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(USA Today)   In what's nothing more than a cheap cash-in on The Phantom Menace, Darth Maul is returning to The Clone Wars. But damn if it doesn't look awesome   (usatoday.com) divider line 70
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2012-02-24 11:33:11 AM
Which half of him?
 
2012-02-24 11:56:07 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Which half of him?


The bottom half. His legs flail around looking for the top half. Then amusingly attempts to kick Obi-wan in the butt while decairing "it's just a flesh wound!"

/clone wars is pretty cool
 
2012-02-24 12:02:30 PM
It's not a cheap cash-in, it's the only character worth a damn from the entire first movie.
 
2012-02-24 12:22:19 PM

scottydoesntknow: It's not a cheap cash-in, it's the only character worth a damn from the entire first movie.


He had two lines. That doesn't make a character. Visually interesting, Palpatines mad dog, but seriously Qui Gon Gin was a damn better character.
 
2012-02-24 12:30:27 PM

Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: It's not a cheap cash-in, it's the only character worth a damn from the entire first movie.

He had two lines. That doesn't make a character. Visually interesting, Palpatines mad dog, but seriously Qui Gon Gin was a damn better character.


WALL-E said 5 words the entire movie ("Wall-E", "EVE", "Directive", "Ohh", & "POP!") yet he's one of everybody's favorite characters from Pixar.

Hell the fact that he only had 2 lines is one of the reasons he's the best. He didn't have to spew that bullshiat Lucas thought was dialogue.
 
2012-02-24 12:49:18 PM
I just can't get over my dislike for the animation. On the other hand, I can still go back and watch the Genndy Tartakovsky stuff.
 
2012-02-24 12:53:30 PM

scottydoesntknow: Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: It's not a cheap cash-in, it's the only character worth a damn from the entire first movie.

He had two lines. That doesn't make a character. Visually interesting, Palpatines mad dog, but seriously Qui Gon Gin was a damn better character.

WALL-E said 5 words the entire movie ("Wall-E", "EVE", "Directive", "Ohh", & "POP!") yet he's one of everybody's favorite characters from Pixar.

Hell the fact that he only had 2 lines is one of the reasons he's the best. He didn't have to spew that bullshiat Lucas thought was dialogue.


Wall-e spent the movie doing actions that defined his character and showed a story arc.

Darth Maul had two settings: stand around and attack. Not a character arc.
 
2012-02-24 12:58:16 PM

Sybarite: I just can't get over my dislike for the animation. On the other hand, I can still go back and watch the Genndy Tartakovsky stuff.


The animation has gotten better-and the stories are far better than tartovsky stuff. Like the time padme used c3po as bait. Or mace windu was Superman.
 
2012-02-24 02:08:00 PM

Sybarite: I just can't get over my dislike for the animation. On the other hand, I can still go back and watch the Genndy Tartakovsky stuff.


The animation has gotten amazing, better than the prequels, really. And the storylines are fantastic. Clone Wars is the Star Wars we all wanted, but people dissed it years ago and didn't realize they are missing out.

Hell they even make Jar-Jar and C3P0 kinda cool.
 
2012-02-24 02:11:09 PM

Darth_Lukecash: the stories are far better than tartovsky stuff


Were there even stories in that? Clone Wars is pretty deep, switches time frames, mixes up stuff and characters from years ago and just expects you to keep up.

I liked the Tartovsky stuff but you really can't compare the two. Clone Wars is a serial that has been running for years, the cartoon stuff was like a short story.
 
2012-02-24 02:52:34 PM
I tend to think a lot of Star Wars fans just don't get the WWII narrator joke at the beginning of every episode, and the theme music is all wrong, so they watched like 3 minutes of one episode 3 years ago and got angry and decided to watch Plinkett again.
 
2012-02-24 03:13:58 PM

Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: It's not a cheap cash-in, it's the only character worth a damn from the entire first movie.

He had two lines. That doesn't make a character. Visually interesting, Palpatines mad dog, but seriously Qui Gon Gin was a damn better character.

