DeWayne Mann: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet.

I think pitchers are the only position players that can get away with not running out a ground ball.

james3000gore: You can't walk the #8 hitter in the third with two outs. Even if the pitcher is working a no-hitter, the #8 hitter would be going up to bat with only one out.

What?

How about you think about the situation a bit more. Perhaps the score is something other than 0-0?

germ78: DeWayne Mann: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet.

I think pitchers are the only position players that can get away with not running out a ground ball.

Them or crazy left fielders.

Who was the player who after hitting a ball to left field, was thrown out at first base?

9beers: Who was the player who after hitting a ball to left field, was thrown out at first base?

Sean Casey, but that was sort of a weird situation. He thought that the 3rd baseman had caught it (and, in fact, it went down as 5-7-3) and so walked back to the dugout.

There have been at least 6 9-3 putouts, though.

DeWayne Mann: james3000gore: You can't walk the #8 hitter in the third with two outs. Even if the pitcher is working a no-hitter, the #8 hitter would be going up to bat with only one out.

What?

How about you think about the situation a bit more. Perhaps the score is something other than 0-0?

Just because I'm bored, I have found a game involving an intentional walk to the 8 hitter in the third with 2 outs.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200304060.shtml

Marcus Giles: Clearly a witch.

(Also, he did the same thing in the first, fifth & eighth innings. Boy, he must've been really FEARED, Jim Rice style)

DeWayne Mann: DeWayne Mann: james3000gore: You can't walk the #8 hitter in the third with two outs. Even if the pitcher is working a no-hitter, the #8 hitter would be going up to bat with only one out.

What?

How about you think about the situation a bit more. Perhaps the score is something other than 0-0?

Just because I'm bored, I have found a game involving an intentional walk to the 8 hitter in the third with 2 outs.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL200304060.shtml

Marcus Giles: Clearly a witch.

(Also, he did the same thing in the first, fifth & eighth innings. Boy, he must've been really FEARED, Jim Rice style)

Actually, in that game Giles had a IBB in the 1st and 3rd. In the 5th, he walked on 6 pitches, so Penny was not pitching around him. He also walked in the 8th on 5 pitches, but a PH came up after him so I doubt he was pitched around in that instance either.

Also, after the IBB in the 3rd, the pitcher hit an RBI single and advanced to 2nd on the throw. Obviously an easy out.

DaJesus: In the 5th, he walked on 6 pitches, so Penny was not pitching around him. He also walked in the 8th on 5 pitches, but a PH came up after him so I doubt he was pitched around in that instance either.

What definition of pitching around are you using?

You don't really intentionally walk people when you're already down by 8 runs. Seems pretty likely that they started out pitching around him, hoping he'll make light contact, but then put him on semi-intentionally.

DaJesus: Also, after the IBB in the 3rd, the pitcher hit an RBI single and advanced to 2nd on the throw. Obviously an easy out.

During my somewhat random search (I looked for the most walks by a number 8 hitter) I found a guy who walked with ONE out in the 3rd (and his team already up by 4 runs or so)...and then the pitcher hit a grand slam.

Some of you calling NL Pitchers more complete players should know these guys didn't even pick up a bat in the minor leagues. And the idea for the DH cam in 1906 from Connie Mack,, at least publicly, there were other before him that suggested it. So for over 100 years, people have wanted to see pitchers swing like girls.

DeWayne Mann: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet.

Cliff Lee is such a terrible hitter. (new window)

satanorsanta: DeWayne Mann: I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet.

Cliff Lee is such a terrible hitter. (new window)

From the description (underlining mine):

7/9/11: Cliff Lee shatters a scoreless tie in the third with a solo home run, his first of the season

Actually, it was his first EVER...but who's counting?

Mr. Potatoass:

Looking forward to a season of Cardinals baseball without that micromanaging son of a biatch.

who has a few rings

dletter: With "full time" interleague play starting in 2013 though, I think they are going to be pressured into going one way or another in both leagues.

There's no way the union would give up the DH. Or rather, it would take such a large concession that I can't even imagine what it would be. $80million salary floor, no ceiling (with some sort of yearly increase)? Free agency after 4 years?

You're talking the loss of full time jobs (and the salaries that go with) for 15 players.

On the other hand, adding the DH to the NL...well, I think you see where I'm going with this.

So, one way or another isn't quite accurate. The NL will go to the DH, it's just a question of when.

9beers: Mr. Potatoass: Looking forward to a season of Cardinals baseball without that micromanaging son of a biatch.

LOL yeah, sure you are. I bet you're also looking forward to a season without Pujols, right?

Looking forward to this season without Pujols? I'll miss his bat this year, certainly, probably the next 3 for that matter.

Looking forward to the next decade without him? You bet your farking ass I am. Anaheim is more than welcome to our sloppy seconds for the length and cost they are paying for him. Granted they can afford to piss all that money away with their new TV contract, but St. Louis sure as hell couldn't have.

