Got to increase the Mormon head count.

Maybe in the oldin' days. But now, with the internet, they can go online and learn that most hetro-sex is about putting it in the pooper anyway.

If only there were another way a man could have more kids by sidestepping the one wife rule. hmmmmm.
They could always drop the birthrate to zero and install mandatory Warcraft classes

Came for "The Stupid...it BURNS!" meme... You guys are slow today.

PURITY BALLS FOR ALL!!!!

Wait, I thought Mormon's married those women young and sent the young men off to do missionary work, while the old guys do "missionary" work?

//I kid, but in my experience back in the day, Mormon girls had about the same rep as Catholic girls, without the hangups about condoms.

"We've been culturally watered down to think we have to teach about sex, about having sex and how to get away with it, which is intellectually dishonest," Wright said, according to The Salt Lake Tribune. "Why don't we just be honest with them upfront that sex outside marriage is devastating?"

Current photo of Rep. Wright:

jayhawk88: "We've been culturally watered down to think we have to teach about sex, about having sex and how to get away with it, which is intellectually dishonest," Wright said, according to The Salt Lake Tribune. "Why don't we just be honest with them upfront that sex outside marriage is devastating?"

Oh, there's some intellectual dishonesty going on all right...

I know, right? I'm not married, and have never been told that having sex with me was "devastating."

Adequate, alright, satisfactory, now those are words I've heard used.

/maybe devastating to their self-esteem...

To be fair, they have 2 things going against them, they are Mormon and conservative.

"Why don't we just be honest with them upfront that sex outside marriage is devastating?"

Your doing it wrong. Or not, if you're into that sort of thing. Whatever works for ya...

Enjoy your sudden deluge of teenage mom welfare, food stamp & Medicaid applicants. We'll be in the educated Northern states, watching teen birth rates continue to drop.

/mormons
//er, morons

"Why don't we just be honest with them upfront that sex outside marriage is devastating?"

Um... because that's not true?

Sex outside of marriage IS often devastating. It's betraying the trust and commitment to your spouse. If you're single, on the other hand....it kicks ass.

STD rate to go through the roof in 3,2,1....

Does their majic underwear protect them from unintended pregnancy as well?

"We've been culturally watered down to think we have to teach about sex, about having sex and how to get away with it, which is intellectually dishonest," Wright said, according to The Salt Lake Tribune. "Why don't we just be honest with them upfront that sex outside marriage is devastating?"

Finally someone bold enough to tell the truth.

All sex outside of marriage is immediately fatal. Everyone knows this. Only propaganda from the music television and the internet machines say otherwise. Sex is a beautiful union between a man and women joined permanently by God/Joseph Smith.

/until they die, then they all get their own planet obviously.

FTFA: "We've been culturally watered down to think we have to teach about sex, about having sex and how to get away with it, which is intellectually dishonest," Wright said, according to The Salt Lake Tribune. "Why don't we just be honest with them upfront that sex outside marriage is devastating?"

Seriously? Get away with it and sex outside of marriage is devastating are the arguments? This is what is wrong with these people. Saying you get away with sex outside of marriage is just showing that you find sex inherently bad, which biases anything you say on the subject. Guess what? People fark, people enjoy farking and they are going to fark with or without a piece of paper saying they are married.

The second argument is even stupider. Yes, unplanned pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases can be devastating. However, if people know how to properly and consistently use birth control and condoms/dental dams they will be protected. So the argument is that by not giving youth the tools to prevent the problem, the problem exists. What idiots.

Some serious education is needed around here. Using a source no liberal can complain about: abstinence only education works.

Since everyone else is already quoting the sentence I wanted to post, I guess I'll pile on.

"We've been culturally watered down to think we have to teach about sex, about having sex and how to get away with it, which is intellectually dishonest,"

That is a very telling statement. This is all about pussy control.

Utah sure does have a lot of sexual insecurity, between this and the polygamy thing.

I farking hate The Eagle Forum who was driving force behind this.
Phyllis Schlafly and Gayle Ruzicka are stupid old bitter coonts.

/i hate this state.
//In HS my cousin came to me to ask if she had really had sex or not because she wasn't sure if him putting his hand down her pants was it or not. She knew nothing - SERIOUSLY!!

CDWasWrong: Some serious education is needed around here. Using a source no liberal can complain about: abstinence only education works.

"Unlike previous programs it did not define abstinence as delaying sex until marriage."

Arachidonic: FTFA: "We've been culturally watered down to think we have to teach about sex, about having sex and how to get away with it, which is intellectually dishonest," Wright said, according to The Salt Lake Tribune. "Why don't we just be honest with them upfront that sex outside marriage is devastating?"

