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(Slate)   Should the government be blamed for high gas prices? Here comes the (economic) science   (slate.com) divider line 97
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2012-02-24 12:40:18 PM  
Look, I've got to blame somebody alright?
 
2012-02-24 12:41:40 PM  
Only when a Democrat is in the White House. Duh!
 
2012-02-24 12:42:34 PM  
I didn't see the word "refinery" mentioned anywhere in the article, or how that companies are shutting them due to new and improved EPA regulations.

Maybe the author's car can take pure WTI crude, but mine can't.
 
2012-02-24 12:44:52 PM  

Pincy: Only when a Bush is in the White House. Duh!

 
2012-02-24 12:45:49 PM  
1) buy oil company stock

2) invade, and call for the invasion of, oil producing nations

3) deregulated speculators drive up futures

4) profit

/so, yes gov't causes gas price increases
 
2012-02-24 12:46:10 PM  
Wait, wasn't this always a hot button for liberals with Bush and Cheney? I'm sure they will all be along soon to apologize for that...
 
2012-02-24 12:46:15 PM  
There are a lot of factors in the price of gasoline, but the government plays a large role in increasing the cost. The lefts refusal to build the Keystone pipeline is the tip of the iceberg. Other factors include high gasoline taxes, it's refusal to put a lid on Iran creating an atmosphere of uncertainty, and the EPA imposing certain regulations on the production and contents of gas itself.
 
2012-02-24 12:46:33 PM  
Thank Gawd most of the electorate is savvy enough to read a Slate analysis before jumping to the conclusion Obama's failed Green Energy money dumps and cuddly-muddly with environmental extremists is the reason for high gas prices.
 
2012-02-24 12:48:11 PM  

Ball Sack Obama: Wait, wasn't this always a hot button for liberals with Bush and Cheney? I'm sure they will all be along soon to apologize for that...


Bush and Cheney started two wars in the middle east.
Obama... is black.

So yeah, they are all equally to blame.
 
2012-02-24 12:48:14 PM  

s2s2s2: Pincy: Only when a Bush is in the White House. Duh!


No no no, you're thinking of massive job losses, not gas prices.
 
2012-02-24 12:48:43 PM  
chi_tino

I didn't see the word "refinery" mentioned anywhere in the article, or how that companies are shutting them due to new and improved EPA regulations.

It's not like we need the Gulf of Mexico or anything...
 
2012-02-24 12:50:40 PM  
One thing I know for sure, we should not put any money into alternative energy solutions.
 
2012-02-24 12:52:03 PM  
If only the government wouldn't shackle our attempts to destroy all living things for our own convenience! Gas would be practically free!
 
2012-02-24 12:53:16 PM  

lennavan: Ball Sack Obama: Wait, wasn't this always a hot button for liberals with Bush and Cheney? I'm sure they will all be along soon to apologize for that...

Bush and Cheney started two wars in the middle east.
Obama... is black.

So yeah, they are all equally to blame.


I thought the Iraq Resolution started the wars in the Middle East, but if you say so.

Oh, and the race card... really?
 
2012-02-24 12:53:38 PM  
You know, they said the same thing when gas prices spiked under Bush, but not to this degree. Back then there wasn't anything the government could do about it, but the media didn't seem to have the same slavish dedication to pointing that out that they do now.

Speculators are driving up the cost. (new window) True then, true now.
 
2012-02-24 12:53:42 PM  
 
2012-02-24 12:54:05 PM  

Pincy: One thing I know for sure, we should not put any money into alternative energy solutions.


You're right.
Oil will never, ever run out. It's being created by a mysterious process in the earth's mantle and it's constantly replenishing. Don't buy into the hippie liberal conspiracy. They just hate capitalism and jobs.
 
2012-02-24 12:54:47 PM  

Pincy: One thing I know for sure, we should not put any money into alternative energy solutions.


Perhaps we could start with Solyndra... you know, since it's worked so well for us and all?
 
2012-02-24 12:55:16 PM  
Look, if he had forced the shutdown of every oil rig in the US, then we might want to start blaming Obama.

But he hasn't done that.