For the record, I'll miss LaRussa this year more than I'll miss Pujols. And I think the Cards will still probably win the Central, though Braun's suspension being upheld would have helped make that more likely. And no, I don't think the Reds can win due to the Dusty Baker Effect^TM.

The DH is gay... that's just a fact.

Also gay: aluminum bats, domes, turf, $200m payrolls, $20m payrolls, infield fly rule, 300' fences, the wildcard, the All-Star game 'counting' and the 'fake to 3rd throw to first' pick off move.

Pray 4 Mojo: infield fly rule

Obviously, you're an idiot...but do you seriously not understand WHY we have the infield fly rule?

neuroflare: One of the D-Backs pitchers totally pulled that off last year, the dude nearly halfway to second, but because it never works he didn't throw it and the guy got back to the bag.

Never works? I see it work at least a couple of times a season, just from watching one team. Your own D-Backs had Mike Fetters, who was famous for his ability to do that.

DeWayne Mann: Pray 4 Mojo: infield fly rule

Obviously, you're an idiot...but do you seriously not understand WHY we have the infield fly rule?

Ohhhh... is it that obvious? Sorry 'bout that. Yes... I understand. I was making a little joke at my expense about how I'm a grumpy old SOB about "new" baseball rules. I'll try harder next time.

That said... I DO have a way to completely resurrect baseball and bring it to the forefront of American sports. One simple rule change will increase attendance and viewer ship exponentially. It's quite simple:

The defense can throw the ball at a runner to "tag" him out.

I'd buy season tickets again for SURE.

jaylectricity: I got the joke, dude. Not sure why it wasn't obvious to DOOOOWAYNE.

Sorry, I don't speak moron.

And the other things have somewhat legitimate reasons for disliking them.

DeWayne Mann: jaylectricity: I got the joke, dude. Not sure why it wasn't obvious to DOOOOWAYNE.

Sorry, I don't speak moron.

And the other things have somewhat legitimate reasons for disliking them.

Awwww... how sweet. You guys are fighting over me. But I'm gay or anything. Not there's anything wrong with it.

Pray 4 Mojo: But I'm gay

Oh, so you're one of those self-hating types. Got it.

Ha ha!!! That was an awesome 'over deleted then failed to preview' boo boo.

Life is funny.

Pray 4 Mojo: Ha ha!!! That was an awesome 'over deleted then failed to preview' boo boo.

Life is funny.

Don't let them tell you any different! You're gay as you want to be and that's that!

Pray 4 Mojo: The DH is gay... that's just a fact.

Also gay: aluminum bats, domes, turf, $200m payrolls, $20m payrolls, infield fly rule, 300' fences, the wildcard, the All-Star game 'counting' and the 'fake to 3rd throw to first' pick off move.

You forgot $10 beers, the World Series in November, phantom double plays, pitchers working at such a slow pace you're not sure if Beckett is on the mound or Beckett wrote the play, and the Highlanders Yankees

Altering his girdle so he can bean subby upside his stupid head.

Pray 4 Mojo: The DH is gay... that's just a fact.

Also gay: aluminum bats, domes, turf, $200m payrolls, $20m payrolls, infield fly rule, 300' fences, the wildcard, the All-Star game 'counting' and the 'fake to 3rd throw to first' pick off move.

Your poorly thought out, hateful, uninformed, stupid thoughts are cute.

AliceBToklasLives: Pray 4 Mojo: The DH is gay... that's just a fact.

Also gay: aluminum bats, domes, turf, $200m payrolls, $20m payrolls, infield fly rule, 300' fences, the wildcard, the All-Star game 'counting' and the 'fake to 3rd throw to first' pick off move.

You forgot $10 beers, the World Series in November, phantom double plays, pitchers working at such a slow pace you're not sure if Beckett is on the mound or Beckett wrote the play, and the Highlanders Yankees

Correct. I did forget all of those things... as well as arriving in the 2nd inning and leaving in the 8th inning.

inclemency: Pray 4 Mojo: The DH is gay... that's just a fact.

Also gay: aluminum bats, domes, turf, $200m payrolls, $20m payrolls, infield fly rule, 300' fences, the wildcard, the All-Star game 'counting' and the 'fake to 3rd throw to first' pick off move.

Your poorly thought out, hateful, uninformed, stupid thoughts are cute.

How YOU doin'?

Pray 4 Mojo: The DH is gay... that's just a fact.

Also gay: aluminum bats, domes, turf, $200m payrolls, $20m payrolls, infield fly rule, 300' fences, the wildcard, the All-Star game 'counting' and the 'fake to 3rd throw to first' pick off move.

I'd add the "in the vicinity" at 2nd base when turning a double play where the defender doesn't actually have to touch the bag. And the changing strike zone on 3 - 0 or 0 -2 counts. And instant replay. And the All-Star Game determining home field advantage.