Seriously? Get away with it and sex outside of marriage is devastating are the arguments? This is what is wrong with these people. Saying you get away with sex outside of marriage is just showing that you find sex inherently bad, which biases anything you say on the subject. Guess what? People fark, people enjoy farking and they are going to fark with or without a piece of paper saying they are married.

The second argument is even stupider. Yes, unplanned pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases can be devastating. However, if people know how to properly and consistently use birth control and condoms/dental dams they will be protected. So the argument is that by not giving youth the tools to prevent the problem, the problem exists. What idiots.

Reminds me of the catholic church in Africa. You cant really expect religious people to be reasonable since they believe in retarded shiat like their religion.

coeyagi: Klivian: jayhawk88: "We've been culturally watered down to think we have to teach about sex, about having sex and how to get away with it, which is intellectually dishonest," Wright said, according to The Salt Lake Tribune. "Why don't we just be honest with them upfront that sex outside marriage is devastating?"

Oh, there's some intellectual dishonesty going on all right...

I know, right? I'm not married, and have never been told that having sex with me was "devastating."

Adequate, alright, satisfactory, now those are words I've heard used.

/maybe devastating to their self-esteem...

It's devastating to all those knucklechildren that landed in your rubber, small of her back, her esophagus, or.... your knuckles. Dried up little tadpoles with no future.

That's why I store mine in a big freezer. It's the only way I can masturbate frequently, and still be sure I won't go to Hell for it.

/Sex is evil
//God gave us the bodies to punish us for...something
///So it is best not to teach our children anything about them

CDWasWrong: Some serious education is needed around here. Using a source no liberal can complain about: abstinence only education works.

From that study:

Conclusion Theory-based abstinence-only interventions may have an important role in preventing adolescent sexual involvement

Try again.

CDWasWrong: Some serious education is needed around here. Using a source no liberal can complain about: abstinence only education works.

Which shows that fewer people will have sex. Now, of the people who do have sex, how many more get pregnant or transmit diseases because they don't farking know how to put on a condom or why they should? Where are the teen pregnancy numbers for that same situation?

There's a reason "having sex" isn't considered the big statistic to track.

CDWasWrong: Some serious education is needed around here. Using a source no liberal can complain about: abstinence only education works.

I would like to see the affects this sort of thing has on teen pregnancy rates. I have a problem when this is part of the study as well:

"The primary outcome was self-report of ever having sexual intercourse by the 24-month follow-up. Secondary outcomes were other sexual behaviors."

Their entire study appears to be centered around asking the students if they had sex. Are these kids telling the truth? Would you tell the truth if you went through an abstinence education program and then 2 years later you were interviewed by the same people who provided the education? They went to an awful lot of trouble to do this for you, and it might disappoint them if you had sex. They might tell your parents too (not really, but think of this from a 14 year old's perspective). Also, lets see the numbers 5 years later while we're at it.

So yeah, that is a potentially interesting study, but alot more work needs to be done.

Also, if you go to the actual study, they're not really testing the same factors. (new window)

Yes, more 7th graders who received an abstinence-only education program waited to have sex than 7th graders who received a safe-sex education program or a control program. But a safe-sex education program isn't trying to get kids to wait to have sex, but to get them to have safer sex if they're going to have it. The measures of program success are different: the former measures by kids who don't have sex, the latter measures by kids who don't get pregnant or get STDs. And, as other studies (new window)have shown, abstinence-only education actually increases the percentage getting pregnant or with STDs.

So, yeah, with abstinence-only education, only 33% of the kids have sex by sophomore year compared to 48% of the control group, but if 100% of the former group get STDs or get pregnant, you can't really claim "success"... unless your goal is pussy control, rather than safety.

born_yesterday: That's why I store mine in a big freezer. It's the only way I can masturbate frequently, and still be sure I won't go to Hell for it.

Plus, in the summer, you can take it out of the freezer for a refreshing treat!

/Dude sorbet.

If libs cared about the issue they would establish and publicize a sex ed program accessible to teens instead of whining that somehow the legislative process is out to get them. Once you have decided that your education will be dependent on your schooling you have accepted that learning is not important to you.

Good to see that Utah is doing their best to make Romney unelectable.

Theaetetus: So, yeah, with abstinence-only education, only 33% of the kids have sex by sophomore year compared to 48% of the control group, but if 100% of the former group get STDs or get pregnant, you can't really claim "success"... unless your goal is pussy control, rather than safety.

New band name

Bloody William: born_yesterday: That's why I store mine in a big freezer. It's the only way I can masturbate frequently, and still be sure I won't go to Hell for it.