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But, maybe we should blame Obama for trying to fix things. I mean, if he hadn't tried to get the economy back on track, demand for oil would still be low and gas prices would be as well.

Damn you Obama, Damn you for working to get America's economy back on track. Damn you for supporting global efforts to get the world economy moving again. If only you'd let things languish, we could have $2.00 gasoline.
 
2012-02-24 12:55:25 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Pincy: One thing I know for sure, we should not put any money into alternative energy solutions.

You're right.
Oil will never, ever run out. It's being created by a mysterious process in the earth's mantle and it's constantly replenishing. Don't buy into the hippie liberal conspiracy. They just hate capitalism and jobs.


Are you a Wizard?
 
2012-02-24 12:56:09 PM  

chi_tino: I didn't see the word "refinery" mentioned anywhere in the article, or how that companies are shutting them due to new and improved EPA regulations.

Maybe the author's car can take pure WTI crude, but mine can't.


And yet when I do a google news search I get excerpts like this:

"at risk for closure as high crude costs cut into profit margins "
"U.S. East Coast refineries are struggling with weak refinery margins"

And nary a word about new EPA regulations.
 
2012-02-24 12:57:47 PM  
Pff. The article writer forgot one very important thing: LIBERALS
 
2012-02-24 12:57:51 PM  
It's Slate so the answer will be no if A) the president is a democrat and prices are high or B) the president is a republican and prices are low.
 
2012-02-24 12:57:52 PM  

Ball Sack Obama: Wait, wasn't this always a hot button for liberals with Bush and Cheney? I'm sure they will all be along soon to apologize for that...


It is hard to make generalities about liberals on this issue. For decades, some have wanted higher full efficiency standards for cars (CAFE), more public transportation, higher fuel taxes, etc. in order to reduce pollution, reduce dependency on foreign oil, reduce green gases, etc. Indeed, if we had bitten the bullet back in the 1980s and slowly introduced these measures back then, it would likely be *MUCH* less painful for us now. A stitch in time saves nine, and all.

I suspect a lot more liberals will come back and say "I told you so" than "oh, we were wrong".
 
2012-02-24 12:57:54 PM  
I'm sure devaluing our currency by running the printing presses hasn't affected the price at all.
 
2012-02-24 12:58:01 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Pincy: One thing I know for sure, we should not put any money into alternative energy solutions.

You're right.
Oil will never, ever run out. It's being created by a mysterious process in the earth's mantle and it's constantly replenishing. Don't buy into the hippie liberal conspiracy. They just hate capitalism and jobs.


Preach it Reverend! About time the truth gets out.

Re TFA: tl;dr

Just scanning it, it looks like a long excuse for the incontrovertible fact that Obama is 100% personally responsible for the surge in gas prices.

Just as he is for any other negative economic, political, meterological or other news.
 
2012-02-24 12:58:10 PM  

CDWasWrong: There are a lot of factors in the price of gasoline, but the government plays a large role in increasing the cost. The lefts refusal to build the Keystone pipeline is the tip of the iceberg. Other factors include high gasoline taxes, it's refusal to put a lid on Iran creating an atmosphere of uncertainty, and the EPA imposing certain regulations on the production and contents of gas itself.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-02-24 12:58:20 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: It's being created by a mysterious process in the earth's mantle and it's constantly replenishing


This is true.
 
2012-02-24 12:59:04 PM  
Rev. Skarekroe

Oil will never, ever run out. It's being created by a mysterious process in the earth's mantle and it's constantly replenishing. Don't buy into the hippie liberal conspiracy. They just hate capitalism and jobs.

Back in Jesus' time, when they "annointed with oil," I bet it was with light, sweet crude.

/bored
 
2012-02-24 12:59:12 PM  

Lsherm: You know, they said the same thing when gas prices spiked under Bush, but not to this degree. Back then there wasn't anything the government could do about it, but the media didn't seem to have the same slavish dedication to pointing that out that they do now.

Speculators are driving up the cost. (new window) True then, true now.




ORLY???

It was 4 to 1 with Bush vs. Obama...
 
