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2012-02-26 05:01:16 PM
missing: 311, Primus, Tool, The Orb, FSOL, RHCP, STP
 
2012-02-26 05:01:21 PM
Illmatic blows anything Jay-Z did out of the water, most critics would actually agree with me. I may hate Jigga but I never said Reasonable shouldn't be on a top 90 list or anything but I personally think it's not all that special.

Again, are you saying Cuban Linx isn't a classic? I personally like Liquid Swords more, and Iron Man and Tical are up there with it. They are ALL classics. I'm not talking about Immobilarity here, I'm talking about Cuban freakin Linx.

Regarding the influence, to guys like Raekwon, they would call it "biting" and that is what Jay did. Still a good CD, but I'm not sure how it could be put ahead of the albums that inspired him. Jay-Z isn't a gangsta and had no reason to be doing mafiosa rap, but his fake ass did it anyway.

Finally, the only reason I brought up mainstream rap fans is because they are the only ones who think he is THE BEST EVER. Just like the clowns who say Lil Wayne is the best rapper alive. There's ain't no best but if there was, he wouldn't even be top 5.

/your profile says you like Nas but somehow I doubt that is very true, calling him overrated and downplaying Illmatic. No one down plays Illmatic.
 
2012-02-26 05:07:03 PM
Late to the party but still must be said. Filter Title of record is a great album. Also this artist's taste in music seems to be retroactively what is considered good today.
 
2012-02-26 05:09:05 PM
Add me into the anti-Jay Z pro-Nas and Wu crowd
 
2012-02-26 05:14:56 PM

TheJoe03: Illmatic blows anything Jay-Z did out of the water, most critics would actually agree with me. I may hate Jigga but I never said Reasonable shouldn't be on a top 90 list or anything but I personally think it's not all that special.


I like Illmatic, but I don't regard it as highly as everyone else does, I can think of a solid dozen better rap albums, including both of Jay-Z's best offerings. The fact that other than illmatic he had one decent album is why he is overrated. Incidentally the critics aren't going to agree that Illmatic "blows anything Jay-Z did out of the water" since Reasonable Doubt is pretty much a staple on any top 10 album site.. (not that music critics mean a damn thing).

Again, are you saying Cuban Linx isn't a classic? I personally like Liquid Swords more, and Iron Man and Tical are up there with it. They are ALL classics. I'm not talking about Immobilarity here, I'm talking about Cuban freakin Linx.

I certainly don't put it above either Reasonable Doubt or even Illmatic, but sure its a good album from the good old days of rap and was influential on other things. But if you were going to call it out there were better wu tang side projects.

Regarding the influence, to guys like Raekwon, they would call it "biting" and that is what Jay did.

Why should I give a flying rats ass what Raekwon would call it when I am determining what I derive entertainment about? Raekwon had influences as well which weren't necessarily superior to his product because they came first.

Still a good CD, but I'm not sure how it could be put ahead of the albums that inspired him.

This is strange logic. So something that inspires someone has to always be better? So pretty much the first song ever written was the best song ever and everything inspired from it and inspired from it's sucessors has just gotten worse and worse?


Jay-Z isn't a gangsta and had no reason to be doing mafiosa rap, but his fake ass did it anyway.

As above, I don't really give a flying rat about authenticity nor do I give a flying rats ass about these assclowns as people. They are pretty much all five star douchebags. I listen to music as entertainment, not because I care about the people doing it.

Finally, the only reason I brought up mainstream rap fans is because they are the only ones who think he is THE BEST EVER. Just like the clowns who say Lil Wayne is the best rapper alive. There's ain't no best but if there was, he wouldn't even be top 5.

And Nas wouldn't even be in the top 20.. 1 hot album doesn't make you the best.

/your profile says you like Nas but somehow I doubt that is very true, calling him overrated and downplaying Illmatic. No one down plays Illmatic.

I haven't updated that list in forever, I listen to Illmatic and Stillmatic now and again, but he is still overrated as hell.
 
2012-02-26 05:15:38 PM
Decided to play Cuban Linx right now, and Nas' verse on 'Verbal Intercourse' is probably better than any verse Jay Z has spit in his life. Just sayin.
 
2012-02-26 05:21:08 PM
To each their own, plenty of people think DJ Screw is the best thing to happen to music too...
 
2012-02-26 05:25:28 PM
Meh, this argument will never be settled, but yeah Raekwon and all them felt Jay Z was ripping them off (pretty sure Ghost and Rae thought the same about Biggie). I also have never heard any critic or seen any top ten list put Reasonable Doubt over Illmatic, not once.

Also, yeah, the true pioneers of a sound get more credit to me since they actually changed the music and led people like Jay Z to take that style and become successful. I'd say Jay Z might have had the better album despite all this if he was actually a better lyricist than the best guys in the WU and Nas.

I also put stock in authenticity, fake rappers aren't something I like to hear, it has pretty much lead to the current state of rap where even Drake acts like he's hard. Hip-hop music began as authentic music for the streets, but whatever.

