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(CNN)   T-Mobile loses 700,000 customers under contract because it doesn't sell the iPhone. They were all individuals   (money.cnn.com) divider line 94
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2012-02-24 04:18:57 AM  
IMHO, T-Mobile's Samsung Galaxy S II is as good as or better than the iPhone.
 
2012-02-24 04:23:54 AM  
And because those f*cking f*ckbags hobbled UMA on all their new phones. With no UMA, they are just a smaller carrier with less coverage. With it, they have a competitive edge and a feature that distinguishes them from the other people.
 
2012-02-24 09:03:45 AM  
I'm not.
 
2012-02-24 09:16:46 AM  
Considering that AT&T, Sprint and Verizon all reported that subsidizing the iPhone destroyed their profits for the last couple of years, I don't know if losing 700,000 was that big of a loss for T-Mobile.
 
2012-02-24 10:06:41 AM  

RexTalionis: Considering that AT&T, Sprint and Verizon all reported that subsidizing the iPhone destroyed their profits for the last couple of years, I don't know if losing 700,000 was that big of a loss for T-Mobile.


Is there a precedent for this happening in some industry? People DEMANDING a product that makes a company significantly less money, en masse, and essentially boycotting those vendors who won't sell it?
 
2012-02-24 11:03:53 AM  
It's not the Messiah phone, it's a very naughty handset.
 
2012-02-24 11:05:16 AM  

RexTalionis: Considering that AT&T, Sprint and Verizon all reported that subsidizing the iPhone destroyed their profits for the last couple of years, I don't know if losing 700,000 was that big of a loss for T-Mobile.


It's specifically the iPhone subsidies? Not the explosion in smartphones in general, which all carry high rates of subsidization?
 
2012-02-24 11:05:22 AM  
I'm currently sitting in a huge data center in Dallas, Texas, posting to Fark from my iPhone on T-Mobile so I'm getting a kick out of etc etc...
 
2012-02-24 11:07:01 AM  
"It hurts to be the only national carrier that doesn't sell the iPhone."

Is U.S. Cellular not a national carrier? They don't carry the iPhone either.
 
2012-02-24 11:07:10 AM  
What The Cloud looks like:

i.imgur.com

I don't know why something that noisy is called cloud though.
 
2012-02-24 11:08:49 AM  

LasersHurt: RexTalionis: Considering that AT&T, Sprint and Verizon all reported that subsidizing the iPhone destroyed their profits for the last couple of years, I don't know if losing 700,000 was that big of a loss for T-Mobile.

It's specifically the iPhone subsidies? Not the explosion in smartphones in general, which all carry high rates of subsidization?


CNN - The iPhone is a nightmare for carriers:

The price of Apple's (AAPL, Fortune 500) iconic smartphone is heavily discounted by carriers. Those subsidies almost single-handedly devastate profit margins for Verizon, AT&T and Sprint.
 
2012-02-24 11:09:02 AM  
Most of the people I know that left T-mobile last year did so due to the then pending buyout from AT&T mostly heading to Sprint(even pre-iPhone) or some sort of prepaid.
 
2012-02-24 11:13:17 AM  

bsharitt: Most of the people I know that left T-mobile last year did so due to the then pending buyout from AT&T mostly heading to Sprint(even pre-iPhone) or some sort of prepaid.


This.

Although one person left because T-Mo dicked him over a dozen times (in a row!) over a billing error on their side.

But yeah, other friends left because they initially signed on with T-Mo to get *away* from AWS. As soon as they heard of the buyout attempt, they bailed to Sprint.
 
2012-02-24 11:14:08 AM  

SJKebab: I'm not.


SH!
 
2012-02-24 11:14:29 AM  

RexTalionis: Considering that AT&T, Sprint and Verizon all reported that subsidizing the iPhone destroyed their profits for the last couple of years, I don't know if losing 700,000 was that big of a loss for T-Mobile.


And spending cubic Fark-tons of money on expanding network capacity didn't have anything to do with it what-so-ever.
 
2012-02-24 11:15:27 AM  

RexTalionis: LasersHurt: RexTalionis: Considering that AT&T, Sprint and Verizon all reported that subsidizing the iPhone destroyed their profits for the last couple of years, I don't know if losing 700,000 was that big of a loss for T-Mobile.

