Stand up Chuck, God Bless ya!


Can someone, anyone, please point to one single retard conservative who can actually acknowledge where all the racists flocked to after the Civil Rights movement? Anyone?

Better yet, can anyone point to a single retard conservative who actually can admit that trickle down and tax cuts for the rich have produced massive deficits and debt, whilst creating the greatest wealth gap in generations?

It does not take any time or study to realize that to be a conservative today you really do have to be A.) retarded, B.) un-educated, C.) just plain dumb. But yeah, keep farking that chicken dimwits, it has been working so well so far huh?

p.s. I know envirodude is a low IQ troll, but still he parrots the typical talking points of the retards of our society (i.e. the conservatives). Sorry dudes you just not intelligent, not our fault your mom slept with her brother.
 
2012-02-26 01:57:50 AM
I can sum up the article with a two word response:

Cognitive dissonance.
 
2012-02-26 02:01:13 AM
Okay look, I'm pro choice, but is it honestly difficult for people to understand why some are against abortion? It involves killing a defenseless human who has done nothing to warrant being put to death, which in some people's minds would make it morally equivalent (or actually equivalent) to murder. People who are against certain contraceptive methods follow the same path of logic except they would consider the human life to begin at conception rather than some point during development (okay I'm sure there are people who want to ban contraceptives because they think God intended sex for procreation, not going to defend them).

The post at a whole was a wonderful display of the idiotic over-the-top rhetoric that drags down so much political discussion. Apparently every single person who is pro-life fulfills every negative stereotype about conservatives and is responsible for all past grievances committed by past members of groups they associate with. Apparently they believe "life begins at conception and ends at birth" because conservatives don't support many social programs? They fight what they feel is the murder of an unborn child, and I'm under the impression that most conservatives also oppose murdering children and adults. No inconsistencies there. Do people really believe that anyone who opposes abortion does so because they hate women?
 
2012-02-26 02:05:44 AM

Arturo: Do people really believe that anyone who opposes abortion does so because they hate women?


In my experience it's about half and half.

/Strange bedfellows at that...
 
2012-02-26 02:10:45 AM

Arturo: Apparently they believe "life begins at conception and ends at birth" because conservatives don't support many social programs?


No, it's usually stated that way because conservatives have no problem sending those future kids off to war to be killed, letting them die because of lack of healthcare, or letting them spend their lives in poverty because of lack of education. They aren't exactly good on the record of preserving all lives, or raising the quality of life for all people, not just unborn ones.

Arturo: Do people really believe that anyone who opposes abortion does so because they hate women?


Anyone? No. Most? Depends. Ever seen that chart? If you're against abortion AND birth control, then yes, you hate women. Unfortunately, this describes most pro-lifers.
 
2012-02-26 02:25:54 AM

Rashnu: WhyteRaven74: Cubansaltyballs: but there was no birth control during the dark ages

Actually methods of birth control is one of the oldest forms of medical literature. Even the book of Genesis refers to one. While many of the methods were in no way effective, there have been methods that were effective at least to some degree.

Avicenna (980-1037), in Canon of Medicine, lists:

rhythm method
separation before seed release (coitus interruptus)
"raise immediately after coitus, jump backwards from seven to nine times forcefully so that the sperm may come out" (Riddle Contraception 128)
sneeze to expel semen
dilute the sperm with slippery agents
suppositories:
cabbage flowers or seed
willow leaves after menstrual flow
pepper after coitus
elephant dung


Brilliant!


II. USE OF SPECIFIC PLANTS FOR BIRTH CONTROL.

The Greeks used Silphium, known commonly as giant fennel. Its pungent sap was good in cough syrups and gave food a rich, distinctive taste. These plants were also known to have contraceptive and abortifacient properties. The plant was honored on a four-drachma Cyrenian coin showing a seated woman touching the plant with one hand while pointing to her genitals with the other hand. The demand for the plant was so great that by the third or fourth centuries, Silphium was extinct. Related plants survived, but were less effective.

The seeds of Queen Anne's Lace (a wild carrot) may have also been effective. Studies in rats show that the seeds inhibit both fetal and ovarian growth. Women in India today chew the dry seeds. A small number of women in rural North Carolina drink a glass of water containing a teaspoon of the seeds immediately after intercourse to prevent pregnancy. Chewing the seeds or deliberately cutting them before ingestion releases the active ingredients. Failure to do so permits the seeds to "go right through you" with no effect.

Another plant used in classical times as contraceptives or abortifacient was pennyroyal. Studies in the 1930s showed that the plant stimulated the production of female sex hormones and reduced fertility in laboratory animals, much as modern contraceptives do.

The ancient Egyptians also practiced birth control. A medical document from 1500 BC lists substances that it claims 'stops pregnancy.' According to the papyrus, unspecified amounts of acacia gum, dates, and an unidentified plant were mixed with plant fiber and honey and formed into a pessary (vaginal suppository). Modern researchers have found acacias to be spermicidal.

How many ancient people actually practiced birth control? Historical demographic studies suggest that pre modern peoples of Europe regulated family size.

Scarring and pitting of bones in the pelvic region provide clues to the number of full-term pregnancies amongst skeletal remains from prehistoric times. Demographic research, laboratory studies, and scrutiny of ancient texts have given us new hints concerning the efficacy of ancient 'family planning.'

We can now understand why the ancient Greeks and Romans valued Silphium and why they tried to develop substitutes when it disappeared from the marketplace. It is more difficult to discover why such herbal birth control agents faded from common usage. Although they are described in medical texts of the early and late Middle Ages, by the onset of the Renaissance, physicians were no longer writing about them. Did doctors no longer know what plants to use, when to use them, or what doses would prevent contraception.
 
2012-02-26 02:32:09 AM

Coelacanth: How many ancient people actually practiced birth control? Historical demographic studies suggest that pre modern peoples of Europe regulated family size.


Strangely enough, humans aren't even the only species to utilize birth control

If you trust Cracked.com that is. (new window)
 
2012-02-26 02:33:13 AM
HTML Fail. Here's the article I tried to link.

Link (new window)
 
2012-02-26 02:46:19 AM

Sabyen91: You would know straw, that is for sure.


In reference to Rjsa, (without actually quoting her), that post makes no sense.
 
2012-02-26 02:54:40 AM
Dear tiny infant lord Jesus:

Please let birth control and (in general) the role of the federal government in enforcing "traditional morality" on people become a major, major issue in the fall elections.

Your buddy
seventypercent
 
2012-02-26 03:12:50 AM

Peki: No, it's usually stated that way because conservatives have no problem sending those future kids off to war to be killed, letting them die because of lack of healthcare, or letting them spend their lives in poverty because of lack of education. They aren't exactly good on the record of preserving all lives, or raising the quality of life for all people, not just unborn ones.


A few more:

- Letting them fall into poverty as a result of preventable teenage pregnancies and forced births.
- Prisoning them for life for minor crimes like at-home marijuana use.
 
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