Pray 4 Mojo: AliceBToklasLives: Pray 4 Mojo: The DH is gay... that's just a fact.

Also gay: aluminum bats, domes, turf, $200m payrolls, $20m payrolls, infield fly rule, 300' fences, the wildcard, the All-Star game 'counting' and the 'fake to 3rd throw to first' pick off move.

You forgot $10 beers, the World Series in November, phantom double plays, pitchers working at such a slow pace you're not sure if Beckett is on the mound or Beckett wrote the play, and the Highlanders Yankees

Correct. I did forget all of those things... as well as arriving in the 2nd inning and leaving in the 8th inning.

yep - Dodger fans

/just kidding
//Dodger fans show up during the 4th, leave in the 16th

desertgeek: Here's the thing:
But in the NL, you know who the weak hitter is most of the time: the pitcher. So the other 8 players have to be able to hit to make up for that.

Here's the thing: the other 8 players don't have to be able to hit to make up for that, because pitchers bat for both teams. Therefore, each team has a (most-likely) weak-hitting pitcher in the lineup and scores fewer runs than it might otherwise. If winning the game required scoring, say, a minimum of 5 runs, your point would be valid. But since winning only requires scoring more than the other team, and each team has the same disadvantage/weakness, saying the other 8 batters have to be "stronger" than the top 8 batters in an AL lineup isn't really true.


/not saying one is better than the other...just sayin'

Pray 4 Mojo: inclemency: Pray 4 Mojo: The DH is gay... that's just a fact.

Also gay: aluminum bats, domes, turf, $200m payrolls, $20m payrolls, infield fly rule, 300' fences, the wildcard, the All-Star game 'counting' and the 'fake to 3rd throw to first' pick off move.

Your poorly thought out, hateful, uninformed, stupid thoughts are cute.

How YOU doin'?

well, I'm doing great... Except fir this idiot with horrible baseball opinions.

Loud_Mouth_Soup: Altering his girdle so he can bean subby upside his stupid head.


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He wouldn't have the balls to bean anyone if he had to stand in a batter's box.

If you wanna hit, you play the field.

Works for little league, works for the pros.

I don't care that a DH hits better than a pitcher. I don't care that a typical AL 9-hole hitter hits better than a pitcher.

I have less disdain for pitchers who don't hit (NL teams carry at least six of those, AL teams carry 11-12) and more for lazy old bags who fiddle-fart at the plate then head to the clubhouse for a 25-minute binge session before they're asked to do their job again.

/Reds win the Central

desertgeek: Here's the thing:

NL players have to be more complete players because of the pitcher hitting. AL teams can just hide a offensively weak/defensively strong player in their lineup and surround him with a DH and a bunch of other players. But in the NL, you know who the weak hitter is most of the time: the pitcher. So the other 8 players have to be able to hit to make up for that.

Also, if the NL pitcher beans someone in the 1st inning; he can't hide out on the bench like the AL pitcher can. He has to step into that batters box and face the music himself, if the other team wants to wait for that.

Anyway, why do you think Pujols and Fielder went to the AL? So that they could extend their careers as lazy DHs like Ortiz and Edgar Martinez did.

Sorry, I like my baseball players to not be lazy and to have some guts.

Fielder definitely has guts.

Oh come on. Uecker was a 200 hitter. He was better than many pitchers.
Of course, the only reason he was in the Majors for 6 years was because
he was the only catcher who could "try" to catch Phil Niekro's crazy pitches.

From his book, "Catcher in the wry" he admitted he couldn't catch 'em.
He just didn't let them go by him.

Funny book, funny man. Good baseball lore from a time gone by
(compared to today)

Him as Harry Doyle in Major league (look close during the movie: you will see the
scoreboard with WTMJ on it. Milwaukee tv station. Old County Stadium in Milwaukee (where it was filmed)

And, he was the old gray haired dad on Mr. Belvidere. And hosted the tonight show.

AND, he's STILL the Brewers broadcaster. Best radio voice around. Growing up in WI,
whatever you were doing, if the Brewers were on, there's Uke. Camping. Family events.
Tailgating in old County Stadium. Driving. On a radio ANYWHERE, he was there.

Best. Announcer. Evar.

And funny as hell. Funnier than Max McGee doing Packer games. Look up the comments he made
about being in the hotel in Philly/Pittsburg (cant remember which) during the "furry" convention.
Classic Uke.

Hope he comes to the A's spring training this year. I'm working there for Aramark.
Should be FUN!!

Last year here in L.A., Kershaw and Billingsley had a bet going on who could get more hits after growing tired of the NL wuss-out mentality. Personally, I think the DH rule is a joke. If you can't swing a bat, you shouldn't be playing baseball...

I'm talking about YOU, Sabathia! Watching you chase bunts is like watching a walrus walking on his tail flippers.

/YankeesSuck
/DiamonbacksSuck
/GiantsSuck
/DodgersRule