It's specifically the iPhone subsidies? Not the explosion in smartphones in general, which all carry high rates of subsidization?

CNN - The iPhone is a nightmare for carriers:

The price of Apple's (AAPL, Fortune 500) iconic smartphone is heavily discounted by carriers. Those subsidies almost single-handedly devastate profit margins for Verizon, AT&T and Sprint.


I have a hard time taking that article at face value - it's the highest subsidy, but far from the only one. In fact if it's 40% more expensive to sign up an iPhone user, but they sign up x% more android users, does that matter?

I don't doubt it's got the highest subsidies, but it's not the only phone on the market. It's not even the biggest market share. The premise stinks of smartphones in general causing the issue, but the iPhone getting singled out because it's the largest subsidy.

Does any of this matter? No. Not in the slightest. But it's interesting to think about.
 
2012-02-24 11:16:03 AM  

1macgeek: expanding network capacity


Dude, I always thought you were funny, but this earned you a favoritin'.
 
2012-02-24 11:20:03 AM  
Because people rush like lemmings into the flavor of the day?
 
2012-02-24 11:23:00 AM  

RexTalionis: 1macgeek: expanding network capacity

Dude, I always thought you were funny, but this earned you a favoritin'.


No kidding... That's some quality BS right there.

/used to work for AWS
 
2012-02-24 11:23:14 AM  
I figured it was because they were fleeing a potential AT&T merger.
 
2012-02-24 11:26:11 AM  
I think that T-Mobile not offering the iPhone is a selling point.. Far less douchebags hogging bandwidth.

The Galaxy II s rocks! Friends with iPhone are jelly..
 
2012-02-24 11:29:38 AM  
So the remaining T-Mobile customers have less competition for bandwidth? Win for them!
 
2012-02-24 11:38:52 AM  

RexTalionis: Considering that AT&T, Sprint and Verizon all reported that subsidizing the iPhone destroyed their profits for the last couple of years, I don't know if losing 700,000 was that big of a loss for T-Mobile.


You've hit on it -- each carrier is just looking for a way to blame their own shortcomings on Apple.

We offer the iPhone? Well, our profitability's down because support costs are high for iPhone users.

We don't offer the iPhone? Well, our profitability's down because we don't have any revenue from iPhone users.
 
2012-02-24 11:40:27 AM  

1macgeek: RexTalionis: Considering that AT&T, Sprint and Verizon all reported that subsidizing the iPhone destroyed their profits for the last couple of years, I don't know if losing 700,000 was that big of a loss for T-Mobile.

And spending cubic Fark-tons of money on expanding network capacity didn't have anything to do with it what-so-ever.


Did they finally get around to that?
 
2012-02-24 11:40:33 AM  

1macgeek: RexTalionis: Considering that AT&T, Sprint and Verizon all reported that subsidizing the iPhone destroyed their profits for the last couple of years, I don't know if losing 700,000 was that big of a loss for T-Mobile.

And spending cubic Fark-tons of money on expanding network capacity didn't have anything to do with it what-so-ever.


That would lower thier cash flow, but not the net income since tower construction and network upgrades can be capitalized.
 
2012-02-24 11:41:18 AM  

BarleyGnome: I think that T-Mobile not offering the iPhone is a selling point.. Far less douchebags hogging bandwidth.

The Galaxy II s rocks! Friends with iPhone are jelly..


This. I heart my Cyanogen-modded S2
 
2012-02-24 11:42:35 AM  

1macgeek: RexTalionis: Considering that AT&T, Sprint and Verizon all reported that subsidizing the iPhone destroyed their profits for the last couple of years, I don't know if losing 700,000 was that big of a loss for T-Mobile.

And spend-ing cub-ic Fark-tons of money on ex-pand-ing net-work capacity did-n't have any-thing to do with it what-so-ever-.

 
2012-02-24 11:43:40 AM  

Kuroshin: RexTalionis: 1macgeek: expanding network capacity

Dude, I always thought you were funny, but this earned you a favoritin'.

No kidding... That's some quality BS right there.