Plus, in the summer, you can take it out of the freezer for a refreshing treat!

/Dude sorbet.

Also works better than baking soda for absorbing odors.

Abstinence only education is dependent upon teenagers listening to authorities over hormones.

You can see why it is such a smashing success.

Question posed by the lunatic legislator from TFA -- "Why don't we just be honest with them upfront that sex outside marriage is devastating?"

With divorce rates being what they are you might come to the conclusion that sex within marriage is devastating also.

What's the syllabus for an abstinence only class anyway?
We will be repeating in class everyday "Don't have sex". Which we aren't going to teach you about how it works or how to stop what could happen if you do. Just not to do it.

DarnoKonrad: Maybe in the oldin' days. But now, with the internet, they can go online and learn that most hetro-sex is about putting it in the pooper anyway.

Morman girls = technical virgin

SquiggelyGrounders: To be fair, they have 2 things going against them, they are Mormon and conservative.

TO be 'fair', only 60% of the state is Mormon, and probably only about 60% of them are as conservative as people like to think. Problem is that we have this stupid twat named Gayle Ruzicka who is a part of this group called the Eagle Forum who get to directly influence our laws, even though none of them are elected officials. Add to that the fact that the legislature itself is 80% Mormon, and the LDS church gets private, closed door meetings with the legislature at the beginning of the session and you have a recipe for stupid.

Oh yeah, did I mention that 90% of the time when they are talking about laws, there is a statement to the effect of 'We're still waiting for the Church to weigh in on this.'. I love this state, Mormons are very nice people and make great neighbors, but the Big Quake they're expecting needs to be centered directly under the capitol building and break all records for strength, and it needs to happen soon.

RandomExcess: If libs cared about the issue they would establish and publicize a sex ed program accessible to teens instead of whining that somehow the legislative process is out to get them. Once you have decided that your education will be dependent on your schooling you have accepted that learning is not important to you.

You're thinking of free market capitalists or libertarians. Different "lib". The proper route of attack on the liberals is to mock their desire to have the government nanny state hold their hand through everything. Unfortunately, that tact doesn't really work in this debate, because abstinence only education isn't different from "safe sex" education in the "why is the gubbment tryin' to learn me stuff?" angle. You could go the route of "Yeah you're fine with the government being in your life until it tries to teach something you don't like" crack instead.

/not a bad troll though, had to read your last sentence a couple times to even get how it related to this debate.

RandomExcess: If libs cared about the issue they would establish and publicize a sex ed program accessible to teens instead of whining that somehow the legislative process is out to get them. Once you have decided that your education will be dependent on your schooling you have accepted that learning is not important to you.

It's called Planned Parenthood, you may have heard of it? It still doesn't substitute for parents talking to their kids about safe sex.

I remember a Planned Parenthood branch that lasted about 3 years in the town of Houghton, Michigan, which is home to Michigan Technological University.

They left after businesses and people complained about the guys driving around town with dead baby pictures, the constant protests, and the drop in business downtown. They had a brisk business, even being a branch that did not perform abortions but were a women's health clinic and contraception provider, but for nearly every day of those 3 years, there were protesters in front of the place with their dead baby signs.

It was great crossing their picket line with my fiance, and seeing the local Nazarene minister and just casually saying "Hi". I knew his daughters, and several (at least 4) of my younger college friends REALLY knew his daughters. Those two girls worked their way through the dorms like a door to door vacuum salesman works a suburb.

Is there any data out there past 2005 for teen pregnancy rates? Otherwise it is already pretty low in Utah.

2005 information (new window)

Apparently sharing a border with Canada helps keep teen pregnancy low also.

Karac: RandomExcess: Once you have decided that your education will be dependent on your schooling

What, pray tell, should your education be dependent upon if NOT your schooling - whether public, private or home?

Commitment and accountability would be a good start, along with a solid moral foundation. Teachers are just extension of the academic elite and the primary source of secular Catechism.

A war on sex is what this country needs and Rick Santorum is the right man for the job. We could create a million jobs by setting up sex police departments all across the country. A sex czar could be appointed to oversee and coordinate operations.

This will resonate with Americans and help the Republican party become a permanent majority.

FRom the BIll:

"personal skills that encourage individual choice of abstinence and fidelity."

What kind of "skills" 'encourage abstinence'? They gonna teach these kids how to get off all by their lonesome? Maybe hand out Fleshlights and vibrators? I've seen the so-called adult bookshops here, they don't have enough stock in the entire state for one classroom. Love to know what these 'personal skills' are. Guess I'll have to ask my stepsons a few more questions about their sex ed...