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(AZCentral)   While the pitchers in the American League are getting pedicures, eating bon-bons, and altering the size of their girdles, pitchers in the National League are already working on their hitting   (azcentral.com) divider line 105
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2012-02-25 09:39:13 AM  
If you can call a .179 batting average hitting.
 
2012-02-25 09:42:21 AM  
While the pitchers in the American League are getting pedicures, eating bon-bons, and altering the size of their girdles, pitchers in the National League are already working on their hitting striking out.

Fark the National League.
 
2012-02-25 09:51:36 AM  
The only thing easier than being an American League pitcher is being an American League manager.
 
2012-02-25 10:08:36 AM  
Good. They need the practice.
 
2012-02-25 10:09:58 AM  

larrycot: The only thing easier than being an American League pitcher is being able to pitch to light hitting 7 and 8 hitters and a pitcher four times a game in the National league.


ftfy
 
2012-02-25 10:10:24 AM  
Yeah I love watching a game where 11% of the batters are completely inept and considered free outs.
 
2012-02-25 11:05:17 AM  
ah, we haven't had a good ol' AL/NL Fark War in months

/likes that there are two leagues with different rules
//prefers the AL
 
2012-02-25 11:27:15 AM  
altering the size of their girdles

We want a pitcher not a girdle stitcher?

/Strike 1.
//Got nothing.
///Nothing but slashiiiiiiiies!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-02-25 11:59:43 AM  
If you can call bunting hitting.
 
2012-02-25 12:01:12 PM  
The AL is generally considered much more difficult to pitch in due to the DH rule but also because it's more of a breaking ball league which is tougher on your arm.

But yeah, I've never understood why NL pitchers don't devote more time to BP. Zambrano is one of the best hitting pitchers and an invaluable asset due to this. The Cubs would use him as a pinch hitter every once in a while and he'd hit a HR every so often to boot.
 
2012-02-25 12:08:07 PM  
There are some pitchers out there who know what they're doing with the bat. Carlos Zambrano comes to mind immediately. In Cincinnati, Mike Leake and Homer Bailey are competent at the plate. Dontrelle Willis has always been a solid hitter. Micah Owings of the Padres might be a better hitter than he is a pitcher; when he was with the Diamondbacks the first time, they considered using him at 1B to get his bat into the lineup on a daily basis. Yovani Gallardo and Daniel Hudson put up respectable numbers at the plate.

The American League reminds me of a weekend softball league compared to the National League.
 
2012-02-25 12:14:58 PM  

Jamdug!: The AL is generally considered much more difficult to pitch in due to the DH rule but also because it's more of a breaking ball league which is tougher on your arm.

But yeah, I've never understood why NL pitchers don't devote more time to BP. Zambrano is one of the best hitting pitchers and an invaluable asset due to this. The Cubs would use him as a pinch hitter every once in a while and he'd hit a HR every so often to boot.


He's not invaluable. He's not even valuable enough to make up for what a pain in the ass he is.
 
2012-02-25 12:30:16 PM  

CheddarPants: There are some pitchers out there who know what they're doing with the bat. Carlos Zambrano comes to mind immediately. In Cincinnati, Mike Leake and Homer Bailey are competent at the plate. Dontrelle Willis has always been a solid hitter. Micah Owings of the Padres might be a better hitter than he is a pitcher; when he was with the Diamondbacks the first time, they considered using him at 1B to get his bat into the lineup on a daily basis. Yovani Gallardo and Daniel Hudson put up respectable numbers at the plate.

The American League reminds me of a weekend softball league compared to the National League.


Yeah and Babe Ruth would have been one of the greatest pitchers of all time if he continued on the mound, but a few exceptions at either end of the curve do not change that big honkin' bulge in the middle: pitchers don't hit. They are fine athletes and a lot of them probably could hit if they spent the time in the minors and BP, but they are too busy practicing their job, pitching. That same concentration on their craft is why it is so hard to hit major league pitching and no part-timer needs to be consuming some of those 27 outs and boring me.
 
