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(Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)   Judge fines woman $730,000 for code violations in building she bought for $32,000   (post-gazette.com) divider line 48
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2012-02-24 09:11:44 AM
Records showed that Ms. Edgos and a second person bought the building in 1979 for $32,000

1979? Think she should have had a little more time to get things squared away?
 
2012-02-24 09:26:26 AM
She was a slumlord.

They didn't fine some old ladies home, but the apartment building she was letting rot around her tenants.
 
2012-02-24 09:35:52 AM

Bunnyhat: She was a slumlord.

They didn't fine some old ladies home, but the apartment building she was letting rot around her tenants.


I have to wonder how expensive it would be to pick up the trash and install some smoke detectors.
 
2012-02-24 10:56:23 AM
Or if you prefer a more accurate headline, "Judge throws the book at slumlord".
 
2012-02-24 11:06:55 AM
Misleading headline is misleading.
 
2012-02-24 11:13:42 AM

cgraves67: Misleading headline is misleading.

Yes, but not surprising. I lucked out with the building I lived in when I was a student (the owner's parents lived in the apartment below mine, so things got fixed in a hurry). The whole neighborhood is littered with slumlords who are either out-of-state and can't be reached if there's a problem, or who are waiting for Pitt to buy them out.
There were families there once upon a time, but they disappeared even before I left.
 
2012-02-24 11:13:54 AM

cgraves67: Misleading headline is misleading.


How is the headline misleading? It looks to me like it covers the facts without distortion.
 
2012-02-24 11:14:05 AM
Needs a Hero tag. The judge did it for a reason.

the code violations are serious

Building was a P.O.S.

he mainly wants the landlord's commitment to address violations... But he said Ms. Edgos wasn't cooperative or remorseful.

Slumlord biatch had no intention of fixing a damn thing. Didn't take the court or being a landlord seriously. That's a problem.

Often, a Common Pleas judge will reduce fines if the owner has made progress on correcting violations.

So the judge gave her a choice. Fix it up or pay $730,000. How much you wanna bet she takes fixing it up seriously now?
 
2012-02-24 11:15:15 AM
Bought for $32000 in 1979, Subby. You may have noticed that housing prices have gone up since then.
 
2012-02-24 11:15:32 AM

Bunnyhat: She was a slumlord.

They didn't fine some old ladies home, but the apartment building she was letting rot around her tenants.


Exactly. Slumlords deserve big fines. This one got one.
 
2012-02-24 11:17:59 AM
She should just reclassify herself as a bank.
 
2012-02-24 11:19:47 AM

honk: cgraves67: Misleading headline is misleading.

How is the headline misleading? It looks to me like it covers the facts without distortion.


It covers selective facts, which distorts the actual situation. Namely missing, that the property was purchased over 30 years ago, and that it is an apartment building. It changes the entire tone of the headline.
 
2012-02-24 11:20:20 AM

St_Francis_P: Bunnyhat: She was a slumlord.

They didn't fine some old ladies home, but the apartment building she was letting rot around her tenants.

I have to wonder how expensive it would be to pick up the trash and install some smoke detectors.



I'll do it for 10 grand. =)
thow in another 10 grand and I'll even put up the "illuminated exit signs"
 
2012-02-24 11:20:26 AM

doctorguilty: cgraves67: Misleading headline is misleading.
Yes, but not surprising. I lucked out with the building I lived in when I was a student (the owner's parents lived in the apartment below mine, so things got fixed in a hurry). The whole neighborhood is littered with slumlords who are either out-of-state and can't be reached if there's a problem, or who are waiting for Pitt to buy them out.
There were families there once upon a time, but they disappeared even before I left.


Or who live in Squirrel Hill. I used to live right around the corner from this place years ago and although I don't remember it specifically I'm sure I walked by it.

Farking slumlords are taking advantage of college students and doing their best to stay under the radar of code enforcement.

