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(Mother Nature Network)   New study says those who have never smoked marijuana or have quit smoking marijuana are more of a slave to their jobs   (mnn.com) divider line 124
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2012-02-25 02:00:20 AM  
The author of the study said it can't prove whether that's due to the drug's effects, the social environment in which it's used or whether pot smokers are just more likely to be laid-back from the get-go.

.....or something else entirely. You have no farking clue. It's 2012 and we're still getting daily articles implying correlation equals causation? I mean come on
 
2012-02-25 06:19:29 AM  

SnakeLee: The author of the study said it can't prove whether that's due to the drug's effects, the social environment in which it's used or whether pot smokers are just more likely to be laid-back from the get-go.

.....or something else entirely. You have no farking clue. It's 2012 and we're still getting daily articles implying correlation equals causation? I mean come on


But, War on drugs!
TFA was a gurgling crock of sh*t. The worst people to work with are the ones that are hungover or on a variety of meds.
 
2012-02-25 09:22:48 AM  
If not for the risk of jail and losing my job I would still partake in the devil's weed.
 
2012-02-25 09:31:21 AM  

Krymson Tyde: If not for the risk of jail and losing my job I would still partake in the devil's weed.


Same here. If every state in the union and every country on Earth legalized marijuana, Texas would still keep it illegal. That's one of the few things I hate about living here(other than summertime and the invading hordes of Yankee transplants).
 
2012-02-25 09:41:44 AM  
Free your mind, man.
 
2012-02-25 09:58:23 AM  
As far as I can tell, most jobs in America these days, you need to be high to go.
 
2012-02-25 11:02:36 AM  
www.firetown.com
 
2012-02-25 11:05:27 AM  
Kinda hard to be a slave to something that you don't have, isn't it?

/ I'm joking, I'm joking. Lower your arrows
 
2012-02-25 11:29:40 AM  
Don't let the man keep you down.
 
2012-02-25 11:39:27 AM  
Now you know why they have drug tests.

/back to work, plebes
 
2012-02-25 11:53:22 AM  

basemetal: Now you know why they have drug tests.

/back to work, plebes


And why you have to save up urine from when you were clean.

/carry at ALL TIMES!
 
2012-02-25 11:53:48 AM  
Dave's not here, man. He called in sick.
 
2012-02-25 11:54:12 AM  

basemetal: Now you know why they have drug tests.

/back to work, plebes


Now you know why I make good friends with the assholes in HR. They always give you a heads-up on when the next UA will be.
 
2012-02-25 11:54:23 AM  
Someone studied that?
 
2012-02-25 11:55:42 AM  
Should be interesting when Washington and Colorado vote on whether to legalize it in nov
 
2012-02-25 11:56:42 AM  
Uh well I used to work in some kind of industry so I am getting a kick out of these replies, but uh, I forgot what I was going to say.

Obligatory?
 
Ehh
2012-02-25 11:58:50 AM  
Those states that voted for "medical" marijuana also voted for gay marriage. Clearly, gay marriage causes marijuana smoking.
 
2012-02-25 11:58:50 AM  
*Thinks back to college jobs.

Maybe weed made me a shiaty employee.....

Actually no.

What made me a bad employee was the realization in highschool that working your ass off trying to do a good job as an unskilled worker gets you jack-all. Thats why I went to college.

/honors student that got high all the time.
 
2012-02-25 11:58:56 AM  

alwaysjaded: Kinda hard to be a slave to something that you don't have, isn't it?

/ I'm joking, I'm joking. Lower your arrows


Whew. Almost bit on that one.

/I'm always amazed at the wide range of people in this country who partake...knows no bounds.
 
2012-02-25 12:00:57 PM  
I would like to see similar work done for other drugs. I'm quite certain meth addicts will have the opposite problem.

May I respectfully suggest that work life in the United States is overrated, anyway?
 
2012-02-25 12:02:08 PM  
Too bad this bullshiat will be repeated to all the higher ups and middle management. It will then become gospel for the foreseeable future.