2012-02-25 12:35:37 PM  

The Bestest: ah, we haven't had a good ol' AL/NL Fark War in months


And I forgot to pick up popcorn today.
 
2012-02-25 12:37:20 PM  

larrycot: The only thing easier than being an American League pitcher is being an American League manager.


Because the double switch is the baseball equivalent of the Schlieffen plan.
 
2012-02-25 12:38:18 PM  

larrycot: The only thing easier than being an American League pitcher is being an American League manager.


Pitching in the American League is much harder. Not having to take three straight strikes a couple of times a game doesn't make it any easier.
 
2012-02-25 12:41:47 PM  

larrycot: The only thing easier than being an American League pitcher is being an American League manager.


Tony LaRussa says it's harder to manage pitchers in the American League.

But what the fark what he know about it, right?
 
2012-02-25 12:42:41 PM  

WTF Indeed: If you can call a .179 batting average hitting.


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2012-02-25 12:48:34 PM  

MFAWG: larrycot: The only thing easier than being an American League pitcher is being an American League manager.

Tony LaRussa says it's harder to manage pitchers in the American League.

But what the fark what he know about it, right?


Looking forward to a season of Cardinals baseball without that micromanaging son of a biatch.
 
2012-02-25 12:49:15 PM  
DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke:
no part-timer needs to be consuming some of those 27 outs

So you are against the DH, then? I mean, since none of those part-timers have to spend any time with fielding drills or reviewing film to learn defensive alignments, they must always be 1-14 at the top of all the batting categories, right?
 
2012-02-25 12:52:45 PM  

Mr. Potatoass: Looking forward to a season of Cardinals baseball without that micromanaging son of a biatch.


LOL yeah, sure you are. I bet you're also looking forward to a season without Pujols, right?
 
2012-02-25 12:55:11 PM  

larrycot: The only thing easier than being an American League pitcher is being an American League manager.


Because "pinch-hit for the pitcher" is a very tough decision. "Intentionally walk the #8 hitter with two outs and an open base in the third inning" is really hard to figure out.

There are more decisions to make in the NL, but for the most part they are push-button decisions. It is very rare that a situation comes up in the NL that wouldn't come up in the AL that actually challenges a manager.

And the decisions a manager makes are just as likely to hurt the team as help the team. The most important part of a manager's job is to keep his team in the right mindset for 162 games.
 
2012-02-25 12:56:25 PM  
Just felt the need to point out that Bobby V had the Red Sox pitchers taking BP on the second day of camp.
 
2012-02-25 12:56:55 PM  
the n.l. sucks

/just wanted to participate in the argument
 
2012-02-25 01:01:05 PM  
Hey Subbs,

30.media.tumblr.com

Not bon-bons
 
2012-02-25 01:07:38 PM  
Nothing better than seeing an embarrassing NL pitcher swinging like a girl. Well, maybe running the bases....with their jacket on.

/looking at you ghost of Sid Fernandez
 
2012-02-25 01:11:10 PM  
Hey, here's an aspect of managing that's tougher in the AL than the NL: getting the bench players semi-regular playing time.

In the NL, you can generally use one or two PHs a game without any issues. In fact, typically when you PH, the team gets better: you temporarily remove an extremely poor hitter for a better one, and then you swap out a tired pitcher for a fresh one.

But in the AL, in general, whenever you make any move like that, you're making the team worse somehow. Typically, your starters start for a reason. Even if you pinch hit for a poor batter (say, your SS), you're most likely going to end up with a worse defensive team (unless you're starting someone who is poor on both offense & defense for some reason). Not a big deal if you're in a blowout (either way), but how often can you count on that?

But if you only play your starters, and never bring your bench guys in at all, then when an injury occurs, you have to slot in a player who has done nothing but sit on the bench this season.

There's no good answer...unless you're in the NL.
 
2012-02-25 01:15:52 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: Jamdug!: The AL is generally considered much more difficult to pitch in due to the DH rule but also because it's more of a breaking ball league which is tougher on your arm.