WALL-E said 5 words the entire movie ("Wall-E", "EVE", "Directive", "Ohh", & "POP!") yet he's one of everybody's favorite characters from Pixar.

Hell the fact that he only had 2 lines is one of the reasons he's the best. He didn't have to spew that bullshiat Lucas thought was dialogue.

Wall-e spent the movie doing actions that defined his character and showed a story arc.

Darth Maul had two settings: stand around and attack. Not a character arc.


Honestly, the Darth Maul stuff by Dark Horse does a great job of giving him personality. Lucas, not so much.

In the movies hes a boring, useless, might as well have been CGI, character. In the comics he has a plot.
 
2012-02-24 03:18:10 PM
Dear Lucasfilm,

Please "remake" all 6 of the Star Wars feature films using the same animation style as the Clone Wars series. Use the existing soundtracks, mind you, just change the visuals so that the movies maintain visual continuity with the series. I think that would be a far better use of your time, effort and money than the Law & Order: Star Wars you've got cooking right now.

Thanks,
Teufelaffe
 
2012-02-24 03:22:25 PM
Sam Witwer is a huge Star Wars nerd. I have a friend who worked on the Star Wars RPG (d20 and also Saga) and he said Sam Witwer emailed him out of the blue with some questions.
 
2012-02-24 03:26:35 PM

Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: It's not a cheap cash-in, it's the only character worth a damn from the entire first movie.

He had two lines. That doesn't make a character. Visually interesting, Palpatines mad dog, but seriously Qui Gon Gin was a damn better character.

WALL-E said 5 words the entire movie ("Wall-E", "EVE", "Directive", "Ohh", & "POP!") yet he's one of everybody's favorite characters from Pixar.

Hell the fact that he only had 2 lines is one of the reasons he's the best. He didn't have to spew that bullshiat Lucas thought was dialogue.

Wall-e spent the movie doing actions that defined his character and showed a story arc.

Darth Maul had two settings: stand around and attack. Not a character arc.


A flat line character arc is vastly superior to Jar Jars or the little kid, whose arcs nosedived into open graves and kept digging.
 
2012-02-24 03:36:43 PM
This season has been hitting it out of the ballpark, the boring season opening Mon Calamari arc notwithstanding. I'd pay to watch the Umbara arc on the big screen.
 
2012-02-24 03:36:57 PM

Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: It's not a cheap cash-in, it's the only character worth a damn from the entire first movie.

He had two lines. That doesn't make a character.


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Mike Chewbacca: Sam Witwer is a huge Star Wars nerd. I have a friend who worked on the Star Wars RPG (d20 and also Saga) and he said Sam Witwer emailed him out of the blue with some questions.


Yeah. While I don't like the Clone Wars because I can't get past the sense of "The Adventures of Kid Hitler" with Anakin's horrible character shiat in the last movie, I can respect that the people behind it actually do care about the Star Wars universe, and take lots of things (like the Nightsisters of Dathomir) from the EU.

Is one of them named Djo?
 
2012-02-24 03:58:48 PM

Bloody William: Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: It's not a cheap cash-in, it's the only character worth a damn from the entire first movie.

He had two lines. That doesn't make a character.

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Mike Chewbacca: Sam Witwer is a huge Star Wars nerd. I have a friend who worked on the Star Wars RPG (d20 and also Saga) and he said Sam Witwer emailed him out of the blue with some questions.

Yeah. While I don't like the Clone Wars because I can't get past the sense of "The Adventures of Kid Hitler" with Anakin's horrible character shiat in the last movie, I can respect that the people behind it actually do care about the Star Wars universe, and take lots of things (like the Nightsisters of Dathomir) from the EU.

Is one of them named Djo?


I know Master Lucas must approve everything in Clone Wars, but it's obvious the writers know a hell of a lot more about that universe in a galaxy far, far away a lot better than the guy who stumbled on it.
 
2012-02-24 04:01:31 PM
How to catch up on the show? Legally?
 