2012-02-24 12:59:39 PM  
However I see that a few of the newer GOP shills in here have NOT forgotten about LIBERALS and their destructive ways.
 
2012-02-24 01:00:31 PM  

lennavan: Ball Sack Obama: Wait, wasn't this always a hot button for liberals with Bush and Cheney? I'm sure they will all be along soon to apologize for that...

Bush and Cheney started two wars in the middle east.
Obama... is black.

So yeah, they are all equally to blame.


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/hypothetically, can you conceive of any issue involving Obama where you don't equate criticism (none of which mentions his race) with overt racism?
 
2012-02-24 01:01:23 PM  
The oil companies warned Obama that he "would be sorry" if he didn't support their pipeline. Is anyone surprised that the prices are now rising before the election?
 
2012-02-24 01:02:45 PM  
wrs1864
I suspect a lot more liberals will come back and say "I told you so" than "oh, we were wrong".

President Carter's energy speech in 1977

/we told you so
 
2012-02-24 01:03:59 PM  
For real, the GOP's big talking point is gas prices, and an oil pipeline that wouldn't have been completed before the election even IF it had been given the skip-ahead by Obama?

Also note - war with Iran will INCREASE gas prices. They are campaigning on gas prices and actions that would greatly increase said gas prices...
 
2012-02-24 01:04:20 PM  

lilbjorn: The oil companies warned Obama that he "would be sorry" if he didn't support their pipeline. Is anyone surprised that the prices are now rising before the election?


If this is done intentionally then it should be considered treason and the appropriate people should be exectued.
 
2012-02-24 01:04:49 PM  

watson.t.hamster: lennavan: Ball Sack Obama: Wait, wasn't this always a hot button for liberals with Bush and Cheney? I'm sure they will all be along soon to apologize for that...

Bush and Cheney started two wars in the middle east.
Obama... is black.

So yeah, they are all equally to blame.

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/hypothetically, can you conceive of any issue involving Obama where you don't equate criticism (none of which mentions his race) with overt racism?


I'm trying really hard to think of a political issue where reality matches the criticism of Obama. I'll let you know when I come up with one.
 
2012-02-24 01:04:56 PM  

Ball Sack Obama: ORLY???


MRC, founded by Brent Bozell, who was on Hannity last night lying about oil production and drilling permits under Obama. We should totally take that man seriously.
 
2012-02-24 01:07:58 PM  

lennavan: watson.t.hamster: lennavan: Ball Sack Obama: Wait, wasn't this always a hot button for liberals with Bush and Cheney? I'm sure they will all be along soon to apologize for that...

Bush and Cheney started two wars in the middle east.
Obama... is black.

So yeah, they are all equally to blame.

[profile.ak.fbcdn.net image 180x154]

/hypothetically, can you conceive of any issue involving Obama where you don't equate criticism (none of which mentions his race) with overt racism?

I'm trying really hard to think of a political issue where reality matches the criticism of Obama. I'll let you know when I come up with one.


So the answer is no, in your mind there are absolutely no criticisms of Obama that aren't based on racism.

Thank you, that will save me some time.
 
2012-02-24 01:08:04 PM  
If I have to hear the phrase "pain at the pump" one more time....
 
2012-02-24 01:11:18 PM  

Incog_Neeto: Look, I've got to blame somebody alright?


You should blame Jack Gerard and the American Petroleum Institute

Link (new window)

From the link:
The oil industry's top lobbyist warned the Obama administration Wednesday to approve the Keystone XL oil pipeline or face "huge political consequences" in an election year.

Jack Gerard, president of the American Petroleum Institute, said it would be a "huge mistake" for President Barack Obama to reject the 1,700-mile, Canada-to-Texas pipeline. Obama faces a Feb. 21 deadline to decide whether the $7 billion pipeline is in the national interest.

"Clearly, the Keystone XL pipeline is in the national interest," Gerard said at the trade association's annual "State of American Energy" event. "A determination to decide anything less than that I believe will have huge political consequences."


Presidents may not be able to do much about gasoline prices, but oil companies sure as hell can.
 