But yeah, I've never understood why NL pitchers don't devote more time to BP. Zambrano is one of the best hitting pitchers and an invaluable asset due to this. The Cubs would use him as a pinch hitter every once in a while and he'd hit a HR every so often to boot.

He's not invaluable. He's not even valuable enough to make up for what a pain in the ass he is.


To clarify: invaluable when compared to other hitting pitchers. Having a guy who is not a quick out is very valuable in baseball.
 
2012-02-25 01:17:09 PM  

CheddarPants: There are some pitchers out there who know what they're doing with the bat. Carlos Zambrano comes to mind immediately. In Cincinnati, Mike Leake and Homer Bailey are competent at the plate. Dontrelle Willis has always been a solid hitter. Micah Owings of the Padres might be a better hitter than he is a pitcher; when he was with the Diamondbacks the first time, they considered using him at 1B to get his bat into the lineup on a daily basis. Yovani Gallardo and Daniel Hudson put up respectable numbers at the plate.

The American League reminds me of a weekend softball league compared to the National League.



This guy (new window) supposedly never struck out as a hitting pitcher.
 
2012-02-25 01:19:38 PM  
World series - Tigers vs Phillies
 
2012-02-25 01:21:04 PM  
Professional Baseball = SH*T.
 
2012-02-25 01:23:43 PM  

9beers: Mr. Potatoass: Looking forward to a season of Cardinals baseball without that micromanaging son of a biatch.

LOL yeah, sure you are. I bet you're also looking forward to a season without Pujols, right?


Actually, I am. Would love to see how the lineup gets treated without the presence of #5. Also would love to see the drop in inning-ending double plays too. Will miss the power when he turns it on, but it's not like the Cards are baseball's Cavs when their superstar leaves. They still have plenty of talent to make some noise. Don't know if it'll be enough.
 
2012-02-25 01:34:44 PM  
The DH doesn't even serve the purpose it was meant to solve 30+ years ago. It was meant to even out the leagues since the NL was so dominant at the time. Now it give the AL a measurable advantage.

/Cardinals fan
//Likes aspects of both leagues
///prefers NL
 
2012-02-25 01:40:10 PM  
Here's the thing:

NL players have to be more complete players because of the pitcher hitting. AL teams can just hide a offensively weak/defensively strong player in their lineup and surround him with a DH and a bunch of other players. But in the NL, you know who the weak hitter is most of the time: the pitcher. So the other 8 players have to be able to hit to make up for that.

Also, if the NL pitcher beans someone in the 1st inning; he can't hide out on the bench like the AL pitcher can. He has to step into that batters box and face the music himself, if the other team wants to wait for that.

Anyway, why do you think Pujols and Fielder went to the AL? So that they could extend their careers as lazy DHs like Ortiz and Edgar Martinez did.

Sorry, I like my baseball players to not be lazy and to have some guts.
 
2012-02-25 01:41:12 PM  
God, it's nice to see baseball coming back and the NL apologists have returned. Happy spring training all and hopefully the retro-league will have it's exemption from modern baseball rules removed soon.
 
2012-02-25 01:53:10 PM  

jdjoker: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke:
no part-timer needs to be consuming some of those 27 outs

So you are against the DH, then? I mean, since none of those part-timers have to spend any time with fielding drills or reviewing film to learn defensive alignments, they must always be 1-14 at the top of all the batting categories, right?


Full time hitter vs. part time hitter/full time pitcher: What do the numbers say?
 
2012-02-25 02:00:46 PM  
It's gotten to the point where I almost don't care about the DH, but for the love of Tebow, make the rule apply consistently across both leagues!
 
2012-02-25 02:08:03 PM  
I thought I was going to miss the DH when Milwaukee moved to the NL but now I see making the pitchers hit and forcing managers to decide when to use their pinch hitters makes the game much more interesting. Oh and there is this guy:
t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-02-25 02:11:10 PM  

UNC_Samurai: It's gotten to the point where I almost don't care about the DH, but for the love of Tebow, make the rule apply consistently across both leagues!