Nas ain't top 20? I'm sorry but he has better lyrics and better flow than Jay Z, he is a better rapper than him. Damn dude, you really don't like Nas to be saying that kind of stuff. I guess this all opinions and all that but fark JAY Z! Ha.
 
2012-02-26 05:25:49 PM
Incidentally there is at least one more overrated rapper than Nas: Rakim...
 
2012-02-26 05:27:33 PM

TheJoe03: I'm sorry but he has better lyrics and better flow than Jay Z, he is a better rapper than him.


In an alternate universe where he actually had better lyrics and better flow than Jay Z he might be a better rapper...
 
2012-02-26 05:28:10 PM

lilplatinum: To each their own, plenty of people think DJ Screw is the best thing to happen to music too...


Well he is the king of the Texas rap scene, no question, even Bun B and Scarface would say that. Hip-hop overall, well he had a real impact, but I wouldn't go overboard on that.
 
2012-02-26 05:29:38 PM

lilplatinum: Incidentally there is at least one more overrated rapper than Nas: Rakim...


Oh boy, now I'm done. Jay Z better than Rakim? I almost feel sick with that one. I'm jumping out of this convo before you shiat all over KRS-One or Chuck D.
 
2012-02-26 05:33:53 PM

TheJoe03: lilplatinum: To each their own, plenty of people think DJ Screw is the best thing to happen to music too...

Well he is the king of the Texas rap scene, no question, even Bun B and Scarface would say that. Hip-hop overall, well he had a real impact, but I wouldn't go overboard on that.


The Texas rap scene should be scourged from the farking earth. Growing up in Houston and having to hear shiat like Youngstar's mumbling nonsense was enough exposure to that.

TheJoe03: Oh boy, now I'm done. Jay Z better than Rakim?


Yeah, rapping about the nation of islam is awesome.

I almost feel sick with that one. I'm jumping out of this convo before you shiat all over KRS-One or Chuck D.

They had their roles in developing hip hop but its not stuff that is particularly great to listen to these days - aged poorly and there is tons better out there.
 
2012-02-26 05:34:46 PM
No Use Your Illusion 1 & 2???

List Fails.
 
2012-02-26 05:34:55 PM
All in all the "Golden age hip hop" was shiat. Rap didn't get good until the mid 90s.
 
2012-02-26 06:05:42 PM

sprgrss: list fails without this:

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I was kind of surprised as well. I'd definitely pull one of the Uncle Tupelo albums for Whiskeytown's Stranger's Almanac.

/I'd also go for Satellite Rides instead of Fight Songs for the 97's.
 
2012-02-26 06:21:00 PM

lilplatinum: The Texas rap scene should be scourged from the farking earth. Growing up in Houston and having to hear shiat like Youngstar's mumbling nonsense was enough exposure to that.


A lot of it sucks but Houston in particular had some great hip-hop guys. I grew up in Dallas so I heard more than enough Texas and south rap but I for sure found some great artists even though I thought NYC still has a better resume and the west coast and midwest are probably better overall as well.

lilplatinum: Yeah, rapping about the nation of islam is awesome.


Religion ain't my thing at all but it is funny how many great rappers have ties to some form of Islam black power or regular. At least those guys tried to give us more lyrical stuff than some of the other guys. Hell, it beats that devil horrorcore shiat (even that has some good artists).

lilplatinum: They had their roles in developing hip hop but its not stuff that is particularly great to listen to these days - aged poorly and there is tons better out there.


They had MASSIVE roles though, they elevated the game, they built the genre since they came up in the 80s. You might be right that some of the Boogie Down Productions, NWA, Public Enemy, Slick Rick, and Eric B and Rakim records sound dated but they still have great songs and they all were firsts in their own ways. It might be dated but how is it overrated? Most of the "tons better" guys were the guys that owe their style almost directly from those guys, especially the legendary 90s rappers.
 
2012-02-26 06:25:52 PM

TheJoe03:
A lot of it sucks but Houston in particular had some great hip-hop guys. I grew up in Dallas so I heard more than enough Texas and south rap but I for sure found some great artists even though I thought NYC still has a better resume and the west coast and midwest are probably better overall as well.


Yeah, South Park Mexican, Lil Flip, Youngstar, Mista Madd, Lil Keke... truly a barrage of talent from the third coast..

Religion ain't my thing at all but it is funny how many great rappers have ties to some form of Islam black power or regular. At least those guys tried to give us more lyrical stuff than some of the other guys. Hell, it beats that devil horrorcore shiat (even that has some good artists).

The NOI/Afrocentrism of the 80s hip hop is probably why it doesn't appeal to my cracker ass. I suppose I don't have much in common with anything from the mid 90s either but at least it is entertaining.


They had MASSIVE roles though, they elevated the game, they built the genre since they came up in the 80s. You might be right that some of the Boogie Down Productions, NWA, Public Enemy, Slick Rick, and Eric B and Rakim records sound dated but they still have great songs and they all were firsts in their own ways. It might be dated but how is it overrated? Most of the "tons better" guys were the guys that owe their style almost directly from those guys, especially the legendary 90s rappers.