But really the reason smoking the cannabis is tested for is because of insurance companies searching for any and all ways not to pay out. Weed metabolites stay in your system for a LONG TIME if you didn't know.
 
2012-02-25 12:04:07 PM  
Marijuana increases your awareness of bullshiat and likewise reduces your tolerance for it. No surprise that people who smoke pot the most often are averse to the #1 source of bullshiat in the world.
 
2012-02-25 12:04:19 PM  
Workers of the world light up- you have nothing to lose but your chains.
 
2012-02-25 12:04:38 PM  

Backwards Cornfield Races: Should be interesting when Washington and Colorado vote on whether to legalize it in nov


If there is only one issue I vote on this year, it is this.
 
2012-02-25 12:06:23 PM  
Not worrying about your stupid job is yet another good reason to smoke pot.

/reminds me I need to wake & bake
 
2012-02-25 12:12:19 PM  
http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/spiderdrugs.htm
 
2012-02-25 12:18:22 PM  
Blanket drug testing of employees for something as unremarkable as pot for jobs that don't involve shuttling large groups of humans around or operating heavy machinery and the like is pure weapons grade bullshiat. It's an over-reach that needs to be beaten back. If an employee suspects an employer has an issue with substance abuse and it's affecting performance significantly then sure but this 'everybody line up and pee into a cup' thing is dehumanizing, degrading, indefensible and I'm surprised it's gotten as far as it has.

/Disclaimer: I'mma prolly the biggest pothead Fark has ever known.
 
2012-02-25 12:22:03 PM  

FatalDischarge: If there is only one issue I vote on this year, it is this


but but, gays might get married and muslims might do muslim stuff !!
 
2012-02-25 12:23:27 PM  
So, people who don't openly admit to smoking care more about their jobs. Almost as if those same people have jobs worth worrying about. I have the utmost respect for the law, just like I have the utmost respect for digital copyrights.

/Wink wink
 
2012-02-25 12:25:53 PM  

SnakeLee: The author of the study said it can't prove whether that's due to the drug's effects, the social environment in which it's used or whether pot smokers are just more likely to be laid-back from the get-go.

.....or something else entirely. You have no farking clue. It's 2012 and we're still getting daily articles implying correlation equals causation? I mean come on


I've noted that Mother Nature Network articles are about as professionally scientific as National Geographic is professionally anthropological.

Which is really to say 'not at all'.
 
2012-02-25 12:27:21 PM  
THE REEFER WILL RUIN EVERYTHING!

laist.com
 
2012-02-25 12:27:25 PM  

quatchi: Blanket drug testing of employees for something as unremarkable as pot for jobs that don't involve shuttling large groups of humans around or operating heavy machinery and the like is pure weapons grade bullshiat. It's an over-reach that needs to be beaten back. If an employee suspects an employer has an issue with substance abuse and it's affecting performance significantly then sure but this 'everybody line up and pee into a cup' thing is dehumanizing, degrading, indefensible and I'm surprised it's gotten as far as it has.
/Disclaimer: I'mma prolly the biggest pothead Fark has ever known.


All of that. I don't apply for jobs that random drug test. Everybody knows that "drug" only means pot. My farking pee is personal. I have the same reaction to drug testing as if you asked me if you could look at my bowel movements, to see if I had a healthy diet, and thus would be a productive employee.

Employers are already looking for Facebook pages, checking our credit, doing psych evals, and asking demeaning, insulting questions to weed out anybody they have some kind of pre-conceived notions about. Now you want to invade my bodily functions too? Fark off.

If your job sucks so badly that all the employees are stoned, maybe you ought to do something about your working conditions.

/Might do a pre-employment drug test if it was the greatest job ever.
 
2012-02-25 12:27:33 PM  
yeah, pot heads are slackers.

this is Ric Romero news.
 
2012-02-25 12:28:51 PM  

SnakeLee: The author of the study said it can't prove whether that's due to the drug's effects, the social environment in which it's used or whether pot smokers are just more likely to be laid-back from the get-go.


absolutely not on the final possibility.