I absolutely disagree.
 
2012-02-25 02:16:36 PM  
baseball should go full DH and have offenses and defenses the way football does

there should be a much broader pool of talent then and games would be more competitive both because the wider pool would make marginal talent differences smaller and the larger teams would make buying every good player harder.
it would also allow the best hitters and fielders to play regardless of their skills in the opposite part of the game
 
2012-02-25 02:20:54 PM  

9beers: Mr. Potatoass: Looking forward to a season of Cardinals baseball without that micromanaging son of a biatch.

LOL yeah, sure you are. I bet you're also looking forward to a season without Pujols, right?


You bet your ass I am.
We'll be fine without him.
 
2012-02-25 02:24:57 PM  
Who actually likes watching pitchers hit? Aside from a select few like Zambrano (who can barely be called a pitcher these days), it's usually like watching an autistic trying to catch fireflies with a club when those guys step into the box. I think it's more physically challenging to pitch to a lineup with nine professional hitters in it than it is put on your derp face once every few innings.
 
2012-02-25 02:28:14 PM  

AnEvilGuest: baseball should go full DH and have offenses and defenses the way football does

there should be a much broader pool of talent then and games would be more competitive both because the wider pool would make marginal talent differences smaller and the larger teams would make buying every good player harder.
it would also allow the best hitters and fielders to play regardless of their skills in the opposite part of the game


NO
 
2012-02-25 02:32:24 PM  

satanorsanta: AnEvilGuest: baseball should go full DH and have offenses and defenses the way football does

there should be a much broader pool of talent then and games would be more competitive both because the wider pool would make marginal talent differences smaller and the larger teams would make buying every good player harder.
it would also allow the best hitters and fielders to play regardless of their skills in the opposite part of the game

NO


I see that you are intrigued by the idea
 
2012-02-25 02:36:49 PM  

AnEvilGuest: baseball should go full DH and have offenses and defenses the way football does

there should be a much broader pool of talent then and games would be more competitive both because the wider pool would make marginal talent differences smaller and the larger teams would make buying every good player harder.
it would also allow the best hitters and fielders to play regardless of their skills in the opposite part of the game


That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. There isn't enough decent talent in the world to even make that a remote possibility.
 
2012-02-25 02:46:53 PM  

Cagey B: Who actually likes watching pitchers hit? Aside from a select few like Zambrano (who can barely be called a pitcher these days), it's usually like watching an autistic trying to catch fireflies with a club when those guys step into the box. I think it's more physically challenging to pitch to a lineup with nine professional hitters in it than it is put on your derp face once every few innings.


C.C. Was actually a decent hitter in Milwaukee.
 
2012-02-25 02:47:39 PM  

Cagey B: Who actually likes watching pitchers hit? Aside from a select few like Zambrano (who can barely be called a pitcher these days), it's usually like watching an autistic trying to catch fireflies with a club when those guys step into the box. I think it's more physically challenging to pitch to a lineup with nine professional hitters in it than it is put on your derp face once every few innings.


not sure what snooze-fest baseball games you watch, but I find it thrilling to watch a NL teams #1 pitcher either strike out while looking, or when he mistakenly makes contact with the ball, slowly jog to first base in fear of pulling a muscle
 
2012-02-25 03:01:04 PM  

Larry Mahnken: Because "pinch-hit for the pitcher" is a very tough decision. "Intentionally walk the #8 hitter with two outs and an open base in the third inning" is really hard to figure out.


You can't walk the #8 hitter in the third with two outs. Even if the pitcher is working a no-hitter, the #8 hitter would be going up to bat with only one out.
 
2012-02-25 03:01:09 PM  
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet.
 
2012-02-25 03:03:11 PM  
Kerry Wood was a decent hitting pitcher when he was receiving actual ABs when starting. Now that he works out of the bullpen, he doesn't get much of an opportunity to do so anymore.
 
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