/paid $300 a month with a roommate in a no-bedroom apartment. Well, there were 2 bedrooms but one was supposed to be a living room and the other had been carved up from when our apartment was actually half of the apartment next to us.
//I remember going to the state store on Centre with handfuls of change more than once. ($4 per gallon of wino-grade wine)
 
2012-02-24 11:21:02 AM

Theaetetus: Bought for $32000 in 1979, Subby. You may have noticed that housing prices have gone up since then.


And then down.

The house I rent was built in 81, sold for 164k. Sold again in late 90s for 238k... now valued at 98k.

Orange county appraisal website tells me this as well as all my neighbors, etc.
 
2012-02-24 11:21:34 AM
I'm failing to see the problem with a lack of curtains in some windows, and empty trash receptacles in the yard.
 
2012-02-24 11:22:40 AM
Asked about the missing smoke alarms, Judge Ricciardi said, Ms. Edgos indicated that she delivered a box of them for tenants to share.

"I found that testimony lacking, seriously lacking," he said. "You just can't deliver a box of smoke alarms."



What a bunch of ungrateful whining tenants. Geez, does the landlord have to do everything? Next thing you know they will start demanding hot water and working door locks.
 
2012-02-24 11:29:16 AM
If she'd bought Apple stock instead...
 
2012-02-24 11:35:49 AM
got no sympathy for a slumlord...and subby, it was $32k in 1979, not today's dollar. big diff.
 
2012-02-24 11:36:36 AM
1 percenter problems with a 99 percenter income.
 
2012-02-24 11:50:46 AM
I guess we'll have to conclude that this LiberalTM judge is legislating from the bench and wants to take away our right to be slum lords.

Did I get that right Tea Party?
 
2012-02-24 11:53:54 AM
"The fine is significant because the code violations are serious," Judge Ricciardi said after the hearing. The city's Bureau of Building Inspection filed a criminal complaint alleging 10 violations, including broken windows, holes in the foundation, "trash and debris throughout" the property, a lack of smoke detectors and illuminated exit signs, deteriorating chimney mortar and loose bricks."

Hey....that sounds just like my house...
 
2012-02-24 11:56:05 AM
Oh for the love of... Guys, this is not hyperbole. I live down the block right now. A burnt out building across the street was finally demolished last month... finally.

/moving at the end of the month
 
2012-02-24 11:56:34 AM
"Judge fines woman $10,000 for driving the wrong way on a highway in a car she bought for $2,000"
 
2012-02-24 12:04:53 PM

St_Francis_P: Bunnyhat: She was a slumlord.

They didn't fine some old ladies home, but the apartment building she was letting rot around her tenants.

I have to wonder how expensive it would be to pick up the trash and install some smoke detectors.


I'm an electrician: for the smoke detectors? Even without an existing circuit, we can install battery-types in every bedroom on each floor in the stairwell, and in the kitchen for under $200, easily. especially if the homeowner provides them.
 
2012-02-24 12:07:38 PM
$32,000 in 1979 was about how much a luxury car cost (a mercedes, for example).

If we adjust for inflation, that same building today should be valued at $110,000. Less depreciation, of course.
 
2012-02-24 12:26:32 PM
Pittsburgh has an automatic dealth penalty for an auto license plate with any dents, rust, or smudges.

If she fixed the violations, her taxes would go up I'm sure. She does need to incorporate as a bank then she can spend half as much on the judge and have no liability.
 
2012-02-24 12:42:10 PM
I just finished this Flash fallback audio player for a client's video game. Anyone want me to take pictures of the neighborhood to post here? I have a bit of time before I decompress. Damn browsers and their differing embedded media bullshiat.

I live in one of the nicer houses right now - a 3 story bit with a full basement, 2.5 baths, vaulted ceilings in the enormous living room and gathering hall, and a huge foyer where everything but my bed and computer are being stored to the side, with enough room left for accepting visitors, for this last week - but the foundation is so sunk that the doors are all a bit crooked and even multiple metal beam supports inches apart can't hide the sagging floors that you can feel with each step.
 
2012-02-24 01:20:54 PM
I remember parties in that place 15 years ago. The place was a shiathole then, too.
 
2012-02-24 01:36:45 PM

deadtom: I remember parties in that place 15 years ago. The place was a shiathole then, too.