2012-02-24 04:04:27 PM
Meh, they brought him back in the comics and Vader put a quicker smackdown on him than Obi Wan did.
 
2012-02-24 04:05:12 PM
I'm really surprised to hear suggestions that this show is watchable after having watched the movie that kicked it off in theaters.

Also, darth maul killed a jedi after a ten-minute fight and was ready to fight another one before he hit the ground. He doesn't need any more character development.
 
2012-02-24 04:07:12 PM

The Banana Thug: How to catch up on the show? Legally?


I'm sure Lucas will release the entire series in a couple years, but edit out the cool parts first.
 
2012-02-24 04:07:47 PM

redpanda2: I'm really surprised to hear suggestions that this show is watchable after having watched the movie that kicked it off in theaters.

Also, darth maul killed a jedi after a ten-minute fight and was ready to fight another one before he hit the ground. He doesn't need any more character development.


Yeah, it got a lot better.
 
2012-02-24 04:07:55 PM

Confabulat: I know Master Lucas must approve everything in Clone Wars, but it's obvious the writers know a hell of a lot more about that universe in a galaxy far, far away a lot better than the guy who stumbled on it.


I liked how for a time period Lucas was dissing the EU and talking about various levels of canon and the like. Then after Lucas fell on his face with storytelling, the EU suddenly becomes the staple of his stories.

I'd love to see a movie where Stackpole writes the space battles and Zahn hands the character development. Lucas can stick to making it all look awesome.

/just no furry force repelling lizards
//although I'd take them over Gungans if I had to pick between them
 
2012-02-24 04:07:57 PM
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Dark Horse: Star Wars Visionaries. Darth Maul (the upper half) shows up on Tatooine to kill the Bebe Luke.

/Obi-Wan hands Maul his ass yet again.
 
2012-02-24 04:09:41 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Dark Horse: Star Wars Visionaries. Darth Maul (the upper half) shows up on Tatooine to kill the Bebe Luke.

/Obi-Wan hands Maul his ass yet again.


What comic is that? I don't really follow SW comics, but I might need to score that one.

/awesome idea
 
2012-02-24 04:10:20 PM

redpanda2: I'm really surprised to hear suggestions that this show is watchable after having watched the movie that kicked it off in theaters.

Also, darth maul killed a jedi after a ten-minute fight and was ready to fight another one before he hit the ground. He doesn't need any more character development.


It started off kinda slow in season one, but by the end it turned out pretty amazing. So far I've found a lot of the best episodes to be those involving the clone troopers, because it goes through and takes these normally faceless nobodies strewn out across the movies and media, and actually turns them into amazing characters.
 
2012-02-24 04:21:40 PM
To the best of my knowledge, Darth Maul did not appear during the Clone Wars which started during Episode II. So he could not rejoin the battle.

I play Star Wars: The Old Republic. It bothers me a little that it takes place roughly 3,000 years before Luke and Vader, but the technology is almost the same. It's almost as if scientific and technological advancement were nil during thousands of years. Of course, once you get to the point of intergalactic travel as a quick commute, maybe there's just not much more to do.
 
2012-02-24 04:23:34 PM

ha-ha-guy: What comic is that? I don't really follow SW comics, but I might need to score that one.


Star Wars Visionaries: Dark Horse Books, April, 2005. ISBN: 1-59307-311-9. It's a 10 story anthology. Old Wounds, the story about Darth Maul, was really good. The rest - not so much.

/Amazon has a used one for 24 cents.
 
2012-02-24 04:25:18 PM

Codenamechaz: So far I've found a lot of the best episodes to be those involving the clone troopers, because it goes through and takes these normally faceless nobodies strewn out across the movies and media, and actually turns them into amazing characters.


There was that great 3 episode arc recently where the Jedi commander just treated the clones as cannon fodder, and the Clone leaders were like WTF we are people, not frickin' droids to be sent out to die. It is neat how they emphasize the individuality of the clones.