/used to work for AWS


So all this LTE deployment is just coming out of nowhere?
 
2012-02-24 11:52:47 AM  
RexTalionis

Considering that AT&T, Sprint and Verizon all reported that subsidizing the iPhone destroyed their profits for the last couple of years, I don't know if losing 700,000 was that big of a loss for T-Mobile.

I think it is more accurate it is destroying their profit projections. AT&T / VZW are not going broke by subsidizing the iPhone they are just not getting the profit margin then they had hoped.
 
2012-02-24 11:54:12 AM  
I'll stick with Android thank you very much. My G2 works just fine. The only complaint I have is so few people are making phones with a physical keyboard now with adding on all of the suck-ass skins. Give me plain Android and screw your custom "experience".
 
2012-02-24 12:03:53 PM  
Samsung Galaxy S II >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iphone
 
2012-02-24 12:05:35 PM  
Been with T-mobile for (gasp!) 12 years. Got an unlocked iPhone about a year ago, put my SIM card in and it works just fine. Not sure what the moran who wrote this article is talking about. iPhones work on their network. And I am glad to see 700K people are now off the rolls. More bandwidth for me and the 10 other people that are still with T-Mobile.
 
2012-02-24 12:07:41 PM  

farkyeahmfers: Been with T-mobile for (gasp!) 12 years. Got an unlocked iPhone about a year ago, put my SIM card in and it works just fine. Not sure what the moran who wrote this article is talking about. iPhones work on their network. And I am glad to see 700K people are now off the rolls. More bandwidth for me and the 10 other people that are still with T-Mobile.


Having data connections faster than EDGE is important for many people.
 
2012-02-24 12:08:10 PM  

Dogfacedgod: Samsung Galaxy S II >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iphone


Honest question, not looking to start a flame war:

What makes the Galaxy S II better than the iPhone 4S?

I've never really had the chance to look at Android- What does it do better than iOS? What does it do worse?
 
2012-02-24 12:16:58 PM  
How do they know it was just the lack of iPhone that caused the loss. Could very well have been that the potential AT&T merger soured people to T-Mobile. I waited until I knew the merger was dead before I replaced my T-Mobile phone with a new version.

/ $30 per month no contract; 5Gb of 4G ; unlimited text; 100min talk.
 
2012-02-24 12:19:12 PM  

Archimedes' Principal: How do they know it was just the lack of iPhone that caused the loss. Could very well have been that the potential AT&T merger soured people to T-Mobile. I waited until I knew the merger was dead before I replaced my T-Mobile phone with a new version.

/ $30 per month no contract; 5Gb of 4G ; unlimited text; 100min talk.


What's the per minute cost if you go over?
 
2012-02-24 12:19:20 PM  

Ardilla: Dogfacedgod: Samsung Galaxy S II >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iphone

Honest question, not looking to start a flame war:

What makes the Galaxy S II better than the iPhone 4S?

I've never really had the chance to look at Android- What does it do better than iOS? What does it do worse?


Do not expect a reasonable and fair analysis of the merits of either platform.
 
2012-02-24 12:24:47 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Archimedes' Principal: How do they know it was just the lack of iPhone that caused the loss. Could very well have been that the potential AT&T merger soured people to T-Mobile. I waited until I knew the merger was dead before I replaced my T-Mobile phone with a new version.

/ $30 per month no contract; 5Gb of 4G ; unlimited text; 100min talk.

What's the per minute cost if you go over?


10 cents per minute for call time overage. Everything else unlimited. Can only be done online through T-Mobile.com or at a Walmart.

It's one of their 4G plans Here's the link (new window)
 
2012-02-24 12:24:53 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Archimedes' Principal: How do they know it was just the lack of iPhone that caused the loss. Could very well have been that the potential AT&T merger soured people to T-Mobile. I waited until I knew the merger was dead before I replaced my T-Mobile phone with a new version.

/ $30 per month no contract; 5Gb of 4G ; unlimited text; 100min talk.

What's the per minute cost if you go over?


I think it's 10 cents a minute.
 
2012-02-24 12:30:11 PM  
Many defectors went to others either to run away from AT&T, or just wanted to speed up the transition.
It was not just because the iPhone is only sold to others.