What are you doing tonight? Wanna party?
 
2012-02-24 01:43:13 PM
The real question is, does the fine exceed rents recieved minus taxes and anything she has spent keeping the property up (which apparently isn't much). If it does, then it's unreasonable.
 
2012-02-24 02:05:54 PM

Thallone1: The real question is, does the fine exceed rents recieved minus taxes and anything she has spent keeping the property up (which apparently isn't much). If it does, then it's unreasonable.


Why would that be unreasonable? Holes in the foundation, crumbling brickwork and no smoke alarms means that she was quite happy to put her tenant's lives at risk to avoid having to spend any money. The fine for something like that should always be more than the profit that was made.
 
2012-02-24 02:09:21 PM
I am a Pittsburgh landlord so I have to side with the my sister here. You guys have no idea what it's like to walk the thin green line collecting rent checks monthly. One wrong move and I could end up having to provide heating or fix a broken fire escape. I just want to get back home after my monthly shift to my wife and kids and then take them to Aruba, or somewhere warm.
 
2012-02-24 02:24:34 PM

internut scholar: I am a Pittsburgh landlord so I have to side with the my sister here. You guys have no idea what it's like to walk the thin green line collecting rent checks monthly. One wrong move and I could end up having to provide heating or fix a broken fire escape. I just want to get back home after my monthly shift to my wife and kids and then take them to Aruba, or somewhere warm.


So much this. I have had more than one absent landlord.
 
2012-02-24 02:25:53 PM

Thats No Moose: "Judge fines woman $10,000 for driving the wrong way on a highway in a car she bought for $2,000"


"Judge fines woman $10,000 for shooting someone with a gun she bought for $300"


Seriously, what difference does it make how much she bought the building for?

It actually kind of makes sense that the cheaper the property, the more likely it will need bigger fixes and, therefore, the higher the fines would be if those fixes weren't made.
 
Skr
2012-02-24 02:44:29 PM
If the house has been in such ill repair for an extended amount of time, and bad enough to incite a $730,000 fine... she might just be better off demolishing the P.O.S..
 
2012-02-24 03:09:12 PM
Couldn't she evict everyone who isn't on a lease and buy out anyone else who is. Then demolish the place, have it cleaned up and then sold and still come out ahead to avoid the fines?
 
2012-02-24 03:18:36 PM

internut scholar: I am a Pittsburgh landlord so I have to side with the my sister here. You guys have no idea what it's like to walk the thin green line collecting rent checks monthly. One wrong move and I could end up having to provide heating or fix a broken fire escape. I just want to get back home after my monthly shift to my wife and kids and then take them to Aruba, or somewhere warm.


Bravo. +1
 
2012-02-24 04:12:21 PM

Hoblit: Couldn't she evict everyone who isn't on a lease and buy out anyone else who is. Then demolish the place, have it cleaned up and then sold and still come out ahead to avoid the fines?


Fines were for years of neglect, I don't think they vanish when selling the property.
-Pix
 
2012-02-24 04:39:55 PM
Well after the owner throws $730,000 into the city's money hole there should be lots left over to fix up the building.
 
2012-02-24 04:58:45 PM

GORDON: Well after the owner throws $730,000 into the city's money hole there should be lots left over to fix up the building.


After all these years of studied neglect, I doubt any fixing up was or is going to take place at the agency of Ms. Edgos.
 
2012-02-24 05:58:57 PM
Kudos to the judge.. too bad we don't have similar authorities in my town (known to be one of the ugliest in the province). So many slum landlords have unsightly and dangerous buildings around here.

One old building near our dog park is actually leaning considerably... the city must have slapped them with some fines because they started to put new siding on it. Its pretty sad to see that new siding on a building thats leaning 20 degrees. Then they got lazy and didn't finish after completing only two sides. Makes me so sad to know that families live in such conditions, and embarrassed for my city to see the tour buses drive by it. The whole area is bad, but the leaning tower takes the cake.

Slum landlords taking advantage of people who can't afford much makes me sick. Keep giving them fines until they clean up their act or are forced to sell to someone who will make things safer.
 