/spoiler

// dude was a frickin' Sith
 
2012-02-24 04:38:59 PM

chuggernaught: To the best of my knowledge, Darth Maul did not appear during the Clone Wars which started during Episode II. So he could not rejoin the battle.

I play Star Wars: The Old Republic. It bothers me a little that it takes place roughly 3,000 years before Luke and Vader, but the technology is almost the same. It's almost as if scientific and technological advancement were nil during thousands of years. Of course, once you get to the point of intergalactic travel as a quick commute, maybe there's just not much more to do.


From what I understand, in the time since the Old Republic to the current movie era, after ages of war, technology kinda stagnated until development of the Death Star. Like lost to them were things like the Star Forges, which were these massive, asteroid built factories powered by stars that could build entire armies or armadas in minutes.

I haven't read much of the EU so I don't know how much of the canon stuff changed that though.
 
2012-02-24 04:39:52 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: ha-ha-guy: What comic is that? I don't really follow SW comics, but I might need to score that one.

Star Wars Visionaries: Dark Horse Books, April, 2005. ISBN: 1-59307-311-9. It's a 10 story anthology. Old Wounds, the story about Darth Maul, was really good. The rest - not so much.

/Amazon has a used one for 24 cents.


Thanks!
 
2012-02-24 04:42:46 PM

Iblis824: Honestly, the Darth Maul stuff by Dark Horse does a great job of giving him personality. Lucas, not so much.


Michael Reaves did a good job with his novels, and even Jim Luceno gave us a bit more insight in Darth Plaugeis and another Maul e-book.
 
2012-02-24 05:08:16 PM

Confabulat: Codenamechaz: So far I've found a lot of the best episodes to be those involving the clone troopers, because it goes through and takes these normally faceless nobodies strewn out across the movies and media, and actually turns them into amazing characters.

There was that great 3 episode arc recently where the Jedi commander just treated the clones as cannon fodder, and the Clone leaders were like WTF we are people, not frickin' droids to be sent out to die. It is neat how they emphasize the individuality of the clones.

/spoiler

// dude was a frickin' Sith


Absolutely. It's a farking great sign of development that the viewer can actually tell the difference between Cody, Rex, Wolffe, Echo, Fives, and the number of others that have had an identity carved out for them by the series. The movies were rather 'wtf is the difference if there's clones or droids'. The show has made them into people.
 
2012-02-24 05:28:24 PM

Codenamechaz: redpanda2: I'm really surprised to hear suggestions that this show is watchable after having watched the movie that kicked it off in theaters.

Also, darth maul killed a jedi after a ten-minute fight and was ready to fight another one before he hit the ground. He doesn't need any more character development.

It started off kinda slow in season one, but by the end it turned out pretty amazing. So far I've found a lot of the best episodes to be those involving the clone troopers, because it goes through and takes these normally faceless nobodies strewn out across the movies and media, and actually turns them into amazing characters.


I agree.

/5s
 
2012-02-24 05:46:06 PM

Codenamechaz: chuggernaught: To the best of my knowledge, Darth Maul did not appear during the Clone Wars which started during Episode II. So he could not rejoin the battle.

I play Star Wars: The Old Republic. It bothers me a little that it takes place roughly 3,000 years before Luke and Vader, but the technology is almost the same. It's almost as if scientific and technological advancement were nil during thousands of years. Of course, once you get to the point of intergalactic travel as a quick commute, maybe there's just not much more to do.

From what I understand, in the time since the Old Republic to the current movie era, after ages of war, technology kinda stagnated until development of the Death Star. Like lost to them were things like the Star Forges, which were these massive, asteroid built factories powered by stars that could build entire armies or armadas in minutes.

I haven't read much of the EU so I don't know how much of the canon stuff changed that though.


The Star Forge was a product of the Infinite Empire. It was ancient before the Galactic Republic even existed. In SWTOR game there are droids that are basically the equivalent of Jedi knights. There are cloaking fields and deployable shields for gunmen. The armor troopers wear actually works to protect them! The only difference is some things look a little more steam punk, like the astro-mech droids obviously look outdated. Other than design SWTOR tech looks to be on par with the Clone Wars even though it is 3,000 years in the past. By the time of the Battle of Yavin you don't even see droids in combat. Although, it is evident by Luke's cybernetic hand that some tech has advanced, other things like single seat star fighters do not seem to have advanced at all.