But we come back to it, their importance in the evolution or what modern artists owe them makes them relevant but it doesn't make them objectively good now. It doesn't matter who owes their style to whom, it matters what is enjoyable to listen to.

Modern automobiles owe a lot to the model T, it doesn't mean I would want to drive one.

As to how it is overrated, if music is rated above other music not on if it is listenable today but because of genre significance than it is overrated.
 
2012-02-26 06:47:07 PM

csi_yellowknife: And yes, that almost no one knows who Mark Heard was is certainly a crime: When your post-mortem tribute album inculdes friends like Bruce Cockburn, Tonio K, Oliva Newton-John and a guy from DC Talk, you've had some wide influence.


that was, quite literally, the first CD I ever bought. Not first album (that was Rolling Stones Steel Wheels on cassette), but the first CD.
I bought it for Chagall Guevara, since I was a big fan of them at the time.
 
2012-02-26 06:49:56 PM

lilplatinum: Yeah, South Park Mexican, Lil Flip, Youngstar, Mista Madd, Lil Keke... truly a barrage of talent from the third coast..


Meh, I kind of like SPM, and I love UGK and the Geto Boys. You're right though, there hasn't been that many great acts from Houston but I like the vibe of a lot of the songs. Call it nostalgia I guess.

lilplatinum: The NOI/Afrocentrism of the 80s hip hop is probably why it doesn't appeal to my cracker ass. I suppose I don't have much in common with anything from the mid 90s either but at least it is entertaining.


Fair enough, but I must say that Wu-Tang was Afrocentric and 5%er and they are the epitome of entertaining to me and it seems you like them too. A bunch of mid 90s guys were affiliated with 5%ers and NOI, even Andre freakin Nickatina from the Bay Area.

lilplatinum: But we come back to it, their importance in the evolution or what modern artists owe them makes them relevant but it doesn't make them objectively good now. It doesn't matter who owes their style to whom, it matters what is enjoyable to listen to.

Modern automobiles owe a lot to the model T, it doesn't mean I would want to drive one.

As to how it is overrated, if music is rated above other music not on if it is listenable today but because of genre significance than it is overrated.


Well the thing is a lot of the guys had better lyrics and have more "entertaining" music than a lot of the dudes these days or any era. Rakim and KRS have better lyrics and NWA and Public Enemy have more entertainment value. I think a select few do hold up to me and most are better than what they play on the local "urban" station. A lot of the beats don't hold up at all, but I still like Dre and Yella's beats and Scott La Rock's beats.

All in all, we are arguing largely from the same side since we both like good hip-hop music. I might hate Jay Z but he isn't a bad rapper at all and did contribute to hip-hop (mostly the commercial/business side).
 
2012-02-26 06:57:03 PM
Parrish Smith is the greatest rapper of all time.
 
2012-02-26 07:42:07 PM
Never heard of 9,8,4,2.

Not just the albums, the bands.

50 years old. Can't really name any music of the 90s although my girl Sara Evans got started late in the 90s and things got better then.

Party on Wayne.
 
2012-02-26 08:50:47 PM
Faves of mine not heretofore mentioned (that I saw anyway):



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2012-02-27 08:02:35 AM
Whar Ween?!?!
Whar Porcupine Tree?!?!

Ugh I hate these lists. They never feture MY favorite bands.
 
2012-02-27 08:40:52 AM
Sloan should have been on the list, but to me the biggest omission is The Verve's Urban Hymns. My favorite album of the decade. Though, my second favorite was #1.
 
2012-02-27 09:56:01 AM

Raspil: Happy to see #4 in a reasonable place. And where the hell is Violator?!

zunkus: I'm sure no one will ever see this but, no Soundgarden in the top 10 = I can't agree, I would have accepted either Badmotorfinger or Down on the Upside.

I've been listening to Chris Cornell sing since 1989. But it's not surprising they didn't make the list at all. Back then everyone was listening to Nirvana and Pearl Jam. The choice was made. Soundgarden didn't stand a chance, even if their music was worlds better than those two sh*t bands.


See I enjoy PJ and Nirvana, just not as much as Soundgarden.
 
2012-02-27 01:08:23 PM
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(This one's open to debate, agreed:)
 
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2012-02-27 10:11:36 PM

stupiddream:
Whar Porcupine Tree?!?!


I dig 'em too, but they didn't really start writing their best stuff until the 2000's IMO.
 
2012-02-28 03:09:11 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Aquemini better than ATLiens? It may have been more artistic, but it pales compared to ATLiens (1996) and even Stankonia (2000).


Yep, ATLiens is a classic. This list is so bad, no AiC, no Soundgarden, and PJs "Vs" is superior to "Ten".
 
2012-02-28 11:39:38 PM
All these posts and nobody has mentioned Sugar Ray? Or Smashmouth? Worst list ever.
 
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