2012-02-24 06:09:01 PM

Happy Hours: doctorguilty: cgraves67: Misleading headline is misleading.
Yes, but not surprising. I lucked out with the building I lived in when I was a student (the owner's parents lived in the apartment below mine, so things got fixed in a hurry). The whole neighborhood is littered with slumlords who are either out-of-state and can't be reached if there's a problem, or who are waiting for Pitt to buy them out.
There were families there once upon a time, but they disappeared even before I left.

Or who live in Squirrel Hill. I used to live right around the corner from this place years ago and although I don't remember it specifically I'm sure I walked by it.

Farking slumlords are taking advantage of college students and doing their best to stay under the radar of code enforcement.

/paid $300 a month with a roommate in a no-bedroom apartment. Well, there were 2 bedrooms but one was supposed to be a living room and the other had been carved up from when our apartment was actually half of the apartment next to us.
//I remember going to the state store on Centre with handfuls of change more than once. ($4 per gallon of wino-grade wine)


That makes me so sad. I hope you are doing well for yourself now. I was so lucky to have parents who could kick in for rent when my student loan money would run out (as it always did) so I was able to live in half decent places while in school.

I did have one landlady for a total of two weeks who would invite herself into my apartment while I was at school and turn off all the heat in the middle of a northern Canadian winter. Fortunately I moved out right away and my school found accommodations for me in the dorms since it was an emergency to get me out of there. biatch kept my damage deposit though.

fark shiatty landlords.
 
2012-02-24 06:41:37 PM

Fool_Marquis: St_Francis_P: Bunnyhat: She was a slumlord.

They didn't fine some old ladies home, but the apartment building she was letting rot around her tenants.

I have to wonder how expensive it would be to pick up the trash and install some smoke detectors.

I'm an electrician: for the smoke detectors? Even without an existing circuit, we can install battery-types in every bedroom on each floor in the stairwell, and in the kitchen for under $200, easily. especially if the homeowner provides them.


Why would you give away your work?
 
2012-02-24 09:02:20 PM

St_Francis_P:

1979? Think she should have had a little more time to get things squared away?


1979. Cool kids never have the time.
 
2012-02-25 01:55:18 AM
I have no patience for this sort of crap. Leave the poor building owner and tenants alone. It is the owners building. If she wants to have holes in the floor, no smoke detectors and ladders next to the chimney that is her business. It obviously doesnt bother the tenants either since they havent moved out, or maybe they have. Either way, "problem" solved. If you dont like the building you are living in, well then move out. Dont like the property and thinks its a hazard? Easy solution: dont enter that property. This isnt rocket science folks.
 
2012-02-25 08:53:14 AM

Ima4nic8or: I have no patience for this sort of crap. Leave the poor building owner and tenants alone. It is the owners building. If she wants to have holes in the floor, no smoke detectors and ladders next to the chimney that is her business. It obviously doesnt bother the tenants either since they havent moved out, or maybe they have. Either way, "problem" solved. If you dont like the building you are living in, well then move out. Dont like the property and thinks its a hazard? Easy solution: dont enter that property. This isnt rocket science folks.


Probably just stupid and not troll.
 
2012-02-26 03:52:00 AM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Why would that be unreasonable? Holes in the foundation, crumbling brickwork and no smoke alarms means that she was quite happy to put her tenant's lives at risk to avoid having to spend any money. The fine for something like that should always be more than the profit that was made.


Of course, those tenants are also apparently willing to "put their lives at risk". They live there because the rent is cheap. They *could* move someplace else, pay a higher rent, and live in a nicer place. But they are poor, and they want the lowest rent they can find, and they are willing to live in that house.

She's being charged $200,000 because she doesn't have lighted exit signs. I've *never* lived in a house or apartment that had a lighted exit sign. I can't imagine why anyone would need one in their own home. If you live there, you know where the door is. So that $200,000 fine (and another $200,000 fine for no smoke detectors, a problem that can be fixed for a couple of hundred bucks) makes me think that the rest of it is bullshiat too.
 
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