Am I just blind to the changes? Or is it tough to draw parallels because Earth history is the only reference point available. Theoretically, this is a galaxy full of advanced species that sometimes work together for the common good. How is it that technology does not advance for thousands of years?
 
2012-02-24 06:03:29 PM

Darth_Lukecash: /clone wars is pretty cool


Maybe it is; maybe it isn't. But the one time I tried watching, I turned it on, saw one of those stupid droids saying "Roger Roger," facepalmed and turned it off.

/battle droids are almost as annoying as Jar Jar
 
2012-02-24 06:14:04 PM

A_Listless_Wanderer: Darth_Lukecash: /clone wars is pretty cool

Maybe it is; maybe it isn't. But the one time I tried watching, I turned it on, saw one of those stupid droids saying "Roger Roger," facepalmed and turned it off.

/battle droids are almost as annoying as Jar Jar


You're missing out. It's still George Lucas's universe, but the writers are smarter than him. You shouldn't have turned it off -- they use his stuff but subvert it as much as they can get away with. Jar-Jar still shows up too sometimes and he's sort of funny now.
 
2012-02-24 06:14:38 PM

chuggernaught: Codenamechaz: chuggernaught: To the best of my knowledge, Darth Maul did not appear during the Clone Wars which started during Episode II. So he could not rejoin the battle.

I play Star Wars: The Old Republic. It bothers me a little that it takes place roughly 3,000 years before Luke and Vader, but the technology is almost the same. It's almost as if scientific and technological advancement were nil during thousands of years. Of course, once you get to the point of intergalactic travel as a quick commute, maybe there's just not much more to do.

From what I understand, in the time since the Old Republic to the current movie era, after ages of war, technology kinda stagnated until development of the Death Star. Like lost to them were things like the Star Forges, which were these massive, asteroid built factories powered by stars that could build entire armies or armadas in minutes.

I haven't read much of the EU so I don't know how much of the canon stuff changed that though.

The Star Forge was a product of the Infinite Empire. It was ancient before the Galactic Republic even existed. In SWTOR game there are droids that are basically the equivalent of Jedi knights. There are cloaking fields and deployable shields for gunmen. The armor troopers wear actually works to protect them! The only difference is some things look a little more steam punk, like the astro-mech droids obviously look outdated. Other than design SWTOR tech looks to be on par with the Clone Wars even though it is 3,000 years in the past. By the time of the Battle of Yavin you don't even see droids in combat. Although, it is evident by Luke's cybernetic hand that some tech has advanced, other things like single seat star fighters do not seem to have advanced at all.

Am I just blind to the changes? Or is it tough to draw parallels because Earth history is the only reference point available. Theoretically, this is a galaxy full of advanced species that sometimes work together for the common ...


I know some of it comes from that SWKOTOR angle of a galaxy handed technology rather than developing it over time and so they are more into using it than developing it. There does actually also seem to be a movement toward degradation of the people, the tech, etc. from the Old Republic to Luke's era. In SWKOTOR they discuss how much more in touch with the Force ancient Jedi and Sith Masters were, how much better their blade work was, etc. The tech often times in that storyline was described as being interwoven with the Force, and so possibly as fewer Force-specialists existed and as the ancient writings were destroyed in the ongoing wars (KOTOR2 shows that the Jedi Archives were essentially obliterated and they had already lost a lot in the Mandalorian Wars), the technology actually starts to slide backwards.

I also get the impression that there become more and more resource issues, in part as the Empire consumes so much of the sector's goods for massive Star Destroyers and Death Stars. It seems like we are actually witnessing a galactic civilization in slow decline. Maybe that's one possible idea why outside of small individual contributions, by and large the technology either seems to have not advanced or even slid backwards.
 