Weed makes everything enjoyable, plus it cures cancer (slowed sense of time, giving jass musicians more freedom between bars... on musical tablatures -->). Uncle sam can't have that open on the free market, big pharma would loose (o.O) a bundle and no stuffing prisons with minorities to replace outlawed slave labor with prison labor the economy runs on along with black market money, ruling the economy, kept the housing market afloat during crash when banks ate each other (one of my ccs was bought out by another -- CHASE) tinyurl.com/1mn etc

Anybody with 2 brain cells to rub together would realize in an economic situation to dump ELEVENTEEN BAZILLION dollars into it would vastly dilute the system making that already in existence that much less valuable...... but it's just play money anyway, that the bankers gamble with against each other on... *survey says* WALL STREET
 
2012-02-25 12:31:32 PM  

The Shatner Incident: basemetal: Now you know why they have drug tests.

/back to work, plebes

Now you know why I make good friends with the assholes in HR. They always give you a heads-up on when the next UA will be.


I never really understood this. Unless you're an engineer working in defense or something I couldn't imagine submitting a drug test to an employer.

I mean know collecting a paycheck for a paycheck but I would at the very least be sending out resumes weekly/monthly regardless if I did or did not smoke.

I can't think of a more sure-fire way to insure your workforce is teetering on the edge of collapse. For example, if an economic recovery came and you immediately lost 40% or more of your top talent.
 
2012-02-25 12:31:52 PM  
The only people who are prevented from jobs are low-end manual labor jobs, stocking retail stores, cashiering, etc. educated people aren't threatened by drug testing because their employers don't hire them for what they do on their time off, they hire and pay big bucks for real-world capability. People workin' IT for global corporations don't get drug tested, they're also salaried 60 hours/week pullin' in 6 digits a year, 'tele-commuting' some days (when they walk 3 blocks to work in the goddamn skyscraper others).
 
2012-02-25 12:35:42 PM  
It's totally true because I know at least a dozen people that used to have jobs until their company found out about the marijuana.

Urban.derelict: Machinist can make $60k-$100k a year. We drug test because it's dangerous enough work already.
 
2012-02-25 12:45:02 PM  

urban.derelict: absolutely not on the final possibility.


Because mind-altering drugs absolutely affect everyone in absolutely the same ways. Nevermind that long John Moschita-esque list of possible side effects and other unique medical exceptions following the sell portion of just about any mood-altering pharmaceutical, it's just there to sell you micro-machines.

Also nevermind your doctor who constantly has to balance and re-balance those substances to keep you on a moderately even keel. This brain chemistry shiat is absolutely a precise science.

/winkwinknudgenudge

urban.derelict: Anybody with 2 brain cells to rub together would realize


...that the only way Uncle Sam is ever going to legalize this shiat is if he gets a rather obscene dose of his drug of choice (that'd be tax revenue) from the food/drug industry to "suffer the indignity" of it.

Because what I really need is Uncle Sam involved conspiratorially with the growers of said shiat to keep people "more relaxed and enjoying everything a lot more" while he siphons off our wallets like a fat tick on a sedated pig.

You'd think with all this predilection towards convoluted conspiracy theories about this shiat you'd have examined the actual situation we have currently with cigarettes a lot more carefully than you have...

Ah well. Those two brain cells you've got to rub together are probably "enjoying life" too much to think about it in anyhting resembling depth, I imagine.
 
2012-02-25 12:47:13 PM  

quatchi: Blanket drug testing of employees for something as unremarkable as pot for jobs that don't involve shuttling large groups of humans around or operating heavy machinery and the like is pure weapons grade bullshiat. It's an over-reach that needs to be beaten back. If an employee suspects an employer has an issue with substance abuse and it's affecting performance significantly then sure but this 'everybody line up and pee into a cup' thing is dehumanizing, degrading, indefensible and I'm surprised it's gotten as far as it has.

/Disclaimer: I'mma prolly the biggest pothead Fark has ever known.


I currently work in the vaccine development for a major pharmaceutical company, do you want me to be high at work? NTTAWT, and I didn't read TFA, but short of cancer patients and AIDS victims, grow up and get a good job.
/doesn't agree with it either, but sometimes it has its purpose...
 