2012-02-24 01:11:33 PM  

chi_tino: I didn't see the word "refinery" mentioned anywhere in the article, or how that companies are shutting them due to new and improved EPA regulations massively expanding capacity at the refineries they already own and operate, because it is cheaper to ship/pipe oil in to a few locations rather than have a ton of small sites that cost significant capital.

.


FTFY

Yes, we have less total, discreet refineries, however our capacity is WAY up at existing locations.
 
2012-02-24 01:12:45 PM  

Ball Sack Obama: lennavan: Ball Sack Obama: Wait, wasn't this always a hot button for liberals with Bush and Cheney? I'm sure they will all be along soon to apologize for that...

Bush and Cheney started two wars in the middle east.
Obama... is black.

So yeah, they are all equally to blame.

I thought the Iraq Resolution started the wars in the Middle East, but if you say so.

Oh, and the race card... really?


War in Iraq is Congress' fault because it was the Iraq Resolution.
But it's still cool to hate on Obama for the budget, right? I mean, I thought that was a hot button topic for conservatives and I'm sure they'll be along to apologize for that soon.... right? Maybe you'll even apologize for them?

Not so sure a guy named "Ball Sack Obama" gets to complain here.
 
2012-02-24 01:14:36 PM  

watson.t.hamster: I'm trying really hard to think of a political issue where reality matches the criticism of Obama. I'll let you know when I come up with one.

So the answer is no, in your mind there are absolutely no criticisms of Obama that aren't based on racism.

Thank you, that will save me some time.


I guess that means you can't think of any issues where reality matches the criticism of Obama.

Yep, that did save us some time, didn't it.
 
2012-02-24 01:17:28 PM  

chi_tino: I didn't see the word "refinery" mentioned anywhere in the article, or how that companies are shutting them due to new and improved EPA regulations.

Maybe the author's car can take pure WTI crude, but mine can't.


Funny how everyone who harps about number of refineries never actually talks about total refining capacity. It's like complaining that there are fewer places to live after two houses are demolished to build an apartment building. Because there are fewer buildings.
 
2012-02-24 01:19:06 PM  
he's half black, so he gets half the blame.
 
2012-02-24 01:19:19 PM  

SuperTramp: wrs1864
I suspect a lot more liberals will come back and say "I told you so" than "oh, we were wrong".

President Carter's energy speech in 1977

/we told you so


An important follow up piece by Carter from the last election cycle. (new window)
 
2012-02-24 01:20:33 PM  

lennavan: watson.t.hamster: I'm trying really hard to think of a political issue where reality matches the criticism of Obama. I'll let you know when I come up with one.

So the answer is no, in your mind there are absolutely no criticisms of Obama that aren't based on racism.

Thank you, that will save me some time.

I guess that means you can't think of any issues where reality matches the criticism of Obama.

Yep, that did save us some time, didn't it.


Nah, I just know exactly how this plays out.

I post a link about say cash for clunkers showing it didn't really help the economy or the environment in the long run and was a waste of time. You respond with "yeah, because Obama is black".

I post a link about any other subject showing mathematically why some policy was flawed and your response will still be insinuations (or outright declarations) of racism.

To some people an objective reality exists. To others making that claim is "RACISM!".

In fact your claim that *no* criticism of Obama is valid kinda says everything.
 
2012-02-24 01:23:43 PM  
"Let us set as our national goal, in the spirit of Apollo, with the determination of the Manhattan Project, that by the end of this decade we will have developed the potential to meet our own energy needs without depending on any foreign energy source."
- President Richard Nixon (November 7, 1973)
 
2012-02-24 01:25:12 PM  

watson.t.hamster: I post a link about say cash for clunkers showing it didn't really help the economy or the environment in the long run and was a waste of time. You respond with "yeah, because Obama is black".

I post a link about any other subject showing mathematically why some policy was flawed and your response will still be insinuations (or outright declarations) of racism.

To some people an objective reality exists. To others making that claim is "RACISM!".

In fact your claim that *no* criticism of Obama is valid kinda says everything.



it's right there in the liberal's playbook. when all else fails, play the race card.
of course the retards among the liberals play the race card all day.
 
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