2012-02-24 06:19:44 PM

chuggernaught: Am I just blind to the changes? Or is it tough to draw parallels because Earth history is the only reference point available. Theoretically, this is a galaxy full of advanced species that sometimes work together for the common good. How is it that technology does not advance for thousands of years?


It's extraordinarily difficult to draw parallels to Earth, simply because the situation is so different. Until this last century, information traveled on the hoof, new technology was built by hand (literally) and people only saw new innovations at things like Worlds Fairs. We had a tech explosion unprecedented in human history, and we're used to tech moving at incredible speeds.

But imagine, if you will, that instead of new things having to go from one side of the planet to another, having to go from one end of the galaxy to another. Sure, there are fast ships, and eventually a holonet, but it's still not as fast as tech travels here. Now add in that while on Earth there are hundreds of languages, in Star Wars there are hundreds of thousands if not millions. Everything has to be translated. And it's not just words - some species don't verbally communicate. Now, consider that Earth, or rather, western culture, went through a Dark Age brought on primarily by religion...and multiply that by all the various possible religions in a galaxy worth of planets. What if, for example, an anti-droid faction springs up? There's a few novels about that, in fact.

Finally, consider that at some point certain technologies reach what is essentially an end point for differentiated design. Take cars for example. In general, a car fifty years ago and one today share the same basic design. Oh, the systems in a new car are certainly newer and better, but it's still four wheels, doors, steering wheel, engine, etc. Same would apply for star ships - engines, cockpit, landing gear, etc. It's just basic design - you have to have certain things - so while the engines in the Millennium Falcon are a lot more advanced than those on the Ebon Hawk, the two ships visually look similar because there's only so much you can do with ship design. (Also, of course, it's a marketing thing to make people feel familiar with the product...meaning real life, Star Wars fans).
 
2012-02-24 06:33:00 PM

Dr. Whoof: Finally, consider that at some point certain technologies reach what is essentially an end point for differentiated design. Take cars for example. In general, a car fifty years ago and one today share the same basic design. Oh, the systems in a new car are certainly newer and better, but it's still four wheels, doors, steering wheel, engine, etc. Same would apply for star ships - engines, cockpit, landing gear, etc. It's just basic design - you have to have certain things - so while the engines in the Millennium Falcon are a lot more advanced than those on the Ebon Hawk, the two ships visually look similar because there's only so much you can do with ship design. (Also, of course, it's a marketing thing to make people feel familiar with the product...meaning real life, Star Wars fans).


This equates to a real-life phenomenon called "lock-in", people get comfortable that an approach will work every time, and it takes much more effort and energy to redesign the wheel than to just make it shinier. As such, you see an end design that varies little from the original like in your car analogy. See the Leviathan from KOTOR and you are looking at the cruiser and Star Destroyer base designs.

You final point I think could also hold up in-universe. It could be like a brand loyalty thing. Smugglers have been using Ebon Hawk style ships and trust that design to do what they need to do, and so manufacturers cater to it. Inhabitants have come to fear the Leviathan style design since it was laying waste to planets in the Old Republic, and so any group wanting to inspire obedience and loyalty plays on this pre-built in mental association.
 
2012-02-24 07:21:58 PM

Confabulat: A_Listless_Wanderer: Darth_Lukecash: /clone wars is pretty cool

Maybe it is; maybe it isn't. But the one time I tried watching, I turned it on, saw one of those stupid droids saying "Roger Roger," facepalmed and turned it off.

/battle droids are almost as annoying as Jar Jar

You're missing out. It's still George Lucas's universe, but the writers are smarter than him. You shouldn't have turned it off -- they use his stuff but subvert it as much as they can get away with. Jar-Jar still shows up too sometimes and he's sort of funny now.


And, astonishingly, his daughter is a better writer than George ever was. This was particularly evident in the Nightsisters story arc last season, when she played with Ventress's backstory but was still able to work with the backstory Ventress had already been given in the EU without contradicting anything.