2012-02-25 12:49:03 PM  
hippa
 
2012-02-25 12:50:08 PM  

The DBS: Urban.derelict: Machinist can make $60k-$100k a year. We drug test because it's dangerous enough work already.


I'm more worried about fork lift drivers being stoned. It's one thing if you get high and hurt yourself, but if you get high and hurt somebody else....

I heard there was a fork lift accident in Ohio early this week. Fractured skull, broken ribs, broken leg. I have no idea what the circumstances were, or if either person was high, but man, not a good way to start the week.
 
2012-02-25 12:50:45 PM  
HINT: WEED IS A PLACEBO. IT IS LIKE SIMPLY THE POPPING OF YOUR LIPS LIKE WHEN U SMOKE A PIPE.
 
2012-02-25 12:57:41 PM  

basemetal: Now you know why they have drug tests.

/back to work, plebes


No, they have drug tests because America is an authoritarian society, like the Middle East but with Christianity. No other country does this demeaning stuff to employees, and they don't have productivity issues.
 
2012-02-25 12:58:39 PM  
I have nothing against weed. My fiance smokes it and I probably would if it wasn't against the rules of my job who do random testing quarterly.

However, I want to firmly say to ya'll:

C'MON! REALLY? You don't think smoking mary to the jay doesn't affect your work at least a little?

C'MON!

I have worked with many MANY pot heads, and again my fiance smokes. I can see very easily that it makes them work less. This is first hand experience too. I USED to smoke and I can tell you that I did NOT work nearly as hard. NOW, this might have a little more to do with my own development and maturity, but I'm firmly on the side that it does affect work.

I'm not defending alcohol or any other drug that MAY ALSO affect work, I'm just sayin... C'MON YA'LL, really?

/I love you guys, take it easy on me
/but really, C'MON!
 
2012-02-25 01:00:31 PM  

SnakeLee: The author of the study said it can't prove whether that's due to the drug's effects, the social environment in which it's used or whether pot smokers are just more likely to be laid-back from the get-go.

.....or something else entirely. You have no farking clue. It's 2012 and we're still getting daily articles implying correlation equals causation? I mean come on


And, we are DONE IN ONE! Bravo old man. I love it when the researcher torpedos his own study in the second paragraphy.
 
2012-02-25 01:00:31 PM  
To see how well that perception held up, he analyzed data from a 25-year-long study of close to 1,500 Norwegians. Starting in 1987, when they were in their late teens and early 20s, participants filled out surveys that included questions on their recent pot use on five different occasions, into their 40s.


why Norway? why not use data from the United States or the UK?
 
2012-02-25 01:02:45 PM  
Mrs P once got fired from a child care job for a positive weed pee test ... she was the only one of the staff not regularly doing hard drugs like heroin or coke, but those don't show up in pee tests after more than a day or two.

The right-wing authoritarians don't like people relaxing in ways they don't. In their view, everyone needs to be a white, repressed Baptist and drive a gas guzzling SUV, just like them.

/ Anslinger was an idiot
 
2012-02-25 01:04:05 PM  
So.... non-burnouts are better at their jobs?

You don't say.
 
2012-02-25 01:04:20 PM  

PacManDreaming: Krymson Tyde: If not for the risk of jail and losing my job I would still partake in the devil's weed.

Same here. If every state in the union and every country on Earth legalized marijuana, Texas would still keep it illegal. That's one of the few things I hate about living here(other than summertime and the invading hordes of Yankee transplants).


thanks for tipping the stupid scale
 
2012-02-25 01:04:29 PM  

The DBS: It's totally true because I know at least a dozen people that used to have jobs until their company found out about the marijuana.

Urban.derelict: Machinist can make $60k-$100k a year. We drug test because it's dangerous enough work already.


With all due respect...bullshiat. Your company tests because it can. Unless it's doing daily pre-shift alcohol breathalyzer testing to ensure people aren't showing up drunk to work on potentially dangerous machines, claiming to do pot testing 'for safety reasons' is utter and contemptible bullshiat.

/machining/prototyping shop owner
 
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