/coworker is so jealous of my Amaze
//coworker has iPhone 4s
 
2012-02-24 12:30:31 PM  

pxlboy: BarleyGnome: I think that T-Mobile not offering the iPhone is a selling point.. Far less douchebags hogging bandwidth.

The Galaxy II s rocks! Friends with iPhone are jelly..

This. I heart my Cyanogen-modded S2


Ditto...my rooted S2 is fantastic. Actually faster, larger screen, better battery life and more I can do for free than one of my good buddies with the new iPhone. I know it's personal preference but with experience as an owner of both an iPad and Android phone, if you care at all about customization I think Android blows the iPhone out of the water. But that's only speaking as a guy who hates being told by Apple what he can and can't do.
 
2012-02-24 12:30:45 PM  

Archimedes' Principal: PizzaJedi81: Archimedes' Principal: How do they know it was just the lack of iPhone that caused the loss. Could very well have been that the potential AT&T merger soured people to T-Mobile. I waited until I knew the merger was dead before I replaced my T-Mobile phone with a new version.

/ $30 per month no contract; 5Gb of 4G ; unlimited text; 100min talk.

What's the per minute cost if you go over?

10 cents per minute for call time overage. Everything else unlimited. Can only be done online through T-Mobile.com or at a Walmart.

It's one of their 4G plans Here's the link (new window)


Hm. I might be willing to shell out $50/month for the next plan up. I've always liked the idea of T-Mobile, but haven't been in a place that got service, until recently.
 
2012-02-24 12:31:32 PM  

Archimedes' Principal: $30 per month no contract; 5Gb of 4G ; unlimited text; 100min talk.


I am rocking that plan with an unlocked GSM Galaxy Nexus...couldn't be finer!
 
2012-02-24 12:36:29 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Because people rush like lemmings into the flavor of the day?


Yes, that's why Android phone makers bring out a new model every couple of weeks.
 
2012-02-24 12:48:50 PM  

bsharitt: Most of the people I know that left T-mobile last year did so due to the then pending buyout from AT&T mostly heading to Sprint(even pre-iPhone) or some sort of prepaid.


Yea, I was going to bail and then the merger fell through so I renewed for a Galaxy S2. Love this phone just haven't had any time to sit and mess with it since work is running me into the ground.

Anyone know a good program that lets me add notes and dates on my laptop then sync it to my phone? I've sorta looked but I'm usually so tired when I get home all I can do is have a beer then go to bed.
 
2012-02-24 12:50:15 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Archimedes' Principal: PizzaJedi81: Archimedes' Principal: How do they know it was just the lack of iPhone that caused the loss. Could very well have been that the potential AT&T merger soured people to T-Mobile. I waited until I knew the merger was dead before I replaced my T-Mobile phone with a new version.

/ $30 per month no contract; 5Gb of 4G ; unlimited text; 100min talk.

What's the per minute cost if you go over?

10 cents per minute for call time overage. Everything else unlimited. Can only be done online through T-Mobile.com or at a Walmart.

It's one of their 4G plans Here's the link (new window)

Hm. I might be willing to shell out $50/month for the next plan up. I've always liked the idea of T-Mobile, but haven't been in a place that got service, until recently.


The $60 plan is probably better if you actually use data since it gets throttled at 2GB instead of the 100MB of the $50 plan. That's probably their best plan. It's what my wife will be on if the $45 unlimited Straight Talk thing doesn't work out.
 
2012-02-24 12:51:15 PM  
DesireZ/G2 user and reasonably happy. Keep your iphone and overpriced carriers.
 
2012-02-24 12:53:12 PM  
I still use a blackberry. Can someone please be my friend?
 
2012-02-24 12:55:24 PM  

alwaysjaded: Anyone know a good program that lets me add notes and dates on my laptop then sync it to my phone? I've sorta looked but I'm usually so tired when I get home all I can do is have a beer then go to bed.


I've been using Evernote for years. Synch data between IOS, Android, PC, MAC etc.
 
2012-02-24 01:17:57 PM  

valar_morghulis: I still use a blackberry. Can someone please be my friend?


T-Mobile prepaid Blackberry service (new window)
 
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