And she's writing the upcoming Darth Maul episodes. *fanboy excitement*
 
2012-02-24 07:38:39 PM

chuggernaught: To the best of my knowledge, Darth Maul did not appear during the Clone Wars which started during Episode II. So he could not rejoin the battle.

I play Star Wars: The Old Republic. It bothers me a little that it takes place roughly 3,000 years before Luke and Vader, but the technology is almost the same. It's almost as if scientific and technological advancement were nil during thousands of years. Of course, once you get to the point of intergalactic travel as a quick commute, maybe there's just not much more to do.



Because Star Wars is fundamentally a fantasy story and like most fantasy stories is trapped in its own version of Medieval Stasis?
 
2012-02-24 07:44:58 PM
Yoda advertises instant noodles in Japan, and THIS is a cheap cash-in?

Okay then.
 
2012-02-24 07:45:51 PM

Sybarite: chuggernaught: To the best of my knowledge, Darth Maul did not appear during the Clone Wars which started during Episode II. So he could not rejoin the battle.

I play Star Wars: The Old Republic. It bothers me a little that it takes place roughly 3,000 years before Luke and Vader, but the technology is almost the same. It's almost as if scientific and technological advancement were nil during thousands of years. Of course, once you get to the point of intergalactic travel as a quick commute, maybe there's just not much more to do.


Because Star Wars is fundamentally a fantasy story and like most fantasy stories is trapped in its own version of Medieval Stasis?


Thanks Lt. Buzzkill.....
 
2012-02-24 09:21:06 PM
Star Wars doesn't progress technologically because constant technological progress leads to a Vingean Singularity. Star Trek is functionally the same - very little difference between TOS and TNG.

Also as William Gibson is wont to say "SF reflects the future of the time it is written" - Heinlein and Asimov's ideas of the future seem pretty quaint today (remember in Second Foundation when the girl was excited about something the size of a hatbox that could record her voice and output it to a printer and that it was meant to be something so advanced that the Galactic Empire - 30K years from now - hadn't been able to create but the scientists of Terminus had nailed it?)

Star Wars is the future of the 70's - and is always stuck in the future of the 70's. You won't get nano-bots or the sort of singularity weapons that turn up in the SF of Alastair Reynolds or Peter F Hamilton..
 
2012-02-24 09:35:47 PM

Leo Bloom's Freakout:
I like that. It's well thought out, and imaginative


Dr. Whoof:

Which "dark age" are you referring to specifically? There's been a few, depending on whom you ask. If you mean the dark age following the fall of Rome, can it really be argued that it was cause solely by a relgion? I've always read that there were many factors that led to the weakening of the empire over many decades. Some (Irish scholars most often) would even point out that it was Christian monks that saved many of the Latin works for posterity.


Sybarite:

Because Star Wars is fundamentally a fantasy story and like most fantasy stories is trapped in its own version of Medieval Stasis?


2/10 Gave you 2 points because Medieval Stasis sounds like a workable band name.
 
2012-02-24 09:47:17 PM
Episodes I and II were awful (I liked III), but this series does a damn fine job. I'm not a regular viewer, but I did see the lead up to this, with Maul's brother and the Dathomiri witches. It was a great story and well produced. Much as I still dislike TPM, Darth Maul was cool enough that I'll be sure to see him again.
 
2012-02-24 11:18:46 PM
Katie Lucas is the writer of this whole Nightsister/Nightbrother/Darth Maul arc last season and now. Has the apprentice surpassed her master?
 
2012-02-24 11:33:39 PM

Nem Wan: Katie Lucas is the writer of this whole Nightsister/Nightbrother/Darth Maul arc last season and now. Has the apprentice surpassed her master?


I commented on that a few posts up. Copy/paste:


And, astonishingly, his daughter is a better writer than George ever was. This was particularly evident in the Nightsisters story arc last season, when she played with Ventress's backstory but was still able to work with the backstory Ventress had already been given in the EU without contradicting anything.

And she's writing the upcoming Darth Maul episodes. *fanboy excitement*
 
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